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Nissan HR10DE/BR10/Renault B4D etcetera

Hello Wolle1303 - I have been trying to make sense of the various 1-liter three-cylinder engines made by Renault/Nissan/Dacia/Datsun/Mercedes. It seems to me that the "78mm" family engine HR10DE actually has a 71mm bore and 84mm stroke, see here for instance. This would make sense, as those are the dimensions of the Renault B4D engine, too, and this is likely the engine Nissan labels BR10DE in some markets such as India. The Nissan BR08, meanwhile, is an enlarged version of the BR06 engine developed by NMKV (Nissan/Mitsubishi's Kei-car joint venture). Do you have any sources for the 78/69.7 dimensions for the HR10DE? Everything I find online seems to mirror the WP article. Thank you, best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  07:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Mr.choppers:,

since Renault rarely used the 78mm engines and non of that 3 cylinders i do not have any proof for the existence of a 78mm 1.0 l engine. Would be best to ask someone in Brazil. Renault and Nissan are little coordinated, so it might exist. If the 72.2mm 1.0 name is HRA0, there should be a 78mm also.

What I do know: There is a third design of a 1.0 l engine. I didnt know that when i wrote my comment in the HR engine talk section. My comment at that time pointed to the fact that there is an engine family HR consisting of 2 different designs, one mainly for Renault and the other mainly for Nissan. Perhaps they have the same bore spacing and can be machined on mutual machines. Mercedes once indicated a bore spacing of 85mm which is pretty large for 72.2mm, big enough for 78mm bore. And I still feel its weird.

Name of the 3rd 1.0 is Nissan BR or Renault B engine. They are a further development of the 2nd generation Mitsubishi 3B20 engine and BR06/BR08 were first at almost the same time. The BR10/B4D is a bore x stroke 71 x 84mm design with 80mm bore spacing and slightly higher revs and ratings (1.0 n/a 58kW @ 6300 gas/petrol in brazil). The BR engine can easily be identified by an exhaust manifold incorporated into the head, and a waved shape of the lower edge on the front side of the valve cover. Appears the 1.2, 0.9 and 1.0 H series seen in Smart/Twingo and Kangoo are going to be replaced by the b series (3 cyl) and the delta headed 4 cyl. Renault states higher ratings for the Twingo but hard to believe they modify another engine to fit into the Twingo. car.info simplifies to cover they got confused, I feel no better. --Wolle1303 (talk) 10:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thank you. Here's something I just read:

A Nissan está usando no Versa o motor de 3 cilindros, 1.0 de 12 válvulas, o mesmo que equipa também o New March. Derivado do motor HR12, 1.2, utilizado pela marca em vários países, o HR10 foi desenvolvido exclusivamente para o mercado brasileiro pela engenharia da empresa. Produzido na fábrica da Nissan de Resende (RJ), o motor é compacto e leve graças ao número reduzido de peças em relação a um motor de quatro cilindros, e ao uso do alumínio no bloco e o cabeçote.

O motor HR10 utiliza componentes de baixo atrito e muitas peças foram nacionalizadas e preparadas para a utilização de etanol. O material das camisas dos cilindros, por exemplo, foi desenvolvido para taxa de compressão de 11,2:1, mais próxima do ideal para o uso de etanol. O volante e a polia de amortecimento foram balanceados com contrapesos externos para reduzir as vibrações características dos motores de três cilindros. Além disso, o isolamento acústico foi reforçado.

So at least the HR10 was only for Brazilians back in 2015. Here is a photo of it. Here is a little article celebrating the arrival of HR10 production in Brazil, and here is an entire article about the HR10 - none of which mention the engine's internal dimensions!!!

