User talk:Quadell/Archive 6

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This archive page covers comments 251-300, from roughly December 31, 2004 to February 11, 2005.

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Hourly "untagged images" map

I wrote a real simple perl script that runs on a linux box hourly from cron. It uses wget to pull the Untagged Images page and parses out the image counts – I put it here[1] if you want to see it. You or whoever is posting the daily count could use it if you're not already adding those numbers up in some automated fashion. The script to make the graph is very similar to the one I posted on the talk page for the other graph. I had to wait until I had enough data to make it worth posting. The smooth part at the left uses the daily data from before I started collecting. – Kbh3rd 23:14, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image tagging

Thanks for your comment on my Talk page.

I have no objection in principle to there being a tag, if you insist, but why does it have to plaster an advertising logo on the page? This is particularly offensive and ugly on an image page. Why does it have to render anythign on the page at all, in fact?

Thanks mfc

the fictional seagull

hello, Quadell. i apologize for not getting back to you about the image on my user page until now; i've been away for some time (during which it seems my image was removed for lack of further copyright information, anyhow). to answer your question, the image is of my own device--i've now reuploaded it and added the appropriate copyright tag.

if you need anything else, just let me know. --Drasil

Image:Chnum.jpg

I don't remember where I got it, but since it's a photo of a thousands-of-years-old statue, I doubt it's copyrighted. Is that fair use or copyright free? Rick K 21:31, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

Error 404

FYI I posted the following onWikipedia talk:Untagged Images:

Is it OK to just delete, or should I {{delete}} image files such as Image:Greenlandarms333.PNG that lead to the dreaded "404"? Also, should we work from the bottom or top of the list? hydnjo talk 19:46, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The Watchtower Image

Hello, sorry to bother you, could you help us by changing the image on the watchtower page? Please refer to Talk:The Watchtower photograph for the reason and recommendations. george 23:08, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC) talk

Quadell, I am sorry for offending you (if I did). It would be easy for me to get the picture we need. I don't think any of Jehovah's Witnesses would be offended by a picture of a person offering the magazine to another. It would be accurate. Can you tell me how to upload a picture to WP? (yes, I am an amateur)george 23:16, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PS I have placed a copy of this message on the WT talk page

San Diego pic

Hi! Please have a look at User talk:Arpingstone. Thanks - Adrian Pingstone 23:06, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Software for Untagged Images graphs

Hello, I'm curious what software you used to create Image:Tagging_stats.PNG? Thanks. 119 05:47, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Speedies of Commons images?

I was told that images uploaded to Commons could not be speedied yet. See also [2]. Though in this case, they're all public domain and uploaded by me, and mostly made by me, so most of the objections don't apply. --SPUI 05:18, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Digital copies of old artworks

Hi. I saw your comments on User_talk:RickK#Image:Chnum.jpg about a court ruling regarding a photograph of a painting. Do you have any reference for this? There's an image I want to use in an article which is a digital copy of an 1890 photograph and I'm trying to work out whether the digital copy is public domain or not... Thanks. David Johnson [T|C] 20:50, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Stop Esso leaflet

I'm afraid I don't know the copyright status of Image:StopEssoleaflet.jpg; I converted the image from Image:StopEssoleaflet.png, uploaded by User:Fonzy. -- Wapcaplet 22:55, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Silliness back

Of course I am a fish, what made you think I wasn't ? notafish }<';> 18:04, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps you are unwilling to commit to being fully notaf, and prefer to be merely notaf-ish.

Damn. Got me. How did you know? I never could commit to anything. I am always more of the commit-ish kind. notafish }<';> 18:31, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

EuroVelo map image

G'day Quadell. I'm not sure about which category the usage comes under. I looked at the [map] and saw the names of the authors but couldn't see a copyright sign. I do know however that the EuroVelo people were so happy when I sent them an e-mail to tell them I had made a Wikipedia page that they put my name up on their website. Now when I do a Google search for me name I get that site at the top of the list!!

