User talk:Viriditas/History of Niihau

Questions for KAVEBEAR

Hi. I'm currently working on User:Viriditas/History of Niihau in my userspace. Since you've been actively involved with genealogies, I'm wondering if you have come across information about Kahelelani, Kaeo, Kawaihoa, the Battle of Pali Kamakaui, Kaiana, Kahekili, Kamakahelei and Kaumualii. I would like to incorporate the history of these people into the article. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I can, but some are already created. Like Kaumualii and Kamakahelei. And I don't seem to known anything about Kahehelani beside being the epiphet of the Island, Niihau-a-Kahehelani, or something like that. I don't seem how Kahekili has anything to do with Niihau's precontact history. Kaiana travelled to Canton China and bid with iron nails. Try this here, it'll tell you all about the figure you ask me about except Kahehelani, Kamakahelei and Kawaihoa. Just stroll down,

Read one of my Alii Aimoku of Kauai article. I think I wrote something about how Kauai and Niihau relation were like vassal and overlord.

Found it. It is on Ahukinialaa and the last paragraph. KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I read your History of Niihau, and it pretty good. Make sure to mentioned how the Niihau Aliis showed nominal allegiance to the King of Kauai. I keep hearing Kaeo was king of Niihau. But how did he end up on the island is a question to me. He was a Mauian royal who later contested with his nephew Kalanikupule over the Kingdom of Maui; he lost but was considered an King of Maui during his short time in power.

Kamakahelei is a very misty figure. She is mentioned plenty. But there not much on her. Her geneaology is messed up and the reason of her succession to throne of Peleioholani is a mystery. Fornander says she is overshadowed by her husband and son.

I don't know about the Niihauan chiefs being of the highest blood. But the Kauaian chiefs were the highest or bluest blood since they can trace their descent through the Maweke branch of the line of Nanaulu. The Niihauan chiefs and Kauaian chiefs were interrelated but no genealogies remain to show how.

Kahehelani! Add this in your history of Niihau

Kahehelani has the characteristic honour among the Hawaiians of having had his name affixed as a sobriquet to the island over which he ruled, and in epical and diplomatic language it was ever after known as Niihau-a-Kahehelani (Niihau of Kahehelani). I just changed a little letter here and their from this

Manokalanipo has the characteristic honour among the Hawaiians of having had his name affixed as a sobriquet to the island over which he ruled, and in epical and diplomatic language it was ever after known as Kauai-a-Manokalanipo. Are you sure he was the first; I only read that he is the most famous.

Check this site also. O Ni`ihau o Kahelelani, `o Ni`ihau i ke kiku (Ni`ihau of the chief Kahelelani, Ni`ihau of self reliance)

Kingdom of Kauai

Kauai and Niihau's chance and desire for independence didn't end with Kaumualii's marriage to Kaahumanu. The last attempt for independence was in 1824 when Kaumualii died and his son, George Humehume a.k.a. George P. Kaumualii, the low-ranking son of Kaumualii, attempt a rebellion. Kalanimoku and Hoapili and even Kaahumanu, probably, were the opposing forces. The rebellion failed and Humehume and his wife, [[Betty Peke]; and daughter, Harriet Kawahinekipi; were sent to Oahu. All the Native Kauaian chiefs were exiled and chiefs of Maui and Hawaii (island) replaced them. Humehume's commoner mother was named Niihau!

Queen Deborah

I not sure if she has anything to do with the rebellion, but she and Humehume hated each other, I believe. Deborah Kapule is the full name.

Queen Emma

Emma was envied for that Niihau shell necklace, made for her by the natives on that island. I wonder if the necklace is still entact and if it is at the Bishop Museum? Here is a picture

Liliuokalani

Under the hospitable roof of Mr. and Mrs. Titcomb we spent a restful night; and on the morning following, boarding the steamer James Makee, our party bade farewell to all the kind friends at Lihue. From thence we proceeded to the island of Niihau, and landing, spent a very pleasant day on shore. Every attention was rendered to us by the manager who had charge of the island under appointment from the Gays. Horses and carriages were placed at our disposal, with which we rode through the country, and on our return found that we had been provided, by the forethought of this gentleman, with a luncheon of nice fat mutton; and as we returned with excellent appetites and were a large company, it soon disappeared. When evening came on we returned by the steamer to Kalapaki, where Mrs. Rice had preceded us and had a surprise in readiness. A grand sea-bath was proposed, to which we all gladly assented; and with scarcely an exception we refreshed ourselves in the cooling waters. From CHAPTER XXXVII. MY HUSBAND MADE PRINCE CONSORT – HIS DEATH Only ever mentioned of Niihau in the book.

Discovery

Did Captain Cook ever land. HE spelled Kauai as Atoui, Niihau, he spelled Enecheeou. Did the Russian land here? KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Cook landed several times. The Russians did too, and it's a very interesting story. Thanks for reminding me to add this! Viriditas (talk) 22:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Didn't Cook leave two goats on the island and later found them dead because of a war between Kaneoneo and another Niihau chief.

Check this and search under Niihau. It not much but it mentions Kaneoneo and Keawe (grandsons of King Peleioholani of Kauai) constesting for Niihau; also Cook and King and their landing on Niihau. The goats left by Cook were killed in the contested between Kaneoneo and Keawe.

Vancouver landed on the island also.

Resources

Try reading this and even though there is only a limited preview, it gives a lot. KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC) Also I notice there is a Niihau chief name Puwalu. Too bad I got know clue who he is.

Try this site. It tells about Niihau yams

Yes, the information about Yams is important (they were used as currency) and I plan on adding it very soon. Thanks for reminding me! Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

See this if you want to expand on Niihau shells.

Mythical Beggining

I know this is mostly mythology but do you know how Niihau was created, according to the Hawaiians. I know the legend of Māui and his fishing of the islands from the bottom of the sea. But their are numerous that I probably don't know. For instance Oahu was the child of Pāpā and Lua, hence the ancient name Oahu-a-Lua (Oahu of Lua), and Molokai was the child of Wakea and Hina, hence the ancient name Molokai-a-Hina (Molokai of Hina). Just to let you know Oahu-a-Lua was succeeded by Oahu-a-Kakuhihewa in the 16th century. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Niʻihau was the child of Papa and Wākea, along with Hawaiʻi, Maui, Hoʻohōkūkalani, Kauaʻi, Lehua, and Kaʻula. I'm unsure of the source; it's here in my Hawaiian Culture "textbook", but the source is unclear. It could be from Native Land and Foreign Desires: Pehea Lā E Pono Ai? by Lilikalā Kameʻeleihiwa, which is listed above the list of Papa and Wākea's children. The citation may only refer to the summary of the Papa and Wākea story located above the citation.

Never mind, I'm fairly certain the information comes from Native Land and Foreign Desires: Pehea Lā E Pono Ai? by Lilikalā Kameʻeleihiwa. —Kal ^(talk) 08:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Future

If you ever plan on making History of Kauai, Oahu, Molokai, Maui, Kahoolawe, Lanai, and Hawaii Island. I can help. But on Kauai, Oahu, Maui and Hawaii Island, could you add a link for the Kingdom of whatever island the article is. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Pick one and start it. You are of course, welcome to help here as well. Viriditas (talk) 09:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)