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Königsberg class cruisers (1915)

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  Königsberg class cruisers
5 articles
 
  SMS Königsberg (1915)
  SMS Karlsruhe (1916)
  SMS Emden (1916)
  SMS Nürnberg (1916)

Another class of light cruisers, these four ships were the second to last class of cruisers built by the German navy before the end of World War I. Due to their late completion, they had relatively short service careers, though they did see some action during Operation Albion and the Second Battle of Heligoland Bight in 1917. Parsecboy (talk) 00:36, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Group 12 elements

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  Group 12 elements
5 articles
 
  Zinc
  Cadmium
  Mercury
  Copernicium
Contributor(s): mav, Stone, Nergaal, Double sharp, R8R Gtrs, Materialscientist, WP Elements

I feel this topic meets the good topic criteria as it is very comprehensive and its articles are all of high quality. Also, this topic would be the second GT for WikiProject Elements. Double sharp (talk) 02:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]



Kolberg class cruisers

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  SMS Kolberg
  SMS Cöln (1909)
  SMS Mainz
  SMS Augsburg

Another class of German light cruisers, all saw significant action during WWI, including two that were sunk at the Battle of Heligoland Bight in the first weeks of the war. This is another component of this topic, which will hopefully complete a Cruisers of Germany topic that combines the armored cruisers, heavy cruisers, and the protected cruisers. Parsecboy (talk) 13:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy cruisers of Germany

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  Heavy cruisers of Germany
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  Deutschland-class cruiser
  Deutschland
  Admiral Scheer
  Admiral Graf Spee
  D class cruiser
  P class cruiser
  Admiral Hipper-class cruiser
  Admiral Hipper
  Blücher
  Prinz Eugen
  Seydlitz
  Lützow

Another class of German warships is complete, at least as far as a GT is concerned. This one has legs for an eventual upgrade to FT, but the articles are pretty far down on the FAC queue (I'm only halfway to finishing the original project, and I don't exactly have the free time to run FACs every month). In any case, this topic includes the Deutschland class ships, which were originally classified as panzerschiffe (armored ships) and commonly called "pocket battleships", but were actually just over-armed heavy cruisers, something the Germans themselves realized in 1940, when they reclassified the remaining two ships as heavy cruisers. There were two designs for follow-on panzerschiffe, neither of which were completed, and the five Admiral Hippers, two of which were originally ordered as light cruisers. Those two ships were reordered as heavy cruisers, but were never completed. The last ship, Lützow was sold to the USSR and actually fired on advancing German troops during Barbarossa. Parsecboy (talk) 11:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - However, perhaps the current Admiral Hipper topic could just be included as a subtopic (as seen here) rather than being merged in and dropped. I'd support either way as it still represents the same scope. GRAPPLE X 18:39, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My bad then, must have been some other topic I was thinking of. I just might do a general search for articles citing that book and post the result at WP:SHIP.Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of the other topic is done, will promote in the next day or two. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 05:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Music of the Sun

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  Music of the Sun
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  "Pon de Replay"
  "If It's Lovin' that You Want"
Contributor(s): Calvin999

I believe that all three article meet the criteria to become a Good Topic. They aren't huge but they cover all aspects that is available. Everything is properly sourced. --Aaron • You Da One 13:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


  • Honestly, I don't think the concert tour can become a GA any time soon - besides, what most directly pertains to an album topic is the album and its singles, not the tour. For that reason, I support this nomination. Toa Nidhiki05 01:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "Pon de Replay" is 35 Kb while "If It's Lovin' that You Want" is 25 Kb. The former has a one-para lead while the latter has a two-paras lead. That needs to be fixed right now. Plus, the former's lead is quite dry (if I may say so).
    Both have been copy-edited and are of the same length now. Aaron • You Da One

How does this relate to both songs?

Prior to signing a record deal with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna was discovered in her home country of Barbados by American record producer Evan Rogers.[3] The pair met in December 2003 through mutual friends of Rihanna's and Rogers wife, whilst the couple was on vacation in Barbados, because of how Rihanna's friend had told Rogers wife how the aspiring singer was always singing and performing.[3] After meeting for the first time, Rogers asked Rihanna and her two friends to come to his hotel room to audition for him, where she performed renditions of Destiny's Child's "Emotion" and Mariah Carey's "Hero".[3] Rogers was so impressed with Rihanna's renditions that it prompted him to fly the singer to New York, where she was accompanied by her mother, Monica, to record some demo tapes which could be sent to record labels.[2][3] Production of the demo tapes took about year, due to Rihanna only being able to record during school holidays.[2] At the age of 16, Rihanna was signed to Rogers and Carl Sturken's production company, Syndicated Rhythm Productions, where she was given her own lawyer and manager, before the complete demo tape was distributed to various record labels around the world in late 2004.[2] The first to respond to the demo tape was Jay-Z, who had recently been appointed as president and CEO of Def Jam Recordings, where Rihanna auditioned for him and music executive L.A. Reid, in his office.[2][4] Looking back on the audition and meeting Jay-Z, Rihanna explained during an interview how she felt before walking into the room, saying: "That's when I really got nervous ... I was like: 'Oh God, he's right there, I can't look, I can't look, I can't look!' I remember being extremely quiet. I was very shy. I was cold the entire time. I had butterflies. I'm sitting across from Jay-Z. Like, Jay-Zee. I was star-struck."[2]

If you give me a very good explanation, it will be okay. Bu I don't see how this information is related to the songs. In fact, this is just one example. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The references look good. That's all (for now). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am now satisfied with "If It's Lovin' that You Want". I will comment of PDR again. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Coming to PDR,

