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Re: Kongur Tiube height

No problem. We probably should reference each height in the table individually to avoid confusion like this.

I do not know what the preferred spelling is. The Chinese name definitely is a transliteration itself. It may be originally Mongolian, from when they hung out there in the 13th/14th century (though I wonder why they would have bothered naming a sub peak), or it is a local Uyghur name. Mongolian is currently written mostly in Cyrillic, Uyghur in Arabic.Afasmit (talk) 08:12, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

"lol" just wierd!!

Maybe lag or a bug, but nothing to worry I think. These things happen all time. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Mount Everest

Hi, could I refer you to Talk:Mount Everest concerning the addition of a summary of a book by its author. I reverted the author's original article addition as it clearly contravened wikiquette, but he does appear to be an authority on the subject. Viewfinder (talk) 15:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Help needed at Shishabangma [sic]

Please vistit the mess at Shishabangma I helped to create. We are at a stand-still with a screwed up page. Thanks.--Racerx11 (talk) 03:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

You have already the 'requested move' template at the correct place. so let it and wait. mabdul 10:30, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Well someone else placed that template there, but my concern was our inability to move the page to Shishapangma, with a "p". At the moment the move is prevented by non-admins because a move over redirects not possible if they have non-empty histories. Bots edited the redirects, fixing double links. From what I hear, an admin can fix this but I guess when we get a consensus for the move, an admin can do it then. Thanks.--Racerx11 (talk) 10:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

SPI

Well, Racerx11, you place it on a wrong place! :) Location is here Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/190.161.134.66, so remove it from users talk page, and place it here. Also, i propose you to add some diff's about editors behavior, so admin can easily find similarities, and tell us what exactly are the problem with this IP. I could move it my self, but i am not familiar with the case, so it is better for you to do it. When you move it, tell me, so i will help, and fix in fixing is needed. :) But you did it good. --WhiteWriter ^speaks 12:17, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, dont worry, it was a mistake. Nothing bad from that. Anyway, you should now wait for admin reaction, SPI can take a week, or even more... :) --WhiteWriter ^speaks 18:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Poll to determine support for move from Shishapangma to Xixabangma

You have been involved in the recent naming discussion at Talk:Xixabangma. There is a new poll to determine support for the move from Shishapangma to Xixabangma. If you are interested, please provide your opinion here.--Wikimedes (talk) 00:57, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Tenzing Noray's citizenship

Tenzing Norgay ofcourse had an Indian citizenship apart from having a Nepalese citizenship.He had an Indian passport, and only Indian citizens can possess that. Please refer:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/dec/24/books.booksnews Abhiroop de (talk) 14:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi both Racerx11 and Abhiroop de. I just noticed your various reverts regarding Tenzing citizenship. While the guardian article given as reference contains several factual errors and might not qualify as a reliable source, Tenzing autobiography ("Man of Everest - The Autobiography of Tenzing", 1956) is quite clear about the fact that we can attribute him double citizenship Indian and Nepali. The Himalayan Database compiled by Liz Hawley is listing Tenzing as "Indian". Both sources can be considered as very reliable.

It is however important to say that Tenzing himself disliked very much the political recuperation that some people in both Nepal and India tried to make after he sumitted Everest: "Beside the question of who reached the top first, there was much talk and argument about my nationality. "What difference does it make?" I kept asking. "What do nationality and politics have to do with climbing a mountain?" But still the talks went on...(page 282). It is worth noting that both Nepal PM Koirala and Indian Pandit Nehru, unlike other politicians, did not try to put pressure on Tenzing to make any statement regarding his belonging to one or the other country.

As a summary, Tenzing stated that "I was born in the womb of Nepal and raised in the lap of India". I love both. And I feel I am the son of both (page 283). When he traveled to Europe, Tenzing was not only given one, but two passports: "one Indian and one Nepali - and this was just the way I wanted it" (page 286).

