User talk:Peaceray/archive/2018

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Tech News: 2018-02

16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for communicating with me. My purpose for getting invollved with wikipedia is to disseminate my expertise with Tinnitus. I find the tinnitus article as it is presently to be lacking in a couple of areas and would like to enhance the article [I get emails regularly from people with relatively uncommon tinnitus who "discover" my articles that describes their tinnitus and want more information/help]. If the information were in the wikipedia article, then I think they would not be so delayed in identinfying the kind of tinnitus they have and would get thhe appropriate treatment.. It seems that many doctors who treat tinnitus likewise are deficient in their knowledge about these areas of tinnitus.

So far I have not heard back what I wrote on the TALK page for the tinnitus article. I wonder if you might not help me make some progress.ObbyRAL (talk) 07:19, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

This Sunday! Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference (updated speakers + schedule)

Sunday January 14: Wikipedia Day NYC 2018
 
 

Part of Wikipedia's global 17th birthday celebration, Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 at Ace Hotel will include a mini-conference of scheduled panels as well as unconference style talks and discussions proposed by attendees on the day of the event. We are very excited to announce speakers such as Jason Scott (Internet Archive), Jackie Koerner (Visiting Scholar, Wiki Ed), and Andrew Lih (Wikimedia DC), as well as a fantastic line-up of panels that highlight projects and issues of relevance to the Wikimedia NYC community.

See Wikipedia Day NYC 2018 speakers + schedule

And there will be cake.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00am - 6:30 pm at Ace Hotel, 20 West 29th Street in Manhattan

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 02:22, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

18:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

23:56, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

17:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Suffragette Katrina ely tiffany

Source:

I am a family member, I'm the source! I'll leave it up to wikipedia if you want to add her to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.205.57 (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@71.161.205.57: Katrina Ely Tiffany may well have been a suffragette, but is she notable as per Wikipedia:Notability (people)? Notability needs to be established via verification from a reliable source.
If Katrina Ely Tiffany is truly notable, then you might want to write the article first. Please see Wikipedia:Your first article.
Peaceray (talk) 03:47, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Learning Quarterly: January 2018

20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Suggestions

That's for your helpful suggestions. I'll endeavour to leave edit summaries in future. GusF (talk) 15:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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February 21: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday February 21, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Africa and the Diaspora Edit-a-thon @ Schomburg Center for Black Culture on Saturday February 24!

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22:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Dashboard

Hi Ray! Did you set up a dashboard for the Art+Feminism meetup? It might be helpful later for reporting participation. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I think I found it here, will add myself as offsite participant. Can put off packing for my trip a little while longer. I saw that you found the meetup template. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Yep: "Seattle Jacob Lawrence Gallery AF 2018". Programs & Events Dashboard. Retrieved 2018-02-24.
Peaceray (talk) 22:55, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Sent you a text message requesting a code to sign myself up. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
@Bri: You can find that in the Resource document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S2I1OFq85PumyKCysh498HwabPu3cmbLkZuN122HYtA/edit#
Peaceray (talk) 23:25, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Read the documentation? Never! Actually, I shouldn't joke about that with a tech writer, should I? ☆ Bri (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Art+feminism drafts

These drafts are fair game if anybody wants to expand them. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon: Jewish Women Artists (March 8, Oregon Jewish Museum)

On March 8 (International Women's Day), the Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education and artist Shoshana Gugenheim will be hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon to create and improve Wikipedia articles about Jewish women artists. Click here for more information. You can also express interest or suggest articles to create or improve here. This event is free and open to the public, and will serve as both a public art action and a public educational program. Participation is welcome in person and remotely (for those outside of Portland). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Andrée Le Coultre

