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File:BSicon ENDEma.svg + others

moved to commons:Talk:BSicon/Renaming#File:BSicon_ENDEma.svg_.2B_others

Nomination for deletion of Template:ME-importance

Template:ME-importance has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

re Unheeding reversals

Please do not revert edits without analysing properly whether they are constructive or not. You may have been edit warring with Defender miz; he may be a sockpuppet (no idea on that); he may have disrupted the style of a featured list (not everybody is aware of all FL discussions); he may have shown or does show some poor editing from time to time; but all that does not mean that you can revert a page to its state before he made any edits [1][2]. By that one, not only did you revert three other persons' edits, but also removed valuable additions to the article (which, unlike awards lists, is intrinsically incomplete). Five of the releases he added have they own articles (and do not necessitate references in a list - although, yes, they should be added if we aim for feature quality; but it is unattainable in this case...); the one that did not have an article, he referenced; and some other fixes he also did properly. At least he knows wiki markup, unlike all those IPs... And anticipating any questions, I am not a sockpuppet of anybody. YLSS (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Understood, thank you, I'll take more care to look into that in the future. Glad to hear someone else is looking into this disturbing behavior pattern by Defender miz (talk · contribs). — Cirt (talk) 21:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I can assure you, I am no sockpuppet. Never even heard of the guy I am accused of being. Cirt, I do not have harsh feelings towards you. YLSS, thank you for understanding. Defender miz (talk) 22:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Defender miz (talk · contribs), thank you very much for the polite response and your talk page engagement, I really appreciate that! — Cirt (talk) 04:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Станции метро

Наличие раздельных статей об одних и тех же станциях метро на разных линиях некорректно. Две части на разных линиях - одна статья, это устоявшаяся практика en.wp (1, 2, 3, 4). Ворот93 (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Меня немного удивляет ваша безаппеляционность... Честно говоря, ваш взгляд, что две Курские - это одна станция, я вижу впервые, и по всей видимости он был поддержан только Artem Karimov и редакторами чешской Википедии. По поводу станций вашингтонского, парижского, пражского или вьенского метро я ничего не утверждаю, ибо не являюсь знатоком данных систем. В московском же метро, принципиальное отличие которого от большинства иностранных - отсутствие перегонов, использующихся более чем одной линией, - подобные станции считаются отдельными объектами инфраструктуры (в отличие от станций с кросс-платформенной пересадкой). Они строились в разное время, могут при необходимости функционировать отдельно друг от друга, и единственное, что их связывает - одинаковое название. Но во-первых, названия у нас вещь непостоянная, и ничто не мешает начальству метро взять и переименовать одну станцию из пары; а во-вторых, пересадочный узел Курская АПЛ - Курская КЛ ничем принципиально не отличается от Добрынинской - Серпуховской, и уж точно нет смысла объединять две Курские, но держать их отдельно от Чкаловской. Можно было бы создать страницу про пересадочный узел "Kurskaya-Kurskaya-Chkalovskaya", в котором бы явно прописывалось, что это три станции, а не одна с тремя залами, но это было бы уж как-то громоздко... Если у вас имеются другие доводы по данному вопросу, думаю, нам стоит перенести данную дискуссию на страницу какого-то проекта. YLSS (talk) 19:09, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your revert on Hologram (album)

Hello there YLSS, I'm aware that you reverted the redirect I placed on Hologram (album), and you gave the edit summary a reason which is not accepted, existence is not a reason why an article should be kept within Wikipedia, the article must be relevant, well sourced and its notability must be shown, I suggest you to read WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability guidelines, and also check out specific guideline criteria WP:NMUSIC, which is applied to Music Notability (including singers, singles, albums, lyrics and so on), please if you have any doubt about any of these essays feel free to contact me. Regards Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 03:34, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, but let's do this properly, so that the redirect doesn't show up in various maintenance categories. YLSS (talk) 05:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Useddenim and Edmonton LRT

I'm sorry to drag you into this, but I wanted to further reply to your comments on ANI, and you seem to be more willing to talk about route diagrams than Useddenim. I see how multiple diagrams for multi-line systems can be beneficial, if they even had 45 stations and two lines like C-Train. Route diagrams need to be controlled so that they don't become bloated with too much information. Template:ETS LRT route isn't a large diagram, in 2014 Edmonton will only have 3 stations off the main line. More stations are approved, but there is no plans to start construction. The neighbouring city of St. Albert has announced in one reference that they were looking at locations for the LRT within their limits, but proposed is not planned, and very much not set into stone. I once believed in m:eventualism (interesting article by the way), and added proposed lines to this revision. But proposals often don't happen, so now I bring down the WP:CRYSTAL hammer. The diff you added to ANI of Useddenim's edit to Template:Metro Line was not Useddenim adding that St. Albert reference, and as I explained on that template talk page, it doesn't matter, because that reference doesn't provide stations names. Writing multiple templates and citing eventualism and large LRT systems seems like a CRYSTAL violation to me, because it reminds me of how novice users write about TV shows. I don't know if you are familiar with WP:TV, but successful shows have a main article, then a list of episodes article, then articles on each of the seasons. When a novice user comes to edit a new TV show they use this as a model, and create three articles for a show that hasn't even aired yet. Sure, it could be successful, but for now all the information can be on one page. I'm sorry if this is out of place, and I can understand if you don't respond, but I feel like I need to express more of my opinion when the other side of the conversation isn't there. 117Avenue (talk) 02:53, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I can only provide my humble thoughts on this matter, as I live quite a long way from Edmonton.