All quotes from his autobiography. I hope this will help to close the discussion. --Pseudois (talk) 18:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Yep. Nationality-wise, Tenzing was a Nepali Sherpa who moved to Darjeeling, India in early adulthood to find work, since that's where the mountaineering expeditions were being organized. If Pseudois can provide page numbers for the quotes, this should satisfy the need for references.--Wikimedes (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that's all good. Thanks for the explanations. If we can put a cite somewhere that would be great. Also, in his article the opening of the lead calls him a "Nepalese Indian Sherpa mountaineer". Sounds a little awkward doesn't it? Could we reword the that sentense a little better?--Racerx11 (talk) 04:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I've edited my comment above to add the page number. Please just use any quote if you find suitable for the article. Reference is the same as already quoted in Tenzing's article (Tenzing Norgay and James Ramsey Ullman, Man of Everest), but my reference is a reprint under a slightly different title and page number may vary compared to the original (Man of Everest - The Autobiography of Tenzing, told to James Ramsey Ullman, The Reprint Society London, first published 1955, reprint 1956). Regarding the lead in the article, we could simply remove "Nepalese Indian" and just keep "Sherpa mountaineer" in the lead as the dual nationality is already mentioned in the infobox. But there is a risk of endless edits, so maybe it is better to leave it as it is.--Pseudois (talk) 15:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Pseudois and Racerx11. ATtlast the matter gets solved. I agree that the evidence produced by me was not conclusive, but Pseudois produced some excellent sources which is unquestionably authentic and straight from the mouth of Tenzing. SO, thank you Pseudois. And Racerx11, thanks for coming round to the view afterall. Afterall, it resulted in the truth being revealed. Abhiroop de (talk)

Tambora

This stuff happens all the time in volcanology, sometimes reports get mixed up, or the reports are too vague, so GVP (rightly so) has made a time period (which there is evidence that it did happen) in which the eruption would have taken place. Many volcanoes have dates with e.g. "give or take 30 years"

As for the 2011 eruption, the person who uploaded that obviously knows nothing about volcanology. Because in 2011 tremors were reported and kept increasing and new fumoroles opened up on the flank, but no eruption happened.

Noble Fan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noble fan (talk • contribs) 15:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Re: Tambora

Okay, if thats your opinion. Regards, Noble Fan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noble fan (talk • contribs) 06:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Volcán Tacaná

Please see Talk:Volcán Tacaná#Topographic prominence. Yours aye,  Buaidh  18:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Good work. Thanks,  Buaidh  16:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I updated the List of the most prominent summits of North America, the List of Ultras of North America, the Mountain peaks of Central America, the Mountain peaks of Mexico, the Table of the highest major summits of North America, and the Table of the major 4000 metre summits of North America to reflect a topographic prominence of 1030 m for Volcán Tacaná. I also updated the List of Ultras of Canada, the List of Ultras of Central America, the List of Ultras of Greenland, the List of Ultras of Mexico, the List of Ultras of the Caribbean, the List of Ultras of the United States, the Most prominent mountain peaks of Alaska, and the Mountain peaks of North America to reflect the new ultra counts. Yours aye,  Buaidh  21:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Very good. It was kinda late when I was making my edits and missed some stuff on those ultra pages. I probably should have let you handle everything. Well done! Thank you very much. --Racerx11 (talk) 22:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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Your request for rollback

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Re: Convert template removal

To see the effect one must be logged into a Wikipedia account and one must hover the mouse cursor over the link to the article in question. A box will pop up, showing a thumbnail of the article, usually just the first paragraph of the lead section and perhaps a tiny image. It won't show Infoboxes, or any other template contents. If the templates happen to be unit conversions, it leaves baffling blanks in the text, requiring the site visitor or Wikipedia editor to actually click on the wikilink and bring the page up in a separate browser tab or window, which takes additional time and consumes considerable bandwidth. Anonymous users who aren't logged in won't see tooltips at all. For users who are logged in, seeing meaningful tooltips are a great time saver. It is to best to simply avoid using the Convert template in the first paragraph or two of the article. Most of the time it deals with fixed numbers that will never change, such as the height of a mountain or the distance between two geographic points. — Quicksilver^{T @} 00:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Seven Second Summits

