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Simón Díaz list of deaths 2014

Simón Díaz was one of the most significant icon of Venzuela culture, and the most international folk musician of the country. Please, leave me to add him to the list of deaths of 2014.

Some sources: Billboard.com: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin-notas/5908518/simon-diaz-beloved-venezuelan-singer-dead-at-85

Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-venezuela-music-idUSBREA1I1CM20140219

Boston Herald: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/obituaries/2014/02/simon_diaz_85_beloved_venezuelan_folk_singer

NBC New York: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/NATL-Venezuelan-Folk-Singer-Simon-Diaz-Dies-at-85-246211791.html?akmobile=o&nms=y — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venlur (talk • contribs) 13:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Recent years. The guidelines state that the deceased must have at least ten Wikipedia articles in ten different languages for it to be included in the recent-year pages without any prior discussion. Simón Díaz does not fit the bill. If you think Díaz is sufficiently notable for inclusion, please make your case on the talk page. Continuously re-adding Díaz's entry with no consensus may result in you being blocked for edit warring. Regards, Randor1980 (talk•contributions) 14:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

template –

The reason I use the template is twofold. Neither of my keyboards have the "regulation" dash. Instead it has the shorter "-" which makes people crazy (yes we have some font fanatics amongst us). I can also hot key the function and it really makes no difference visually speaking on the page. If you like I can return to use the "-" like I used to and you can see for yourself the consternation, hand wringing and madness that will ensue. I took about a 3 month break there, but I usually will add 5 to 10 deaths a night (on a good night at least), so it will be apparent. We all have our idiosyncrasies.Sunnydoo (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Death Edit Reversal

Just wanted to drop you a line to explain what I did and why I did it. First off Speaker of the Vermont House is a good title...but being a Federal judge supersedes that office, but both need to be mentioned as they are important...as does his time on the bench for the Supreme Court of Vermont. If you feel the need to remove anything, remove the dates first.

Secondly, a Cabinet Minister-ship is way more important than being a MP, although both are major national positions and need to be mentioned. In English law-based countries many times the Cabinet Ministers are selected from within the body of Parliament and not outside of it such as the United States (for example John Kerry had to re-sign as Massachusetts Senator recently in order to take over the State Department). Some countries have the individual offices broken down, but Barbados does not. That is why it is linked to the entire Cabinet as a whole.

And the only one that probably needs to be chopped is Billings. The others all easily fit into the their line spacing.

If you have questions, fire away. Thanks.Sunnydoo (talk) 12:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The formatting and style you have used on Franklin S. Billings, Jr.'s entry is not only inconsistent but confusing. Office titles, awards, and other noteworthy achievements are listed separately with the date included in brackets. Billings' entry should be no different. As I said in this edit, I don't see the need to list every single office the deceased held, only the most important ones. Choose two and leave it at that. Regards, Randor1980 (talk•contributions) 15:03, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry. I have come to realize you may not be from the States. Let me explain it. For instance today if you do a search of Reubin Askew in your google search engine in the news section, you will see just about every search come up as "Former Governor." When you look at someone in the public eye, it is important that you address them by their highest title. The Notability section should start with their highest title. If you go and meet the President, you dont call him Mr Mayor even though he may have been Mayor at one point. You work with the highest office first. And in the States, that isnt always easy. For British territories it is a little easier because their ministers are also part of the legislative branch. But in the US, it can get confusing because our government is broken up into 3 equal branches at both the Federal and State level. Some State positions are higher (such as Governor) than some Federal positions, but usually it is the other way around. Doing a search can alleviate some of your discomfort.

