User talk:Sophie means wisdom/Archive2008

Edward Tudor-Pole

Just finally caught up with your June entry on my discussion board about edward Tudor Pole and dubious claims to the Tudor/Tudor-Pole Lineage. Even if we can't connect (or disconnect) Ed to the Tudor-Pole family itself... is there any sources or items you can give me with regards to the Tudor-Pole family themselves, in what way are the related to the Tudor Family? How well known are the "official" Tudor Pole members? Anything you could tell me would be greatly apreciated.--Dr who1975 (talk) 16:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

FitzMartin, etc...

Hi there. Any idea when you'll be able to post the Totnes documents? And happy new year! Fergananim (talk) 20:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Removal of {{tooshort}} tag on Conservapedia

People often remove this from article pages claiming it 'messes up the page'. Now you're removing it from a talk page. If you're going to do that, put it on the article page so I don't have to come and clean up. Thanks. Richard001 (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it was just someone being random, erather than putting it on the wrong side of the page. Oops. Totnesmartin (talk) 14:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

FitzMartin

Hi there. Any idea when you could pass on the photocopies? Let me know if you are unable to do so. Fergananim (talk) 12:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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gnateater images

I think perhaps my tone was snappy, if so, I didn't mean it to be. When I found a free image of them I was so happy, since so many bird species and even families are hard to find images for, and I wanted to try and convey that. I look forward to having a better image, and one will come along eventually. We're getting more and more birders contributing images, so it'll just take time. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Snappy? I didn't spot it - but then Wikipedia is the politest wiki I do. However, apology accepted. Totnesmartin (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Notable figures of the 1980s

I have nominated Notable figures of the 1980s, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Notable figures of the 1980s. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Pichpich (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Your question

You asked a question about a year ago on Wikipedia talk:WikiElf about how the gnomes, fairies, elves, and trolls got their names, yet nobody answered you. Here I am to say, "It was random." Useight (talk) 02:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Doctor Who newsletter, March 2008

	The Space-Time Telegraph
	The WikiProject Doctor Who newsletter
	Issue 1	March 2008
Project News We have five new participants: Sm9800, Seanor3, T saston, Type 40, Jammy0002. One editor has left the project: StuartDD. The Doctor Who portal has expanded to increase the number of selected stories to 33. Articles of note New featured articles None New featured article candidates Voyage of the Damned (Doctor Who) (FAC) New good articles Dalek (Doctor Who episode) Astrid Peth Delisted articles None Proposals A proposal for changing the layout of the episode pages is under way here. A discussion about the formatting of the cast lists in episode pages is under way here. A discussion to move United Nations Intelligence Taskforce to UNIT is under way here. News The Torchwood project has become a task-force under the project's scope. The Torchwood series 2 finale airs on 4th April, and the 4th series of Doctor Who will start to air on 5th April. For the Doctor Who project, Sceptre (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC) You have received this letter because you are on the newsletter recipients list. To opt-out, please remove your name.

Bishopsteignton

Hi,

Just wanted to confirm that the shop of Bishopsteignton is pronounced "shoop" and that there is no stress on the steign, as we have it now. kwami (talk) 17:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Culm Valley Light Railway and Toller railway station

I've just written a stub on the Culm Valley Light, see what you think. Also, as you live near Totnes (tho' you may not be there at the moment) could you take a picture of the building at Littlehempston station and put it on the Toller railay station page, as that is its origin? Thank You!! Britmax (talk) 09:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

You might know me better as quercus Andy Dingley (talk) 01:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Help

LOL Thanks for your note on the Wicca rock. Umm. Yes. I was warned about two things on Wikipedia. Music and Religion. I am afraid I have screwed things up for a lot of people and got many articles scheduled for deletion. I wrote the article about Wicca rock on my own. I got the Wikipedia idea from a developer I know in Toronto who works with me on DbMail. He is wiccan too. (I am Wicca and vegan as you can imagine.) It's nothing like witchcraft and there are a few of us who admire the emergence of Wicca with a focus on ecology and feminism and less of a sprint for the witchcraft door. The Wicca music I write about is popular among a bunch of students I know at Oxfordshire and in Boston (the connection is family heh heh) Well the only reference I could find was a group of people in Canada who surround Themis music and a chick who runs the band and the studio and the 'band camp' school. It's a good thing and just bounding forward underground among teens and Uni students. Veganism and Wicca. No witchcraft. No spells. I am pushing awareness to it. Encyclopedia's should cover the widest range, not just the mainstream. The fact that Christians have their gospel music and so on should be enough that we can have ours. hahahahha dumb logic, right? Oh well.

