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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to eventually nominate it for FA. This article has already had a peer review and recently passed GA. I would appreciate suggestions on how to make it more comprehensive and how to improve the prose.
Thanks, Benny the mascot (talk) 19:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry this is taking me so long - will review in the next 24 hours. Sorry, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- No need to rush...I have other ways of keeping myself busy. :) Good luck on your FAC, by the way. Benny the mascot (talk) 03:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for being so understanding - this looks pretty good to me, so here are some mostly nit-picky suggestions for improvement.
- One thing that is sometimes hard to do is to provide context to the reader about things the author is familiar with. I am fairly familiar with the Chicago area, but was not that sure where Lisle was. A brief description would help (x miles west of the Loop / downtown Chicago) or a map with a dot would help too.
- Small mention of location added. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- I also was confused by mentions of the college, but no real resolution on what happened to it - it took me a little searching here, but I assume it is what is now known as Benedictine University in Lisle. The article mentions the university as the site of buildings The St. Procopius monks decided on March 12, 1900, to build a new college[20] on the site of present-day Benedictine University at the southwest corner of Maple and College Avenues.[12], and in terms of a scholarship at the academy, but I think it needs to explicitly say what happened to the college after the academy split. I realize that this article on the Academy, so it need not be a lot of detail, but some is needed.
- I added a footnote. Does that help? Benny the mascot (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The map is nice, but I am guessing the Census does not show buildings (only streets and water), so the source for those needs to be given explicitly - this will be checked at FAC.
- I've already provided sourcing on the Commons page. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The capitalization of College and Academy by themselves seems a bit odd, though it is done consistently as far as I can tell. The Wikipedia:MOS#Institutions says if it is the generic word (college, academy) by itself it should not be capitalized.
- I fixed the ones I could find. Let me know if I missed any. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- The lead just seems sparse to me - especially the second and third paragraphs. My rule of thumb is to make sure every header is in the lead somehow - are Demographics and the Christmas Drive there?
- I mentioned the Christmas Drive a little bit, but the Demographics section is already somewhat covered in the lead. ("Benet's average ACT test score has exceeded statewide and national averages, and more than 99 percent of students have gone on to college after graduation")
- The language is decent but I noticed a few rough spots reading - I will try and come back and point some more out soon, here is one to start
- Classes began on March 2, when Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street for four months. FOur months in one day? Wow that's concentrated teaching! Perhaps Classes began on March 2, and for the next four months Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street. would be better. I am also not sure students can be remedial - I thought classes were? Could be wrong
- Sentence replaced with a small revision regarding the usage of "remedial". Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- Classes began on March 2, when Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street for four months. FOur months in one day? Wow that's concentrated teaching! Perhaps Classes began on March 2, and for the next four months Rev. Procopius Neuzil taught two remedial high school students in two small rooms at 704 Allport Street. would be better. I am also not sure students can be remedial - I thought classes were? Could be wrong
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your feedback! Benny the mascot (talk) 01:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
- More from Ruhrfisch
I will try to point out language that needs work here, as well as any other issues that I notice
- Lead It was founded in 1887 as the all-boys St. Procopius College and Academy by Benedictine monks in Chicago, who also operated the St. Joseph Bohemian Orphanage, which along with St. Procopius later moved to Lisle, approximately 25 miles (40 km) west of Chicago.[6] Could this sentence be split into two? As it is now it is quite long and complex - I would start the new sentence after the word orphanage. Also could the year(s) for the move(s) to Lisle be added to provide context?
- Capitalization of college? The orphanage closed in 1956 to make room for St. Procopius Academy, which then separated from the College in 1957. (In Internet Explorer you can search for a word and it highlights all the matching terms in yellow - might be worth checking caps on college and academy this way)
- Tweak sentence Sacred Heart merged with St. Procopius Academy in 1967
on the St. Procopius campusto establish Benet Academy [on the St. Procopius campus]. - Also, any idea where the name "Benet" came from? a ha - here it says Benet is an English form of Benedict
- Unclear Benet's performing arts program stages multiple musicals ... I think it would be clearer to say Benet's performing arts program stages a musical annually... perhaps saying since when
- Need to be consistent on names - in the text it is "Reverend John Nepomucene Jaeger of the Order of St. Benedict..." but the image caption is just "Abbot Nepomucene Jaeger" (no John). I also wonder since St John of Nepomuk is not well known in the US, if a link would be in order?
- Suggested reoganization Reverend John Nepomucene Jaeger of the Order of St. Benedict was the pastor of the parish[.]
, which served approximately 16,000 to 20,000 parishioners. Chicago at that time had the largest Czech population of anyothercity in the world outside of Prague and Vienna. Roughly 50,000 Czech immigrants were served by the three Czech parishes of Chicago, which included [16,000 to 20,000 parishioners at] St. Procopius. - The source says they were teaching high school classes then, so I would clarify that in Only a two-year [high school] program was offered at the time; the college offered its first four-year high school program in 1904.[9]
- Might flow more smoothly as
The first Bohemian abbot in the United States,Abbot Jaeger[, the first Bohemian abbot in the United States,] founded a Bohemian monastic community in 1894... - What does better atmosphere mean? The college and academy continued to grow in Chicago; in 1896 the Abbey bought the 104-acre (42 ha) Morris Neff farm in Lisle to gain more space and a better atmosphere.[9] Cleaner air than in the city?
