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The Education System in Finland

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You have contributed to the article Education in Finland. On the French side of Wikipedia, we have a question on one point of your contribution for the (in French) article translation. It concerns your addition of a recent student places cut. I would thank you to have a glance at the article talk page where I give some details about our question.

Thanks for your attention. Sorry to have bothered you in case. Best regards. --nha, from Lyon, France. 15:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Your answer on the article talk page has been noticed and it is fully satisfying. Thanks a lot! Spend a good week. --nha, from Lyon, France. 01:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You too. The part in question was really in need of clarification. Thanks for pointing it out - and the work on fr.wiki's Education in Finland. --Ras 18:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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External map service links

Hello. You have been identified as having added or removed direct external map service links in articles[1]. There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:External links#Issues with inclusion or exclusion of map service links about which should be done, and some more opinions would be good to find community consensus. --Para (talk) 17:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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Removal of PROD

In future, it would be better if you were to read the policies referred to on PROD notices, as here, rather than dismissing accurate statements of policy as laughable. Kevin McE (talk) 20:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Come on – just because the Finnish league is labeled semi-pro, he is to be excluded? He still belongs to the national elite in his sport (which is nr. 1 in Finland by the number of participants) - combined with his history in the junior national teams and recent transfer to Eredivisie, he should be notable. IMO too narrow criteria, not suited to reality of Finnish Leagues vs. their "status of professionality". Thus it gets in the way of fair evaluation of notability. --Ras (talk) 22:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

By the same token, would you argue that every player in the Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio should have an article? You admit that he does not meet WP:Ath or WP:N, but claim he should still have an article? This does not seem to indicate much acceptance of consensus. By all means, try to make a case at WP:FOOTY or WP:N that everyone who competes at the top level of his/her sport in his/her country should meet the grade, but I doubt you will have much success. The place of birth of a footballer does not prohibit his access to professional leagues, and might make easier his progress to full international status, and by these means he can reach the criteria for notability and inclusion in an encyclopaedia, but at present, this individual does not. Kevin McE (talk) 23:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

European Professional Football Leagues

Just to alert you, this group contains at least two leagues well known not to be fully professional (Irish and Welsh), so can't be used to prove the professionality of others. Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but would a criterion to include all EPFL leagues be more simple than trying to source which leagues are and aren't pro? Currently we have a "pro-whitelist" which is unsourced. --Ras (talk) 13:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Last time I looked, a few of them were sourced, especially the more contentious ones (e.g. Ireland). Using the EPFL would not be a good idea at all, especially when you consider that it contains the Welsh Premier League, which is on a par with the sixth or seventh level in England. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

True, but Wp:Ath is not exact enough (actually it is, but our communal knowledge of pro/not pro leagues is not). Veikkausliiga was not included in that list and now several editors, which have edited Veikkausliiga-player articles stand to lose their work. Just because there was/is no clear yardstick of wiki-notable leagues. We need to improve our criterions to minimize Afd's. That might translate to fully sourcing that aforementioned list. Then the next editors trying to include semi-pro league player articles wouldn't be wasting their time just because of fuzzy criteria.--Ras (talk) 13:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

People losing their work is not a valid argument to keep articles. We just need to be able to find more sources. пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course not. One article is not worthy of lengthy considerations, but when those guidelines are applied to all, then it is. If we establish that Veikkausliiga players in general do not meet Wp:Ath, it affects all Veikkausliiga-player articles. Where it all becomes important is this: Preventing future misunderstandings in status of a certain league. We wouldn't like to see someone wasting time with non-relevant league's players. Reliably sourced whitelist of leagues, which meet Wp:Ath would prevent future misunderstandings and direct the efforts to constructive acts instead of wasteful ones. --Ras (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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