"Big Mistakes" Well. I wrote an artcile just like I have done for Tech articles and someone comes along and randomly makes a change. I agrre and nuff siad or I disagree with the change but am compromising on certain aspects so I revert the change and edit to please the changer. :s Then in the case of this music thing I get threatened and yelled at for not respecting the almightyness of those who are almightiest. Sri but I am new on the music and religion side and I have no idea of pecking order or politics. I think that Wicca rock is cool and its ok to talk about it. I know we have a bad rep over the years but things are getting better. I would like to have an article Wicca rock started and maintained by a wide range of people who are interested in the topic. So far what I have seen on Wikipedia though is that newbies write articles and editors bicker amongst themselves to get the newbies' articles deleted. And then i read that congressmen in the USA and political campaigners get a free rein and can write whatever trash they want for elections. hahahahah go figure.

If you have any advice for me, I would greatly appreciate it. nymphetamine_labyrinth@hotmail.co.uk I suspect that Wicca rock will be deleted. As somone pointed out in the deletion thread its a small religion and doesn't have a lot of music like the christian music and gospel rock etc.

If you have a moment maybe you wouldn't mind checking the Wicca rock article for me and letting me know your opinion. Drop it? Find a better place (category) for it? Notability? (I think that unless Jesus walks across the pond and nods approval of Wicca rock, Wikipedia is not going to either. hahahah)

many thanks to you blessed be Joshua nymphetamine_labyrinth@hotmail.co.uk

How about Julian Cope? I see this as a real category and worthy of an article, but I'm not so keen on its current definition as "Cheerful Canadians with a particular guitar style". Andy Dingley (talk) 13:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Devon

Hi, when you use the WPDevon banner on talk pages it now has a class rating and importance for the WikiProject instead of the suggestions bit. e.g. {{WPDevon|class=Stub|importance=Low}} . More information can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Devon/Assessment. bsrboy (talk) 17:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Well you'd better update the template on the project page cos that's where I copied it. Totnesmartin (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for notifying me! bsrboy (talk) 17:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Blimey that project moves fast nowadays! Are sure you're Devonian? :) Totnesmartin (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

You can still add assessment comments/areas for improvement in the /Comments part of the talk page, if you want. E.g for Exmoor go to Talk:Exmoor/Comments. I don't add comments each time, because I just don't have the time. bsrboy (talk) 13:19, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Just for your information... There is a new assessment class, C-Class. It's between Start and B class. bsrboy (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I added the questions marks with the minimal syntax bit. They were representing that you enter in the class and importance yourself, not actually copy and pasting the question marks to it. It's my fault for not making it clear enough on the project page, but just so you know either don't include the question marks or better yet rate it yourself. Thanks! bsrboy (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh bum. I don't usually do rating, so I didn't spot that. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I'll get round to it some way or another. 182 more to go! bsrboy (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know I nominated the English Riviera Geopark for the Did you know template on the Main Page here. bsrboy (talk) 18:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know I nominated it 4 days ago! Totnesmartin (talk) 19:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha! I know I shouldn't, but this made me laugh. I'll support your nomination instead. bsrboy (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

If we could all laugh at our mistakes the world would be a better place! although not much would get done :D I think the nomination is safe, it's already been scrutified and passed. I notice we both went for the same hook - amazing to think that Torbay is unique! Totnesmartin (talk) 19:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep! I've already added it to the Devon Portal's Did you know...? bsrboy (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

List of wards

Do you reckon this has got any potential for the Did you know? section? bsrboy (talk) 00:48, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Although lists can be accepted for DYK, I really can't see this one going through as it is. It doesn't appear to beat the minimum character count (can't remember what that is just yet, I'm only just up... need...coofee...). Also, I can't see where an interesting "hook" can be found. Is there any historic or geographic information that can be added to flesh it out? If you can't find this it might be better not submitting the list.

