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Category:Internet service providers India --> Category:Internet service providers in India

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The result of the debate was relisting under umbrella for the in/of debate. Syrthiss 20:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC) http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_17#Internet_providers_standardization[reply]

Ian3055 10:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved here from speedy after discussion. Vegaswikian 23:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Internet service providers UK --> Category:Internet service providers of the United Kingdom

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The result of the debate was relisting under umbrella for the in/of debate. Syrthiss 20:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC) http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_March_17#Internet_providers_standardization[reply]

Ian3055 21:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved here from speedy after discussion. Vegaswikian 23:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:British railway companies --> Category:Railway companies of Great Britain

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Railway companies of the United Kingdom. —akghetto talk 17:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ian3055 21:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved here from speedy after discussion. Vegaswikian 23:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Philosophical novels

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The result of the debate was no consensus to delete, perhaps restructure the criteria. Syrthiss 20:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly defined grab-bag of a "genre", whose scope is, and I quote in full, "Novels whose fictional structure is being used as a device to communicate ideas." Contents are a jumble of Rand (but of course), Dostoevsky and Pirsig. Not usefully usable. Alai 22:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move Heinlein out of the science fiction and into here just delete. Too vague - all novels are devices to communicate ideas. Grutness...wha? 03:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Grutness. Pavel Vozenilek 14:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Could be useful with a more discriminating definition. There is a tradition of using fiction to communicate philosophical ideas, which Sartre, Rand (like her or not), Voltaire, and perhaps Nietzsche and Plato (depending on how you want to read those two) engaged in. This also pretty much defines the 19th century Russian philosophical tradition. -Seth Mahoney 21:07, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, so to return to my semi-flippant comment, what would stop things like Stranger in a Strange Land from being in here? Or Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, for that matter? Grutness...wha? 00:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, if it matters to you, authorial intent could be used. To my knowledge, anyway, neither of your abovementioned works was envisioned as a philosophical novel by its writer, though they are philosophically rich and interesting. Sartre, on the contrary, certainly declared his intention to write Nausea as the great philosophical novel; likewise, his contemporary Camus. Of the other writers named hereinabove, I cannot definitively speak, except that Plato does not belong, as the application of the "novel" concept to his work is grossly anachronistic. Still my vote is below...
  • Keep but edit for stricter criteria. Xoloz 19:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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"Defense" companies to "Military" companies

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The result of the debate was oppose rename/keep all. —akghetto talk 17:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defense companies and its sub-categories are contained within Category:Military industry. There needs to be consistency in wording between these categories. In this regard, "military", and not "defense", is the macro-level term used the strong majority of the time for armed forces categories and articles on Wikipedia. For example, there are a series of military budget articles like Military budget of the United States, Military budget of the People's Republic of China, and Military budget of Canada. Moreover, armed forces by country articles and categories use the word "military", such as Military of India, Military of New Zealand, Military of North Korea, and Category:Military of France. Category:Defence companies of France for example is currently within Category:Military of France, a hierarchy that is also done with the defense company/military categories of other countries.

It is improper on Wikipedia that the companies that provide for and service what we have termed a "military" have been termed differently, as "defense" companies. As concluding evidence of this improper wording, Category:Defense companies describes itself as containg articles about companies involved in the production of things ranging from "military vehicles to naval vessels to military aircraft and satellites". Category:Defense companies is also described in Category:Firearms manufacturers as: "See category:Defence companies for companies which make other types of military equipment such military vehicles, naval vessels and military aircraft." "Military" and not "defense" is the most appropriate word to use in the following categories. I am proposing the following renamings:

--Kurieeto 14:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep. "Military company" is triply ambiguous, as it may refer to the type of infantry unit, to PMCs, or to the aerospace-defense industry. It is entirely consistent with common English usage to say "defence" or "defense" to refer to military security topics, well-illustrated by a Google search which returns 3,760,000 results for "defense industry" and 403,000 for "military industry." The main article for these businesses is appropriately defense contractor. - choster 14:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I now recognize the ambiguous problem re: infantry units, I hadn't thought of that. Substituing "corporations" or "businesses" for "companies" would address that however.
My concern is that the industry in question here has been termed the "military industry". Logically, the next hierarchical step as per other Wikipedia industry categories is to have a category for the companies of that industry. "X Industry" -> "X Companies", "X Corporations", or "X businesses". If the defense company categories remain for now, what category should we use to group all businesses involved in the military industry, defense and non-defense alike? Kurieeto 15:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I agree that constructions like "defence" and "Ministry of Defence" are euphemisms, but "military companies" really opens the door for ambiguity, since a 'company' is also a name for a military unit. Could we find another rewording that's less problematic? Ideas are "military corporations" and "military industry companies", neither of which I like, but might get the ball rolling on a rename. --Saforrest 21:28, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional contract killers to Category:Fictional assassins

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The result of the debate was rename/merge. —akghetto talk 17:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly identical, but close enough for a merge, I think.--Mike Selinker 13:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Northern Irish comedians

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The result of the debate was speedy delete G7. —akghetto talk 17:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Created by myself in error, already exist at Category:Northern Ireland comedians. Stu ’Bout ye! 13:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Extinct arthropods

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The result of the debate was delete. Syrthiss 19:58, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empty, and almost totally redundant given Category:Prehistoric arthropods


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Category:Programming to Category:Computer programming

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The result of the debate was rename. —akghetto talk 17:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Programming" does not always refer to computers! There is also television programming, mental programming, etc. Most if not all of the articles in here seem to refer to programming of the computer variety, however. Programming redirects to Computer programming. Lankiveil 12:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United States Army soldiers in Iraq to Category:Iraq War veterans

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Syrthiss 20:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

US Army soldiers in Iraq is too limiting and ignores other service members. In addition, all other veterans categories are by conflict, not branch of service. Nobunaga24 06:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


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Georgia categories

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The result of the debate was rename all as nominated. —akghetto talk 10:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hotels in Georgia to Category:Hotels in Georgia (U.S. state)
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Category:Images of Georgia to Category:Images of Georgia (U.S. state)
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Category:Prisons in Georgia to Category:Prisons in Georgia (U.S. state)
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Category:Shopping malls in Georgia to Category:Shopping malls in Georgia (U.S. state)
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Rename to avoid possible confusion with Georgia (country). - EurekaLott 05:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional immigrants to the United States

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The result of the debate was keep. —akghetto talk 17:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simply rediculous --- Lancini87 05:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scandinavian Canadians

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The result of the debate was delete. —akghetto talk 17:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

delete unnecessary duplication, and not being used as a supra-category page of the category pages Category:Swedish Canadians, Category:Norwegian Canadians, Category:Danish Canadians, etc. but has listed under it all people listed under these specific national/ethnic origin cats. i don t however see the need to have it as a supra-cat page even if properly used as such Mayumashu 02:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Bonapartes to Category:Bonaparte

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The result of the debate was rename. —akghetto talk 09:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The format "The Xs" for a family X is very nonstandard, and found nowhere else in Category:Families or Category:Royal families. The convention of just using the name "Bonaparte" by itself follows the pattern of Category:Habsburg, Category:Bernadotte, Category:Sobieski, Category:Beauharnais, etc., and the article Bonaparte itself. Saforrest 02:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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See "Category:American families" for similarily named categories. -- User:Docu
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