Thanks for your thourough explanation concerning your revert of my edit. I wish more editors were like you! --Koala 18:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Article restructuring at the Beatles

Doc and I disagree, that's why we take things to talk, to see what others think. — GabeMc (talk) 01:49, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

No, you didn't waste my time, and your opinion matters. There is at times a bit of group-think at the Beatles and it can be hard to make progress when the status quo is blindly defended by entrenched contributors, not that Doc is doing that, I just mean in general we could use some fresh perspectives at the article IMO. — GabeMc (talk) 02:12, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

• FYI, we are close to a general consensus for smerging the info into The Beatles Discography, as you originally suggested. I even have the general support of the article's leading contributor, andreasegde. — GabeMc (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 22:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Led_Zeppelin#Led_Zeppelin_is_NOT_HEAVY_METAL

Need your contribution in the talk please.HasperHunter (talk) 19:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Principal lunar semi-diurnal constituent

Hi, Racerx11. I'd like to discuss my edit of the Tides page which you reverted. I agree that the previous edit is more succinct, but it's also a misleading explanation of how tidal forces are generated. While it's true that the Moon's gravitational force is stronger on the side of Earth facing it than at the far side, the force being exerted is far from enough to "stretch" the earth by itself. Here's a calculation that demonstrates that.

The formula for gravitational attraction is F = G *((m1 *m2) / d2). The mass of the Moon is approximately 7.3477 × 10**22 kg, and its average distance from the Earth is approximately 383,000 km. To determine the amount of gravitational attraction the Moon by itself has at that distance, let's consider the attraction it would have on one milliter of water at that distance. The formula then becomes

F = 6.674×10-11 * (7.3477 × 10**22 kg * 0.001kg) / 3.83 x 10**8 m **2), or 0.0000000334 Newtons

It's obvious that such a weak gravitational attraction is not going to "stretch" the Earth, or even move one gram of water, given the Earth's gravity holding everything together. What is going to have a powerful effect is the laws of orbital mechanics, which requires objects at different orbital distances to move at different velocities. Whether it's a gram of water or a thousand-metric-ton mass of stone, they will have the same orbital speed at the same given distance -- their mass has no effect on their rate of fall. And that law of nature will try to move the water that's 6370-some kilometers toward the Moon from the Earth's center of mass at one orbital velocity, and the water that's the same distance away from the Earth's center in the other direction at another, slower velocity.

I'm leaving out a few minor factors, such as that the center of rotation of the Earth-Moon system is not at the center of the Earth, and not adding the radius of the Moon to its distance from our gram of water. Those add complexity without changing the outcome significantly.

That was the point I was attempting to make. I wasn't really satisfied with the explanation I got down on paper either, but I hoped it was clear enough. Obviously I was mistaken. But I'd still like to modify the current version, as I'd heard that myself for years and was never satisfied with it. I'd think, "How can the Earth be 'stretched' like that? It implies that something is holding it in place, but that can't be because it's in free fall. Any force strong enough to stretch it would pull it closer to the Moon altogether."

The orbital mechanics version explains it much better, because it requires no "stretching" of the Earth by the Moon's gravity, which is far too weak at that distance, but only a requirement that objects at different distances orbit at different velocities.

I hope we can reach a consensus and come up with a new, mutally satisfactory version that both gets the point across and isn't confusing.

Thanks for taking time to read this!

EndlessBob (talk) 21:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Take this to Talk:Tide please. --Racerx11 (talk) 10:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Stiki and reverts

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Springfield

As an Australian, my first response to that was "Bugger!" If you're concerned about that language, please look at that article and read the third paragraph of the lead. HiLo48 (talk) 01:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

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Much appreciated and very flattered! --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 01:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: Eagles & John Miles

Will keep a lookout for future changes. As far as I know, John Miles was never an Eagle. Thanks for the heads-up. :o) Antster1983 (talk) 20:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Whoever is doing this is neither clever nor funny.