• What's your opinion of Tuválkin's solution? I came to view it as the most flexible one: a short, purely navigational template to be placed in articles on stations (it is more intuitive that navbars), and a detailed template at the article on line. In ru.wp, we began including various side-tracks etc. (as in ru:Шаблон:Бутовская линия). A more sophisticated way is using smart collapsing, as done in no.wp (no:Gråkallbanen), but that would require quite a lot of work.
• On CRYSTAL violation: yeah, I also dislike including tentative plans into templates, and at ru.wp we even have an ongoing discussion about that... If what you've written here is true, I'd rather be on your side - but I really won't make any judgement! ;) For comparison, there is ru:Шаблон:Третий пересадочный контур about a line of 30 stations of which only 6 are being constructed, 7 more penned to exact locations, and the rest only vaguely planned (and I still hope plans will change); or also ru:Шаблон:Казанский метрополитен (схема линий) about the eventual layout of Kazan Metro, 70% of which are far-off projects (albeit official and sourceable). I'm not saying I would vote for keeping them at TfD, but maybe it is acceptable to provide the user with an image of the current governmental views on the subject? Still, this should of course be discussed by you & Useddenim (& others).
• As a general advice, I would suggest you & Useddenim to forget all past grievances and harsh words, and engage into a peaceful and polite discussion from tabula rasa. Both of you seem to be sane users with a wish to contribute for the benefit of wp, quite a lot experience and a wish to build a consensus (I can assure you there is one on his side). Just begin with some general questions and each post the points you can make, and once you've reached a compromise, go on to another question... (You may forward him this message ;) ).

--YLSS (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I pretty much agree with everything. A detailed RDT is too large to be placed on every station article, but if it is a small system, why confuse the reader with multiple RDTs? With future info, I think we need the location to be confirmed before adding it to a RDT, studies can be mentioned in the prose, which is what I've done on Metro Line. I try my best to sound polite and peaceful in my comments, but tone is always interpretation, when reading. I'm still waiting for Useddenim to reply to my questions on future information, and posted more on WT:RDT, but so far it is just us three. Useddenim is aware of this discussion, as evidenced by his 5 October 2013 edit. 117Avenue (talk) 00:14, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Compound junctions

√ery clever use of the note= parameter! Useddenim (talk) 01:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:Draco Rosa

Category:Draco Rosa, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:59, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Edmonton

Thank you for the suggestion of using parentheses rather than commas. That makes the sentence flow much better, without removing the benefit I am guessing the original contributor intended by including the countries within which those cities are located. Garth of the Forest (talk) 02:14, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for thanking ;) Will reply at talkpage. YLSS (talk) 10:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of 2014 albums#Citation redundancy

Recent annotation of the words redundant (me) and should+ideally (your good self), indicate a PoV conflict. Thus, I've started Talk:List of 2014 albums#Citations and when are they redundant, on a summary page? for the wrangling of consensus :D – Ian, DjScrawl (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

"Update links"

This is a misleading edit comment when you are updating BSicons in Templates. I would expect to find changes to the Wikilinks. Why not say "update icons" or something similar. 16:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I do not update icons: neither introduce new ones, nor modify them; just correcting the tag after they've been moved at Commons, like updating Wikilinks after pagemoves. When I modify the diagram, I use "upd links + new icons". But of course, this is just a matter of habit (or auto-fill). YLSS (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Sofia metro map Template

Здравствуй,

Я просто хотел сказать Спасибо за помощ с иконками, которые уже не изображаются правильно Template:Sofia Metro Red line. Мне бы пришлось долго заботиться. Verminclone (talk) 13:37, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Да не за что, мне даже было интересно редактировать такой уникальный шаблон! YLSS (talk) 13:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Adding restroom facilities to railroad diagrams

Hello. I noticed your edit, and while I understand your reasoning, I just wanted to bring your attention to several diagrams that do have an icon for restroom facilities, including the Central Link in Seattle. I just wonder if it would be appropriate at all to include an icon for restroom facilities for major stations (e.g. NYC's Penn Station, etc.) on railroad diagrams. Also, would it be at all feasible to do something similar to Amtrak's railroad diagrams for Greyhound Bus Lines? Jay (talk) 21:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I've answered you at Commons, and most surprisingly, I proposed precisely the same solution as in Template:Central Link map, without having seen it or any other! I just don't think there is a need to have a BSicon showing the same thing: the only reason to name a file "BSicon smth" is to use it through {{BS3}} etc. Meanwhile, restroom facilities do not play any role in the layout of the line, so there is little need (IMHO) to place such an icon among station pictograms; although it is still possible to place it left of the main text, in the space provided for distances/timing (e.g. 4th parameter of {{BS3}}). If you don't want to spell out the name of the file each time, you can create a small template, like {{rint}}.

WRT Greyhound Bus Lines: well, why not, if the route of the bus does not change every couple of years and it's relatively constant, I see no reason why not to employ an RDT to visualise it. AFAIR, there are some RDTs for Belgian bus lines (in fr.wp?)... YLSS (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

About BS-map

Hi,

I'm sorry for my offending that undo the BS-map edition of zh:Template:广州地铁RDT/3 yesterday.

As you see, the Guangzhou Metro RDT series is mainly maintain by me currently. So I'm worry about some difference between the BS-map module and tranditional BS* template.

What I'm considering is

• The whole map frame seems widther then it is before.
• Some features look different a lot from the tranditional one, such as collapsible.
• The title of a collapsible is wrapped, that breaks the map.

I'm interesting on this solution but it's so unfamiliar for me. I would like to introduce this module to all RDTs of Guangzhou Metro.

Sorry that my English is poor so I may not completely explained my idea.

Chenxingyu (talk) 13:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Chenxingyu, thanks for bringing this up! The main reason to use BS-map is that it employs a Lua script, zh:Module:Routemap, instead of the complicated wiki template markup. This improves performance a lot. At ru.wp, a separate template was created, ru:Template:Routemap; at zh.wp, Sameboat decided to implement everything into zh:Template:BS-map.

• Yes, sometimes the width has to increased. I have an idea how to improve this, but I don't know when I will do that...
• What do you mean by "different"? The coding or the result?
• Try increasing 110 in text-width=,110,130 parameter. Things look different in various browsers, so I don't know whether it's broken or not...

