User talk:Smasongarrison/Archives/2022

"Suffer from" copy edits

I'd like to echo DrKay's concerns about your high-volume edits relating to the phrase "suffer from". This phrase does seem to be used in plenty of formal writing in RS that we cite, so I'm not sure that it represents a problem wrt WP:TONE. And some of your rewrites are definitely changing the intended meaning of sentences, or at least making them a little clunky. e.g. here when you changed and later cared for Jordan when Jordan began to suffer from multiple sclerosis in 1973 to and later cared for Jordan when Jordan had multiple sclerosis in 1973 - which makes it sound like she only had it in 1973. I'd suggest starting a discussion to see if there's consensus for these mass changes (unless there's already been one and I missed it?). Colin M (talk) 20:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

There's been discussion of this already here: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#%22Ableist%22_language_being_%22corrected%22_on_dozens_of_articles_(WP:EUPH?) Smasongarrison (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the link. Colin M (talk) 22:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing! And you're right that my update to the Jordan sentence was very clunky. My primary focus is going through pages about people with disabilities because many of the words written about them are by people without disabilities. A lot of the writing about disabled people implies that their lives are full of suffering and not worth living. It's a pretty big bias, so in that sense I am altering the intended meaning because it reflects ableism. In terms of consensus it's well established by numerous style guides, such as the American Psychological Association's. MOS:EUPHEMISM might have been a better tag, but clearly the opinion is mixed on that. Smasongarrison (talk) 23:43, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Request

Having seen you "copy-editing", I am requesting that you please stop making edits concerning disabilities or those suffering from various ailments. These are not superficial edits, since many concern serious medical conditions: the edits are often arbitrary and misleading to readers of this encyclopedia. In addition, they are not systematic, with articles from M to Z barely looked at. (There are almost 40,000 edits, none of which show content creation.) Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 11:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm repeating my message from our other conversation. Please, just leave me alone. You're not assuming good faith, and I do not have the emotional energy to argue with you. Smasongarrison (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Just for the record -- here's the wiki manual of style about writing about disability MOS:DISABILITIES. I'll be using it to label edits about disability language to avoid uninformed readers in the future. Smasongarrison (talk) 21:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Please stop making robotic indiscriminate edits that do not improve wikipedia. They are not purely run-of-the-mill copy-edits, but push an arbitrary "ableist" point of view, not well thought out; because of their bot-like frequency, the edits are often likely to cause offence. Several users have already cautioned you about this, including administrators. The script-driven method of identifying orphan articles is very often incorrect when used indiscriminately, for example in BLPs. As the macros grow longer and more involved, they become worse, and the increasingly frequent problems demand scrutiny. For example your recent edits to Samuel Johnson (a featured article) and Sarah Bernhardt had to be reverted: if Bernhardt suffered from stage-fright according to WP:RSs, that is recorded in plain English; similarly if Johnson suffered from gout. Mathsci (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Please stop following me and reverting all of my edits. I've already shifted my edits away from disability except for a few problematic phrases such as "Patients suffering from..." that are referring to academic articles. I understand your point about individual people, and am fine with leaving those alone. But, please, just leave me alone. Smasongarrison (talk) 00:12, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Please stop following me @Mathsci. You are making me very uncomfortable.

https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Homelessness_in_the_United_States&oldid=1086893093 https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Histrionic_personality_disorder&diff=prev&oldid=1086892306 Smasongarrison (talk) 01:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

The modified macros that you have created are not straightforward and the edits often cause offence, so will be scrutinized. An anodyne article on a "Department of Medicine" should not be tagged as an "orphan". It's easy to find the article, Aalborg University, and then create a wikilink; it takes one minute and a tiny amount of thought. Also please read the article before making edits: when there is an article with Category:Race and intelligence controversy, that should indicate that special care is needed, as often WP:discretionary sanctions can be in force. In 2018, DuncanHill wrote, "Thank you for your email asking me to stop raising concerns about your edits. If you are unwilling to discuss your editing on-wiki then perhaps you would be better off not editing. This has nothing to do with you being a woman, despite what you say. It has everything to do with you making multiple errors, refusing to correct them, and refusing to enter into conversations with other editors who are trying to get you to improve your editing. I have never come across a good-faith editor as unresponsive and uncommunicative as you. Communication between editors is essential to the functioning of Wikipedia, and your method of talk-page management seriously undermines this. I'll repeat my advice - slow down, check each edit before you make it, and try to show a little respect for others who are trying to help." If somebody has suffered from a stroke, then NHS documentation is quite clear about things:[1] "The Acute Stroke Unit and the Lewin Rehabilitation Unit combine to make the Stroke Unit, caring for patients who have suffered a stroke." Why avoid the word "suffer" using a bot-like script? Mathsci (talk) 02:01, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Please leave me alone. I take your point on orpans -- and will definitely keep your advice in mind. But you need to stop. You are making me very uncomfortable. Smasongarrison (talk) 02:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

