Stevewake1962

The edit-comment on this edit is not okay. We do not treat other contributors like that. Please be aware that you might be banned if you continue. Evalowyn (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I hope you have seen the reply on my talk page. Evalowyn (talk) 17:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Quest on TVCatchup

How do explain that the channel is broadcasting right now? - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 09:24, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

It isn't broadcasting Quest, it is showing the shopping channel which if you look at the listings on sky show a completely different schedule. The shopping channels are used as fillers on many channels such as Five USA etc.... I repeat this is not Quest being broadcast at all.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewake1962 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter what your job is or who you know, all editors on Wikipedia are equal. Having checked on Sky, Freeview and TVcatchup, Quest is broadcasting the same thing (teleshopping for an ahhbra) although the EPG indicates Cash Cab. Yesterday also has a 24 hour stream on Freeview. So are you suggesting that teleshopping shouldn't be considered towards the broadcast hours or that Quest doesn't have a 24 hour stream on Freeview (and therefore TVCatchup)? - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 09:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely, and we must adhere to the Freeview broadcasting hours and it states that the channel Quest broadcasts from 11am until 1am the same for Yesterday which broadcasts on freeview from Channel 12 (06:00 - 03:00) according to their official page.

Yesterday http://www.freeview.co.uk/Channels/Entertainment/Yesterday Quest http://www.freeview.co.uk/Channels/Entertainment/Quest

TVCatchup ONLY broadcasts freeview channels Quest is showing a completely different programme to TVCatchup right now http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewake1962 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely what? TVCatchup does broadcast some channels that are not available on Freeview. As Quest must be coming from Freeview/DTT because it's encrypted elsewhere, I'd suggest that it should follow List of digital terrestrial television channels (UK) for consistency. As I said I checked Sky and Freeview, although the EPG indicates Cash Cab, both are broadcasting teleshopping (now Space Bag). Cash Cab is also listed on http://www.freeview.co.uk/TV-Guide. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 10:22, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay I give up, you seem to want to own the page so I will leave it up to you as I have better things to do. I deal with facts not ego - this is the trouble with Wikipedia that it is edited by amateurs and not professionals who know what they are talking about. I will speak to TVCatchup to adjust their EPG so that the channel shows offline between 1am and 11am, the same as Yesterday does. edit: edit done, the channel will now show offline between those hours as is stated by freeview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewake1962 (talk • contribs) 11:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You say that, then you accuse me of breaking WP:OWN, add an insult (again) and pretty much ignore everything I've said. The TVC guide still says the channel will be on during the hours that you think it won't be,[1] as does the guide on Freeview's website. I'm willing to accept the exclusion of teleshopping from the broadcast hours as that is generally the case with most of the larger channels that have fixed hours for it but according a number of guides that is only between 8:00 - 11:00[2][3][4][5] and not your suggested 01:00 - 11:00 (pre-30 June 2011 Freeview closure hours). - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 13:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You do what you want as I said you wish to own the page, I am telling you that on TVCatchup the channel WILL go off at 1am which is what it is designed to do under freeview conditions. You keep telling yourself that you are right and maybe one day you will be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewake1962 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

That's a serious accusation and not the first time you've made it, remember to stay calm, assume good faith, and remain civil. Accusing other editors of owning the article may appear aggressive, and could be perceived as a personal attack. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 02:00, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It is not an "accusation" it is a fact, you seem to have very little knowledge in this subject and you stumble along providing inaccuracies all over the place, yet when you are challenged by somebody who works in the industry you are right and they are wrong - rather strange way to go about things. Yes I have been frustrated, but that is only when I see such a level of bad information being given to people of which I know for a fact to be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewake1962 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 11 December 2011‎

December 2011

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Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:Evalowyn. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 02:00, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

They are not personal attacks they are comments - a personal attack would be if I punched you on the nose, but I have no reason to do so. It's the internet guys, get real...!!! Or are you really that sensitive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewake1962 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 9 December 2011‎

Wikiquette assistance

Hello, Stevewake1962. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

We're amateurs who build an encyclopedia

Yes, Wikipedia is edited by amateurs, and it's been very successful. Over time, there have been lots of policies, guidelines and suggestions for how a bunch of amateurs can build an encyclopedia. Best place to start is with the five pillars. Generally we like to give new editors a fair amount of slack until they learn the ropes, but I strongly suggest you tone down the aggressive rhetoric. Yes, it's the internet, but each web site is entitled to set their own terms of service. Gerardw (talk) 22:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay I take your point although it maybe slightly OTT and a bit overly defensive and yes I was a bit frustrated with the level of misinformation going on here and for that frustration I apologise.

Don't you want facts rather than subjunctive thinking? As I said I work in this field and have done for the last ten years - not for TVCatchup I may add just in case you slap some neutrality clause on me, and if you know for 100% that someone has made a mistake and you try to show him that it is a mistake by quoting the relevant official page, yet it is ignored and they still keep on making the same mistake are you to leave it? Surely Wikipedia wants correct information on its site? 17:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)Stevewake1962 (talk)

Absolutely. Since we rely entirely on volunteers, and we have no way of verifying the correctness of volunteers, we rely on sources. I know it can be frustrating to know something is true and not simply be able to add it or change it, but you can see how anyone could claim any credentials they want. So we rely on experts to both know the facts and know where the sources are that back up the facts. I honestly did not look at the content part of the dispute very much, but I've looked at the article. The thing that jumps out at me is there are no sources on it. I added a link to the talk page which I think is one good source, so please join the discussion there and we can get this squared away. Gerardw (talk) 22:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)