Currently, the module is primarily developed by me and Sameboat (who speaks Chinese), so if you have any questions or suggestions, you can always contact either of us! YLSS (talk) 14:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi YLSS, I've just converted and reviewed BS-map for Line 1 ~ 4 of Guangzhou Metro. It's pretty cool! I'll introduce BS-map to all Guangzhou Metro series these days. Thank you! Chenxingyu (talk) 03:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Mixed vSTR icon

Please help this guy (user talk:Sameboat#Need your expert help again regarding rail pictograms). -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 11:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

(Funny... I chanced to notice that post at you talk page just a couple of minutes before you posted me; but decided not to intervene, so as not to become a WP:Talk page stalker. YLSS (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC))

I don't mind talk page stalking especially regarding BSicon (actually Ian should have posted it in BSicon project talk page, but it was not a fault at all, just better option). You may still add something even though Useddenim has already answered the inquiry. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 12:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I stalk Jimbo's talk page occasionally.--Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 12:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

An invitation

Hi YLSS, Love your work!

While I have already extended an invitation to Sameboat, I would love it if you could take a look a where I've gone wrong here? Everyone is more than willing to fix but not to explain/teach and I'm getting no closure from here or here - Have I overlooked other reading material relating to route maps?

The problem is the text won't line up.... I know it has something to do with the collapsible sections but I can't seem to figure out what. Sameboat has fixed this for me before, but every time I make an addition to the template I'm right back to square one. This route map is pretty much where it needs to be.... I'd love it fixed, but more importantly I'd like to know how to fix it myself?

Any help you can offer would be appreciated.
Wiki ian 20:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello again ;) Well, I've checked that template and only updated some icons, but not the coding — leaving that up to you!

The first thing you should note is that the first parameter after after the icons produces right-aligned text of reduced size in an "additional" column before the main text column. So unless you want to add some distances in kilometers or timing, leave a blank parameter after the icons. That is, for {{BS3}}, for example, you can enter three icons, then an empty parameter, and then a text label: {{BS3|ICON1|ICON2|ICON3||Text}}. For tables with collapsible sections this is even more important in that left-aligned text (in the main column) will naturally be lined up to the icons column; but right-aligned text may be mis-aligned because of different widths of collapsible blocks.

Next thing is that the width of the icons block should be the same for all BS-collapsible rows and should equal the width of the widest icons block of the table overall. So if somewhere in the diagram you have BS5, then all collapsible rows should be BS5-collapsible. (That is, if we only use full-width icons, and not the half-width "d" ones.) Other rows may be BS4, BS3 and so on.

Finally, the tw parameter should be set with the same value for all BS-collapsible rows, and also at least for one row outside collapsible sections (for example, the first one). The value should be chosen a bit larger than the width of the widest text field in the table. In the present case, that would be "Tasmanian Transport Museum", I guess.

I hope that clears the things up ;) If you have any more questions, I'll be glad to answer them! YLSS (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for quick response - I shall have a crack at it now :-)

While I have your attention.... there are 3 stopping points on the South Line that I don't feel I can truthfully represent on the route map without comprising it. If you look at this link, you'll see the Bridgewater station exists right in the Wye (as do the other 2). I don't like the existing situation on the route map, and I'm not to fond of the idea of displaying text on both sides of the route map. Do you have any ideas for me?

Two of them. The first one uses icons with "k" prefix and is easier, but eats more space. The second employs half-width icons (with prefix "d"), which are always tricky... Also, I would recommend you to place |O1=... bits directly following the base icon. This does not alter the order of other parameters, but makes the things easier for later editors. YLSS (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

This is all very new to me. I was able to replicate the first Wye you demonstrated with relative ease.... but going the other way around I have not been able to master (track branching left instead of right). Could I please trouble you to demonstrate one the other way around. Thanks heaps, Wiki ian 01:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I've done a bit, but I'm not yet confident about what I'm doing. If you look here, you notice I had to revert my last edit.... what did I do wrong? the 01=, 02=, 022= is really confusing me lol

Wiki ian 05:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Heh, that's not zeros, that's letters "O", from "overlay" ;) YLSS (talk) 09:52, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

How many overlays can you have per tile? and should they be placed in any order? Wiki ian 07:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Presently, you can have a base icon + five overlays. The order of listing them does not matter, only the order of indices. Base icon is beneath the rest, O# comes next, then O#2, then O#3, O#4, and O#5 is the topmost. YLSS (talk) 18:26, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

WP:RDT#Overlay says up to “five overlapping layers in total” plus the base, making six: i.e.
|ICON|On=|On2=|On3=|On4=|On5=. Continuing, “… it is a good practice to list the overlay icons immediately following the corresponding “base” icon entry. That way we humans do not need to look back and forth at the codes.” And, “The upcoming lua transition of this project which improves resource usage and loading time … requires the overlapping icon IDs to be lined immediately after the icon ID of lower layer[s].” Useddenim (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

South Line (Tasmania)
Western Line • Bell Bay Line Western Junction Evandale  Clarendon Snake Banks Midland Highway Epping Forest Cleveland Hobart Port

Is it possible to not have any text in bs expandable line and instead, have the {{BS3-replace||eHST|||[[Evandale, Tasmania|Evandale]]}} in the line underneath? currently when you press expand it shows just a straight tack in its place, but I was wondering if I could move the Evandale station in the straight track's place? Wiki ian 09:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's completely OK to do that. At least when the text is short. It is even possible to leave some text in the BS-startCollapsible line, and have "Evandale" replace it after expanding, although this requires adding {{pad|100px}} after "Evandale" so that all of the text underneath it is hidden. YLSS (talk) 11:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong?

Western Line (Tasmania)
Old Surrey Road  Cascade Road Metaira Road Metaira Road Circular Road Ridgley Highway Oonah Road Tena Road Ridgley Highway Sugarloaf Road Upper Natone Road Silvermine Road Guildford Road North Goderich Road Bunkers Road Wey River Bunkers Road Hellyer River Waratah Spur Guildford Road Muddy Creek Clipper Road Hellyer River Murchison Highway Huskisson Road Hatfield River Suprise Creek Que River Que River Sawmill Creek -41.659736,145.605412 Boco Creek Pieman Road Lake Rosebery -41.73548,145.52892 Chasm Creek Rosebery Mine Zeehan Strahan-Zeehan Line

Great news - with the advise you gave me. I have successfully adapted both the Western Line & Southern Line Templates.However, I'm having trouble fixing the Melba Line Template. Half of the collapse button is covered up. What am I doing wrong? Many thanks Wiki ian 08:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

scratch that... I think I worked it out. thanks anyway Wiki ian 08:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

San Francisco Bay area rail map

Thanks for the assist on cleaning up my outdated code! My new focus will be to start filling in missing icons to the commons, any suggestions? BT14 (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Ooph, I don't even know what to suggest... All basic icons are already there, and before creating new ones (or improving the existent), I would recommend you to check commons:Talk:BSicon/Icon geometry and SVG code neatness. Or, if you want, there is another task at hand: replacing icons from commons:Category:Icons for railway descriptions/obsolete redirect with revised names. YLSS (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Are you sick of me yet? — No, of course not!