• Proposed lists should have two characteristics to be considered for DYK: (i) be a compilation of entries that are unlikely to have ever been compiled anywhere else (e.g. List of architectural vaults), and (ii) have 1,500+ character non-stub text that brings out interesting, relational, and referenced facts from the compiled list that may not otherwise be obvious but for the compilation.

I've expanded it more. The article is over 5,000 KB, but the lead is over 1,500 words, which is sufficent according to this criteria. Maybe something about Moor view? E.g. Did you know that Moor view will be a new constituency in Plymouth next year? bsrboy (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

That's it! All you need now is for an inline citation for the fact in the hook (probably page and paragraph number for that boundary committee document). Totnesmartin (talk) 12:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done, Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on July 20. Have fun in the countryside! bsrboy (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Years

Hey! I noticed your recent interest in the 1980s article and wondered if you'd like to join our project and help us improve and set up standards for decade articles. Wrad (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Well I've been interested in the 1980s since, ooh, 1980 :D but yeah, see you at the project! Totnesmartin (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

If you'd like to put up a post on decade articles on the talk page I'd be interested in where you think decade articles should be headed, my experience is mainly with year articles 1345 and 1346. I'm gonna pull back and do 1340s eventually. Wrad (talk) 21:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

My interest is more in periods of history rather than years and decades as such, but if you need someone to look after decade articles I'll take it on (he said foolishly). Totnesmartin (talk) 21:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. I'm interested in older periods myself and just wondered if you had run into any snags in your 1980s work to be aware of. Wrad (talk) 21:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

The main snags I encountered were: popular culture fancruft - for instance there were two different sections of lists of pop music acts (not really a problem for 1346), a massive bias towards the USA (also not a problem for 1346), and various bits of comment, people inserting things which were too minor for a decade article, etc. The main thing to watch for is people and events being put in that are too minor/precise for a discussion of the general period of time they happened in, and opinion dressed as fact (WP:WEIGHT might be useful here). So if in doubt, ask yourself: does this fact truly belong in a 32k article? what does it push out? Totnesmartin (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That's one thing I like about older stuff. It's so nice and quiet! Wrad (talk) 21:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Some concerns about recent year articles have been raised on the project talk page. Wrad (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

English Riviera Geopark

On 11 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article English Riviera Geopark, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Well done, you make me proper proud to be Devonian! bsrboy (talk) 21:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Even if I was born in Cheltenham! Totnesmartin (talk) 06:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Totnes, hm?

I've stayed there. Lovely castle! ;-)--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 20:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I love devon. Pity I'm going to bulgaria soon...:( Oh well Bulgaria is AWESOME too!

Referencing

Hi Martin. I've seen you adding some references to Brixham, so I thought I'd convert a few of them useing the Template:Cite web and Template:Cite book for you. I feel that it would help you and other edits to use these with your references. The best thing to do is to go into your prefences then Gadgets, then in the Editing gadgets section there is a gadget at the bottom called "refTools", which if selected will enable you to write out reference information with a button on the edit screen toolbar. Any questions don't hesitate to ask here or on my talk page. Thanks for your work, bsrboy (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, it's something I keep meaning to do, but I'm a slow learner at computering! Totnesmartin (talk) 21:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

That's okay. It took me ages to grasp, but once I did, I found that it makes referencing a lot faster and easier. bsrboy (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Wicca rock

BTW I'm getting the references to how someone can be included in a genre before it exists. I'm not trying to dispute whether an article (or subsection in another article should exist) but, the particular article at the current title I don't think is the one we'd be looking for. I haven't placed this at the AfD because I don't want it look like I'm changing my mind about the particular article that exists but, if you feel it is appropriate I don't mind you moving it there. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Transposed from Themis music AfD

revert of Themis music

Hi. Can you address why you reverted my edit on the article above? I explained in the edit summary the reason I removed the gallery and was wondering if you would be willing to discuss why you feel it needs to be in the article. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply revert of Themis music

Hello, Martin. My name is Brian and I am the creating author of the controverted Themis music article.

Thanks for the note. I did not see this before so I hope wou haven't waited long for a response.