- Since I am assuming that the present Benedictine University still is on the site because they are the re-named St Procopius College, I think that needs to be made clearer in this: The St. Procopius monks decided on March 12, 1900, to build a new college[21] on the site of present-day Benedictine University at the southwest corner of Maple and College Avenues.[13]
- OK I am stopping the rough spots here. I think this would benefit from a copy edit before FAC. There are a few other things I noticed:
- What makes Remembering Lisle a reliable source? See WP:RS
- The alt text for the mascot should desribe it as a bird, not a redwing (there might be those who think of the Detroit Redwings or even Red Wing Shoes
Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 00:42, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your advice! I've fixed most of the issues you've brought up; I just need to get that copyedit completed. Benny the mascot (talk) 19:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
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edit- April Rose Haydock (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article presents a number of issues. Firstly, it was originally created by a connected contributor (Wickedmagpie is the same name as a production company, Wicked Magpie productions, who worked with the subject on a local Chicago TV show she apparently presented). Secondly, the article contains unverifiable information, most notably her last name "Haydock" (I can find nothing whatsoever that mentions this as her name). Third, the article subject fails WP:BIO. The article as it stood a few minutes ago was puffed up with bare URLs to websites with no mention of her, the link in the article to Fox Sports is dead and I can find no evidence of it existing online. The link that purports to be to Men's Health is archived, but Internet Archive keeps timing out... additionally, I'm pretty certain www.mh.co.za is not the official Men's Health domain. I'm not really sure what is going on here. She is a real person, but I'm not sure this article is presented with verifiable facts. Even if the Men's Health link was correct, the title seems to indicate it was written by the subject herself, making it a Primary source. My WP:BEFORE has turned up no reliable sources. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 18:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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No independent notability outside of as actor Christian Bale's wife. Does not meet WP:BIO. KyleJoantalk 05:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Christian_Bale#Personal_life: mentioned there; see nominator's rationale. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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Being rich by inheritance and formerly being a chairperson of Mars, Inc. does not make her notable. Significant sources are lacking for WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete the sourcing is a real challenge on this one as the family admits they have kept a low profile. I added those citations to the article, but I struggle to find more. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with the comment above. There does not appear to be enough RS citations to justify an article. Go4thProsper (talk) 21:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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Delete or Merge into Illinois House of Representatives and appropriate elections articles. Unlike other electoral districts in Illinois or sub-national electoral districts in other countries, I do not believe individual state legislative districts in Illinois meet the standards of WP:GNG.
These are not like sub-national ridings in the United Kingdom or Canada, counties in the United States, in which there are political groups organized around district geography. They are not like wards in Chicago in which there are longstanding cultural associations or institutions independent of electoral politics.
Unlike congressional districts in Illinois, they do not elect Democratic or Republican committee-persons to any partisan body nor is there a substantial body of independent coverage regarding even their demographic characteristics.
The districts themselves are rarely written about. The "Representative district history" sections are a history of apportionment of districts generally as evidenced by the fact that all of the articles have identical excerpts. The more modern coverage that does exist is secondary to gerrymandering allegations (and the subsequent lawsuits) or the description of an election. While a subject of an article does not need to be the main topic to be significant coverage, it does need to be more than trivial. TLDR: These districts are not notable due to a lack of substantial, independent coverage just because similar enough entities might be. Mpen320 (talk) 15:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages because the articles are of substantially similar substance as Illinois's 1st House of Representatives district.
- Illinois's 2nd House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 3rd House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 4th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 5th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 6th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 7th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 8th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 9th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 10th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 11th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 12th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Illinois's 13th House of Representatives district (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Comment
Unlike congressional districts in Illinois, they do not elect Democratic or Republican committee-persons to any partisan body
- do they not elect members to the Illinois House of Representatives (Democratic or Republican) in partisan elections? AusLondonder (talk) 16:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Clarification. I was referring to the respective State Central Committees of the major parties [2]. Those offices are elected/selected from congressional districts. It is just another way that those districts are covered that state legislative districts are not covered.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just because something isn't covered or has full articles doesn't disqualify it from an article. Other states have articles for every senate and legislature (or equivalent) district; just because Illinois does not (likely because many of them are small urban districts) doesn't mean we TNT every article that has been created, and it is undeniably partisan. Nate • (chatter) 16:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This is just pointing out other stuff exists on Wikipedia. I also acknowledge legislative districts in other states could very well meet WP:GNG. Your remark about small, urban districts, well these are all small, urban districts with no significant coverage or independent coverage. Also, I have no idea where you are getting that I am being partisan. It's an unfair allegation.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was referring to the districts, not your views. Nate • (chatter) 22:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Then I don't understand the criticism. This is the nomination procedure for multiple related pages.--Mpen320 (talk) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Not sure any of the reasons listed qualify this article for deletion. These electoral districts have been around for a long time and are historical. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 23:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reply. If they are so historically important, then why has no one been able to find any sort of independent, significant coverage of the districts? It exists for congressional districts. I could find a bunch of coverage on the creation/gerrymander of Illinois's 13th congressional district. I can find plenty of independent, significant coverage of Chicago wards such as Chicago's 11th ward (notably Ward by Ward by David K. Fremond. So why not these if they meet the barrier for significant, independent coverage? The fact that most districts have been around since no earlier than the Cutback Amendment in the early 1980s, is not in of its self meet WP:GNG. It is a classic case of existence does not mean notability.
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- Keep: None of the reasons given for deletion/merge are correct. These districts are used for election to the state House and the elections are partisan - see Board of Elections. The members of the sate House are shown as representing these districts - see General Assembly. These districts are exactly the same as constituencies/electoral districts for other sub-national legislatures - UK nations, Canadian provinces, Australian states, Indian states and other US states - all of whom have articles on Wikipedia. Obi2canibe (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page
2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject
3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)
4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject
All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet. WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [3], [4], [5]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [6], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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