Example Line
continues that way Does that look right to you? — Better now? Station Overlay doesn't work? — No, hRP4 is too non-standard... continues that way

Hello again my most helpful friend. May I first start by saying how grateful I am for your in depth teachings on route maps. Your advise in conjunction with the examples you have provided have increased my knowledge on route maps 4 fold.

I will try not to bother you too much more as I'm sure you're not here just to help me off my Training wheels. Can you provide a solution to the newest challenge I find myself facing? If you look at this route map, you will see I have been trying to realign the route map as parallel track even when travelling as a single track. So far so good, except overpass pictograms and overlay. I have looked on commons with no alternatives? What could I be doing better as the bridges demonstrated don't really look the best and there doesn't seem to be a pictogram set out in parallel track format with only one track passing through.

Additionally, the template in question is describing a proposed Light rail service that will operate in the same corridor (and track) as the South Line, concurrently with Freight trains. Can the Northern suburbs light rail route map be better set out to show both heavy rail and light rail will be sharing the same tracks?

Thankyou once again.
Regards
Wiki ian 11:20, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess standard icons for overlaying won't work with four-lane roads, they are too wide... But if all you need is placing a bridge over a line that is shifted out from the middle, you can shift the bridge as well. Just add  (d) (empty half-width icon) at one side to shift things by a quarter.

WRT sharing the same tracks, this is often shown by overlaying either 1) a tunnel line, 2) an interrupted line, 3) a narrow line on top of a regular one. (The last set is poorly developed as yet.) YLSS (talk) 17:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

You have all the answers. I want to say thankyou again but I've already said it too much lol

3 more questions if you have the answers, kind sir.

• What is the intended purpose of these pictograms? The naming lead me to believe it was intended to demonstate Cycle paths and leasure walks. But after clicking what links here on random pictograms in the set, I've started to get the idea I was wrong (eg. this on and that one). The picture on the right shows the Brooker Highway passing over the south line with a bike track running parallel. this bike track runs almost 15km and will feature along the majority of riverline. Are there pictograms for bike tracks and is it worth demonstrating in the route map?

• While looking for inspiration I found this which lead me to investigate Template:RoutemapRoute further. and thought it would be really good for the top of the south line route map instead of the BSto template. however while both lines centre on the example, I had no such luck on the south line map.

• c/d/cd - you've explained them and I now know their purpose. But I still don't understand how to use them properly. What function does each one serve and do they work like the overlays (one command per column) or are there limitations to how many can be in a row?

Thankyou, Wiki ian 03:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC

• These icons were AFAIK originally introduced for footpaths (that's where "f" comes from), i.e. long-distance trails (I'm not sure about them being leisure walks). However, they came to be used for other things as well, primarily for Metro lines that are usually coloured green on diagrams (e.g. ru:Template:Замоскворецкая линия. Indeed, there is no restriction that some icons should be used only to represent this particular concept, and not anything else. So you can use these "f"-icons or some others to represent anything you need, but in any case, better include a note into the diagram explaining what they are used for. Whether it's worth demonstrating a bike track – I dunno; that is wholly up to your judgement. If that track affects somehow the constructive aspects of the railway, then it's probably worth including; otherwise, I would not recommend cluttering the diagram...
• I'm afraid I don't understand you... What does and doesn't centre and where?

{{BS3|BHF|BHF|BHF}} {{BS|BHF}} {{BS2|BHF|BHF}} {{BS2|BHF|dBHF}} {{BS6|dSTR|dSTR|dSTR|dSTR|dSTR|dSTR}} {{BS6|dSTR|c|dSTR|dSTR|cd|dSTR}} {{BS3|KRX|fdSTRq|uKRX}} {{BS2|KRX|O1=fdSTRq|uKRX}} {{BS2|fdSTRq|O1=KRX|uKRX}}

• There's nothing really special about those IDs / icons. Just like BHF is expanded to File:BSicon BHF.svg , so dBHF is expanded to File:BSicon dBHF.svg , and d to File:BSicon d.svg . They are just icons that are empty; FYI, not so long ago all blank cells (first and third in {{BS3||BHF||10.0|Station}}) were filled up with File:BSicon .svg . The mechanism is like that: common icons take up 20px in width; icons with "d" prefix take 10px; and rare icons with "c" and "cd" prefixes take 5px and 15px respectively. There is no restriction on their number; to see what they can be used for, check {{Railways in Bridgwater RDT}}, {{London, Tilbury and Southend Railway}} or ru:Шаблон:Александров — Куровская. The whole block of icons is centered within the table column, check the table to the right.

-- YLSS (talk) 06:56, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Tubestation

moved to Template talk:Tubestation

Lua questions

Hi. I am starting to write my own lua module after being frightened by the lack of tutorial year ago. Right now I've started a relatively simple module:MTR for Hong Kong MTR's color and icon styles. I referenced your ru:module:MoscowMetro a lot but also made many changes because primarily MTR never numbers its metro lines (which is a shame). I made a long list which wanted to replicate the wiki parser function of #SWITCH. It is doing its job but I feel the whole thing can be tremendously streamlined without repeating the same output for every single value.

