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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 14 May 2021 [1].

2021 Masters (snooker)

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Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the latest Masters championship from January this year. 20 year old Yan Bingtao won the event on his debut appearance. The Masters invites the 16 best snooker players in the world for a single-elimination bracket. I've spent a bit of time on this article, and gone through GAN earlier this year. Let me know what you think of the article. :) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Kickstarting this FAC with an assessment of its images:

Might come back with more later. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:00, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll put something on there (pictured) to show who is who. I don't feel that moving items to the left arbitrarily makes the article easier to read, personally. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, MOS:IMAGELOCATION says It is often preferable to place images of people so that they "look" toward the text. On another note, the caption for the Ronnie O'Sullivan picture still is ambiguous since two people are shown within it. You can use "(left)" and "(right)" to distinguish them from one another. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but that also says that they should mostly be on the right. As much as having all of the images look at the text, I don't think this is particularly warranted; although happy to discuss. I have fixed the O'Sullivan image Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:54, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from BennyOnTheLoose

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I may claim WikiCup points, if I consider my review to be substantial enough. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Gog the Mild I'm happy that the article is a suitable length, with an appropriate range of sources, is well-structured, comprehensive, well-researched, neutral and stable. I would like a view on the "subsidiary of" issue from others, and have a few more points, none fundamental. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:28, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead: slight tweaking needed for "organised the tournament and was broadcast by the"
  • Lead: "won the match 10–8 to win" - suggest changing either "won" or "win".
  • Overview: "Barry Hawkins, second reserve also" - I think either "second reserve Barry Hawkins also" or add a comma for "Barry Hawkins, second reserve, also"
  • Overview: (optional) "Initially, the Masters" to ""Initially, the 2021 Masters" as we were mentioning the 1975 event just a paragraph ago.
  • Overview: "organised the event sponsored for the first time by sports betting company" - maybe something like "organised the event which was sponsored for the first time by sports betting company" just to make it very clear that it was the tournament and not the WPBSA that was sponsored, which I believe is the statement being made.
  • First round - not sure about MOS - should it be "Gary Wilson" and "Kyren Wilson", or "Gary" and "Kyren"?
  • First round: "David Gilbert had been drawn against the world number one, Judd Trump; however, he had been replaced by Joe Perry" - is "Trump had been replaced" better?
  • Final: "Higgins had not appeared in the final of the event since he last won the 2006 Masters." reads to me like he won the 2006 event more than once. Maybe something like "Higgins had not appeared in the final of the event since he last won the Masters in 2006."?
  • Final: "At age 20 years, 11 months" doesn't quite read right to me.
  • Century breaks: consider replacing one instance of "made" in "made during the tournament, the highest was a 145 made"
    • Hi BennyOnTheLoose, I have made the suggested changes, all seems like suitable wording changes. My only issue is the Gary/Kyren wording, which I read both ways, as in the MOS I linked says that you should use both "Gary" and "Gary Wilson". Happy to fix up if there is a suitable way to deal with this, but it's a bit more difficult as they aren't related. This would be great to know, as they also played at the World's article I'm working on now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:20, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Willbb234

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As promised.

Looks good. Please let me know if you have any questions. Kind regards, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 20:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • No problem. Willbb234, thanks for the review. You aren't wrong, it's mostly people putting links into the prose and me not catching they have first names as well. I have answered all of the above. I think the only thing I didn't implement is the "bookmaker" suggestion, which if you have alternate wording I'm sure we could deal with. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Epicgenius

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Forthcoming, reserving a spot here. Epicgenius (talk) 00:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate, I know it's only been three days, just wanted to check this one hadn't slipped your mind. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski: Sorry about that. It did indeed slip my mind, since I recently had a midterm, but since I'm done with that now, I can take a look in a bit. Epicgenius (talk) 14:15, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • Two players, world number one Judd Trump and Jack Lisowski, withdrew from the event after testing positive for COVID-19. - I think COVID-19 could be linked, at least for the future when that isn't as widely known.
Sure, but there is a link just above this for the pandemic in the UK. Happy to add, but I'd rather we linked it the other way around -> COVID-19 -> Pandemic. If we linked COVID below, it's almost as if we had already defined it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I didn't see that. Whoops. Epicgenius (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • (also referred to as the 2021 Betfred Masters for sponsorship purposes) ... The event was sponsored by sports betting company Betfred. - I suggest moving these closer to each other.
The top bit is WP:LEADALT, we could omit the "due to sponsorship", if you wanted but we should list official names in the lede. Having the sponsor higher in the lede would give it too much WP:WEIGHT in my opinion Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. I guess the current wording works in that case.
  • Yan completed a 10–8 victory to win his first Triple Crown tournament. - For some reason, it seems redundant to say "completed a ... victory".
The alternative is Yan won 10-8 to win... Which isn't better. "Completed a victory" is better wording, but if you have anything better let me know. I always assumed it was a WP:LIMITED dealio. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. I'm going to leave this alone for now. I would consider something such as "Yan won his first Triple Crown tournament with a 10-8 victory". Epicgenius (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Overview