When I initiated the Themis article which is about a group of people doing a range of things in the religious music arena, I followed whatever instructions I could find and the layout suggestions guideline I found online. Inserting a gallery of pictures was one of the things on the list. I had seen it elsewhere. There was even a template for doing it, so, I did the work thinking it was for readers.

A picture is often considered an acceptable method of setting out an idea. Some of the ideas I didn't write about, I illustrated. To me, some of the things I have observed are worth sharing with others to help tell the story. Some pictures just made the story interesting and allowed the reader their own thoughts and interpretation while others bore out the fact of the story line. Some believe that each picture in an article has the capability of setting out its own short story. I agree.

Until now, when I see the page hacked I simply think it hacked and fix it. Over the months I have seen some weird comments in the article. Today I learned that was a process I didn't understand. Sorry.

If the page would be discussed as an article it seemed to me that illustrating the story is part of the work expected. I did as much work as I could to make the story presentable. NO. Gosh. I am not expert but a neophyte. But I got a lot of happy comments from Wicca people in my community so I did not want to let them down or be insulted. Hmmm. Its hard to explain. A religion and a way of life seemingly under attack. Some people take that personally. I did too for a while. I am past that now.

It takes a certain amount of work to put a page together and adding and uploading photos is part of many good encyclopaedia articles. I was only thinking of the reader. I don't quite know what to do to satisfy everyone. Katie ("Portrait") was offered the suggestion by someone to do a complete re-write and that might be a great idea. Fresh thoughts and a fresh approach. but I see you are also doing some pro-active things to the article which I now understand and like. I will re-read the threads and emails everyone has in all the different places and try and get more guidance for new improvements. The heading changes you made are really quite bang on. Thanks

Re "Promotion" I really think this is an academic process and not commercial. The fact that anyone would write an article suggests that they have an idea and want to share the idea. To say that is "promotion" or "advertising" is ok I suppose.

I believe a diverse range of articles on the topic of religious music is ok for an encyclopaedia. I saw there are many religious music categories in Wikipedia and not one that fit the topic of Themis music. Pagan music has been suggested but that isn't accurate. Themis music is breaking into something new and it is notable. It's about many people willing to be outspoken about "good" instead of trying to make money for being "bad" :o). LOL There are a lot of followers on that.

Here is a music entity that exists in Canada by a lake in a wilderness that won't kill any living thing; preserves the environment; engenders a positive spirit and religious style of life; while underground for years has an expanding following; promotes tolerance, understanding and diversity --- well, I stop ehre as you have read the article --- they are not going to get rich promoting "good" over "bad". They promote vegans and a form of Wicca that promotes an ecological solution to many worries of today. It suggests that warring over religion isn't a worthy past time for humankind but that discovering a beautiful spot on a hiking trail and not just enjoying its beauty but living in harmony with all its elements is a better path. It really is ok to promote that, I suppose.

No one is going to get rich on that score I wouldn't imagine. So its not commercial, its academic. Religion and lifestyle. I like my article more than articles about The Gaza strip or Afghanistan and Iraq. I like what these Wiccans are doing and saying a lot more. Personaly they gave me and my ideas a validity I never had before. Being Vegan and Wicca myself I know how weird it is to be alone at the Easter dinner table with a bowl of lettuce. hahahahah These people gave me friends so I support them. I promote the idea. Why must that be kept underground, unwritten about. It's notable. I mean they are just very ordinary people but I believe it is ok to promote that. I am rambling.

Wicca has a long leaning toward witchcraft since the 1950s but that's only the group you hear about. The vast, silent number are nature-loving vegans who are also de facto non-deists - not necesarily witches. They have their own life style, beliefs and their own music. My article uses Themis as a centre point for them and tells their story. I havn't found a better centre point.

Documenting a religious concept and setting out that people do participate in non-mainstream religious music with some freedom is a worthy story to share with others in the diverse content of an encyclopaedia. It suggests tolerance, understanding and diversity are to be found. I still think its a very notable story and phenomena but I do agree that its a religion that has very few participants, percentage wise. Diversity in Wikipedia is a good thing.