The other question I have is the icon table which repeats some of the codes from the colorbyname table. I did that because I had no luck at all calling the colorbyname function inside the icon table. Please kindly advice me how to improve the module. Thank you. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 02:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hm, it appears that Mr. Stradivarius has already changed the things beyond recognition (I don't know if that was asked for on not), so I think you need to reformulate your questions now (if there are any still). I wonder why he used such a complicated system of function calls when there is only a limited number of possible parameters that can be easily handled directly (as I did in ru:module:MoscowMetro). And I hope it isn't really necessary to use {{uc}} each time... YLSS (talk) 12:59, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I actually made the request at Wikipedia talk:Lua‎#‎Trouble of template inheriting module parameters because the icon function didn't work properly. Stradivarius explained the change is also for performance sake. I don't quite understand its mechanism, but the change does avoid unnecessary template parameter inheritance and parser function in the transcluding templates.[3][4] -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you're right, using Module:Arguments might have been overkill. Feel free to rewrite it however you want - I won't mind at all. Using parser functions and getting arguments from wikitext are the two biggest performance drains in my experience, so I usually try and avoid them. Again, let me know if you have any questions about what I've done - I'm afraid that my changes may have been a little more vigorous than you had hoped for, so explaining them is the least I can do. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 15:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: No no no, I only saw that template after you edited it, so I didn't expect anything at all, I was just confused by what Sameboat wrote and what I saw in the code. I'm also pretty inexperienced with the way MediaWiki interacts with Lua and what are the best practises to enhance performance, so I would only welcome your advice! While we're on this topic, could you please explain a couple of points, preferably using ru:Template:MOSMETRO icon as an example? It has pretty much the same parameters as en:Template:MOSMETRO-bull, but I converted it to use Lua not so long ago, via ru:module:MoscowMetro.

• Is it always better to pass the parameters via Module:Arguments? E.g. there's ru:Template:Московский метрополитен/цвет линии, which can have only one (unnamed) parameter, and COLORS[mw.text.trim(frame.args[1] or '')] is pretty much everything that's needed... In contrast, ru:Template:MOSMETRO icon can be used with a dozen combinations of parameters, so would it be better if I introduce Module:Arguments for that function? Although that would necessitate creating ru:Module:Arguments...
• ru:Template:MOSMETRO icon can be used once per article (e.g. in an infobox) or 300 times per article (ru:Список станций Московского метрополитена), so would it be better to create a /data subpage? If so, which parts or the module should be separated: everything except functions, right?
• Maybe you would have some other suggestions? ;)

-- YLSS (talk) 16:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Module:Arguments is just a convenience function. It does three basic things:

1. It trims whitespace from arguments and removes blank arguments. Using frame.args directly doesn't change the arguments at all, which can be confusing. For example, if you use the code frame.args[1] or '', and the module is called like {{#invoke:foo|myFunction| }}, then the result will be ' ', rather than the '' you were probably expecting.
2. It fetches arguments both from #invoke and from the template that called #invoke.
3. It uses metatables to only retrieve arguments from wikitext when the args table is indexed by the module.

Also, all of these are configurable. Module:Arguments doesn't do anything special for performance - in fact, it has a slight performance cost. The performance benefits come from limiting the number of arguments expanded from wikitext. As I said, that is typically the thing that takes the most time, whether you're loading arguments from a module or whether you're passing parameters from a template to an #invoke. So if you can reduce any of those, you should make good performance savings, particularly for templates that are called hundreds of times on a page. That's why I used the parentOnly option in Module:MTR - so that the module wouldn't check for arguments in the #invoke when they were always going to be passed through directly from the template.

You can also get good performance savings from using mw.loadData - it makes sense that processing some data once and then using the result 100 times will be quicker than processing the data 100 times. So as your template is being used 300 times on a page, then yes, you definitely should consider using mw.loadData. :) The best way to use it is to separate all the data that won't change depending on the module's arguments. You said everything except functions, but sometimes you can actually move functions to the /data page, as long as they don't depend on the module arguments and as long as the output is just data. For example, I moved the p.getParamMappings function from Module:Namespace detect to Module:Namespace detect/data, which saved a lot of cycles. This has turned into quite a long post, so I'll leave it there for now. Hope this helps! — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 18:12, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Re: BS-templates

Hi YLSS. I'm an user for the Spanish Wikipedia. Just passing to say that I've already answered your message there. Best regards. TeleMania (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

South Western Main Line RDT

I won't re-revert your edit to the South Western Main Line RDT (as that would be starting an edit war), but I will say the following:

My opinion is that an RDT is less complicated to edit when, for every row, the number n in BSn is the same (i.e. every row starts with BS3, BS5 or whatever), or if it has to alternate between an odd and an even number then these numbers are consecutive (i.e. every row starts with BS3 or BS4, or BS4 or BS5, or whatever). Even if it does clutter things up a bit.

That *is* just an opinion, though - and it *is* the opinion of someone who, though he's made a fair few edits to such templates, still doesn't have the most experience.

So feel perfectly free to disagree with it. Bluebird207 (talk) 14:30, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup, I'll precisely disagree with you ;) My opinion (of someone who has made lotsa edits to RDTs across dozens of Wikipedias in multiple formats and with local "customs") is that eventually it is easier to start from the center. If there is only one icon (and it is centered across the row), just spell it out. If there are more, put them to the left and right, and so on. This will reduce the work if at some row you will need extra space (especially if that is be ¼, ½, or ¾ of a cell). Indeed it is common that the main line (the one the article is about) is in the center, so it's just simpler to think not left-to-right but from-center-outside. In complicated cases (like Template:Wrexham, Mold and Connah's Quay Railway) – yes, it is easier to have the same number of cells for the whole length of the diagram. YLSS (talk) 14:47, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Good advice which has convinced me to change my opinion - so thanks. :) Bluebird207 (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

South Coast line

And now I have to figure what a rwsa is, sigh.
The first expand doesn't. ?? I click the expand, the one below it expands, odd. iPad --Dave Rave (talk) 22:04, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixed that one. Should be working OK now.