> Why avoid the word "suffer" using a bot-like script?

Because it editorializes and sensationalizes an illness, per MOS:EUPHEMISM and

WP:SUFFER. Regardless, I've shifted away from making edits about those kinds of things. Nevertheless, you following me and changing back edits about disability that shouldn't use terminology like suffering per numerous style guides MOS:DISABILITIES is problematic.

I've pointed you in the direct of conversations that I've had about the terminology. I've asked you very nicely to stop following me and "reverting" my changes. What I'm doing is benchmarking my spellchecker changes and at the same time, manually editing phrases that people in the disability community find offensive AND changing euphemisms that are offensive. I am trying to distract myself from the fact that my grandmother is dying and would really really appreciate it if you stopped following my edits. Although it looks like a bot, I am a person copy editing. And per the conversation on Words_to_watch [2] that I've already pointed you toward rephrasing the use of the word suffering to be less-editorialized has been discussed and is worth doing.

So I please ask you again, to stop following my edits. I get your point about stroke and am willing to work through that. HOWEVER PLEASE STOP following me and rechecking all of my edits. It is making me uncomfortable. Smasongarrison (talk) 11:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit warring notice on Empathy

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Mathsci (talk) 04:15, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

• Comment As indicated on this user talk page and my edit summary for Empathy, suffering from a traumatic brain injury like stroke is the technically correct medical term to use. It is inappropriate to use a euphemism. The NHS link to Ward R2 of Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge is to the stroke ward, where I have been twice. The documentation uses the term "suffer a stroke"; it is not perjorative. But, with your edits designed to prove a WP:POINT, you are now edit-warring and could be referred to WP:AN3 if this disruptive editing continues. Edit warring to restore "do not" to "don't" was equally disruptive and not well thought out. Mathsci (talk) 04:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, as I've stated on the Empathy page, I think you Mathsci and I should just go our separate ways. I find interacting with you distressing and clearly you do not like my approach to editing wikipedia. I really don't want to argue with you over style guidelines. I just want you to leave me alone. I'm going to mute you from my notifications, and request again that you leave me alone and not hound my edits.

@Liz thanks for your help, unfortunately, I don't have the emotional energy to deal with this. Smasongarrison (talk) 04:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Additional edit history context

• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?diff=1087244818&oldid=1087232155&title=User_talk:Mathsci
• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?diff=1087244894&oldid=1087244818&title=User_talk:Mathsci
• https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch&oldid=1091902690

Checking quality of AWB edits

Howdy - I noticed this edit to the Ted Kaczynski article that you made changing "suffered from" to "had". I personally don't have a stance on the actual change of phrasing here and I understand there's been some discussion on it already, but your edit changed they saw no indication that he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia to they saw no indication that he had from paranoid schizophrenia. I think it goes without saying that "he had from" in this context is grammatically incorrect. The article is a high-traffic FA, and as such all edits to it should be carefully considered to make sure they do not cause problems to the article. This kind of attention to detail is expected for AWB use on all articles, but I would think that it should be especially present on FAs. Thanks! AviationFreak💬 02:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

My apologies for the typo. thanks for catching it. I must have missed it while I was cleaning up the regex expression Smasongarrison (talk) 02:21, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

"suffer" and physical injuries

Hi there. I saw your edit at Ben Simmons regarding "suffered a fracture". I'm not contesting the edit, per se, but I also don't see WP:SUFFER from the edit summary as being directly applicable to physical injuries like a fracture. I do see that you have received feedback about other edits regarding suffer. Do be careful with the automated edits, though I think this was probably just a one-off. WP:AWBRULES does state:

If challenged, the onus is on the AWB operator to demonstrate or achieve consensus for changes they wish to make on a large scale.

