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I've fixed the formatting on the picute in the article and commented at the help desk, the JPG part of the tag needed to be caps(case sensitive), regards -Dureo (talk) 11:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Spencer Perceval

Thank you very much for your edit. I had long loved Henry Adams's paraphrase of Smith, but now we've got the original. Fatidiot1234 (talk) 15:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	I hereby award this barnstar to editor Southdevonian for excellent work improving our Kett's Rebellion article. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, well done Southdevonian. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Dates

Hi Sd. Re your last edit [1] - the chronology now seems to jump back from 1st August to 24th July? Is that correct? I don't have any sources to hand, so it's hard for me to confirm. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. Have I missed a stray July?Southdevonian (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you're right. Perhaps "By 8 am the following morning .." could be "By 8 am the following morning, 1 August, .." ? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I am leaving the Attacks section for the time being and am going to work on Aftermath and Legacy sections. I am slightly worried about the Attacks section. It was all added by someone who didn't log in or didn't have an account and they don't seem to have edited anything else Special:Contributions/80.229.11.145. They didn't provide any sources and I am worried it might have been copied from somewhere.Southdevonian (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your work on Marjory Stephenson - it's always a delight to see a major expansion like this! Andrew Gray (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I guessed that might be the case - someone created another article after the BBC ran a news story on the event this morning, too :-)

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Hi. I dropped a note at WP:COMP about this, also linked to from talk pages of WP:WMNHIST, WP:ENGINEERING and WP:SCIENCE. -- Trevj (talk) 09:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Out of curiosity...

I wanted to know how things are handled here - usually I'm around the German Wikipedia. Last week I added a source to John Nichols Thom and you reverted it because as you wrote there's no need for an EBSCO login to an already referenced text. I would agree of course but the text I added has not previously been referenced here and I couldn't find another source apart from the EBSCO one. I'd love to learn so: could you explain to me if you'd still delete it and why? Thank you! Sheila 141.20.82.167 (talk) 09:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sheila. I don't quite understand - you did not actually add any text to the article. Unless I missed something? As far as I could see, you just added a reference where there was no need for one because the existing text was already referenced.

In general in Wikipedia Secondary sources are preferred to primary sources. So for example in the John Nichols Thom article the main sources are books. The events in which Thom was involved were major news at the time and so there were many newspaper articles (primary sources). It might be worth quoting from a newspaper article if it contained something that was not covered in the books but I think this would be unlikely as the authors of the books researched their subject thoroughly. I imagine (cannot be sure as I do not have access to the volume) that the article in The Christian Messenger and Repository of Religious, Political, and General Intelligence, for Nova Scotia and New Brunswick was copied from a British newspaper and so it would be better to quote from the British version if there was anything worth adding.Southdevonian (talk) 17:14, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanation! That explains some things to me I was not aware of (e.g. the preference of secondary over primary sources). And I'm really happy that you answered because I actually want to learn these things. So: Thanks again! - Sheila 141.20.82.167 (talk) 15:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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I suggest you strike D Lazard from your accusation of being an SPA in your statement at ANI as it is clearly inaccurate; see that editor's edit history. He has been editing wikipedia for years and has ten times the number of edits that you do. You might feel his edits are on one particular side of an issue, but that does not make the account an SPA. Schazjmd (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

I was forgetting he does maths as well. Will rephrase.Southdevonian (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

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The editor who inserts the tabloid material with an account and two (or more) different IP addresses has already been blocked from the page as far as the IP addresses are concerned and the account is being investigated. Southdevonian (talk) 09:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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@Bastun: Thank you. I have added a couple of projects. All ready for if he wins the Epsom Derby on Saturday! Southdevonian (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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A Chance to Consider recent changes to Spencer Perceval article

@Southdevonian I have been notified that you have reverted some recent edits that I made regarding the article Spencer Perceval due to unsupported or unbased sources. Please don’t take this as a offence, but I have to reach a point of understanding between both of us regarding this issue without it getting into a dispute. The reason for this issue was that I could get some sources wrong because in certain situations, because while doing research and reading information on certain topics I could misleadingly (not intentionally) mix up a couple of sources here and there. It is difficult already when you are reading whole articles and book abstracts, then have to re-align with facts and information to be written in an appropriate way. So I ask you that you restore the reverted edits temporarily until I find the necessary sources. It would be very obnoxious to undo your edits out of frustration and overrule your statements regarding major errors. I hope that we could cooperate together as a team in this case. Thank you. Davecorbray (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

If it had just been a couple of sources that got mixed up, I would happily have sorted them out. I spend quite a lot of my time on Wikipedia fixing references and supplying sources. But when I came to look at your additions I noticed a pattern emerging: a passage of text that reads more like an essay is followed by a reference to a random academic article. Nearly all of them don't even mention Perceval (or the period of his premiership) and certainly don't support the text you added. I think it would be a good idea, if you want to work on the article, to keep to sources that are actually about Perceval or at least contain a significant amount of relevant material. It is always up to the editor who inserts text to supply the sources. Southdevonian (talk) 17:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