Maps

I refer to Image:Ccaa-galicia.png, Image:Ccaa-madrid.png and other maps of the same series. However, I am in doubt now, if they were created by you or by User:Montrealais. Anyway, I would appreciate to see them on Commons. Emu 20:35, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This WikiMedal for Janitorial Services is herewith awared to Quadell for weeks and weeks of Trojan effort in the Untagged Images project.

Untagged Images

Well done, Mr. Quadell. Your effort was Herculean. Hats off to you. It is completely inadaquate to award you the WikiMedal for Janitorial Services, but nevertheless that, and my thanks, are the best I can do. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Excellent work indeed! Now who's going to deal with all of these images? Could it be a new project? Certainly one that would take a lot more diligence than the previous one. Anywhoo, good stuff. --MaxPower 16:12, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

Simone de Beauvior photo

This is the link to where I found the photo: [3] --64squares 05:16, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

Unverified Images

I actually started thinking about these unverified images because I saw your list of OR'd ones over on ifd! But yeah that is exactly what I was thinking, a nice small list to work on for a set period of time - after which the images are moved to ifd, speedy delete or some other delete oriented place. The small list is important I think, because it will get everyone working together on a few images, which would increase our chances of either replacing the image or finding the copyrights.

I assume the Unverified images project could run concurrent with the Untagged images project?

Keep me in the loop! --MaxPower 16:33, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

License

All the pictures were taken by my husband, Bertrand Devouard. They are under gfdl. I am currently in the process of putting many pictures of Algeria on wikicommons. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Anthere/Alg%C3%A9rie_2004

Thanks

SweetLittleFluffyThing

Images on the Commons

Hi - I left you a message about the images you uploaded on your commons talk page. -- G. Gearloose (?!) 11:36, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Estonia maps

Hi. I don't understund very well why is "png" format better than "gif". Both are compact and viewable by all browsers. Gif is even more common. If needed I can use "png" in the future, although I can't see any difference. Resaving and uploading existing images about Estonian provinces would be waste of time. I tagged my images in "commons". I can add same text to them in Wikipedia if this text and tagging is OK. Sorry for being bit mad after discovering your images about Estonia in commons. I am geographer and sensitive about such question as maps. Especially if they are about Estonia. Siim 18:02, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

RE: Nzinga and Marshall Couthouse Copyright status

You actually caught me at a very bad time, I have been very inactive recentely and was about to offically post a wiki-holiday on my user/talk pages. Given the importance of this matter I will give you the information that I have. The original source for both images was lost due to the destruction of my previous computer. Both pictures were thought to be fairuse at the time and have been altered from there orignal forms. I cropped the Nzinag pic from an picture of an old document of a renderign of here. The pose has been widely copied but the only picture of the original document, that I could find, is on wikipedia. The second image can be deleted it was replaced by this one. I will wikipedia for the next few days if you need me. -JCarriker 00:16, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Wikiquotepar

Please unprotect this, revert to my last version, and change the wording from "by or about" to "related to". This will address your concern, mine, and everyone who doesn't have to see that TFD notice. -- Netoholic @ 19:44, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)

Likewise, I've replied at Template talk:Wikiquotepar. -- Netoholic @ 20:21, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)

Unless you can provide something more, please unprotect this. Pages should not remain protected forever without very good justification. -- Netoholic @ 15:32, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

The TFD debate is only whether Template:Sisterproject should be deleted or not. In itself, the vote is not a mandate for the template to be used. In fact, User:Itai created this and implemented it on dozens of other Sister projects pages without discussion, testing, or consensus (since he knew I at least disagreed). Had he tried testing it, and gotten feedback, without edit warring, things might have gone better. Please unprotect it, since your protection on "his version" does imply that his is "correct". -- Netoholic @ 15:55, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

