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The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 11 April 2019 [1].

Hurricane Connie

Nominator(s): ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Hurricane Connie, which was part of the busy 1955 Atlantic hurricane season (already a good topic). Connie caused flooding in the United States that was exasperated by Hurricane Diane (a featured article) just four days later. Connie was a fairly routine landfalling hurricane, although it caused a notable shipwreck, and its impacts extended into Michigan and Ontario, unusual for a storm hitting North Carolina. I first got the article to GA status in 2013. I've been working on it over the past few days, and I'm proud of the work in the article. I believe it is the most comprehensive source of information for Connie available anywhere, and I believe the prose and variety of sources warrants its consideration for becoming a featured article.

BTW, hopefully another user will get another hurricane from this season featured, so we'll be one article away from a featured topic. Also, this is a WikiCup nomination. Happy reading! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources review

Retrieval dates need to be in consistent format

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 3: The name of the paper is "Free Lance-Star" not "Free-Lance Star"

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 4: Check name of newspaper, which appears to be different from that given

Ref 4 isn't to a newspaper, it's to a United States Weather Service report. That's why I use Cite book. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 7: The source is given as a newspaper, The Robesonian, but the actual source is a website, "GenDisasters.com". Compare with Ref 9.

You're right it's a website. I would argue "GenDisasters.com" should be in the at= value of the reference. The site is merely reporting the contents of a news article by The Robesonian.

Ref 12: link goes to a different article, entitled "Evacuees from Hurricane Connie Spilled Into Sea"

Fixed link. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 13: I can't locate the stated source article in the newspaper link

Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 14: The New York Times needs italicisation. You should also add a subscription template

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 15: Where do the publisher and date details come from? They are not evident from the source.

The home page for ref 15 is the Weather Prediction Center. Here is the main page for the Tropical cyclone rainfall page. You can see David Roth's name on there. If you go to the file name, you can find the creation date for the image. It was updated from when I originally wrote the article, so I updated the date of when the page was made last updated. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 18: Does not link to the stated source article. It links to the same article as ref 12 - see above

The beginning of ref 18 has the title and everything, but the information that is in the article is where the newspaper is linked to for ref 18. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 21: The headline of the source article is given incorrectly

Eek, fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 23: Returns "website unavailable" - presumably this is due to some regional factor

I'm not sure. It works fine for me, but it does have a popup suggesting that I support journalism. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise the sources appear to be in good order and of the appropriate standards of quality and reliability. Brianboulton (talk) 19:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review User:Brianboulton. Please let me know if I have sufficiently addressed your concerns. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All concerns addressed. Brianboulton (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Connie1955HATradar.png: source link is dead

For the US rainfall map, suggest specifying in the caption northeast US. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:16, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the image caption as suggested, and I updated the link to the image in the infobox. Thanks for reviewing User:Nikkimaria! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:52, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Review from Hurricane Noah

I will be doing this review in chunks as I will not have enough time to do it all now. Noah^Talk 16:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I now support Hurricane Connie becoming a FA. Noah^Talk 23:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

There is a page for the Eastern United States. Probably should just link to it.

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is a well-developed hurricane? There is no context for this.

Simplified wording and removed "well-developed". ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Connie first posed a threat to the Lesser Antilles, and the storm ultimately passed about 105 mi (165 km) north of the Lesser Antilles." I would avoid mentioning Lesser Antilles twice in the same sentence. Also, you could change ",and the storm ultimately passed" to 'ultimately passing'

Removed duplicate wording and changed as suggested. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"In the United States Virgin Islands, three people died due to the hurricane, and a few homes were destroyed." Is there a specific cause for these deaths? Winds, flooding, rip currents, etc?

It's listed in the impact section. I didn't think it was worth mentioning in the lede. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Okay... Noah^Talk 23:18, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link Puerto Rico

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"After affecting Puerto Rico, Connie turned to the northwest, reaching peak winds of 140 mph (220 km/h)." Probably should mention the pressure here as well. It wouldn't hurt to link maximum sustained winds.

After affecting Puerto Rico, Connie reached maximum sustained winds of 140 mph (220 km/h), and a barometric pressure of 944 mbar (27.9 inHg), as observed by the Hurricane Hunters on August 7. - better? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes... much Noah^Talk 23:19, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"striking North Carolina on August 12 as Category 2 on the Saffir-Simpson scale." add an 'a' before Category

OK. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link tropical cyclone

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The storm moved through the Chesapeake Bay region and progressed inland, dissipating on August 15 over Lake Huron when it was absorbed by a cold front." Could be reworded to "The storm progressed inland after moving through the Chesapeake Bay region, and was later absorbed by a cold front over Lake Huron on August 15".

Good wording. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link Washington, D.C.