Thanks for your contributions at Andrée Le Coultre. I know you're itching to get going on this, but this article is only a couple hours old, and as a work of contruction and translation from the French article, it takes some time to complete the translation and verify it, and to assure that the references are correctly rendered and linked to the body. While the {{in use}} template is still up there, that means I'm actively working on constructing the article, and changes by other users risk getting clobbered, so please hold off a bit for a day or two, and then you're more than welcome to attack it with all your might. I've had to undo a few of your changes, but I'll either put them back when I'm done, or let you know when you can have a look, and see if it still makes sense to apply them. Thanks for your interest in Andrée Le Coultre! Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 06:53, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I did see the notice, & I was very judicious about my last couple of edits in the External links section. Unless you are editing on the entire article, that should not be a problem. If you are editing the entire article, well no wonder there are conflicts. Please work on individual sections. That will avoid edit conflicts. I do not see any recent edit activity on your part in the External links section except the reversion of my edits. I have taken part in edit-a-thons with half a dozen editors on a single article. We successfully avoided edit conflicts by working on individual sections. Definitely we want the duplicate {{DEFAULTSORT}} removed & the {{Authority control}} put in soon. My citation improvements can always be reinstated later. Peaceray (talk) 07:04, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. I guess the article just isn't ready for prime time yet, and I probably shouldn't be editing in article space when it's in this kind of state. I've removed the article from article space, and will put it back when it's ready to go. That should be in a day or two. Thanks for your help on external links and other things. I reinstated your edits to fix Defaultsort and Authority control. Mathglot (talk) 07:22, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Translation done. However, there's plenty of stuff left to do if you're interested, starting with the first sentence, which lacks a pronunciation guide and vital statistics, through bottom material, which lacks a See also. It's all yours; have at it! Mathglot (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon (March 10, Pacific Northwest College of Art)

On Saturday, March 10 (11am to 4pm), the Pacific Northwest College of Art (PNCA) will be hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon to create and improve Wikipedia articles about art, feminism, and women. You can read details on the Facebook event page, or this Wikipedia meetup page. Tutorials for new editors, reference materials, childcare, and refreshments will be provided. Bring your laptop, power cord and ideas for entries that need updating or creation. For the editing-averse, you're welcome to stop by to show your support! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

19:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Wednesday March 21, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk)

P.S. You are also invited to Art + Feminism Events in the New York Metropolitan Area continuing this month!

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15:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Regarding changes to Q16988318

Hello Peaceray,

My name is Mike Tokash and I am IT for the company now called CDTi Advanced Materials, Inc. formally Clean Diesel Technologies, Inc. We would like to change our company name on Wiki from Clean Diesel Technologies, Inc. to CDTi Advanced Materials,Inc. and our address from 1621 Fiske Place Oxnard Ca. to 1700 Fiske Place Oxnard Ca. I tried to make the edits and you undid the changes.

"‪Peaceray‬ left a message on your talk page in "‪March 2018‬". Hello, I'm Peaceray. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Q16988318 because it didn't appear construc... View message ‪Peaceray‬ View changes".

You can verify the information by visiting to our website http://www.cdti.com. You can visit our newsroom for the press release on the company name and address change.

I am new to making changes in Wiki so any help with the correct protocol on making these changes would greatly be appreciated.

Thank you for your time on this matter.

Mike Tokash LAN Administrator Phone: 805.501.6941 Email: mtokash@cdti.com

Mtokash (talk) 16:49, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

CANCELLED: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 

Due to the winter storm warning, the WikiWednesday Salon & Skillshare scheduled for March 21st has been cancelled. Please consider attending one of the many edit-a-thons scheduled for this week. We look forward to editing with you soon!

--Megs (talk)

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20:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Women in Red's April+Further with Art+Feminism 2018

 
Please join us as Women in Red and Art+Feminism continue our collaboration in April 2018. Continue the work you've done in March and pledge to help close the gender gap in April! All you need to do is sign up on the Meet-Up page below and list any articles you create in the month of April.
 


April+Further with Art+Feminism

To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list or Women in Red/international list. To unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list. Follow us on Twitter: @wikiwomeninred

19:28, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Art+Feminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon (April 13, University of Oregon)

On Friday, April 13 (3pm to 6pm), the University of Oregon will be hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon to create and improve Wikipedia articles about art and feminism. You can learn more at the Dashboard page, or our Wikipedia meetup page. Tutorials for new editors, reference materials, and snacks will be provided. Please bring your laptop, power cord and ideas for entries that need updating or creation. For the editing-averse, we urge you to stop by to show your support and have snacks! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

18:08, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Red ensign

Apologies. I had never thought of that. Good to know for the future. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

  • @Acad Ronin: No problem. I stumbled upon that yesterday. I did not expect that syntax with the |Ship flag= parameter. I got to those ship pages via the Special:LintErrors/bogus-image-options page while viewing the (Article) namespace, which was complaining about this syntax:
|Ship country= |Ship flag= [[File:Civil Ensign of the United Kingdom.svg|60px|Red Ensign|United Kingdom]]
that then seemed to work when I changed it to:
|Ship country=United Kingdom |Ship flag= [[File:Civil Ensign of the United Kingdom.svg|60px|Red Ensign]]
Peaceray (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

15:21, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Wednesday April 25th, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly WikiWednesday evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda! After the main meeting, pizza and video games in the gallery.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our agenda, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Megs (talk)

(You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by adding or removing your name from this list.)