Volvo pic

Unfortunately, I do not remember where I got the picture from. Would it be possible to remove it from the server? I can upload another picture of an S80 that is from my own personal collection. Bjames86 16:00, 2005 Jan 28 (EST)

Image:Fvramos.jpg

hi quadell, it has been quite awhile since i downloaded this picture and am no longer sure of its copyright status or location --it may or may not be fair use. But since the article Fidel V. Ramos has a new tagged image which is consistent with similar articles (list of presidents), this image is redundant and no longer needed. i deleted the image link in the article and i recommend that this image be deleted from the server. thanks! Oavcacananta 07:23, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image sleuthing

Sorry, I have to decline the invitation for now. I'm going to be a bit busier this year than last (although I'll still have enough time for Wikipedia), and I'm not really a copyright maestro or anything. I'm sure you guys can take care of things yourselves; I might join next year when I'm under less pressure. Good job on the work you've done so far, and keep it up! Johnleemk | Talk 15:02, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for inviting. It's possible that I will recreate some maps, but I won't take any obligations of course. Cartography is actually not my main interest. I am studying earth sciences. Cartography is sometimes just for fun. I don't think that I am an artist or something like that. I believe that if I have time I will do something about these pics, especially maps. Siim 21:26, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Why??

Why did I see 31 consecutive edits in RC about you putting something in the deletion log?? Georgia guy 00:17, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

RC stands for Recent changes. Georgia guy 00:22, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Image recreation requests

Greetings. I just started the Wikipedia:Image recreation requests project, and I thought you might be interested. Your help would be greatly appreciated. (I got your name from the list at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Graphic Artists.) Best regards, – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 03:12, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed. In fact, I actually reserved one of those images a few hours ago, and I'm almost done recreating it. (Great project idea, by the way!) dbenbenn | talk 03:37, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Indeed a great project, and thanks for pointing it out to me. I'll try to fix all the images on that list this week (if the time will be there). Please don't hesitate to drop new requests on my Swedish talk page when the list is updated in the future. I'm an not a regular contributor on the English Wikipedia, so I might not stay tuned over periods.

Keep up the good work. / Mats Halldin 07:59, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Quadell. The project looks like a real winner! I'm not sure if I can contribute anything to it; maybe I'll be able to in the future. My cartography so far has been limited to doing U.S. place name dot-maps, which are based on maps from the University of Texas at Austin with some modifications. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Bumm13 13:50, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Electronics drawings

Just used one of your image requests as an example on Wikipedia:How_to_draw_a_diagram_with_OpenOffice.org_Draw - you might want to take the resulting PNG if it's useful. Ojw 23:42, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Redirect suggestions project

Hi Quadell, I do plan on listing new suggested redirects, and I've been impressed by how quickly the old lists were finished, by yourself and others. The hold-up with making new lists is that the creation of Wikipedia database dumps (which are what I'm using) seems to have stalled; normally these come out once a week, but there hasn't been an updated one for 24 days and counting. From the notes on the discussion page, it looks like there's some data conversion happening for the move to MediaWiki 1.4, which needs to complete before new dumps can be created. When a new dump comes out, it might be a few days before I notice, then around 2 or 3 days for the software to run, and then a day or so for me to upload the suggestions. So, it will happen, I just don't know when! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 04:54, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image:Distribution of Celts in Europe.png

Great map, but it misses the Celtiberians (central Spain), the Celts in Scythia Minor (Dobrogea, now in Romania, between the Danube and the Black Sea), as well as the Celts of Asia Minor (Galatia) Bogdan | Talk 16:13, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Maps

Not sure whether this one was resolved already, but Image:Afrcica_with_Seychelles2.jpg Ojw 18:52, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image:Baseball fielding positions.png

No, I did not create Image:Baseball fielding positions.png myself. I simply converted an identical GIF (called "bb.gif") into a much smaller file-sized PNG. Here is the edit where I replaced the GIF in the article. According to Wikipedia:Deletion_log_archive/March_2003, bb.gif was deleted at 03:39 Mar 6, 2003.