Joshua's article about Wicca rock was unsolicited enthusiastic writing and it has stirred up a hornet's nest. On second thought though, it really sets out the notability of the Themis music article, the fact that it is a new genre and that sets people off. Nevertheless the scrutiny is valid and healthy and the controversy has brought you to the table. Thanks so much for the positive energy! blessed be --Brian Mobrien9279 (talk) 21:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Replying here is OK for a start - just to say at first, I didn't remove your gallery, somebody else did. Now the proper reply:

I see that your efforts here are perfectly honest and sincere, and that you're not spamming Wikipedia. While I have no personal disagreement with your beliefs (I think they're pretty good actually), Wikipedia does not allow articles to be used as expressions of faith or other opinion. If it were to allow such things, a great many articles would be hijacked by people with strongly-held opinions, and it would become a huge (and very bad) blog instead of an encyclopedia. Because of this it is best to ensure that statements of fact are proven to be so by people independent of the article's topic.

However don't feel disheartened by the barriers you have come up against here. Let me point you towards The Neopaganism Wikiproject, a gathering of editors who collaborate to improve Neopagan and Wicca-related articles. hopefully you could help provide information about neopaganism in Canada, if you want. BB! Totnesmartin (talk) 22:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It was I - Themis Music thing

Just so you know it was I that removed the gallery and tried to explain in the edit summary that it wasn't appropriate. I'm also fully aware that it wasn't you who reverted the gallery removal. I'm not sure why this was crossposted to you but, accept my apologies for whatever hand I may have inadvertently had in it. Jasynnash2 (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It didn't think it was you actuallly, more likely it was a mishandled cut'n'paste of a reply elsewhere. Totnesmartin (talk) 19:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your ' Comment at Wicca Music

You said: ::there's also the matter of webradio.co having a close connection with one mobrien - check the bottom of this page. this whole webradio.ca/themis music/wicca music/spidermonkey search engine is being done by the same few people. Totnesmartin (talk) 13:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... OK. Cool. That's The ISP At http://members.webradio.ca I see the mobrien.com logo there That's The ISP. mobrien.com is the ISP and hosting company where ThemisMusic.com is hosted at. It's a server farm and DSL service in Aurora Ontario Canada started in 1998 by a group of University of Toronto Students and Alumni to do search engine development (http://www.spidermonkey.ca/robot.shtml). There are now thousands of web pages there but they are just customers. A lot of CompuScience Students intern there but there is no conspiracy as you suggest. It is true that WebRadio exists to promote Canadian Indie bands and Canadian music. I know Melanie there (she is at the page you suggest). She is jewish. (That pic is 2004 BTW) She is not Wicca. (LMAO 4 sure not!!) It is true WebRadio doesn't say anything bad about anyone. That's true that it promotes Canadian music. Ok. And yes there is a page at WebRadio about each anbd every musician in the country pretty much. So there are lots of other sources, nevertheless, if you get on WebRadio's play list you have passed a lot of close scrutiny and are worth watching. That much says a lot. That's the history. BAnds on there usually are on the move.

Don't think Wicca music is a conspiracy. Last year at a general gathering it was discussed that most people (Wiccans) are afraid to openly discuss their religion. There are very few who are not. I agreed among some others to help out a bit and to do things aimed at giving Wicca a better name and focus on the ecological aspects. The opposition we get is stunning. So be it. I suggest the Christian world and the Muslim world take a time out from hissing at each other and smell a rose and listen to a bird sing and they throw stones at me hahahahaha. Oh well. People pushing "BAD" get all the breaks. People selling "be nice" messages get flack.

Anyway, I understand your suggestion that there are close ties between WebRadio and people in Canadian music. It's a small country.

CIDR: 66.163.18.192/28 NetName: MOBRIENCOM-066-163-018-192-28

NetHandle: NET-66-163-18-192-1

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Cheers. Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 18:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I suggest the Christian world and the Muslim world take a time out from hissing at each other and smell a rose and listen to a bird sing and they throw stones at me hahahahaha. Oh well. People pushing "BAD" get all the breaks. Er... this is nothing to do with me, i'm neither. and it's nothing personal, it's about Wikipedia's notbility policies. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha

Your edit comment [here] was very witty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IReceivedDeathThreats (talk • contribs) 20:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! "Unperson" sounds much better than "non-notable", doesn't it? Totnesmartin (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania 2010 and Wikimedia UK v2.0 Notice

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DYK!