Thanks for that warm introduction a while back!

Thanks for that warm introduction a while back! I'm mostly a drive-by editor, but I do occasionally make larger changes, which make those resources invaluable. (As you can see, I haven't checked notifications terribly often!) Jpaugh64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Upcoming changes to wikitext parsing

Hello,

There will be some changes to the way wikitext is parsed during the next few weeks. It will affect all namespaces. You can see a list of pages that may display incorrectly at Special:LintErrors. Since most of the easy problems have already been solved at the English Wikipedia, I am specifically contacting tech-savvy editors such as yourself with this one-time message, in the hope that you will be able to investigate the remaining high-priority pages during the next month.

There are approximately 10,000 articles (and many more non-article pages) with high-priority errors. The most important ones are the articles with misnested tags and table problems. Some of these involve templates, such as infoboxes, or the way the template is used in the article. In some cases, the "error" is a minor, unimportant difference in the visual appearance. In other cases, the results are undesirable. You can see a before-and-after comparison of any article by adding ?action=parsermigration-edit to the end of a link, like this: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Arthur_Foss?action=parsermigration-edit (which shows a difference in how {{infobox ship}} is parsed).

If you are interested in helping with this project, please see Wikipedia:Linter. There are also some basic instructions (and links to even more information) at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-April/001836.html You can also leave a note at WT:Linter if you have questions.

Thank you for all the good things you do for the English Wikipedia. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

18:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

RF resonant cavity thruster

Hello Peaceray. If you edited on pseudoscientific topics before, you should know that most pseodoscientific topics have at least some strange results published in seamingly legitimate fora. For Homeopathy this includes the infamous study by Jacques Benveniste, which claimed there was water memory. It got published in Nature, but never legitimately reproduced. Your comparison of this NASA study to the Moon Landing is painfully out of proportion. Several other publications point out possible sources of experimental error, including Snopes and Phys.org. These sources also point out that the design has no physically plausible mechanism of action (i.e. would violate the laws of physics if it worked). This is also largely parallell to the state of the art in Homeopathy and related fields. Also similar to Homeopathy, proponents of the theory suggest all kinds of explanations based on principles of nature that the mainstream physics community somehow missed out.

I understand that you hold the opinion you hold in good faith. Use of policy violation templates in a content dispute is generally not a good faith practice however. Heptor (talk) 09:26, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Heptor, I have placed many, many warning edits. I have received feedback on a couple of occasions from editors expressed offense at receiving warning templates. I will note that WP:Don't template the regulars is neither a policy nor a guideline, but an essay. I do place templates cautiously on experienced editors' talk pages, & only when I believe that policy or guidelines have been breached.
RF resonant cavity thruster had over 2,300 edits & a history of thorough discussion, including long discussions on the very perspective that you are trying to champion. I do not know whether it is because of ignorance or willful disregard, but in either case an experienced editor should know better than to change the lead from "a controversial proposed type of" to "fictional" or from "Skeptics have deemed it to be impossible, as it would violate" to "Such drive would violate" when the language in the lead had been so painstakingly arrived at by talk page discussion on that very terminology & by WP:EDITCONSENSUS. Your dismissive attitude was summed up by your edit summary: What's going on here, this is a scientific encyclopedia, not fanfic. Violates laws of nature = fictional. You appear to be in total denial of experimental results that have yet to be disproved or explained, that have been verified by reliable sources. I will begin by pointing you at the Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth essay.
Despite my statements that I am familiar with WP:PSCI, you keep lecturing me about it. OK, my turn. I ask you to review the following: Pseudoskepticism, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Final decision, Pseudoskepticism on Rational Wiki, & Shermer, Michael (2015-03-01). "What Can Be Done about Pseudoskepticism?". Scientific American. doi:10.1038/scientificamerican0315-74. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |url= (help) The progress of science is littered with examples of scientific orthodoxy that blindly dismissed minority scientific beliefs that we now know to be true. Witness the persecution of Galeleo, the early prevalence of the miasma theory over the germ theory of disease, the rejection of the work of Ignaz Semmelweis, the difficulties of John Lykoudis & Barry Marshall in establishing credibility for the treatment of peptic ulcer disease by antibiotics, & Einstein's dismissal of quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance". As I have stated on your talk page, "If & when we see an explanation that discounts the EM Drive results, then it will be incumbent on us to state that. But right now we have results and no explanation either way, so it is our obligation to report the results in WP:NPOV."
So back to those templates. In placing the first warning template about adhering to a neutral point of view, {{uw-npov1}}, I wrote Please discuss you proposed changes on the talk page. In my limited experience of 24,000+ edits, this is usually effective way to get an editor to discuss a disputed edit & often leads to an acceptable compromise. However, when I have indicated to an editor that I dispute their edits as WP:POV and I have asked that editor to discuss on the talk page, I will assume that when an editor simply reverts the edit & does not engage in discussion, then that editor is operating in disruptive behavior. I therefore cannot assume good faith in such circumstances.
Peaceray (talk) 06:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
What you are describing above is a content dispute. There is an active discussion on the talk page of the article, where it belongs. There is a minority support for calling this design outright pseudoscience, and certainly a lot of support for not implying that it is a working thing in Wikipedia's voice. I understand that you disagree, and I do not question that you disagree in good faith. You should not have resorted to making accusations on my talk page, however. Especially given your experience. By the way, 2,500 edits here, hopefully including some with good quality. Heptor (talk) 13:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
With regards to what you wrote in the last sentence, "[...] when an editor simply reverts the edit & does not engage in discussion, then that editor is operating in disruptive behavior." I would like to emphasize that I didn't do any reverts in the article space, and there was a discussion on the talk page by the time you placed the {{Uw-disruptive2}} template on my talk page. I made two separate edits with substantial difference between them. Admittedly the first edit was a bit snarky, but the second one is, I believe, in line with -- I'm sorry to say -- the Wikipedia policy on PSCI, which is a part of NP.
It may be that you interpreted the sequence of events differently, so I will again ask you to please reconsider your accusation that I didn't edit the article in good faith. Heptor (talk) 21:46, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

16:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

16:28, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Art+Feminism, Jacob Lawrence Gallery, Saturday, May 12th, 1-5pm

 
 
For more info see
the meetup page
for Art+Feminism
.
Wikipedia is one of the most wide-reaching repositories of shared knowledge, yet a 2011 survey found that less than 10% of its contributors identify as female, suggesting an alarming absence of voices. What and how information is shared is skewed by this gender disparity. To help change this, the Jacob Lawrence Gallery is organizing a quarterly series of Edit-a-thons to improve Wikipedia's coverage of womxn artists of color.

This Saturday afternoon's gathering will focus on creating, editing, updating, and expanding pages for womxn artists from Latin America and the Caribbean. The Edit-a-thon will feature a talk by Dan Paz, Lecturer in the UW School of Art + Art History + Design, an artist, and an educator who explores the labor of digital imaging production as a collaborative site where the intersections of the image-idea and lived experience are produced and contested. Through videos, photography, and sculptural projects that query the ability of documentary processes to be manipulated—to be multiplied and replicated, stopped and started, rewound and advanced—Dan works within the impossibilities of absolute replication to question the very ability of the image to truly represent.

Everyone is welcome. Access to UW WiFi will be provided for non-UW affiliated participants. All you need to bring is your laptop, power cord, and ideas. No previous Wikipedia experience required! Childcare, snacks from local businesses, and editing tutorials will be provided. Please check the Facebook event page for updates.

When: Saturday, May 12th, 1-5pm
Where: Jacob Lawrence Gallery, Art Building #132, 1915 NE Chelan Ln, Seattle, Washington 98105
Who: Everyone is welcome.
What to bring: A laptop and power cord. Access to UW WiFi will be provided for non-UW affliated participants.

Posted by
 
who will assist at Art+Feminism,
Jacob Lawrence Gallery,
UW, Seattle
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22:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Event coordinator

Hi, the English Wikipedia recently created a new user permission for editors involved in off-wiki outreach work, event coordinator. This new permission allows users to mark accounts for confirmed for up to 10 days, and also allows them to create accounts for events without rate limits without some of the features of the account creator right that aren't used at edit-a-thons and other events. I have added the event coordinator permission to your account and removed the account creator permission, as you appear to have been using it mainly for outreach work.

This should have no noticeable impact on your ability to create accounts, and will give you the extra ability to temporarily confirm accounts if you need to. For more in formation, you can see the information page on the right, or you can ask me if you have any questions. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:45, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

17:34, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

May 23: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday May 23, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Action = History: Wikipedia Edit-a-thon for Asian American Literature on Sunday May 27!