Best.—Bagumba (talk) 05:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey @Bagumba,

Thanks for your note and I agree that using semi-automated edits requires caution and double/tripple checking. So here's the discussion about reducing the use of suffer under words to watch. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#%22Ableist%22_language_being_%22corrected%22_on_dozens_of_articles_(WP:EUPH?)

With very rare exception, folks have been fine with it... in the cases where they haven't, well, I've tried to disengage and just avoid conflict. https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mathsci&diff=1087284717&oldid=1087282750

Smasongarrison (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

As the edits seem more related to WP:SUFFER, you might also consider getting affirmation at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 17:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I'll definitely look into that. Maybe that'll help defuse certain situations.

I do think that their style section on Careful Language and WP:SUFFER is pretty clear on it.

Smasongarrison (talk) 17:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Multiple spaces

Note: this edit of yours was reverted by user D.Lazard for the reasons given. Please note that replacing singles spaces with double ones or vice versa is a waste of time and against retain rules as outlined in MOS:PUNCTSPACE: "Software condenses two or more spaces to just one when rendering a page, so editors may use any spacing style they prefer." See also MOS:STYLERET. DVdm (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. My apologies -- I'll try to figure out how that happened in my workflow. (My guess is that awb flagged something, I rejected the flag, and then accidentally pressed save instead of skip. Drat)

Smasongarrison (talk) 16:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks and cheers! - DVdm (talk) 16:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Minor Barnstar
		For minor -- but important -- edits keeping the Wikipedia Shipshape and Bristol fashion, in other words All Sir Garnet. Herostratus (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

So, this was inspired by this particular edit, which I ran into at random, but it seems you've done others like that, so here's some recognition for that, which may not make you famous but is well appreciated. Herostratus (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Suffer from

Stop replacing suffer with experience. This issue has been raised multiple times, but you're still doing it, resulting in absurd and unidiomatic contortions of grammar that a native English speaker would never say. It is disruptive to continue with a series of edits after being asked to stop. Persistent disruption may result in you being blocked from editing. DrKay (talk) 06:02, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Hey there,

Could you point out examples that are ungrammatical? I do apologize for changes that are for the worse. I've been trying to follow the guidance on MOS:MED per WP:SUFFER as well as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#%22Ableist%22_language_being_%22corrected%22_on_dozens_of_articles_(WP:EUPH?). Regardless, I do agree that I should modify my approach to the most narrow interpretation of MOS:MED, so I'll definitely do that going forward. Smasongarrison (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Ahhh, so I looked at your changes and I very much agree that your rewrite is much better. Smasongarrison (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

|works=

|works= is not a valid cs1|2 template parameter; see your edit. Further, in that citation, |website=atrocitynews.com should be deleted so that the proper parameter / value pair |work=Atrocity News can be used; |work= and |website= are equal aliases of each other so only one of them is allowed in a cs1|2 template. Please fix your script.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:31, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey Trappist,

Thanks for letting me know. That was actually a human edit, so there's not really a script to fix. I was manually checking "«", and thought it was an easy thing to do while I was looking at it. Thanks for fixing it. (The scripting only trims tracking tags as a bonus while I'm benchmark my lasted AWB typo corrections. ) Smasongarrison (talk) 00:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Usually, I'd have just made the page myself but I thought it was better to have an outside person confirm that it was fine given that I know Will in real life. Smasongarrison (talk) 15:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Ways to improve Richard Lucas (psychologist)

Hello, Smasongarrison,

Thank you for creating Richard Lucas (psychologist).

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

You new article on Richard Lucas does not establish that he is notable. Unless you provide references to reliable secondary sources, the article will probably be deleted.

