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November 2021

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Düsseldorf Airport or you will be block from editing. Please be aware that Egyptair Cargo don't have any flights from Cairo to Dusseldorf ([1] click this link and download as PDF if you won't agree), and also please be advised that your edits will be removed it. Thank you! Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 06:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Very challenging, to prove ongoing cargo flights, you're even working with.... Cargo schedule and cargo network map on EgyptAir Cargo's website are outdated. The very last update is from April last year. Flights to Cologne/Bonn have been cancelled in August as said even in the reference given:

"Zum 01. August 2021 stellte EgyptAir Cargo die Flüge nach Köln ein und fliegt seitdem nach Düsseldorf und Ostende in Belgien."

Translation: "EgyptAir Cargo has been ceased flights to Cologne from August 1st 2021, and is flying to Düsseldorf and Ostend in Belgium ever since."

Source: https://spotter.koeln/index.php/cgn/ehemalige-airlines-am-koeln-bonn-airport/egypt-air-cargo

There have been no flights to Cologne/Bonn since August this year. Instead EgyptAir Cargo is flying to Düsseldorf on wednesdays since August 9th 2021, and sundays from November 7th 2021. As said in this blog and referred in FREIGHT.AERO schedule iteration: screenshot (imgur)

You can even see the plane every wednesday on the webcam sitting on the apron: screenshot (imgur)

These are the flights operated in October 2021: screenshots (imgur)

The planes have been physically at Düsseldorf - not in Cologne/Bonn: Planepictures.net

Maybe someone will take the time to check references.... Zyrrrrrr (talk) 09:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

The one that you provided a source is not a reliable source in my perspective. Egyptair Cargo would still continue to fly to Cologne/Bonn but it suspended and diverted to Dusseldorf as for temporary. As for the schedules provided or from the Egyptair Cargo website, why won't you click here instead (to FLEET & NETWORK) your clear and understanding. Thank you! Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 09:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

But that's your interpretation, that its only a temporarily service. The flight is operating for four months to DUS instead of CGN with a different flight number and times. That facts are: the homepage is outdated; last update was April 2020; the network map is years outdated; most of the destinations shown on the map are not served anymore and current destinations like JFK, BKK, HKG and DUS are missing. I can't see the point, that there are lots of sources referring to the current situation, but some guys from far away are trying to convince me, that the flights I see every week (or twice a week from this weekend), are not existing. Pretty weird. Zyrrrrrrr (talk) 12:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

But given it facts when you download the PDF that I mentioned earlier, it said **Updated as of October 1st to December 31st of 2021 Flight Schedules**. It is very weird that Egyptair Cargo doesn't make any announcements or changes from their own website. Aside from that, all other users won't agree until you/I/they provide a single reliable source that are strongly aware and useful or upright link to be given. Just don't edit it again as an advice to avoid edit war. Thank you! Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 12:15, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

But even MS Cargo marks in the footnote of the PDF: "The flights schedule may be subject to change"

That's what we got here proven by a couple of up to date references whereas MS Cargo didn't release any press release or something since April 2020!

Regarding to this discussion: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_17#RfC_about_references_for_the_%22Airlines_and_destinations%22_tables a search engine especially with minimum effort to comprehend (select airline, start, destination, date, press enter und you get an iteration for a whole week) is a reliable source. Zyrrrrrrr (talk) 15:14, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

just a reminder that the spotter koeln is a blog site and a planespotter website, especially planespotter.com on fleet information is not a reliable source. You can search and read full here for Wikipedia:Blogs as sources and read it again fully in Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Hope we have a clear understanding. Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 16:22, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Your answer is not referring to the discussion linked saying that booking/search engines are a reliable source.

Btw routes-online.com is a blog, too. ;)

Here's another source (local gazette) stating flights have been cancelled: https://www.express.de/koeln/flughafen-koeln-bonn-betriebsrat-schlaegt-wegen-fehlern-alarm-70285 (at the very bottom)Zyrrrrrrr (talk) 12:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

EgyptAir in DUS

Hello, please note that EgyptAir Cargo has now updated its official schedule and does *not* or at least no longer serve DUS on a regular scheduled basis (which Is the only relevant operation we include in our destination tables). However, it still operates to CGN (MSN536/537). Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:A61:1005:D401:A076:5FC7:5E85:878F (talk) 08:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

The PDF is not up to date and it's "subject to change". There has been no plane from EgyptAir or EgyptAir Cargo in Cologne/Bonn for almost half a year! Düsseldorf is still served on weekly base twice a week. The last MS Cargo plane in Düsseldorf was SU-GCF on wednesday, 10 November, operating on MS538/539: screenshot (imgur)

Next flight will be tomorrow, 14 November, CAI - DUS - CAI MS538/539 A330-200F SU-GCE 17:10 STA 19:10 STD.

And destination tables include scheduled and charter flights as said on any airports article. Zyrrrrrrr (talk) 12:41, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Just airborned: screenshot (imgur); tracking (flightradar24)

But I bet like any reference given it's just another misinformation........ Zyrrrrrrr (talk) 12:02, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

There she is: SU-GCE sitting on V08 at Düsseldorf (imgur)

Btw you cannot even find any data about last flight to Cologne/Bonn. Must have been in late July this year. Since then no EgyptAir or EgyptAir Cargo airplane has been to Cologne/Bonn, but you want this disused cargo relation kept as you don't accept any reference given except your two sources which I have proven to be outdated. Pathetic. Zyrrrrrrr (talk) 16:35, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

ANI Discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The title which is Similar account, similar commenting about Egyptair Cargo. Thank you. Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 06:14, 20 November 2021 (UTC)