My question is, where does the B4D/BR10 engine come from? Is there a four-cylinder with those dimensions? Why are they so hell bent on developing a brace of nearly identical engines? Is BR just a name Nissan chose to slap on tiny engines developed by others? So many questions! Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  12:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I found proof! This doesn't fully confirm the 69.7 mm stroke, but pretty close: 78mm piston ring for HR10DE.  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Mr.choppers:,

Where does the B4 come from? The Mitsubishi 3B2 engine was a fruit of the cooperation between Daimler (DCX at that time) and Mitsubishi Motors. Mitsubishi intended to replace the old 3G8 engine but did not progress because the relationship to Daimler went south (and resulting lack of money I guess). With the help of Nissan, NMKV (and new money I guess) the 3B2 was modernized and changed from slanted to upright configuration to replace the 3G8 in 2013. Another modernization resulted in the B4D (=BR10) for the Dacia Sandero in Romania starting from 01/2017 and the same year for the Renault Kwid in India as BR08 (and most likely) in Brazil as BR10. Renault claimed imported Dacia parts are way to dear for an Indian car, so (1) the BR engine must be lowest cost and (2) I presume it is (among other places) manufactured in India and (finally) I doubt the 1.0 litre in the Kwid resp. in India is any type of an HR engine as seen here, it should be BR10. I further guess Clio V engines and the engines in the Twingo starting from 2018 are BR10, i.e. the BR10 replaced the HRA0 in Europe and the HR10 in Brazil.

Is/was there a 4 cyl? Never heard and does not make sense since the engine was intended for kei cars. Why such a bunch of engines? Id say why such a bunch of everything. Renault and Nissan partnered in 2000 but never became real partners yet. The 78mm HR is for Nissan, the 72.2mm HR for Renault (and Mercedes). For years both parties complained the lacking cooperation which should be improved starting from that time, to me it appeared as an never ending story. My knowledge about Nissan is pretty poor but my impression is too many engines (all sizes), too many cars, too many nameplates for a car. On top of that they got another load of engines from Mitsubishi including the 3B2. --Wolle1303 (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I think everything you say makes sense (well, as much as anything could make sense with all of these overlapping designs). I did find some articles stating that Renault was developing the B4D engine "from an existing 800cc engine"; so that has to be it. I created a redirect for NMKV BR engine, if you would like to start something I think this engine family deserves a proper entry. It is frustrating how little actual information there is on Indian websites; it's all the same few sentences regurgitated over and over again in thousands of websites. Best regards,  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:01, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Right, but it still is propaganda. The predecessor 3B2 was a 660cc AND 1.0 litre from the sketch. Seems to be the first time of a real cooperation since the Kwid and Dastun Redi-Go appear as 2 projects developed independently. --Wolle1303 (talk) 13:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• BR06 62,7x71,2 659cc [1]

JDM n/a 12:1 38@6400, 60@3600

JDM T 9:1 47@5600, 100@2400-4000

• BR08 69x71,2 India
• BR10 71x84

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• Spain: Alcobendas (CKD)

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Mercedes-Benz MB800 moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Mercedes-Benz MB800, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:34, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Onel5969, who are you? God or greater than that? I created this article because there are references pointing to it and this truck is widely unknown. I included all info I found with the help of google and added a note in the talk section how to search in google (otherwise it gets confused with the mb-trac). There is one citation (only) with the advantage of being in English. There are other sources but I do not understand (Turkish or whatever) and therefore I rejected to use. Everything is proofed by the source except the only conclusion I it: The 4.0 litre engine is the OM364 engine.

Without this article (as it is now as a draft) one could easily remove the red links believing this is a fault (unknown truck, not to be found in google => it did not exist), thus worsening these articles as well. The only chance to improve the MB800 article is to gather input from others, e.g. those who can understand Turkish or other near east languages. Furthermore, with a little effort I could find articles which are older and longer but with no better citation.

I do know the article is far from perfect, but who is? I would like to supply a better quality (but cannot), but I felt it is worth to be done for a better understanding. And finally, I hope somebody will improve it. --Wolle1303 (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Wolle1303, hi. You were told over 3 weeks ago that the article needed more references, you chose to do nothing about it. I could have nominated it for deletion, but felt it better to move it to draft, where you might work on it to improve the references and make it suitable for mainspace. See WP:GNG and WP:VERIFY to learn more about notability, and referencing. Not sure what you mean when you say you left a note in the talk section... there is no talk section, and the article does not have a talk page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 23:59, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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