An rwsa is {{rwsa}}, a variant of {{rws}} specifically for Australian-style page titles. It is common to use such templates in route diagrams to increase code readability. (In this case, I somehow managed to insert them into the body of the article, thanks to regular expressions, but I don't think that's a problem...) YLSS (talk) 22:16, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

already researched that far ;) iPad in bed ... Ta. (-1600bytes, minor, wt... Did he do) hence the look --Dave Rave (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Yup, I LOVE doing that ;) This one was better: -4,706 bytes, the look of the article didn't change a bit! YLSS (talk) 22:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you tweak Template:Main North Line cos you know it's not just me that wants to expand that first section under Strathfield --Dave Rave (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done YLSS (talk) 10:23, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I started the other side and managed to tidy it up so that's consistently neat. Template:Southern Line, Queensland (bs to bs3 throughout) but when I started collsible I couldn't get it to stay in line User:Dave Rave/sandbox3 and now it's all over and bafly spaced and I can't figure it. BS is complicated ;( argh --Dave Rave (talk) 01:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I edited it somewhat – did I understand your intention right? The trick with collapsible sections is that the row with "-startCollapsible" should be of maximum width present (in this case, BS3 and not BS1), see #An invitation above, I explained it there. Also, the first text field should only be used for the distances / timing, any other text should go to the second, third or fourth text field. WRT BS → BS3, see #South Western Main Line RDT above. YLSS (talk) 08:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I had them all at BS3 cos it wouldn't line up but then the collapsible messed it again, so I'm sure that an expert will fix it and I'll maybe muddle it out. ;( that's much nicer-er, it's the leucke to lstr etc I have no idea about. --Dave Rave (talk) 09:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

salutations again oh great BS guru, pls to be examining Template:Main Southern railway line, New South Wales , when I expand Campbelltown the last bit at Albury kicks sideways. As usual I have no idea where to start other than here. --Dave Rave (talk) 20:09, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

You just had to set a greater width for the diagram. For this, I added a dummy row {{BS|tw=300px}} at the top, which doesn't actually produce an additional row because it's empty, but still sets the width for the table. Unfortunately, when embedded into an infobox, the local width comstraints take precedence and this stops working. The only workaround that I know is to add {{pad|some value}} to widest text field. (And please don't flatter me, I tend to loose the sense of reality after that.) YLSS (talk) 14:39, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

you mostly rwsa but missed the complicated ones, which are easy. I shall, did you not know ?

if rwsa just transcludes to StnlnkA should we just use that anyway ?

should I rwsa any mention of [ [Here railway station|Here] ] to { { rwsa|Here } } ? --Dave Rave (talk) 22:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

(with ec) Mmm, I don't really get what you mean... Yup, it appears that some instances were left unchanged. That's because I do not replace them by hand, one by one. Rather, I use regular expressions (via Notepad++), so some may fall outside the pattern. If you want, you can change them as well, but there's no problem if they are left as they are. The main reason to use {{rwsa}} and similar is to increase the readability of the code. It's more in the spirit of WYSIWYG: if as the result you get "Gloucester" (wikilinked), then it's easier to deal with something short in the wikicode, like {{rwsa|Gloucester}} and not like [[Gloucester railway station|Goucester]]. But it's only useful to do this in repetitive templates, and pretty pointless in the body of an article. {{rwsa}} is better than {{stnlnkA}} in that it is 3 symbols shorter, and it that it's more readily explainable: "railway station (Australian style)". Redirect, on the other hand, comes at a minimal cost. YLSS (talk) 23:29, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Chernivtsi

Hello YLSS, I'm Masssly. I want to thank you for your contribution. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Chernivtsi with this edit but unfortunately you didn't give an explanation or tell us why.Please be mindful that unexplained removal of one or more words suggests Wikipedia:Content removal. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with at least an edit summary except in the case of a monor edit. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Feel free to contact me further if you need any assistance. Kind Regards...—Sadat (Masssly)❤Talk☮C☺Email☯ 14:23, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Image question

I saw that you reverted my edits at the railint templates for the fair use issue, which I understand. I forgot to check it that time. However, I was browsing around trying to find a public domain image, and was surprised to see that this image is in the public domain, and that this one isn't. To me, the rectangular shapes of the train in the Shore Line logo seem a lot more basic than the logo containing the intricate shape of Connecticut. I think that they should both be in the public domain based on their basic geometric designs, especially the Shore Line logo. Ben^Yes? 15:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Honestly? I have no idea ;) I am no expert at such questions, so you should better ask at C:COM:VPC WP:MCQ^{Useddenim (talk) 02:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)}. Possibly the former image is in PD because it's a work of US government; but I don't know whether the second one should be treated the same or not... YLSS (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but I think that File:Seal of the Connecticut Department of Transportation.svg is classified as {{PD-textlogo}} because the outline of the state is a geographical element that can't be coprighted (copywritten?). And although US government works are PD, the regulations vary from state to state (and even agency to agency within a state!). Useddenim (talk) 02:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

(SLE logo.svg) is now clear for use in any way. Useddenim (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:PATH line map

I give up! {{right}} is forcing a line break in this diagram (when I tried to use it beside Hoboken Terminal and Newark Penn Station, and nothing I've tried prevents line wrapping inside the infobox at Port Authority Trans-Hudson. Useddenim (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't get what you mean... For me, the widest row, and the one that "sets" the width of the whole diagram, is the one with Hudson River. So beside Hoboken Terminal and Newark Penn Station there is plenty enough space, and no wrapping occurs if I add {{right}}. YLSS (talk) 07:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

It must have been a cache problem, as everything displays correctly now. Useddenim (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Icons on the O-Train

Hi. When cleaning up after a user who is unfamiliar with how a complex feature of wikipedia works (like rail templates) it's probably best to actively help out the user. For example you could put a link on a user's talk page linking the catalogues of the various template symbols (I searched for them and couldn't find them the first time and I thought I'd give up my spare time and make some). Turns out it wasn't necessary ... so it was my fault. However, when a new user tries to help out and the response is "man you should have looked harder, they already exist!" ... some users will never try to help out again. --Shabidoo | Talk 22:35, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, yes, sorry, I know I sometimes can be snappy... I try not to be (I do, really!), but I've seen so much, ahem, unsatisfactory editing by new users that usually I just make the things right and go away, and only communicate them personally if I see that they're here for long. I'm not saying that I disrespect newbies, on the contrary, I believe that their editing Wikipedia is vital, as also that of IPs. But please take pity on me, it's hard to be always smiling and welcoming. Oh well, you did put me to shame...