By the way, I've read Don Felder's book, it's a great read, and gives us some idea of the inner workings of the minds of Glenn Frey and Don Henley, especially when it comes to song-writing royalties - "change a word, gain a third". That's all I'm saying. Antster1983 (talk) 23:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Current/Past Members of the Beatles

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 00:21, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

IP Eagles editor

That guy seems out of control to me. Some of his edits appear sensible, then he goes off about "John Miles" being in the band and not Timothy B. Schmit. I'm not prepared to sift through the rubbish looking for something worthwhile, and will continue to revert him. I have asked him to stop his vandalism and discuss the edits he is trying to make. Regards, WWGB (talk) 02:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. Now that the vandal has been blocked, reversion of all recent edits seems appropriate, unless they are clearly correct. Regards, WWGB (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 02:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Philippine WikiCon

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Monty Hall Problem

It's original content, and in my opinion more clear than what's already there. Should I link to my blog?

I apologize for deleting what was already there. It was my first post. gadfly1974 (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't allow original content, per our policy WP:OR. Knowing that that is what it is, I have to re-remove it now. Qwyrxian (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right, I'm sorry. gadfly1974 (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Second Seven Summits

That a lower-elevation mountain could be more challenging than a higher-elevation is not paradoxical - it doesn't go against logic or reason. At best, it's "interesting" that this is the case. Not sure why you want to preserve "paradoxically" in this article when it's mostly a filler word that doesn't really qualify and doesn't add anything to the article. It isn't even true of all seven summits - it says right in the article that Logan isn't any harder than Denali. What makes the word "paradoxically" worth saving? Kusand (talk) 05:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Paradox has several slightly variant definitions. Something doesn't have to defy logic or reason for someone to legitimately describe it as a paradox . One definition is: any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature, fits second summits I think. But to address your other point, you're right, it's not that important of a word and if you think the phrase is better without it, then I won't revert or object. Thanks, happy editing :) --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 10:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Sign

It's not like I'm trying to hide. And, as you say, sinebot is signing for me; I don't feel the need to sign for myself especially since it's not mandatory. I'm not trying to be funny and HiLo48 isn't funny either. I don't know what he's trying to do except annoy me. You guys help get him off my back and you'll not hear from me again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midcent (talk • contribs) 00:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok dude. You're strange one that's for sure. I will leave you alone to do what you wish, but I'm not about to slap HiLo's sack over this. That's your problem. And don't expect many other editors to take what you are doing lightly either. I'm done with ya. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 01:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Image of Milkomeda

The image is up for deletion. The link to the video has 6-8 other images if you want me to uploaded any of those, or the collage they have of all of them?--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Wasn't aware it was up for deletion. I just thought the image looked cool, so it's not huge issue for me. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 02:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Link Removal

Hi, can you go to User_talk:Ans-mo#Link_Removal and tell me if you think we should restore the link this user deleted. Thanks. Viewfinder (talk) 10:23, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Ang Dorje Sherpa

Hi, hope you are having fun. Since you expressed some interest in the previous Sherpa biography that I started, I thought I'd alert you to the next in the series, above. If you could take a moment to look it over, I'd appreciate your comments before I move it into an article. Thanks! Steveozone (talk) 05:57, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey there. Sure, always having fun:). Good to see you are still doing quality work. You are getting really good at this sort of thing. I have only created a dozen or so stubs myself. I can only imagine how difficult it is to create a fully fleshed out article by yourself. Im on a mobile for a while but i will give the article a once over later today and do what I can to help. It looks great though! Happy editing :) RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 13:06, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