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Nomination for deletion of Module:Entity formatting

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Discussion at draft

  You are invited to join the discussion at draft. I can't as I am bound by policies. you may otherwise. anyway, I checked your xtools before I replied. Quek157 (talk) 09:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

12:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Glaciernwlogo.gif

 

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Wikipedia:MOS:QUOTE listed at Redirects for discussion

 

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21:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

21:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Black Bear Ranch

Thanks for the comment on my edit to the Black Bear Ranch page. I've restored it. The source cited for the bogus quote is an unreliable one, based on Richard Marley's well-known habit of jocularity, and deserves to be removed from the article. I have a reliable source for the edit I made, which I will cite shortly. There are many other outrageous items in this article, which I plan to correct. Fred Mindlinfmindlin (talk) 06:12, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Learning Quarterly: June 2018

L&E Newsletter / Volume 5 / Issue 16 / June 2018
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June 20: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (and Pratt Women Wikipedia Design this Saturday June 16)

Wednesday June 20, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 19:12, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to Wikiproject Women Wikipedia Design @ Pratt Institute School of Architecture, Saturday, June 16!

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21:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Message from @Addust

I did not know it was unconstructive! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Addust (talkcontribs) 18:08, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Addust: Please read the policies & guidelines. Although you may thing adding notes or comments to articles is a good thing, it is appropriate to do this on the talk page, not the article itself. If you do add something to an article, please verify it with a citation from a reliable source, otherwise it appears to be original research, which is against Wikipedia policy. Peaceray (talk) 18:16, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

-- Message 2 from @Addust -- I do not know how to use Ref. I'm autistic, you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Addust (talkcontribs) 15:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

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00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

23:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Thursday July 12: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ Jefferson Market Library

Thursday July 12, 5-8pm: Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon @ Jefferson Market Library
 
 

Wikimedia NYC invites you to attend a Wiki Loves Pride Edit-a-thon on Thursday, July 12th at Jefferson Market Library! Wiki Loves Pride is a global campaign to expand and improve LGBT-related content across all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. We are holding this year's event in July in order to support folx who want to contribute a photograph they took at one of NYC's many Pride events or edit an article about something they learned this June. Not sure what to contribute? No problem! We will have a list of articles that need your help.

5:00pm - 8:00 pm at Jefferson Market Library, 425 6th Ave

--Megs (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

P.S. You are also invited to the "picnic anyone can edit", the Great American Wiknic NYC @ Prospect Park, Sunday, July 29!

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16:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Barnstar of Diligence
Awarded for working tirelessly to remove copyright violations in Open Space Technology Tyw7  (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 20:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

August and New Achievements at Women in Red

Meetups #87, #88, #89, #90

 
An exciting new month for Women in Red!


August 2018 worldwide online editathons:
New: Indigenous women Women of marginalized populations Women writers Geofocus: Bottom 10
Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative
Notable women, broadly-construed!



For the first time, this month we are trying out our Monthly achievement initiative

  • All creators of new biographies can keep track of their progress and earn virtual awards.
  • It can be used in conjunction with the above editathons or for any women's biography created in August.
  • Try it out when you create your first biography of the month.

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Sunday July 29: Annual Wiki-Picnic @ Prospect Park

Sunday July 29, 2-7pm: Annual Wiki-Picnic
 
 
 

You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's green Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

2–7pm - come by any time! Our reserved picnicking area is by Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance, located at Prospect Park West and 15th Street.
The picnic will be held by the park's Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance immediately on the lawn to your right as you walk through the lovely lotus columns.
Look for us by the Wikipedia / Wikimedia NYC banner!

We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 08:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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Precious

welcome

Thank you for quality articles such as Violante Visconti, H. Douglas Keith, Glossary of geography terms and Matteo I Visconti, for tirelessly welcoming new users, for "The Boston Tea Party may have started in a coffee house", - intently listening user, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: You're welcome & thanks for your recognition! Peaceray (talk) 00:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 

Tech News: 2018-30

09:44, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Peaceray,

I hope that this is a proper way of replying to your post on my talk page. If not, please let me know. Thank you for your welcoming pointers and words of encouragement. I noticed that new editors are stimulated to create new pages. That will have to wait in my case. For now, I prefer to perform modest edits in existing pages on commons and xx.wikipedia only, correcting obvious or likely errors as I encounter them, and/or filling in some gaps. I still have a stash of bookmarked pages that I had no time for in the past.

Using your pointers, I have already looked around a bit, and I must say I'm somewhat taken aback with the complexity of the "organization subtree" of wikipedia.org. But I'll stroll around some more before bothering you or other more experienced editors with questions.