As WWGB has often stated, the entries are as long as they need to be, but we try and keep it to 1 line on a standard display desktop computer. Yes it sucks for people who use mobile devices and tablets, but remember this is an online encyclopedia and some information is necessary. As for what offices qualify, any elected position or any confirmed position (mostly Judiciary branch positions) at the Senior level of State or Federal governments is unequivocally necessary because of the way the US Government is set up. A very incomplete listing would be Supreme Courts (Federal and State), Appeals Court (Federal and State), US District Courts, US Ambassadors, Federal Cabinet Level Secretaries (what British people would term Ministers) and Heads of Individual Depts (such as OSHA or the IRS as we had earlier this month), Governors (State), House of Representatives/Delegates (Federal and State) and Senates (Federal and State). It is extremely inappropriate for instance to list a Senate job someone had and not a House job because they are near equals in power under the Constitution (unlike British territories where there is a clear upper house and a lower house...they may be called that in the US, but most of the reasoning is for succession purposes and not because of power like the Senate has the power for all foreign treaties, but the House controls the power for all spending bills). It is why we have what are called Checks and Balances between the Branches and individual entities within them. Its not something where you can pick 2 like a Sports team and leave it at that. They wield a certain level of influence and respect in each of their political arenas. But I will tell you there is more prestige to being a Senator because on a State level they are elected every 4 years (6 in Federal system) while the House terms are 2 years in both State and Federal.

As for the House issue we had this morning. This is why I realize you are not from the States. People in the US dont walk around and say House of Representatives every time we mention our Representative or House member as we also call them. We say that he votes in the House. He is a member of the House. In Washington at our Federal level, they call it the House on the Hill instead of saying the House of Representatives on Capitol Hill. If you do a Google News search for any state...lets pick Tennessee...and do TN House or Tennessee House, I will guarantee you that you will find a bunch of related news stories. Is it a colloquialism? Yes probably it is...but the hooligans we have use the term "footballer" which is also a colloquialism and using House only where it needs to be abbreviated for shortness shouldnt kill anyone. The people who need to know what it means will know what it means.

I am not trying to be mean, this is very confusing. We start drumming it into our kids skulls in the 3rd grade. Usually by the 8th or 9th grade about 1/2 of them pick it up. I realize it probably is even more terrifically confusing for someone looking from the outside. But eventually you will get there. It took me almost 2 years working on the death project to pick up India's political system and I still have trouble on occasion getting the various cities and MLA districts exactly correct. The rule I use is start with Federal and work back. The Governor today is only an occasional hiccup. The best thing to do if you feel a political entry is too long and must be shortened is to remove the dates. If someone wants to know when their term was, they should read the article. Dates are only good for context- its always better to have content rather than context.

The Vermont guy was a little different than standard because he was involved in 2 different branches at 2 different levels. It is not something you see often. In fact there are probably less than 500 of those individuals I would guess in the US that have both Legislative and Judiciary backgrounds. Don't worry about understanding it as it is one of the outliers and not one of the standard types. (And by the way it was WWGB who formatted it that way and not me originally).

And one other topic for discussion, I cant stand the term you use "businessman"- it is plain, generic and can apply to about 5000 different vocations. I try to put the person in as specific terms as possible. Would you say for instance that Bill Gates and Hugh Hefner are both businessmen? Yes they are, but they are each part of vastly different fields and cultures. Gates is a billionaire involved in the tech industry as founder of Microsoft. Hefner is involved in publishing and is the founder of Playboy. Saying they both are "businessmen" when they have both made outstanding contributions to each of their fields is disgraceful. It doesnt take that much space to use the term technology executive or founder even than it does for businessman and it describes them much better and more exactly.Sunnydoo (talk) 14:02, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Citations

There has been an active discussion over the last several years regarding citations. I am not a plagiarist, nor will I help someone plagiarize. I was asked recently to at least put in the last name of the deceased and I am doing that. But putting in the title and using someone else's words at the bottom of the page without the full cite is plagiarism and I will not be a party to it. All of the information we use is available as public record (Country, Age, Cause of Death) and the notability should be apparent without having to use other people's words. As an example of a cite I did today on a page- ^ Pera, Eric (19 March) "Noted Landscape Painter Robert Butler Dies," The Ledger (Lakeland, Florida) 19 March 2014 11:14 am EST. http://www.theledger.com/article/20140319/NEWS/140319062 is how each and every entry should be tagged at the bottom. Otherwise the editor is opening himself and Wiki up to plagiarism claims and lawsuits.