Prior to signing a record deal with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna was discovered in her home country of Barbados by American record producer Evan Rogers.[3] The pair met in December 2003 through mutual friends of Rihanna's and Rogers wife, whilst the couple was on vacation in Barbados, because of how Rihanna's friend had told Rogers wife how the aspiring singer was always singing and performing.[3] After meeting for the first time, Rogers asked Rihanna and her two friends to come to his hotel room to audition for him, where she performed renditions of Destiny's Child's "Emotion" and Mariah Carey's "Hero".[3] Rogers was so impressed with Rihanna's renditions that it prompted him to fly the singer to New York,

Why does the reader need to know about this? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not removing. It explains how they met and Rogers later wrote and produced Pon de Replay. Aaron • You Da One 14:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why do we need to know where she was discovered? Where they met? The year? Roger's wife? The couple was on vacation? Rihanna and her two friends to come to his hotel room? For an audition? Performed renditions of A, B, C, ... Z? Why? All that should be in the album and bio page only. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:25, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. That's what background info is. Aaron • You Da One 14:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Background about what? About how she was discovered? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He discovered her, she auditioned for him, he signed her to his production company, where he wrote and produced PdR for her, which became her debut single. Aaron • You Da One 14:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see where you are trying to get. Rogers was so impressed with Rihanna's renditions that it prompted him to fly the singer to New York, where she was accompanied by her mother, Monica, to record some demo tapes which could be sent to record labels.[2][3] Production of the demo tapes took about year, due to Rihanna only being able to record during school holidays.[2]- What does all that mean? Simple, this information is about how she was signed by a label, not about the song or any other song. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, production of the demo tapes which included Pon de Replay. Aaron • You Da One 14:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Write and make it clear then. And removed all the story about their meeting and socialization. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:37, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I propose this.

Prior to signing a record deal with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna was discovered in her home country of Barbados by American record producer Evan Rogers, who made the necessary arrangements for her to fly to New York, where she recorded some demo tapes to be sent to record labels.[2][3] At the age of 16, Rihanna was signed to Rogers and Carl Sturken's production company, Syndicated Rhythm Productions before the complete demo tape of "Pon de Replay" was distributed to various record labels in late 2004.[2] The first to respond to the demo tape was Jay-Z, who had recently been appointed as president and CEO of Def Jam Recordings, where Rihanna auditioned for him and music executive L.A. Reid, in his office.[2][4] Looking back on the audition and meeting Jay-Z, Rihanna explained during an interview how she felt before walking into the room, saying: "That's when I really got nervous ... I was like: 'Oh God, he's right there, I can't look, I can't look, I can't look!' I remember being extremely quiet. I was very shy. I was cold the entire time. I had butterflies. I'm sitting across from Jay-Z. Like, Jay-Zee. I was star-struck." During the audition, Rihanna performed Whitney Houston's cover of "For the Love of You", "Pon de Replay" and "The Last Time", the latter two of which would go on to be included on her debut album, Music of the Sun.[2] Initially, Jay-Z was skeptical about signing Rihanna, because he felt "Pon de Replay" was too big for her, saying "when a song is that big, it's hard [for a new artist] to come back from. I don't sign songs, I sign artists".[5]

I believe this is fine and most importantly, not fancrufty. But I have to ask something with respect to what is in bold. Was that song originally covered by Whitney Houston? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

<blocquote> During the audition, Rihanna performed Whitney Houston's cover of "For the Love of You", "Pon de Replay" and "The Last Time", the latter two of which would go on to be included on her debut album, Music of the Sun.[2] Initially, Jay-Z was skeptical about signing Rihanna, because he felt "Pon de Replay" was too big for her, saying "when a song is that big, it's hard [for a new artist] to come back from. I don't sign songs, I sign artists".[5] The audition resulted in Rihanna signing a six album record deal with Def Jam Recordings in February 2005, on the same day of the audition, with Jay-Z saying "There's only two ways out. Out the door after you sign this deal. Or through this window ...", meaning that he was not going to let her leave without signing a record deal.[2] After signing with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna canceled multiple other meetings with record labels and relocated herself from Barbados to New York to live with The Rogers.[6] </blocquote>

And this? Why all this in a song article? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Removed the bold text. Aaron • You Da One 14:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

:Now leaning to support Let me take a last look. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The image has to be changed to something from 2005-06, like this one. I agree with Jivesh about that background info. If you insist on keeping it, trim it down. It's good in "Pon de Replay", but it doesn't really make much sense to include it in "Lovin'". And I really don't think the Whitney picture adds anything to the song articles. She just sang one her songs. Big whoop. Plus, how important is her mother's name, Monica, here, and who cares what Rihanna thought to herself before entering a room? Pancake (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I have changed the GT box picture. I have removed the Background section from If It's Lovin' and re-worked the article a bit. The Whitney pictures stays; if a person is mentioned, the picture is allowed to be there. And I have removed Monica. Aaron • You Da One 13:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer if an extra comment or two, ideally from a non-music person, could take a look at the topic just so we can get a clear consensus one way or the other. Right now I don't feel comfortable promoting or not promoting it. I'll try to find someone if no one else comments in a couple days. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - It does seem that information on the tour is pretty thin, but I'd be more comfortable with excluding it from the topic if there was some evidence that editors have searched thoroughly. At the moment, there has been no discussion of the article on the talk page, and only one person commented on the peer review. Parsecboy (talk) 12:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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