Oh yes. One thing. I see the point in having edit summaries on "normal" pages, and understand why there is none here. There is such a field on RFC discussion pages, but I'll regard that as a just-in-case-you-feel-the-urge feature (unless the comment was very long).

Thank you for reading this, and Peace, man ;-) Obbart (talk) 13:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

July 2018

<EDITED: Warning withheld. Did not AGF.> TallGuysFree (talk) 06:11, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@TallGuysFree: One reversion does not make an edit war, particularly when it was in response to an inaccurate edit summary (namely that the material in question was "a discussion forum" when it was not). I mentioned my valid objection in the edit summary.
You are a relative neophyte (please compare your edit tally to mine), so you may be unfamiliar with some of the tools, templates, & etiquette on Wikipedia. A better choice instead of removing the reference might have been to place the {{Better source}} template. Also, it is best to initiate a discussion on the article talk page & invite any editor with whom you have a potential conflict to that discussion. Since your have not done this, your placing the {{uw-ew}} is a pretty serious breach of the assume good faith behavioral guideline. Your mis-characterization of thetallestman.com as a discussion site, your ommission in signing your post at Talk:Robert Wadlow, & your failure to assume good faith each could warrant a warning message. Rather than do that, I would instead invite you to withdrawal your warning to me by deleting this entire section & then to use one of the talkback templates to invite me to the discussion on the Talk:Robert Wadlow page.
Peaceray (talk) 16:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I made a mistake and I'm not going to hide any evidence that I made a mistake. I am sorry for coming across as rude, and I'm not sure why you didn't warn me. Go ahead and call me names like neophyte, brag about your contribution count. You're right in saying that I didn't assume good faith, I apologize. I am also guilty of failing to sign my post (which, for whatever reason, in 2018, isn't automatic...). I'm certain you can agree that editing on wikipedia is not an easy task. I tried. TallGuysFree (talk) 03:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Talkback

 
Hello, Peaceray. You have new messages at Talk:Robert_Wadlow.
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Hi Peaceray,

Your opinion would be highly appreciated on the talk page of Robert Wadlow regarding a source and its reliability. Please consider adding your voice! Thank you! TallGuysFree (talk) 03:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

14:05, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Chiyo Miyako

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Chiyo Miyako. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Andrew D. (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

19:39, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

17:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Seattle Wiknic 2018

 
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August 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday August 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 23:53, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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16:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

AfroCine: Join us for the Months of African Cinema in October!

 
 

Greetings!

You are receiving this message because your username or portal was listed as a participant of a WikiProject that is related to Africa, the Carribean, Cinema or theatre.

This is to introduce you to a new Wikiproject called AfroCine. This new project is dedicated to improving the Wikipedia coverage of the history, works, people, places, events, etc, that are associated with the cinema, theatre and arts of Africa, African countries, the carribbean, and the diaspora. If you would love to be part of this or you're already contributing in this area, kindly list your name as a participant on the project page here.

Furthermore, In the months of October and November, the WikiProject is organizing a global on-wiki contest and edit-a-thon tagged: The Months of African Cinema. If you would love to join us for this exciting event, also list your username as a participant for this event here. In preparation for the contest, please do suggest relevant articles that need to be created or expanded in different countries, during this event!

If you have any questions, complaints, suggestions, etc., please reach out to me personally on my talkpage! Cheers!--Jamie Tubers (talk) 20:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

22:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

21:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

September 26: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting

Wednesday September 26, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

This month will also feature on our agenda, upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections - you can add yourself as a candidate.

We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 145 West 14th Street
(note the new address, a couple of doors down from the former Babycastles location)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 20:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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15:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

17:34, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Months of African Cinema!

 
 

Greetings!

The AfroCine Project welcomes you to October, the first out of the two months which has been dedicated to improving contents that centre around the cinema of Africa, the Caribbean, and the diaspora.

This is a global online edit-a-thon, which is happening in at least 5 language editions of Wikipedia, including the English Wikipedia! Join us in this exciting venture, by helping to create or expand articles which are connected to this scope. Also remember to list your name under the participants section, if you haven't done so already.

On English Wikipedia, we would be recognizing Users who are able to achieve the following:

  • Overall winner (1st, 2nd, 3rd places)
  • Country Winners
  • Diversity winner
  • High quality contributors
  • Gender-gap fillers
  • Page improvers
  • Wikidata Translators

For further information about the contest, the recognition categories and how to participate, please visit the contest page here. For further inquiries, please leave comments on the contest talkpage or on the main project talkpage. See you around :).--Jamie Tubers (talk) 22:50, 03 October 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive addition?