I would also ask you to revisit the WP:Profane policy. Swearing in a gratuitous form on a public page goes against standing Wiki policy.Sunnydoo (talk) 06:09, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

United States courts of appeals

As you can see by the map, they are listed by number. Normally I would just put 3rd in there to keep shortened, but it fits. You dont need the entire proper name on the line...that is the purpose of the abbreviation. And if you look at the bottom of that link you can see each of the US District Courts. And like I said in my edit, most are broken up in the state by direction (except for the smaller states). We usually just designate those as US District courts with the direction and state name. Any ?s, just drop me a line. Thx.Sunnydoo (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

A little trivia that most Americans not familiar with the inner workings know...each member of the US Supreme Court is assigned a district based on the Appeals court system. If a stay of execution or other procedural case comes forth, they are the ones it is given to before the rest of the court weighs in if a "stay" is requested. My father actually back in the '60s and again in the '70s argued a couple of cases before the Supreme Court (but thats just a little family history ;]). He is long since retired now.Sunnydoo (talk) 13:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Message from SmartKB on edit on Malaysian Flight

Thanks for the message. Those edits on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were my first inputs. Will surely go through the forwarded links. Still, could you please provide an insight on what was the mistake I did which resulted in revert in editing. Was it the absence of username and date? Thanks. smartkb--Smartkb (talk) 17:53, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Military Officer

Check out February before you start talking smack. Petrov (1st), Husemann (2nd), Bain (5th) and so on and so on. And you need to learn to assume good faith. I dont appreciate the snideness. It is a community effort and sometimes things slip through. We dont like to use Officer titles in the front description because often times they are used in Titular offices. I found several others in February that were Title related and I have updated those too. Let me know if you find any more. Thanks.Sunnydoo (talk) 13:50, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

If you want to think of it like this, it is the exact same reason we use the term Prelate when dealing with a Clergy member. It makes no sense to say Italian Bishop, then say Bishop of Venice or wherever. As Wylie says, you are "over-Bishoping" the entry. One Bishop is all you need.Sunnydoo (talk) 14:28, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

And you can take it out further with politicians as well. For example we dont say English member of Parliament, MP for London or wherever.Sunnydoo (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Sorry, I forgot to thank you for warning the IP which vandalized my talk page! Thank you! Warrenkychu (talk) 07:59, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

why deletion

why you want deletion of page ashu gaba — Preceding unsigned comment added by James250 (talk • contribs) 12:46, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

If you go to your talk page and read this message, I'm sure you'll know why. Also, removing speedy deletion notices on pages you have created yourself is prohibited under Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion policy. Regards, Randor1980 (talk| |contributions) 13:03, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

no need of deletion

wikipedia allow celebrities articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by James250 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but only notable ones, I'm afraid. Randor1980 (talk| |contributions) 13:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

what preceding

give me the full reason with details of deletion of ashu gaba . i can try to resolve it — Preceding unsigned comment added by James250 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

There isn't much you can do. If you think the page should not be deleted, the least you can do is explain why on the talk page. The reviewing administrator will read your explanation and decide what to do before proceeding.