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PopePompus (talk) 23:20, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey @PopePompus:,

I thought that being elected the president of an academic society was grounds for being notable. Is that not the case? Smasongarrison (talk) 23:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I just looked at WP:ACADEMIC; I didn't realize that if its criteria are met, WP:GNG does not need to be met. From my reading of the criteria, just being elected president of an academic society is not enough; it needs to be a major academic society. I have never heard of the "Association for Research in Personality" (ARP), but I know next to nothing about psychology so my impression of ARP doesn't mean anything. I see you have removed the notices I put on the article, and that's fine with me. I'll leave the article alone and let someone with more knowledge about psychology patrol it. Sorry to create extra work for you.PopePompus (talk) 23:46, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

It's ok. ARP is a smaller area of psychology but that organization is still a major one. He also meets the criteria by having a named/endowed professorship. (I put the info listing explicitly that he meets the criteria on the talk page. Regardless, I appreciate that you pointed out that you couldn't see the sources listed. It looks like I forgot to add that template. ~~ Smasongarrison (talk) 23:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

URL trimming

Hi Mason, I saw this edit where you correctly trimmed the URL of the Google Books link, but also trimmed the URL of an Internet Archive link to match the new Google Books link. The Internet Archive link is static and any change to it makes it stop working, so in the future, please don't change those. I already fixed this one. Thank you and keep up the good work. SchreiberBike | ⌨  01:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

thanks for letting me know. I'll add a lookbehind catch that. Smasongarrison (talk) Smasongarrison (talk) 01:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok that was actually a really easy tweak! It's not perfect, but it should do the trick. :)

(?<!archive-url\s*=[^\|]+)

here

Smasongarrison (talk) 01:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Edit filter

FYI, as you probably suspected, these hits on June 5 were false positives. I've made adjustments to the edit filter you encountered so that shouldn't happen again. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh thanks! That makes sense! I wasn't sure what had happened with that. Smasongarrison (talk) 14:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Deficiency of automatic edit summaries

Hi. Your recent edit to Cape Fear (1991 film) provided the apparently-canned edit summary "copy editing assisted by WP:AWB". Unfortunately, this does not help other editors understand how the edit changed the article, therefore, it disables the purpose of edit summaries, rendering them useless.

I do not use WP:AWB; is it possible to disable or override the stock-phrase edit summary to allow you to enter revealing and helpful summaries as you go? Thanks for your attention. O'Dea (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

What kind of summary for that [ https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?diff=1091642619&oldid=1091530892&title=Cape_Fear_(1991_film)&diffmode=source specific edit] would you have found helpful? I'd be happy to change it up because awb amends the header as you can see in my contribution history with anything that isn't superficial WP:MOS. Smasongarrison (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

A simple and quick edit summary in this particular instance could have been "fixed the punctuation." Without it, it requires another editor to examine the edit "diff" to discover what action was taken. Your link to WP:MOS sheds no light on the matter because it is a very long article and I am not inclined to comb through the entire thing to guess at your intention in citing it. (I do not know what "header" means in "awb amends the header".)

The edit summaries in your contribution history reveal an exemplary list of helpful edit summaries, but some of the these are the stock phrase ones I quoted in my original post. It may be that those are, indeed, trivial edits however other editors don't know what such trivialities consist of without examining the edit itself. O'Dea (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if my request was unclear, I was trying to ask you if there was a more specific description I could have used to make the fact I only did minor copy edits clearer.

My intention was to just indicate that AWB implements a few MOS changes without explicitly spelling them out. The AWB tool gives users the option to provide text at the beginning of the summary so this edit: with the summary "copy editing assisted by WP:AWB, typo(s) fixed: Between 1996 to → Between 1996 and". in this summary, the header (perhaps a poor choice of words) is copy editing assisted by WP:AWB, while what follows is detailed edits "typo(s) fixed: Between 1996 to → Between 1996 and".

But, I think if you want AWB to automatically indicate the nature of the specific formatting edits, you'll have to ask the developers about that. Smasongarrison (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and explanation. I discovered in your contribution history that an AWB-assisted editor can choose to append additional edit summary information, which is helpful, so I have no motivation to contact the developers to request the provision of meaningful automatic edit summaries. That would require considerable (if even achievable) coding work to attempt to supply enough intelligence to AWB to enable it to interpret an editor's action smartly enough to provide an interpretation of his behaviour in the summary.

Coding such talent into AWB would require a lot of artificial intelligence programming far beyond the scope of a simple script.