That said, I'm always open to helping those who seek help! So feel free to ask me if you have any questions. For now, you can check Wikipedia:Route diagram template (which is actually linked to from the template page and which in its turn links to the catalogue and to the category). Also, there are some hints at my talk page, see above. Feel free to upload new icons – it's pretty impossible to predict all the variants, so sometimes you do find that a useful icon is missing. But also pay attention to the overlaying technique, it helps a lot. If you would still require some new icon, go ahead, but remember: a) these icons should be uploaded to Commons, not to English Wikipedia; b) they should be categorised to some subcategory of this one; c) they should be edited not with inkscape or any other such sophisticated program, but with a simple text editor – Notepad, Notepad++ and so on. Try opening some existent BSicon in such a program, and try to understand how the code is written. (But do not ask me, that's to much! Please refer to some online source.) Or take the easier path: post a request for a new icon here, we'll be glad to help you! YLSS (talk) 23:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks a lot! --Shabidoo | Talk 16:53, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

infobox rdt

Hello I don't know about templates etc .. Can you fix Template:BS-map so it no longer says to use the depreceated template - eg it currently says

"{{BS-map}} should be contained within {{Infobox rdt}} when this parameter is used."

In the instructions.. Thanks Prof.Haddock (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done YLSS (talk) 23:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Also sorry about edits to Scarbourough template .. editing when should have been asleep.. Prof.Haddock (talk) 23:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries, one can't learn everything in a single moment ;) YLSS (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I just noticed that the example at {{BS-map}} doesn't actually show the use of the template! Useddenim (talk) 12:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I does... It was hidden after   YLSS (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wrexham, Mold and Connah's Quay Railway

Exactly. Great tweak, thanks for that. Britmax (talk) 09:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:ME-ref

Hi

I have just learned how to successfully use Inline Citations to create references and reference lists in articles.

I have read both the WikiProject Middle-earth/Standards article's section on Referencing and the Template:ME-ref article.

Please could we have more basic instructions on how to use ME Cite and ME Ref, ie how to add references and a reference list for beginners! I think this would also be beneficial to some others who would like to help the Middle-earth Project but need to build up their confidence.

Many thanks Lord Gorthol 17.50, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Template for Buffalo Metro Rail.

As you've probably noticed, the same person you're reverting is wreaking havoc on other artciles too.

I've listed warnings with suggestions, to little progress.

What can be done to this user?

I'm personally fed up with the inattention to details when he/she edits.

--Allamericanbear (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, I've already posted a request to protect that template. Let's see if it will be approved. WRT other articles – I really don't know. Gather up all his wrongdoings, resurrect all the warnings he deleted from his talk page, and present that at AN... YLSS (talk) 19:17, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Guess I have a project for tonight. --Allamericanbear (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Huh, take a rest Special:diff/625132118 & Special:diff/625131819 ;) YLSS (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Just saw. Thanks. --Allamericanbear (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

BS Scheme editor

Hi I created an editor for BS template.

The discussion goes on fr.wiki.

I'd like to have your comments on my personal page on fr.

thanks. --kirikou (talk) 16:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:South Side Main Line (CTA)

Thanks for working to simplify and narrow the South Side Main Line template. Your changes to 59th Junction are perfect! (That's exactly what's needed for Clark Junction on the North Side Main Line.) Your edit, however, did alter some things that I wanted to illustrate and I figured I'd consult you before moving on so that I can get the best possible result.

On the North Side Main Line, there are/were four tracks from Howard to Chicago and I used two lines to indicate this. The left line depicts the outer two tracks and the right line shows the inner two. (I have used this same scheme for the State Street Subway for consistency and am trying to do so with the South Side Main.) Under this system, the "main" line for the south side should lead directly into the right line which now (since the 1940s) leads into the subway. Those tracks are not in use and current day Green Line trains shift to the outer tracks which are also used by—and lead directly to—the Orange Line. North of the curved subway incline, the outer tracks resume the position of the inner tracks (similar to on the North Side) and once led directly into the stub-ended "Old Congress" station. The connection to the Loop actually branched off of this. This is what was depicted in my previous version.

As you noticed, it was a bit complicated and included a fair amount of empty space. I was considering moving the "TRAIN3" icon at Roosevelt to the other side of the tracks and simplifying the "Orange Line/Dan Ryan" junction section (which isn't actually correct anyway) to just a "uhCONTgq." This would knock a column off and still leave a space to add the St. Charles Air Line (which I'd forgotten about) just south of the incline. This still doesn't fix the problem of the Chicago Junction Railway, which should follow the line from the stock yards branch, parallel the main at Indiana, and follow the Kenwood branch. Adding the "exhCONTfq" adds that mostly empty column right back, but on the opposite side. That's still pretty undesirable.

Any ideas? Lost on Belmont ^3200N (talk) 16:53, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

 (uhdCONTffq). Useddenim (talk) 04:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Unicode android

I usually use the android app to read and edit wikipedia, but some characters just don't show up properly(there is just a square). I wander how I can solve itDegenerate prodigy (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, you can try downloading some extended fonts for Android that would include such characters (don't ask me where to find them, no idea). Otherwise, I don't know. Maybe there are some system patches. But replacing a character with a different one in a page discussing that character just so that it would show in your browser — that's certainly not the way to go. YLSS (talk) 14:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Three-way bridge addition

I don't wish to cause trouble, but this list is more for Y-shaped bridges than T-shaped ones. - Denimadept (talk) 04:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Is it? There are seven other T-bridges on that list, actually, including the exemplar Aioi Bridge. YLSS (talk) 11:01, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I know. There's a reason I didn't revert you. :-) There was a discussion about this a while back, and some T-bridges were removed, but not all. - Denimadept (talk) 21:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells Central Line

I have noted that your have rejected my edit on Three Bridges to Tunbridge Wells Central line diagram. The double junction of the line from Withyham joining the Ashurst to Eridge line and also the spur line to Groombridge was known as Ashurst Junction. I fail to see why you have deleted it. Steamybrian2 (talk) 21:26, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Because you should learn the basics of wiki-syntax before making such edits. And use the "Preview" button before clicking save. Have you noticed that your edit broke the link? Please be more careful. YLSS (talk) 21:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Wilts, Somerset and Weymouth Railway