On 1 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The17, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations and keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

And Another Thing...

I think a mistake has been made. I was wasn't trying to say the Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz would be in the next book, I was trying to say that the characters who were on the Earth when it was demolished at the end of Mostly Harmless would persumably be in And Another Thing.... Sorry about that. ISD (talk) 16:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Glen Rose Formation

I'll work some on it tonight. :) Abyssal (talk) 19:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC) Thanks. Totnesmartin (talk) 19:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Mollusc

Hi, Totnesmartin. I've given Mollusc a makeover for Wikipedia v. 0.7 and would like to get it upgraded to something better than Start-class. Do have any ideas on how I can get it reviewed quickly? -- Philcha (talk)

Try Peer Review or the following Wikiprojects: *Wikipedia:WikiProject Animals

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Cephalopods
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Marine life
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Gastropods

There doesn't seem to be one for bivalves or molluscs as a whole. Totnesmartin (talk) 21:59, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

North Sea

Hey. It's been a while but I finally went back over the North Sea article and am hoping to renominate it for GA shortly. As an active contributor to the serious improvements made a year or so ago, I'd like to invite you to take a fresh look at it, do any clean up or copy editing I've missed and generally think about how to make it better. Thanks -- Jieagles (talk) 08:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Kanikōsen

Thanks for saving my DYK nomination! Totnesmartin (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure. These DYK nominations can sit for days and then have a problem raised as the nomination is almost about to expire. It kills me to see these last minute problems, so when I check T:TDYK I take a look at the bottom of the list to see if I can help with anything. Quite often, the tweaks needed are rather minor wording changes; other times it's adding a reliable source or two to the article. I haven't read the book, but I will certainly take a look for it based on your most interesting article. Alansohn (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Same here, I've never read it - I only heard about it via StumbleUpon. Totnesmartin (talk) 04:38, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I restored the external link. I don't think the Japanese text link is inappropriate. Because there are articles linked to the Japanese text like Azuma Kagami and The Tale of the Heike. Am I wrong? Oda Mari (talk) 05:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

What you need to remember is that nearly everyone reading the article won't be able to read the Japanese link, leading to confusion and disappointment. The guidelines on external linking state that foreign-language sites shouldn't be linked to except under particular circumstances, and these circumstances don't seem to apply in this case. Sorry about that. Totnesmartin (talk) 05:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

How about this page? Oda Mari (talk) 05:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I added the link. If it's not OK, please remove it. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Kanikōsen

On 5 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kanikōsen, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 03:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

North Sea

Thank you for your contributions to the North Sea article. I have re-written some sections so that they can have sources, references and citations for every fact. Can you be a second set of eyes, and see if every number, year, new piece of info has a citation please. If you see a copy edit that needs being done, could you also help the article in the midst of the GA review. The GA review is currently studying the verifiablity of the article and if it is properly referenced with verifiable sources for facts. Kind Regards and thank you.SriMesh | talk 00:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I have the man-flu at the moment so i can't maintain the concentration for such a huge task. I'll see what I'm like on Monday and give it a go. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Seth Material article

Thank you so much for "saving" the Seth Material article. About ten days ago a group of editors -- including administrators, which I found shocking -- descended on the article with threats to delete it. They clearly had no knowledge of the subject, but they just as clearly didn't like it. They redirected the article several times, and they pulled two-thirds of it out and tried to force other editors to work in a sandbox (without their agreement). Their behavior was extremely biased, and it was a terrible experience for the other editors.--Caleb Murdock (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

This is why the paranormal Wikiproject was the first to have aurtomated AfD notification. Some people thing "There's no such thing" and try to destroy something perfectly notable. They're kind of afraid someone might actually believe it, I think. well, so what if they do? These attacks are based on mindless prejudice. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Personal invectives

As you may already be fully aware, I love personal invectives and this comment doesn't bother me in the least. However, when I make such comments, I get thrown through the ringer. Just to let you know that this kind of thing is generally considered bad form and engaging in it consistently is liable to get you blocked or even banned. I'm not saying that you do this, I'm just giving you a friendly tip from someone who has been around the block. I wish things were different and we could go full bore attacking each other's cherished true beliefs and idiocies, but there you go.

ScienceApologist (talk) 11:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)