I don't think the original image had any source information (which is why the PNG doesn't have any either). I believe it was shown as being uploaded by "automated conversion" meaning it was one of the earliest images added to Wikipedia and the name of the original creator was lost. I think it would be safe to assume that it is PD or GFDL (donated by original uploader) or at least fair use. --Minesweeper 03:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Maps

Image:Bern_location.png Ojw 13:47, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Bern_location_flags.png Ojw 19:52, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jackson Park Bridge

I got that picture from somewhere on the uchicago.edu site. It was one of the first pictures I uploaded to wikipedia, and I can't say if I followed all the necessary conventions. The next time I used a uchicago pic I was officially given permission, so I'm pretty sure that no one will mind. Dinopup 22:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Please notify uploaders of recreation requests

You're doing a great job with the image recreation page. Please could you leave a message on the talk page of the original uploader of each image you list on that page? That way, if the original image should in fact be licensed freely, the uploader can correct this and save someone the hassle of recreating it, hopefully! It seems more polite, too. Lupin 13:49, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Sisterproject#Survey

On WP:TFD, you voted for keeping Template:Sisterproject. However, another vote is needed to ensure it is used. Please state your opinion at the above link. — Itai (f&t) 15:05, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sweeney pix

Visit her site and ask for permission to use low-res versions with the copyright attribution no restrictions tag -- That's how I got permission to use her tree and plant illustrations. I think as long as she gets a link back on the illustration information page she will be pleased to help out. Caltrop 00:29, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Tn toyslove angie.jpg

Why did you remove the ifd header on this page? Rick K 00:54, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

So the way to get around the problem with spam is just to put your URL on the image? That way you don't have to list the URL in the external links, just spam the article with pictures with the URL embedded. Rick K 01:00, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Not sure what this means. . .

Why the delete of images from life and death? -==S V 07:23, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Anne_Archer.jpg

I believe it is, because I got it from www.us.imdb.com before they cracked down on downloaders... It must be okay, because that's where I got it from; before the afore mentioned site's crackdown. user_talk:Michael Reiter

It means the picture of Anne Archer (Anne_Archer.jpg) must be public domain, and that it is okay for our purposes... user_talk:Michael Reiter

I have been tagging

In fact, I think I tagged every one you mentioned, plus a bunch more over the last week or so. Maury 23:40, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Toyslove images

Hiya.. I have altered my votes to Keep now that the copyright status has been clarified and the spam URLs filed off the images. --Stormie 07:07, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Wikiquotepar

This has been protected long enough. Please unprotect it per talk, WP:RFPP unprotect request, and Wikipedia:Meta-templates considered harmful. -- Netoholic @ 14:14, 2005 Feb 8 (UTC)

dup locator maps

Hi, I just adjusted the Balearic Islands to use Image:Locator map of Balearic.png instead of Image:Ccaa-balearic.png and was going to {{ifd}} the old one when I realized they're both on Commons. I'm new here, so I figured I'd ask before continuing... FYI, I've also tweaked Canary Islands, Melilla and Ceuta and listed the old locators already. Any input welcome. —Davenbelle 19:41, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on peoples' comments. Feel free to drop me more bookmarks. I'm wondering if I should de-list the ones I've done. It would seem like a move to Commons SW feature needs to be implemented in order to preserve history. If I edit pages to use Commons maps and the like without doing anything about the resulting orphans, does it create a problem? I expect that orphans can be found easily enough. —Davenbelle 20:01, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Questions about moving things to the Commons.