Looking at your changes here (as I do just to keep up with things) it occurs to me that the "LSWR to Exeter" at Basingstoke and the "West of England Main Line" at Yeovil are the same railway. I wondered if a fader at each end and consistent labelling would make this clear. Britmax (talk) 09:39, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Like this? WRT labels, please change them yourself as you think would be fitting; I don't really understand them... YLSS (talk) 11:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:MOSMETRO-bull

Template:MOSMETRO-bull has been nominated for merging with Template:Rail-interchange. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Jc86035 (talk • contributions) Use {{ping|Jc86035}} to reply to me 04:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

MediaElwyn-infobox

I had that code before, and it gave me an arrow to a line that was still active. Since you're obviously better at this than me, could you add the no-longer existing Newtown Square Branch above Fernwood-Yeadon (SEPTA station) off to the right? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 01:05, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

 Done. Useddenim (talk) 02:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Template:Rail-interchange/doc‎

There was some discussion that Template:Rail-interchange should possibly be re-written in modules (which is not a bad idea), but that would require a lot of work, and probably discussion about adding/coordinating features from one city/country to another. (But that's a topic for a different day.) However, something that would be much simpler (and I doubt controversial) would be to split out the different countries in the {{Documentation}} into sub-pages ({{Template:Rail-interchange/doc‎/Russia}}, {{Template:Rail-interchange/doc‎/United States}}, etc.) to speed-up and simplify editing. My question to you is: Should the section headings (country names) be in the main document, or on each sub-page? (I can thing of arguments for either.) Useddenim (talk) 19:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

IMHO, in sub-pages, so that by clicking on [edit] next to a section users will be able to actually edit that section (in the sub-page) and won't be presented with a single line {{Rail-interchange/doc‎/United States}}. I suppose it's the more usual practice here... Also: maybe {{Template:Rail-interchange/doc‎/ru}}, /us etc. ? YLSS (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Infobox rdt

As I can't find anywhere that it says that the {{infobox rdt}} has been depreciated and as it works with BS-map allowing maps to be displayed in an infobox with out errors. I think your undoing of my work unnecessary. --Dkbottomley (talk) 21:08, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Just believe me that it is. Or, if you wish, consult Useddenim or Sameboat. The inline parameter of BS-map was introduced precisely to get rid of that additional template and handle everything via a single template. And please, don't add legend={{{legend|}}} and similar to templates: these parameters should only be used when necessary. If a diagram shows something other that a railway, then provide a legend=, otherwise let it be the default, and so on. Don't lead people into extra temptations. YLSS (talk) 22:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Dkbottomley: It's the first line of the template documentation, right below the title… Useddenim (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Chitchat

I no longer care about zh.wp because major zh village pump participants/admins refuse to update some important policies from en.wp like disambiguation and naming convention. I would only update articles there which really concern me like Moscow Metro. Otherwise I would rather let those guys take care themselves. I won't be mad if you look for other's help for the alignment template. I just don't wanna get involved with those guys anymore. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 01:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

This sounds similar to the problems Tuvalkin had with it.wp … Useddenim (talk) 15:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I even had forgot about that… We’re doing a good job, in general and on average; some specific aspect may be lagging or even unimproving, but the tide raised them all. Tuvalkin (talk) 04:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

New pictogram

moved to Commons:Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests#New pictogram

Greetings!

Don't worry about me. I'm not returning to the heckhole of a "project". The rotten mentality of many administrators therein is astonishing. Did you notice they even deleted my User page only AFTER they banned me? That's ridiculous at best. By the way, I wanted to address the local ones about returning me to my initial account (which was also blocked here I think). Does it really take six months before you can appeal to the AC? I never knew that... 96.127.241.239 (talk) 08:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Sofia Metro Blue line

Thank you for editing and bringing up to date my template. You seem to have done a nice job cleaning it up. I think it does look better in many ways, but there are a couple of things which I would like to discuss. It seems that you have moved the times (in minutes) in front of the stations' names. It seems awkward to me, because it looks as though it is part of the name (although in different colour). I would prefer to see the times at the most right-hand side. The other thing is I'm going to correct the extension at the end of the line with updated information. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verminclone (talk • contribs) 13:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, the timing is usually given in that small column to the left; cf. {{Eurostar}}, WP:Route diagram template#Icon and text row templates. Of course, nobody forbids you to move them to the right, but... many readers would expect them at the left. WRT the extension: the would be superb! YLSS (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I get your point, I tried putting 0:00 as in Eurostar, but it just drifted everything even further away from the line. So I just let it be. I also updated the red line Template:Sofia Metro Red line, check it out. Verminclone (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:MBTA stations

This template is not used by RDTs, so there is no potential problem there. It is specifically used by s-line succession boxes which will be stretched by forced long names. Secondarywaltz (talk) 14:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Erm, it is used in RDTs... YLSS (talk) 15:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Linked is not the same as used. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Did you notice the word "(transclusion)" in most rows? If you need, just check the code... YLSS (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Now I see how it is used in some places, but others just don't make any sense. I was trying to match the way the slash is shown in the name, because it is only entered that way in the Template to allow a line break. How it looks is really not a big deal as long as it does not force the Infobox width. I will leave that alone. Thanks. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Name of the station I changed is "Middleborough/Lakeville" not "Middleborough / Lakeville". Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I wholly trust you on this! YLSS (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

New icon for rint template - UP Express

Hi there. I see you have added logos for {{rint}} before. I was wondering if you could fulfill my request for a new icon for the upcoming Union Pearson Express? This train will enter service in June. Logo is here, just the UP portion of the logo will be fine. Thanks! --Natural R_X 18:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll reply at that page. YLSS (talk) 19:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks YLSS so much! I really appreciate your changes to my article Louise_Sauvage_Pathway. I wish I understood each one, but I can see an amazing dedication to detail.

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Hopefully YLSS merely falls victim of Russian government's ban on Wikimedia. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 06:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes; I noticed that he doesn't seem to have made any contributions since the end of April… (even on wp:ru) Useddenim (talk) 12:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Several redirects of yours are at RFD

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