But the thing here is that, you reverted edits that might specifically mention him. So like in the Attorney General section or legal career. It does not require to directly mention him as far as I know. If you are indeed aware of the time period or history in which he lives, that should be counted as containing links to Perceval, since he lived during that time. So it is a bit odd that since you are someone who only fix references and sources (no offence), you should consider at least knowing that although some of the sources doesn’t mention him directly, at least the history about the period between 1790 and 1806 alludes more significantly to his own reference in any way. So again I ask you that you kindly consider undoing your previous reverts. This information is indeed important to any reader who is interested. Thank you again. Davecorbray (talk) 17:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Clarification: when I said "I spend quite a lot of my time on Wikipedia fixing references and supplying sources" I meant that I spend part (not all) of my Wiki-time fixing refs and supplying sources. I also copy edit and create content.Southdevonian (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Davecorbray, I think you might be unclear as to how sourcing requirements on Wikipedia differ from academic expectations. For a Wikipedia article, you should only summarize what reliable sources have already said; you can't extrapolate sources about that period to make claims specifically about Perceval (see WP:OR). For example, in your first paragraph, you write:

Perceval’s tenure coincided with a period of considerable social unrest, characterised by widespread dissatisfaction with economic conditions and the influence of radical ideas emanating from the French Revolution. This was applied particularly for his rigorous enforcement of laws against sedition, his efforts to suppress publications that incited public disorder and his prosecution of members of the United Britons and United Irishmen.

The sentence that starts "This was applied particularly for his rigorous enforcements..." is making a claim specifically about Perceval (not about the time period) and your source doesn't mention Perceval, French Revolution, sedition, United Britons, or United Irishmen. You need a source that specifically talks about Perceval's enforcement of laws against sedition...efforts to suppress publications...prosecutions of... to support that sentence. (The sentence is also ambiguous: this was applied doesn't make sense; what was applied? The preceding sentence gives no noun that works with applied.)

You might find it helpful to read the policy on verifiability. It begins: In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it. When you add content citing a source that does not explicitly support the content that you are adding, you are violating that policy, and it casts doubt on all of your edits when other editors see that you are adding unverified content. I hope this helps.

References

Schazjmd (talk) 18:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

If the text does not come from the sources, then where does it come from? Is it AI generated? Southdevonian (talk) 22:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Recent reverts

@Southdevonian I have witnessed recently that you are reverting edits that I made more than a month ago, back when I didn’t either use ChatGPT or any AI-generated content. This is unfairly being removed on the grounds of AI-generated text, which is not true. I wrote those words in Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, Thomas Pelham-Holles, 1st Duke of Newcastle and Charles Watson-Wentworth, 2nd Marquess of Rockingham on my own and this is unjustified despite your justification being it’s “AI-generated”. Please don’t revert edits that you yourself have no idea whether or not it’s AI or my own. This is not a threat or warning, I just don’t want someone removing edits that I made last month for apparently a mistake that I made while using a certain language and sources. For which, I apologised. The wholesome removal of valuable information is something I can’t stand. Please do not take this sort of action just because of your personal feelings and suspicions. Please reverse your course and restore the information that I made on my own without any “AI”. Davecorbray (talk) 18:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Misleading accusations and false claims are not a way to engage in disputes

@Southdevonian I have tried to engage with you in a civil manner and resolve this issue altogether without any major problems. But now I feel more and more threatened and uncomfortable about the fact that you deliberately or unknowingly have been trying to sabotage me and my work relentlessly by reverting my edits. Your accusations does not address the fact you are removing old information from articles that I have made by weaponising a mistake that I made a week ago. This will inevitably cause some serious consequences in the future for you in the future ahead I’m afraid. Davecorbray (talk) 19:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Davecorbray

I see that Davecorbray has now been indeffed. No surprise there. I'm not a historian, but I suspect that his other contributions need to be reverted – my quick look at John Russell, 1st Earl Russell convinced me that they can't be trusted. Maproom (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Maproom: . I will work my way through them. ChatGPT definitely needs to brush up on its history. Southdevonian (talk) 17:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

A question

I'm curious. In this edit, you changed the text so that instead of saying that the person "is the co-founder of Autonomy Corporation", it says they are "known as the co-founder of Autonomy Corporation". What motivated that change? 131.251.10.15 (talk) 09:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

I probably just wanted to join two short sentences, while following the instructions in MOS:BIO for contents of first sentence including "One, or possibly more, noteworthy positions, activities, or roles that the person is mainly known for, avoiding subjective or contentious terms". Do you think it reads ambiguously - suggesting that he isn't really the co-founder of Autonomy? I will change it back - no problem. Southdevonian (talk) 10:05, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

It just struck me as a decidedly odd way to phrase a factual statement, and one that introduced many ambiguities and uncertainties. Like, known to who? And would would even know who knows such things? And indeed, does it imply that he wasn't actually the co-founder? So I just wondered if there was some particular reason to want to phrase it that way. Thanks for your answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.251.10.15 (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Restoration of a CSD tag an admin declined

In reviewing a request at WP:REFUND, specifically in regards to Premiership of Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool, I noticed that you reverted @Asilvering's decline of the G5 CSD tag (diff for admins). If an admin declines a CSD tag you do not re-add the same CSD tag and hope another admin comes along to process it, that's inappropriate and considered WP:ADMINSHOPPING. I understand it resulted in deletion this time, which I actually very much disagree with after looking at the edit history, but in the future, please do not restore CSD tags that have been declined by admins. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)