And please stop removing the speedy deletion tag on Ashu Gaba.‎ It is disruptive and does not help your case at all. Randor1980 (talk| |contributions) 13:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hi Randor1980, I have granted rollback rights to your account in accordance with your request. Please be aware that rollback should be used to revert vandalism, spam and blatantly unconstructive edits; using it to revert any other type of edit - such as by revert-warring or reverting edits you disagree with - can lead to it being removed from your account...sometimes without any warning, as some admins do not give a warning if they become aware of any misuse. If you think an edit should require a reason for reverting, use a manual edit summary instead of using the rollback tool. For practice, you may wish to review Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 16:16, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

CODE Management

Hey, Randor. I pulled the speedy tag off of CODE Management, as the creator claimed notability references on the talk page. However they're in dutch and I can't read dutch. A7 is no longer met, but G11 may be, as a promotional page. Do you think this should go to AfD, or that the author may be able to be helped make it a decent article? ⇔ ∫Æ_S dt @ 13:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Deaths in June 2014

Hi. Just a word to say that the entries in this article still read "latest-down-to-earliest" (30th to 1st), and I believe they should be "earliest-down-to-latest" (1st to 30th). Thanks. 86.112.67.18 (talk) 23:20, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes they should, but unfortunately the editor who transferred June's deaths from the main deaths page to Deaths in June 2014 did not arrange them in order, i.e. from the 1st through to the 30th. I'm sure this will be rectified when the regulars get around to it. Randor1980 (talk| |contributions) 14:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Mentioned to the editor who moved it here. — Wyliepedia 16:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

earthquake

Hi, can the article "2014 Wenping earthquake" be renamed as "2014 Ludian earthquake"? The epicenter was located in Ludian County, Yunnan, and many Chinese sources have referred to this earthquake as Ludian earthquake (魯甸地震). Qrfqr (talk) 12:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Randor1980- Just received your email that my page violates section G11 of the criteria because the page appears to be blatant advertising which only promotes or publicises a company, product, group or service. It's about a non-profit. What do I need to go to make it publishable? I'm new to posting on Wikipedia so more than appreciate any tips you can provide. Really appreciate your help on this and thank you for the red flag so quickly! AMSUS (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)AMSUS

Thanks a lot for your review.

Hi. the article you review and delete a minute ago is a translation of English article. So, I will save it in Japanese wikipedia. Thanks a lot for your review.

Deaths in 2014; August 31; John Crosslé

Hello Randor1980,

I note that you have reverted my edit on John Crosslé, to again include the "word" racecar. This word does not exist in any of the (5) dictionaries I own, nor in the on line dictionary found at http://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/american-english/?q=Racecar, although the dictionary found at http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/race-car?q=racecar shows it as being an entry in US English Dictionary but gives it as two words.

As I understand it Wiki does not favour the use of one form of the English Language over another, with the proviso that the nationality of the subject (if applicable) & consistency within the article should be taken into account. Page WP:ENGVAR refers. Also it seems that edited text should be allowed to stand, as long, of course, as it is understandable to all.

As it stands race car is an understandable term & I do not intend to edit it further although it seems there was no real need to alter it in the first place. Eagleash (talk) 15:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

In this instance, the word "racecar" is correct as it acts as an adjective to describe "driver" and "manufacturer". I see nothing wrong with the way it is presently spelt. Randor1980 (talk | contributions) 14:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Race car (2 words) is the accepted expression as I understand it in US English. UK English would be racing car. Though both are acceptable as far as Wiki is concerned. By the same token UK would say racing driver (which seems to be the accepted qualifier on disambiguation pages) whereas I have heard US English speakers use the term race driver; which would not look correct if put together as one word. I note you see nothing wrong with the way race car is "spelt" (that's the UK version of the US "spelled" BTW) despite the dictionary evidence. My original edit before the one you reverted used "racing car" as an adjective to describe both driver & manufacturer & as neither version of the language takes precedence, there was no need for it to be altered, although the nationality of the subject (in this case UK; Northern Irish), should be taken into account. Anyway let us not fall out over it. Americanisms do jar badly with us Brits sometimes (or do you still call us "Limeys"?). Regards.Eagleash (talk) 10:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Writing "racing driver/car manufacturer" as you did here is, in my opinion, a bit verbose seeing as "racecar" (or "race car") is much more succinct. (That's why I changed it.) And for the record, I don't have a problem with using "race car" (two words) to describe "driver" and "manufacturer", albeit not as grammatically correct as "racecar" (or even "race-car"). But hey, that's just what I think; you don't have to agree with me. Regards, Randor1980 (talk | contributions) 13:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Well that was actually my second attempt, as it were, the first said (from memory) "racing car driver & manufacturer" which would be correct in UK English. So there we have it, "divided by a common language" as they say. Both are acceptable to Wiki & shouldn't be altered, subject to various conditions as previously discussed. Shouldn't take offence...I mean offe....on 2nd thoughts...never mind :P RegardsEagleash (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Empty sections