Anyway, your contribution history is a lot more reassuring than the single Cape Fear edit implied. Once in a while, my own summaries are not as ideally perfect as they might be. O'Dea (talk) 22:13, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

June 8: NYBG Environment of The Bronx - Editing Wikipedia for Beginners

Wednesday June 8, 11am-5pm: New York Botanical Garden - Environment of the Bronx - Editing Wikipedia for Beginners

Hello Smasongarrison! The LuEsther T. Mertz Library of the New York Botanical Garden and the Environment of New York City Task Force invite you and the general public of all experience levels to come to the Mertz Library in person and learn how to use Wikipedia! All skill levels welcome at the event! Experienced Wikipedia editors from the Wikimedia New York City chapter will be in attendance and available to help. A one hour training session will be offered at the start of this event covering introductory topics. Attendees familiar with editing Wikipedia can edit off of a worklist focused on the environment of New York City; as well as, a sub-list focused on the environment of the Bronx. The Mertz Library will pull topical media from their collection to assist the editing. --Wikimedia New York City Team via Wil540 art (talk) 22:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@Wil540 art Can you remove me from whatever list generated this invitation. Smasongarrison (talk) 22:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@Smasongarrison, you are on no list, just a personal invite based on some edits of yours I saw. Pardon the inconvenience. --Wil540 art (talk) 22:55, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, I don't actually live anywhere near NYC. But it does look like a good event for folks in the area. Smasongarrison (talk) 22:57, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Myopia causes

Thanks for your recent edits to Myopia, in particular for your investigation of the engagement of the field with the suggestion in the Medina literature review on "The cause of myopia development and progression ..." and your consequent lessening of the weight given to it in the article. There was a lot of toing and froing (much of it conducted by what I suspected to be a surrogate of the author) about how the mention of it should be worded and I was responsible for its firming up on the single-author description (and the changing of 'paper' to 'literature review').

(I hope I've done something towards cheering this user up.) -- Jmc (talk) 01:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

AWB errors

Please be more careful with AWB. See this edit and this edit, which I have fixed for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, ignore that... now I understand that you're talking about the '''s edit. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser?markasread=249028275&markasreadwiki=enwiki#c-John_of_Reading-2022-06-09T17:28:00.000Z-Jonesey95-2022-06-09T17:15:00.000Z

Thanks for catching it! Smasongarrison (talk) 19:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for being so vague. I was happy to see the quick response, since I found a dozen or so of these erroneous edits by multiple editors. It's good to nip these things in the bud. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Not a problem! I'm glad you raised the alarm. And I agree that catching these early is really important.

FYI: I'm running AWB thru all my edits right now to see if there are any I missed. And in the future, I'll make sure to test for wiki markdown rules, when I'm vetting new awb rules. ( I might try to make some sort of markdown obstacle course, rather than my current practice of running the rule on a ton of articles) Smasongarrison (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Chatting

Hey Smasongarrison how are you doing today? KcauqElZtak (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I've put a hounding editor on mute, so that's helped me feel much less discouraged. Smasongarrison (talk) 23:12, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Is it OK if we talk just you and me? KcauqElZtak (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Do you like horror films? KcauqElZtak (talk) 23:18, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

What's your favorite? KcauqElZtak (talk) 23:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

It looks like you have a similar approach to messaging as this user (User: MiLanGaoPing in this conversation https://simple.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:Lights_and_freedom#Help) I'm not really interested in advocating for merging articles. I'm interested in copy editing, and don't have any interest in changing up how horror movies are organized.

Requesting some article expansion help

Greetings @ Frankystein3,

Hi, I am User:Bookku, I find information and knowledge gaps create Drafts, try to recruit draft expanding editors and promote drafts articles for further expansion. English being not native language I am do depend for language c/e support too.

Requesting your visit to following article/ drafts and help expand the same if any of these interests you.

• Draft:Ex-Muslim activism in Kerala this is a well sourced draft needs language support to bring the draft to Wikipedian expectation.

• Draft:Irrational beliefs this topic closely related to psychology too and needs article expansion support.