Greetings. You noted at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#February 8 that I had changed the deletion tag on Image:Tears.jpg from {{ifd}} to {{dbc}}, and that this put it in Category:Images to be moved to the Commons. You're right, and I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing here. I could use any help or advice you can offer. I've tried to start a discussion at Talk:Wikimedia Commons#Moving images to the Commons. See you there? – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 19:43, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Absolutely! And thank you very much for the kind words. dbenbenn | talk 20:42, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Image:Dimma.jpg

Hi, I noticed that you put the {{PD-old}} tag on Image:Dimma.jpg. Did you find a source for the photo? I realize that the Cover to the Book of Dimmais is way past copyright. However since it is a 3-D object, the Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. decision does not apply to it. Therefore the photograph itself must clear copyright. I do hope you have found that this photo is copyright free, as I would have use for it in an article I plan to write. Dsmdgold 23:58, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I am not convinced, for the simply reason that the cover to the Book of Dimma is not a two dimensional object, it is a piece of three dimensional metalwork. Three dimensional objects cast shadows. The manipulation of the lighting and positioning of the camera when photographing a 3-D object so as to obtain the desired effect from the shadows does constitute the low level of creativity needed to create a copyright. This image clearly shows shadows which would indicate that this is a photograph, rather than an etching, engraving, drawing, rubbing, or tracing. As a photograph of a three dimensional object, unless we can demonstrate it was made prior to 1932, the safest course would be to assume that a copyright exists. My suspicion is that this image is pre-1932 but I don't know that it is. Please understand that I would delighted if the image could be proven to be in public domain, either because my reasoning is faulty or because this is a pre-1932 photograph. I wrote the Book of Dimma article. I supplied the other image in the article. I have a use for the image of the cover. I would be especially delighted if I an wrong and "low-profile" works of three dimensional art can be considered as two dimensional, because that would allow me to use a much broader group of images. But unless the 3-dimensional nature of the cover is addressed, I won't be convinced by appeals to court cases based on copies of two dimensional works of art. Dsmdgold 02:26, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

I saw that you put the moved the image back to unverified. I'm sorry to be a pain about this, but I really do believe that we should tread lightly here. If it helps for the image sleuths, I have on order from inter-library loan a standard refernce work for gospel books from the British Isles, which should be here any day now. Although the I doubt that the pic is there it should have a fairly complete bibliography for the Dimma. If you want, I can pass that along and perhaps some one with access to a good academic library could go liik in the books. I doubt you will find the source on the net. When I wrote the Book of Dimma article, I did a Google image source and ran across this image, but didn't use it because of copyright concerns. Some one came and put it in a bit later, and I suspect they found it in the same place.

Lithograph status

Hi Quadell,

regarding the status of the lithographs that I have uploaded in the past, well, I really don't know their copyright myself as I am terrible at keeping records of the source history.

If in doubt, go ahead and delete any in question. Most were uploaded when I didn't know any better and I have since been much more astute.

Cheers!

Steve nova

Images

I made Image:East Prussia 1939.png myself. Actually, I made it and user Burschenschafter changed it without my permission. We can delete it. Schwartz und Weiss 22:13, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Unknown thingy

I've tried to get someone to identify the image I talked to you about last year, but as of yet, I haven't received a reply. I may try to contact them again later, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Sorry! Mgm|^(talk) 11:15, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)

Deletion

Re our request to delete Dysfunctional family and Redpath Sugar. Have no idea how, but after we created them, they are in dulpicat and none of the the links (What links here) show up. Go to their category(s) and you will see them listed twice. Can't remember the name, but think there might be another that was triplicated. Go to these category(s) (or any one of them in the article) and you will see the article is listed more than once. Thanks for your help.

- Category:Companies of Canada – Redpath Sugar
- Category:Family - Dysfunctional family

JillandJack 16:45, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Neither of us have any computer skills beyond type and paste and even that is usually filled with errors! Would you mind putting this info up on that "Technical" page so that maybe someone can fix it. Thanks for taking the time to help out. JillandJack 18:23, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing those. Strange though, the links didn't show up until I went to each article, deleted the link, saved, reopened, and reinserted the link. JillandJack 06:11, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)