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

De-link the second mention of Chesapeake Bay

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link Pennsylvania and New Jersey
Link New York

Done all three. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The rains from Connie contributed to flooding from Hurricane Diane that caused $700 million in damage" Change to ', which'

I don't think that's correct. You would use "which" if there was comma, but there isn't one here. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link Ontario

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Meteorological history

"The depression moved quickly west-northwestward and quickly intensified into Tropical Storm Connie." I don't like seeing quickly twice in the same sentence. I would recommend using a synonym for one.

Removed one. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Observations from the flight, as well as nearby ship report, suggested that Connie attained hurricane status on August 4." Would recommend changing the first bolded part to 'a report from a nearby ship'. Probably should be 'suggest'.

Removed "report" and made it "a nearby ship" ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The hurricane continued to intensify as it approached the northern Lesser Antilles. On August 6, Connie passed about 105 mi (165 km) north of the Lesser Antilles." combine these.

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"(944 mbar (27.9 inHg) is there a reason for rounding here?

I used the converting template. I wrote it out manually so it would be the same as the infobox. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You mention Saffir-Simpson scale too many times. You only need to state the scale once and simply refer to the system as Cat X afterwards

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"southeast United States coast" I would change this to "southeastern coast of the United States"

That's two extra words. Do I need to change it? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it's fine. Noah^Talk 23:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Link Virginia

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"steered by strengthening upper-level trough and low" Add an 'a'

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comma after Pennsylvania

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Kaiser matias

I'm totally unfamiliar with anything hurricane-related, but I'll give it a look over:

"...striking North Carolina on August 12 as Category 2 on the Saffir-Simpson scale." Should that be "a Category 2," with a definite article? I see it used later in the article, so want to know what is the proper way to go, definite article or not.

Thanks, someone above mentioned the same thing. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Considering there is a list of fatalities per region, would it make sense to include a total in the lead somewhere?

As a result of its impacts, including a death toll of 74, the name Connie was retired from the Atlantic hurricane naming list. - I added this to the lede. Does that work? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"About 14,000 people evacuated in southeastern North Carolina." Was this the only evacuations? If not, I'd add just a brief blurb about others: "About 14,000 people evacuated in southeastern North Carolina, while smaller numbers left..."

Probably not, and truth be told, that number was just from one newspaper, and we don't always know how many people leave, go visit relatives, whatnot. Therefore, I changed the 2nd lede paragraph's opening sentence to this: Ahead of the storm, the United States Weather Bureau issued widespread hurricane warnings, spurring evacuations, flight cancelations, and beach closures. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"A tropical wave developed into a tropical depression to the west of the Cape Verde islands on August 3..." I feel that the year should be added here, as its the first mention of a date in the body of the article.

OK. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Observations from the flight, as well as nearby ship report..." Should be "ship reports"?

I changed this to "a nearby ship." ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"...making Connie a Category 4 hurricane on the Saffir–Simpson scale." As the scale was named in the preceding paragraph, I don't think it needs to be said again here.

Hah, that's the third comment that Hurricane Noah said above. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"While Connie was meandering in the western Atlantic Ocean, its potential track posed problems for forecasters." Is there any particular reason it posed a problem? It sounds like they didn't know where it would go, but is there any reason why they couldn't make a guess?

That's partly true. The difficulty was in the slow movement right near the coast. Forecasts have advanced incredibly since 1955, but at the time, there were no supercomputers to tell the public where the storm would go.

Baltimore Sun should be in italics.

Thanks for catching that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Due to its destructive impacts, the name Connie was retired, and will never again be used for an Atlantic hurricane." This is repetitive wording, and can be simplified: "Due to its destructive impacts, the name Connie was retired as a name for Atlantic hurricanes."

I wanted to emphasize what it meant to be retired, which is why it was wordy. I changed it to: Due to its destructive impacts, the name Connie was retired from the Atlantic hurricane naming list. Does that work? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not a lot that I see to clean up, and I generally understood it, which is a good sign. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing User:Kaiser matias! I hope I addressed your concerns. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by 12george1

The only issue I have is that some states are lacking in details. I know you don't have access to Newspapers.com, so I'll help you out a bit here.

Preps: [2], [3], [4]
South Carolina: [5]
Virginia: [6], (Part 1), (Part 2)
Delaware: [7], [8]
New Jersey: [9], [10],[11], [12]
Pennsylvania: [13], [14], (Part 1), (Part 2)
New York: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20] - This is saying 14 deaths in New York
Aftermath: SBA loans
And here is a brief summary of impact in several states. Might be something useful in there.

All in all, this is a pretty good article, but I'll need to see a lot of this added before I can switch to support.--12george1 (talk) 04:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm done with that User:12george1! Nothing new in News Journal, added from other two sources. Added SC, Delaware, and New Jersey. I didn't add the Virginia reference - I felt it premature, considering Diane's damage a few days later. I finished adding all of these refs though, thanks for clipping them all! I didn't know about the 14 deaths in New York, I also thank you for that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like these Newspapers.com clippings have been added where appropriate. Therefore, I am going to support this nomination.--12george1 (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. --Laser brain (talk) 19:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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