Looking forward to support, if possible.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 02:20, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Adding Kate Reading to Aptonyms page

I think an audio book narrator with the name "Reading" is a great aptonym. I saw you removed it. That's okay! I'm not very adept at making edits that comply with the rigorous standards expected. Can you help me with adding this entry to the page properly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.88.58.16 (talk) 18:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I recommend posting this to the talk page you're interested in. I don't recall removing anything related to an audio book narrator. I tend to do copy edits and don't usually remove content.Smasongarrison (talk) 18:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Unbalanced brackets/braces

Hi Mason, I noticed this edit to the Crutch by GünniX on my watchlist and was puzzled by it because there haven't been any major edits to the article lately. It turns out that it was caused by this edit of yours over a month ago. I just wanted to give you a heads up in case there might have been other similar problems with your edits. Graham87 15:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll dig into it. Hmmm, my guess is that it's a stray converted </blockquote> that I missed. Smasongarrison (talk) 01:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

No worries. I've taken the liberty of putting a nowiki tag in the right place so your reply makes mor sense. Graham87 06:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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Helping

Hi, can you please help me in the wikipedia page of the Beta Israel community? There is a guy there ( which I think is the manger ) and he keep deleting sources and writes whenever he wants. Can you please provide me help with that? 2A02:6680:1106:1FCE:250E:E104:93A1:5652 (talk) 23:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Me reverting socks. Doug Weller talk 17:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Help Mercado Bio

It’s there a chance you can help me with the Edward Mercado Draft:Edward Mercado I don’t know what more to do for Wikipedia to accept the little bio. Sorry to bother you. Thank you Lider510 Lider510 (talk) 16:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Evidence of Wikihounding

In case anyone else needs convincing evidence that user:Mathsci is Wikihounding me.

• https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py?users=Smasongarrison&users=Mathsci&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki

• https://interaction-timeline.toolforge.org/?wiki=enwiki&user=Smasongarrison&user=Mathsci&startDate=1651363200

I've reproduced this recent comment I made on Words to Watch

Yep, I had hoped that it was just a misunderstanding... and that could be cleared up without conflict (like last month). Unfortunately, he's decided that personal attacks are acceptable, as is following my edits. I've asked him to stop repeatedly, unfortunately, he seems to have done this kind of thing before and blocking doesn't seem to stop him from doing this kind of thing. Smasongarrison (talk) 18:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Resulted in a WP:CBAN[3]

Hello, Smasongarrison,

I was following the edits of a sockpuppet and ended up on Hammersoft's talk page and saw your message to them. I'm sorry that I dropped the ball on your request for help months ago. After giving a warning to a longtime user, it takes something like a noticeboard discussion to be able to take further action about a troublesome editor. It looks like your conflict with Mathsci has been resolved and I'm just sorry that I wasn't aware of the ANI discussion at the time so I could have participated in it. But I'm glad that you don't have to worry about hounding any longer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

It's ok. You were incredibly helpful in getting the ball rolling, establishing that he was actually unreasonable, and really giving me the sanity-check I needed. I don't think anything less than a community ban would have gotten him to stop. This whole case is just going to live as an absurd footnote in my internal tenure file. And maybe an absurd story down the road. Mason (talk) 01:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Care, please

Please take a moment to look at a page after you have edited it, before moving on. This edi left the page in a mess because you had left a line starting with a space, which messes up the display. I've fixed it - and got distracted onto doing a whole lot more to the page too. Thanks. PamD 18:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the lines starting with a space rather than a character. I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Also nice work on the rest of the page. :)

Mason (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

It's just a case of taking time to cast an eye over the page and look out for any glitches, typos etc. And while you're editing a page for any reason it's also very helpful to keep an eye out for other weirdnesses that other editors may have introduced: that one had a completely rubbish "Short Description", which I traced back to some unhelpful one-edit IP having added a description of a completely different person to the WikiData record for Melville-Brown. Ouch. Fixed now. Similarly when I look at the article for Holman Prize (which Melville-Brown had won) I found it had a broken table and lacked the 2021 winners, now fixed. And thus yet more time sinks down the rabbit-hole of Wikipedia. Ah well. PamD 19:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Citation bot rebooted

You probably need to restart your job where it left off. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

thanks! Mason (talk) 18:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

TS

Mason, could you please have a look at this edit? You have done it three times now ... that is an inline comment, not visible to readers, and only useful when an editor needs to locate the quote. You're removing something to which the guideline does not apply. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Please restore it ... I need to be able to locate that when it is challenged, and I can't keep adding an invisible comment if you're going to keep deleting it. Perhaps you aren't aware how inline comments work? They are invisible to the reader. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

