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Minor edits

Hi, welcome to wikipedia. Just be careful with the "minor" tag: it should only be used for typos, grammar and vandalism. BlenFans (talk) 16:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh okay my bad I thought it just mean small. Thanks for the help :), YannLK (talk) 17:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

No worries :) BlenFans (talk) 00:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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—Femke 🐦 (talk) 09:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Great. Thank you for all the help in reviewing and such Femke. :) YannLK (talk) 12:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Canvassing

It appears you have been canvassing off-site, which is against wikipedia policies. Please see WP:CANVASS.BlenFans (talk) 16:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I've seen the thread. As a way forward, you may want to make people aware of canvassing rules there, that is, ask them not to edit. I don't think anybody there has edited apart from you, so it should be a case of no harm done. To achieve a neutral point of view, it's key that we get diverse perspectives, and that conversations are held in a place where the entire Wikipedia community can see. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did clearly break wikipedia rules there. It was without malicious intent, but I realise I clearly broke them. I will inform the moderators. YannLK (talk) 19:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok, that's fine. I know you didn't start the thread and you haven't posted there since, but I'll leave the notices in because the thread is still there.

Just be aware that NPOV is an absolutely key pillar of wikipedia policy. I see you said you wanted to make this article "scathing", and in editing it you added a slanted POV in quite a few places by not putting in the authors' responses, or by omitting important details such as the subgroup analysis with different criteria.

It's weird (or perhaps not) that there is such slanted misinformation about PACE on patient forums, but wikipedia isn't a place for that, so let's try and make this article a good source of unbiased NPOV info about the PACE trial. Regarding contacting the moderators of s4me: I see they have just made the thread members only, so it still violates wikipedia policy if anyone posts there. BlenFans (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

BlenFans, the comment about NPOV is also applicable to you. I think the text is now balanced well after both of you edited, but f.i. posting the author responses when those reponses weren't quite correct (such as the claim that all three treatments were mentioned in the newsletter), also poses NPOV problems. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the newsletter you will see that all 3 treatments were actually mentioned there. It mentions Activity Management, which according to the 2007 NICE guidelines "Many of the principles [of pacing] are included in this guideline's recommendations on CBT, GET and activity management", and if you look at the detail for Activity Management, there is a lot of overlap with the APT used in the PACE trial. The APT therapist manual specifically says "three forms of supplementary therapies that all involve activity management". Also, the protocol for the PACE trial says that pacing involves patients "managing their activity". It may be worth adding some of this info if you think it would help clarify. BlenFans (talk) 17:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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