What was disruptive about saying that after a recount made by the green party they found out Clinton's voters were long dead Chris Roe234 (talk) 20:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

@Chris Roe234: Statements without verification from a reliable source are simply not credible & violate Wikipedia policy. If you cannot agree to follow Wikipedia policy, perhaps you might be more comfortable at Conservapedia or something of the like. Peaceray (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

23:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Peaceray,

Hope you're doing well and I hope we can continue to collaborate on editing projects together, and not have conflict over editing pages.

Your friend in editing, Wisc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiscipidier (talkcontribs) 17:52, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

 
 

You are invited to join two events supported by the Wikimedia NYC community on Sunday October 14:

2:00pm - 6:00 pm at ITP, Tisch School of the Arts. New York University (721 Broadway, New York, NY)
The photo competition is at many sites all weekend, this is just the concluding event
2:00 - 5:00pm at Interference Archive (314 7th Street, Brooklyn, NY)
Note the new Park Slope location for Interference Archive

Have a WikiWonderful Weekend! --Pharos (talk) 04:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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WikiConference North America registration

You have to register to accept the scholarship.--Pharos (talk) 20:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pharos:   Done Peaceray (talk) 05:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

22:40, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

23:11, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

October 24: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

October 24, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Triangle Arts Association in the DUMBO neighborhood of Brooklyn. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Triangle Arts Association (Suite 317 & 318) at 20 Jay Street, Brooklyn
(note this month we will be meeting in DUMBO, Brooklyn, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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Sunday October 28: Wikidata Birthday Party
 
 

Wikidata, the newest project of the Wikimedia movement, went live on October 29, 2012. Please join Wikimedia New York City as we celebrate its sixth birthday at the Ace Hotel. There will be (optional) lightning talks, casual conversation, and, most importantly, CAKE!

No experience with Wikidata? No problem. This event is open to all.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues on Sunday!--Wikimedia New York City Team 15:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Bonus edit-a-thons on Saturday

The day before the Wikiata Birthday, on Saturday, you are also welcome to join Archtober Wikipedia Edit-a-thon @ Bard Graduate Center or Black Lunch Table @ Magnum Foundation. Please RSVP to those pages if you plan on joining.

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17:28, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

You need to stop your destructive editing and vandalism immediately or you will be PERMANENTLY banned! Worthless trolls and idiots are not tolerated on wikipedia. Go suck your mommy's tits. This is you ONLY warning!210.185.165.71 (talk) 03:25, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

@210.185.165.71: Try using a verification from a reliable source. It will get you considerably further than insults. Peaceray (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

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Learning Quarterly: November 2018

L&E Newsletter / Volume 5 / Issue 17 / November 2018
Learning Quarterly

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16:12, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Please join us for our Cascadia Wikimedians annual meeting, Saturday, December 29, 1 PM

 
If you are in the Seattle area, please join us for our Cascadia Wikimedians annual meeting, Saturday, December 29, 1 PM. If you cannot attend in person, you may join us virtually from your PC, Mac, Linux, iOS, or Android at this link: https://zoom.us/j/2207426850. The address of the physical meeting is: Capitol Hill Meeting Room at Capitol Hill Library (425 Harvard Ave. E., Seattle, WA 98102) 47°37′23″N 122°19′22″W / 47.622928°N 122.322912°W / 47.622928; -122.322912

The event page is here. You do not have to be a member to attend, but only members can vote in board elections. New members may join in person by completing the membership registration form onsite or (to be posted) online and paying $5 for a calendar year / $0.50 per month for the remainder of a year. Current members may renew for 2019 at the meeting as well.

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17:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Editing

Hello Peaceray,

Hope you are doing well and thank you for your insight into editing on Wikipedia.

I look to people like you to become a better writer myself (and stay out of trouble). If there are any resources you might recommend to make me a better writer, please do let me know.

I also think it's really cool how you have traveled across the country at various Wikipedia functions as well, it's awesome when people are able to spread knowledge and bring insights wherever they go.


