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Albert Stanley, 1st Baron Ashfield

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Nominator(s): DavidCane (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Working class boy to Peer of the Realm. Born in Derbyshire, young Albert emigrated to America with his family when he was six. Starting as an office boy at 14, Stanley was running Detroit's tramway system at 20. Briefly a sailor in the Spanish–American War and President of the Board of Trade in World War I, Stanley was an exceptional manager. From 1910 to 1947 he ran the London Underground and then London Transport through its "Golden Era". DavidCane (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When the previous nomination was closed, there was an outstanding issue raised by Jappalang regarding one of the images. I contacted the Press Association on 28 October asking if they held copyright in the image or had details of the author. I have had no response to date. --DavidCane (talk) 01:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - concerns have been adequately addressed. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC) Comments[reply]

  • "His father worked as a coachbuilder for the Pullman Company, and, in 1880, the family emigrated to Detroit in the United States where he worked at the main factory"; "he became general manager of the whole corporation running a network of almost 1,000 route miles and 25,000 employees"; "Stanley and Pick reactivated their expansion plans and one of the most significant periods in the organisation's history began, subsequently considered to be its heyday and sometimes called its "Golden Age""; "The Central London Railway was extended to Ealing Broadway in 1920, the Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway was extended to Hendon in 1923 and to Edgware in 1924"; "In addition, a programme of modernising many of the Underground's busiest central London stations was started; providing them with escalators to replace lifts"; "Stanley was a director of the Midland Bank, Amalgamated Anthracite Collieries and chairman of Albany Ward Theatres, Associated Provincial Picture Houses, and Provincial Cinematograph Theatres" - prose needs tweaking
  • What is a "funk"? "LT"?
    • "Funk" is an archaic term for someone who shrinks away from a task in a cowardly manner: It's a transformative noun formed from the verb to funk.
    • "LT" is London Transport - a general term for the LPTB and its similarly named successors.--DavidCane (talk) 23:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:HYPHEN and WP:OVERLINK
  • LPTB or LTPB?
  • If you're going to start referring to him as "Ashfield" after the point that he was created baron, you should do so consistently and not switch back and forth
  • Ref 18: check page number
  • A spotcheck of sources found no plagiarism or close paraphrasing
  • Bridges: retrieval date?
  • Stringham: publisher?

Nikkimaria (talk) 13:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Images File:Lord_Stanley_by_Hugh_Cecil.jpg has a date inconsistent with the source, the images is free in the UK, having an unknown author and over seventy years of age and should be tagged accordingly, assuming that is corrected WP:FA Criteria 3 met Fasach Nua (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Jappalang uploaded the image for me. The London Transport Museum data is sometimes incomplete or wrong. There's another version on the site, where the proper attribution is given to Hugh Cecil (here). Cecil died in 1974 so the image is still copyright in the UK, but Jappalang was able to find that the photograph had been published in the USA prior to 1923 so it is in the public domain there. See the image concerns section of the second FAC for the full details.--DavidCane (talk) 23:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further sources query: I notice that the links on Times references 16, 23, 26 and 45 all go to a logon page restricted to registered users. This should be noted (either (subscription required) if you have to pay or (registration required) if you don't. Brianboulton (talk) 21:40, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I have added subscription required, although this is commonly free via a library membership.--DavidCane (talk) 12:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, but commonly free in how many countries? I know I could use access to the Times archives. Waltham, The Duke of 12:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Your Grace, it is commonly free through a UK library - those listed in the table under "Times" here. It is also possibly available to those in UK higher education through an Athens account and may be accessible elsewhere as the service is branded as part of Cengage Learning.--DavidCane (talk) 12:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DAB/EL Check - no dabs, no external link problems (aside from the aforementioned subscriptions). --PresN 23:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support nothing jumped out at me as a prose fix. I suppose I am curious as to what he died of but if it ain't in a source, nevermind. i was tempted to tack the last sentence in the Early life and career in United States section onto the previous para but again, doen't fit there either. Any other details on later relationships with children or wife? They might help buff the sentence a bit but are not essential. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Apart from a couple of mentions of Lady Ashfield and his daughters in society lists in conjunction with him, there's nothing about his family that I could find. I wasn't even able to ascertain for certain when his daughters were born or if in Britain or America. There's a picture of his wife at the unveiling of his memorial in 1950 here. I don't remember seeing a mention of what he died of, but I did read a quote from someone's diary that he suffered from Asthma and seldom slept for a full night. I'll see if I can find something.--DavidCane (talk) 23:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, I reckon given as this is the second bite of the apple, you've probably scoured sources and stared at them until square-eyed, so I figure the data ain't gonna be found. don't sweat it, if it turns up it's a bonus - nice work :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Neither his ODNB entry or his obit or any of the book sources mention the cause of death, so it probably wasn't anything "interesting". I did find some more stuff about his wife and family through some cross referencing of the times court and social sections and genealogical databases. I have added birth and death years for Lady Ashfield and birth years for his daughters. I have also tracked the marriages and children of each of the daughters (Marian: 4 marriages, 4 divorces and 4 children. Grace: 2 marriages, 1 divorce and 3 children), but don't think this information is really necessary for the article - plus it would be need more than a dozen citations to do it properly. Oh, and Grace's first husband was Marion's last!--DavidCane (talk) 02:45, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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