  • However, the event was moved to the Marshall Arena in Milton Keynes, and played without spectators, to comply with stricter regulations against COVID-19 - Out of interest, how long before the actual event was it relocated?
  • As defending champion Bingham was seeded first,[15] with the next seven players in the world rankings seeded and allocated fixed positions in the draw, where they met the remaining eight participants who were drawn randomly.[16] - I think you can just remove "as", because otherwise, the sentence reads like a run-on.
Hm, I was clarifying that because he was defending champion, he was seeded first (which is how it works). It used to be that the world champion would be seeded second, and then the world rankings, but that changed a few years back (O'Sullivan is second in the world, seeded third but is the world champion). I have split this into two sentences to avoid run-on. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs)
That works for me. Epicgenius (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • which was sponsored for the first time by sports betting company Betfred, who replaced previous sponsors Dafabet - this is definitely a run-on clause, but you can change the semicolon immediately before this (after "organised the event") to a comma.
No problem. Done. I'm not a punctuation wizard I'm afraid. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First round

Quarter-finals

  • Murphy won the first two frames before Bingham won the next two with a break of 133 recovering from 0–58 points behind - Not a content issue but that is pretty impressive.
  • Yan Bingtao playing in his first Masters event - Should this be mentioned in the First round section? Or is it more relevant in this section?
  • O'Sullivan won the opening frame with a break of 97, but Higgins responded with a 110 and 145—the highest of the tournament – to lead 3–1 - There is an unspaced m-dash (—) in the beginning and a spaced n-dash ( – ) in the end. It should be consistent.
  • whilst O'Sullivan backed Higgins to win the tournament after this performance - To me, it seems like "whilst" being repeated in consecutive sentences is somewhat awkward. Maybe an alternative like "though" would work

Semi-finals

  • No issues here.

Final

  • Higgins had not appeared in the final of the event since he last won the Masters in 2006.[60] Yan Bingtao was appearing in his first Triple Crown final. - Would this be better as one sentence, or is it more appropriate keeping it as two sentences?
  • since O'Sullivan, twenty-six years earlier, in 1995, - If you write this as "since O'Sullivan in 1995, twenty-six years earlier," you can eliminate the first comma.

@Lee Vilenski: That's it for prose. It looks pretty good to me, and it seems at the level of quality for an FA. On a related note, I was pretty surprised to hear Yan won the Masters at his age, on his debut. Epicgenius (talk) 22:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's a BIG deal! He's unlike the other Chinese players, who are very attacking players, he's much more of a tactician. It looks more and more likely he'll be the first Chinese world champion, but he lost to Murphy at the worlds this year. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now I'm actually interested to see where his career path takes him, since Yan is only a little bit younger than me. I'm happy to support this nomination. I will note that I am claiming the above review for WikiCup points. Epicgenius (talk) 14:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll make sure to keep you up to date. ;). He also won the World Cup (snooker) aged 15! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from TRM

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That's all I have. Whoever did the GA review did a remarkable job... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: - I've got a series of supports, but awaiting a source review. Any issues with opening a fresh nomination? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but not until it passes a source review. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to launch your next one. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Amakuru - Passed

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Reliability of sources and general queries: Sourcing mostly looks good at a high level. A few questions on specific sources:

  • Ref 3 says "World Snooker", while Ref 7 says "World Snooker Tour". Are they the same thing?
    • They... Are. It's confusing, because "World Snooker" is now the "World Snooker Tour", but the tour that they run is also called the "World Snooker Tour". For consistency, we use "World Snooker". I've made the change Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Snooker Scene" - does this have an ISSN number and does the issue in question have any volume numbers etc? (I have found 0269-0756 as a potential ISSN)
  • SnookerHQ - are we sure this is a reliable source? The articles look well-written, but from [2] it looks like all of them are written by one individual, and I'm wondering if it's actually a self-published source.
  • "livescores.worldsnookerdata.com" - this site claims to be an official site of World Snooker, but I can't see it linked from their other site wst.tv. In any case, if it's World Snooker then let's mark it as such.
  • livesnooker.com - where does this derive its reliability from?
  • snooker.org - ditto

Otherwise all look good. I'll look at individual formatting and spot checks after we've discussed the above. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:19, 9 May 2021 (UTC) Spot checks (numbers pertain to this version):[reply]

  • 7 and 8 - check out, although I did have to think a bit to interpret this one, since neither source directly mentions "rankings". I'll take it as inferred that the "seeding cut off point" means the rankings as of that date though.
  • 14 - checks out.
  • 18 - mostly checks out, although the bit about the final being played over two sessions doesn't seem to be there.
  • 26 - all there, other than the specific fact that Wilson was ranked 19 (the source says he was "on the cusp of the top 16")
  • 31 - this is the identical source to 26, so should be merged. Checks out for this fact.
    • The link is the same, the archive is not. The infuriating thing about sports reporting is that they now quite commonly don't change pages to report on things, they usurp their own content. That's why sometimes there are different titles to the ones that are in the article themselves Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 39 - checks out.
  • 47 - checks out for sentences a, b and c
  • 54 - checks out.
  • 61 - checks out.
  • 70 - checks out.
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