The Hanoi Vandal

I think you are definitely on to something. Looking at this just-discovered IP sickens me: 113.22.111.195 (talk · contribs). From Hanoi, naturally. His cross-referencing and shifting of targets is a troubling sign indeed, and he's been at it for much longer than I thought. I have a subpage for a similarly irritating IP-hopping vandal at User:Doc9871/Voice Cast Vandal, and I'll probably create one for this clown later tonight or tomorrow. Take a much-deserved break, Racerx11! It seems the fun is only getting started... Doc talk 22:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, what a mess. I found another from 2010, 113.22.61.158 (talk · contribs) although little if any damage survives from it. Like Fav said a couple months ago: This has got to be the worst possible type of disruptive editor. Jumping all over different but related pages; mixing legit, suspect and completely bogus edits together; engaging in extremely subtle vandalism sometimes and more blantent nonsense at others and everything in between; IP hopping almost daily at times...pretty much a real pain in the ass. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 23:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Very, very similar to the Voice Cast Vandal - they are two peas in a pod. His thing is fake acting credits, and our Hanoi pal is into fake music credits. You've made quite a discovery - this goes back at least to the beginning of March, 2010 with 113.22.107.128 (talk · contribs). Lord knows how many IPs this jerk has used, as I am seeing that we have just scratched the surface. Doc talk 00:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• Scratch that - February, 2010 with 113.22.103.251 (talk · contribs). They are popping out everywhere I look (e.g. 58.187.93.13 (talk · contribs)) - this is going to be a sizable list for sure... Doc talk 00:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hanoi Vandal IP list

Please do not update this list. The new list is at User:Doc9871/Hanoi Vandal.

• 183.81.51.150 (talk · contribs)
• 1.55.179.219 (talk · contribs)
• 1.55.127.252 (talk · contribs)
• 1.55.62.244 (talk · contribs)
• 171.226.3.43 (talk · contribs)
• 171.226.123.209 (talk · contribs)
• 118.71.165.206 (talk · contribs)
• 113.23.105.122 (talk · contribs)
• 113.23.19.113 (talk · contribs)
• 113.23.41.175 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.86.91 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.61.158 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.124.110 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.111.195 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.107.128 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.103.251 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.0.39 (talk · contribs)
• 42.113.109.50 (talk · contribs)
• 58.187.101.132 (talk · contribs)
• 58.187.103.139 (talk · contribs)
• 58.187.104.54 (talk · contribs)
• 58.187.93.13 (talk · contribs))
• 58.187.42.212 (talk · contribs)
• 58.187.75.93 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.56.62 (talk · contribs)
• 118.71.87.34 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.56.118 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.23.126 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.41.68 (talk · contribs)
• 113.22.0.168 (talk · contribs)

Here's the list of comfirmed IP's the vandal has used. Sure there's more but this what I'm aware of thus far. This is just so if you need the list to get started and for future reference for anyone else. I will try to keep it updated on this page for as long as necessary or until it just gets ridiculous, which it almost is already. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 00:21, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

I am no longer planning to keep this list updated here. Any more IP's we find will be added to the list at User:Doc9871/Hanoi Vandal. --RacerX¹¹ Talk to me^{Stalk me} 01:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Ngga Pulu etc

Thanks, I had not seen these yet. It looks like he copied much from peakbagger.com. I don't remember peakbagger discussing the impact of glacial melt when writing the New Guinea list and adding a bit on this subject to Puncak Jaya. The only discrepancy I can see is in the prominence. WanderingE1000 copied "328" from peackbagger's "So now Ngga Pulu has less than 100m/328’ of prominence as a sub-peak of Sumantri", but interpreted it as 328 m. For Sumantri I had added a footnote "Measured in 1975 at 4855 m (Anderson, p. 21), but its exposed spire is now also higher than the neighboring, melting Ngga Pulu" (with a link to http://www.summitpost.org/sumantri/634409). Since there is no official new measurement for either peak, I still listed Ngga Pulu before Sumantri and could hardly make Sumantri the parent of Ngga Pulu. Ah well, not too big a deal. By the way, I think I have the precise locations of Ngga Pulu and Sumantri wrong in the list. The google terrain map falls apart over the East North Wall firn where the peaks probably really are, giving a smooth nearly flat terrain where there is none. When looking at http://7summits.com/pix/carstensz/pix/colijnmapbig7s2.jpg and the summitpost pictures, both peaks are further to the east than where I put them. I had equated Sumantri with the "third top of the north face" on the Colijn map, and may have put Ngga Pulu on the real Sumantri summit, but it's hard to tell. Afasmit (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)