Sincerely, Wisc. Wiscipidier (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Billy Strahorn

Every week a new Cleanup Listing comes out for Wikiproject Jazz. There's always a new list of dead links. What do you suggest I do if these links? Second, although I know the policy, I thought I had made clear in my edit summary that it's better to avoid making things difficult for the reader. If possible, and it usually is, people ought to find sources other than pay sources, otherwise a footnote really serves no purpose because it can't be checked by the reader. Keep in mind the reader. Keep in mind the audience. Who are we working for? Them. The purpose of a footnote is so people can check sources themselves. Pay sources prohibit that. Not everyone can afford pay sources. So, on this point, too, I ask: What do you suggest I do with that? You care a lot about this article. That's good. Would you be willing to work on it to get rid of the problems? Thanks.Vmavanti (talk) 02:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Vmavanti: Wow, there is a lot in those statements that I feel is at odds with the Wikimedia statement of purpose: "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and globally".
  • Again, the WP:SOURCEACCESS portion of the verifiability policy states: "Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print-only source may be available only in university libraries. Rare historical sources may even be available only in special museum collections and archives. Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. If you have trouble accessing a source, others may be able to do so on your behalf." The important thing here is that somebody needs to be able to verify it, *not* everyone.
  • If we eliminated all sources that "can't be checked by the reader", that would also mean eliminating print-only sources. What is wrong with citing a book of which there are only six copies in the US. Yes, I have encountered this very situation.
  • Verifying statements when the only reliable source(s) are behind paywalls represents nothing less that the liberation of that information. Unverified statements can be removed at anytime. When the only citation available is behind a paywall, to not use it to verify has the potential to seriously diminish Wikipedia & deny the free flow of information to the reader. The presence in Wikipedia may represent the only availability of that information outside of closed access sources.
  • "Not everyone can afford pay sources" is a true statement. But there are alternatives. For some, a trip to a library or a university that does have access to paywalled sources is an option. For those who cannot access that way, WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request is an option.
  • When there is an open/free source available, I wholeheartedly advocate using that. I am in alignment with The Wikipedia Library Strives for Open Access, but not to the exclusion of paywall or print-only sources when nothing else is available.
You asked "What do you suggest I do?"
  • First, I would suggest you do due diligence. In the case of the Billy Strahorn article, you removed a dead link that I later restored then resolved. I went to that web site, found it had a search function, so I searched for Billy Strahorn, found an article, grabbed the DOI, put it into Citer. Simple & easy! I did add {{Closed access}} after the ref tag & before the citation template & also the |subscription=y parameter. If a site for a dead link has no search function, then you can plop the search name & the Google search parameter site: into Google. For example: paywall site:wikimedia.org.
  • Second, leave dead links be! There is likely at some point some SME who will eventually come along & solve the problem. It might be messy, look unfinished, & take a long time, but hey, the Wikipedia globe logo is unfinished for a reason. The work of building an encyclopedia is never done.
You asked "Would you be willing to work on it to get rid of the problems?" Um, for what reason do you think I am here? After welcoming users, reverting vandalism, & warning vandals, you will find that my next priority is improving citations, whether that is changing bare URLs into citation templates, adding OCLC numbers to books, resolving dead links, or using Harvard referencing & shortened footnotes, & et cetera. I am a former part-time university reference librarian, after all.
Peaceray (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for thanking me. Nice to be appreciated. I'll just mention here that I'm glad that article came to my attention. Frankly, though the general coverage of Strayhorn seems basically accurate, the underpinnings are a mess. So, as I said, I will try to clean this up as I get the chance. Regards, Alan W (talk) 23:09, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
December 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
 
 

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Fordham University's Lincoln Center campus in Manhattan, near Columbus Circle. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Fordham University's Lincoln Center campus (South Lounge) at 113 W 60th Street, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Manhattan, near Columbus Circle, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 03:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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20:34, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Yemen

Could I get you to join the chat about the student essay that was added to the article yesterday that is horribly sourced and clearly way too much for this country article. Normally I would just make a new article with these additions but I can't cuz it's so horribly sourced. Last thing we need is experience editors not knowing what's going on.--Moxy (talk) 00:21, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Moxy: I do a lot of vandalism patrol, & I have knee-jerk reactions when there is a paucity of information in the edit summary, someone is removing sourced material, & that editor has already been reverted. I would say that my vandalism reversion rate is probably correct 99%, but there is that one percent when I do get it wrong. My apologies for not getting it right this time, but please understand that edit summaries like "not like that" & "not ready" do not convey any useful information. I was not even able to discern your meaning from "Again removed horribly Source underweight for this article. Please bring us those hot page if you wish to restore unsighted material". Yes, I do get it wrong some of the time, & I am going to continue to err on the side of the occasional false positive in favor of reverting vandalism quickly. Peaceray (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2018 (UTC)