My apologies!! Thank you so much for pointing it out. I did not realize that this url trim was breaking the comment. Let me figure out a way to prevent this from breaking. Mason (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I've converted the url into an archive link. That should protect the url, while I figure out what's breaking my script. Again so sorry about this! Mason (talk) 12:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Nice idea; thanks! Given that you've done that, it seems like I could add that back to the citation (in the page = parameter with a link to the archive.org version), then, and take it out of the inline comment, right ?? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! And yes, then you could definitely get rid of the inline comment. I think that's a great way to link to that specific page. :) Mason (talk) 17:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Wonderful, thx! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Deaths in 2022 and citing references

Hi. Your edit filling in bare references has been reverted due to a long-standing concensus existing that Deaths project pages need to retain simple cite formats, and mainly due to the heavy page coding caused by full cites given the sizes of the lists generated each month (slow page loading times are experienced for certain users when the code is too inflated). If you have any further queries on this, please stop by at the talk page. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:53, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! My apologies! Mason (talk) 16:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

No problems. Thanks for understanding this technical issue - many don't accept the argument. Best wishes. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Basshunter

Hello. According to this edit. PLWP uses ’ than ' symbol otherwise redirection is created. Eurohunter (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm trying to understand your comment. What do you mean by "PLWP"? Are you talking about this?

{{Interlanguage link|Now You're Gone (Bazzheadz song)|lt=Now You're Gone|pl|Now You're Gone|quote=yes}}

Because I thought that the MOS:APOSTROPHE and MOS:CONFORM guidance was clear on changing '.

I'm happy to change my script, I'm just trying to make sure that I understand the error you found.

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A kitten for you!

A kitten for you!

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Awww thanks! Mason (talk) 20:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hello there! My mother asked me whether Levolet is a trade name of Levofloxacin or not. I'm not well-versed in terms of medicine, so I'm asking you right this minute. I googled "trade names of Levofloxacin", and I opened medinda. com (or org. In a word, I don't remember exactly), so, according to the afore-mentioned site, Levolet is a trade name of Levofloxacin. I don't know whether medinda is a liable source. Could you recommend me a good source which deals with the trade names of Levofloxacin?

P. S. Anyway, could you add this trade name in the article on Levofloxacin? Роман Сергеевич Сидоров (talk) 10:27, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for letting me know! Has someone posted about it? Mason (talk) 18:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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I've noticed you've tagged a multitude of articles and categories related to Parasports with Disability wikiproject tags. The sheer number of them has me wondering whether a Parasports Task Force might be a good idea. WP Disability by itself has too few participants to take on the curation of all these pages and the various sport projects show little to no interest at all (E.g. Some years ago I asked WP Basketball whether Wheelchair Basketball was within their scope, I never even received a reply.) There is a task force under the Olympics WP that handles the Paralympics, but their scope is very narrowly defined as only the quadrennial event itself. So there's a whole lot of articles that need a WP or at least a Task Force to take care of them. What do you think? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:04, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I also noticed that a decent chunk of the parasports pages were incorrectly tagged with the Paralympics taskforce. That leads to me believe that other folks thought that they belonged somewhere. I don't have any particular knowledge/vested interest in parasports. (They seemed like low hanging fruit for AWB.) I think that starting with a taskforce within WP disability is probably a good place to start. At least that way they can get collected in one place. Mason (talk) 16:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

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Happy Holidays and Happy New Year, Smasongarrison!

The other day, I was having a conversation with someone about holiday cards and social media. It occurred to me that, in the years since I left Facebook, the site I use most to communicate with people I like isn't actually a social media site at all. If you're receiving this, it's pretty likely I've talked with you more recently than I have my distant relatives and college friends on FB, at very least, and we may have even collaborated on something useful. So here's a holiday "card", Wikipedia friend. :) Hope the next couple weeks bring some fun and/or rest. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 18:34, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Awww, thanks! That's a really lovely sentiment! :) Mason (talk) 19:37, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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Autism

There is no mention of autism in the Julian Assange article so you should not be adding Wikiproject autism to it. I see you are adding that to lots of articles, I think you should be checking them before adding that. I don't quite see the point anyway unless a person is known for it. NadVolum (talk) 11:41, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

I was adding folks who were in the people with autism or people with Asperger's category. Mason (talk) 15:59, 27 December 2022 (UTC)