Hi Randor1980: I have WP:Pages needing translation into English on my watchlist and today was the second time I've seen you deleting the date as an empty section before the day is finished in UTC, which is what we use here. (The other was Sept. 1.) I note you are in Australia, but please hold off till the date flips in UTC, as there may be additional entries. OK? Thanks! Yngvadottir (talk) 14:58, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Will do. I had forgotten that it was still the 6th in 85% of the world. Regards, Randor1980 [T~C] 15:45, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Iori Furukawa

There's a name warrior at Iori Furukawa, thought you should check it out since you moved it. Thanks, BethNaught (talk) 14:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've left this message on the IP's talk page. Regards, Randor1980 [T~C] 15:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

can you please delete Alliance_Global_Group

Can you please delete the page Alliance_Global_Group page?

• It's not a notable company.
• It doesnt even have enough sources for citation.
• No newspaper has mentioned about this company.

can you please check and delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baxzius (talk • contribs) 08:46, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

@Baxzius: I cannot delete the page as I am not an administrator. You may, however, nominate the article for deletion if you believe the article does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organisations and companies. Regards, Randor1980 [T~C] 10:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

@Randor1980: :@MusikAnimal: I cannot delete the page as I am not an administrator. this article does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organisations and companies. Please inform heroes of wikipedia Regards, baxzius

About the name "Furukawa Iori"

You said in the previous message that "Her Japanese birth name is 古川いおり, which is Iori Furukawa in English", but how did you know her birthname is pronounced as "furukawa" and not "kogawa"? (If you are not Japanese and thinks 古川 can only be pronounced as "furukawa", that is wrong. Because Japanese kanji can be read in many ways. 古川 may be read as "furukawa" or "kokawa" or "furugawa" or "kogawa", etc.) Actually, before debuting as an AV idol, she went by the name of 村木美帆 (Muraki Miho) which is said to be her real name. (You can see this name on her old blog page (http://ameblo.jp/summer-memories/)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.55.25.105 (talk) 06:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

--- I reedited the article again. If you want to revert it, do it. I don't care any more. But the fact is her name is "kogawa" not "furukawa", and it is not her birth name as you argue. Your thinking that 古川 is automatically translated into "furukawa" in English is wrong, too. You don't seem to have any knowledge of the Japanese language, and if you don't, you had better not pretend you know something. My advice is you should do more thorough research before writing an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.55.25.105 (talk) 11:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If you had bothered to take a look at the page's edit history, you would have discovered that shortly after creating the page in July, I moved the page from "Iori Furukawa" to "Iori Kogawa" before moving it back to the original title (Iori Furukawa), which I now realise, thanks to you, was a mistake. (You'll be happy to know that I have since corrected my blunder and moved the page to Iori Kogawa.) By the way, I never asserted that 古川 = Furukawa, I was merely going off by the Google translation as (you guessed it) I don't speak Japanese. Also, pretending? Oh please! I wasn't pretending to be knowledgeable in anything, I screwed up! There is no need to be snide. Randor1980 [T~C] 15:43, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Reyhaneh Jabbari

Hello, you corrected my revision for Reyhaneh Jabbari. I carefully chose "murder convict" in order to express the doubt that she actually commited a crime defending herself, i.e. she was a convict but was she also a murderer. If you defend yourself, and kill somebody in defense of you life, you will not be punished. That is the case the protesters against her execution claimed. I hope you understand. Royalrec (talk) 23:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)