User talk:OwenBlacker/Archive 8
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see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 January 9#Template:Unbulleted list. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
- thank you for your comments at the DRV. it would be great if you could clarify your response, since it wasn't clear if you were endorsing the original closure of 'keep' or the subsequently revised closure of 'delete'. thank you again. Frietjes (talk) 18:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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Interactive Historical Atlas of the World
Owen,
You are a regular contributer of maps to wikimedia. You might be interested in this new site called ChronoAtlas.com. The interactive historical atlas of the world.
The site allows you to browse the entire globe at any point in history and see boundaries changing over time and cities and other features appearing on the map at the time they were founded. The site is also 100% interactive, you can contribute your own data: meaning your own cities, battles, and photos of historic places and events, and you can also draw boundaries of any historical kingdom you want, or edit those drawn by others if they are inaccurate.
Thanks and let me know what you think of the site.
Gmann101
www.ChronoAtlas.com
Template:Sc
Hi. Is there some other way of dealing with the merge suggestion to Template:Sc rather than include the "being considered for merger" tag in the Template page? That comment is being transcluded into every other template that Template:Sc is referenced in and it's showing up on article pages. See Joakim Noah, for example, which uses Template:Respell. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah. Another editor has done a noinclude on the merge suggestion, that took care of it. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 22:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
- I was just about to do the same and noticed that I'd been beaten to it. Sorry, I didn't think to check quite how widely used it was. Stupid of me. Long day. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:48, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
- it's taken care of, no probs. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 22:52, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Owen,
Do either of these address the accessibility issue?
- {{Hardsmallcaps1}}
- {{Hardsmallcaps2}}
— kwami (talk) 02:21, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- No, both of those have hard-coded styles that override the
class="smallcaps"
, which doesn't take effect, because of the{{uc: }}
magic word. They both come out as forced capitals to me. I would guess moving the{{uc: }}
so that it surrounds only{{{1}}}
and{{{2}}}
, rather than any of the HTML, I'd guess. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 11:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- That's what I tried to do with {{Hardsmallcaps2}}. Could you try playing around with that, to see if you can get anything to work? If not, we might try one of the coding projects. — kwami (talk) 01:05, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello, You have requested a map for the A470 article today on the Discussion page. Any ideas how such a long route may be shown, other than on a map of pretty well the whole of Wales? Regards, Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:20, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- I was broadly thinking of a map of Wales with the route marked on it. A north–south route is never going to have a map that's too tall for an infobox, unless it were running the length of a continent :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 17:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- I read that you are Welsh. Do you have a particular interest in this "trans-continental highway"? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:13, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- :o) More that it came up in the 2012 United Kingdom budget and I wasn't sure where it is. (Fy nain a taid lived in Aberystwyth, so I know the A47 but not the A470.) It just seemed odd there was no map with a nice red line on it. :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 08:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I hope the money will be put to good effect... any indication of what is planned? The A470 is one of those roads that cry out to be driven from start to finish. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It was in the technology section:
- Will extend mobile coverage to 60,000 rural homes and along at least 10 key roads by 2015, including the A2 and A29 in Northern Ireland, the A57, A143, A169, A352, A360 and A591 in England, the A82(T) in Scotland and the A470(T) in Wales, subject to planning permission, using the £150m investment announced at Autumn Statement 2011. — Budget 2012: Technology section from Treasury Budget Report, BBC News Online, 21 March 2012
- So not road-specific, but good news nonetheless. I've never been along the road, but the route (from what I can gather without a map ;o) sounds stunning. I'll have to find someone to drive me along it sometime :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 09:06, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- I got the hint about the missing map... see what we can come up with!
- "We are working on it", as the saying goes. Had not realised before that it is styled as a (T). I'll let you know. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- I know, I know. Sorry, was only teasing :o) Yeah, apparently it's considered a trunk road. Who knew? :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 09:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
- It was in the technology section:
- Well, I hope the money will be put to good effect... any indication of what is planned? The A470 is one of those roads that cry out to be driven from start to finish. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Done! ...have a look! Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- Perfect; that's awesome and exactly what I had in mind. Thank you! — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm glad you like it... rather pleased with it, myself. I think it is in the correct position on the left. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- As you should be; it's precisely what I had in mind :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- I have never been able to resist welshcakes. I still have my mother's cast iron bakestone (maen). Mustn't be too sweet, though. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- As you should be; it's precisely what I had in mind :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:05, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
- I'm glad you like it... rather pleased with it, myself. I think it is in the correct position on the left. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Smallcaps all (continue)
The TfD is complete – discussion has resumed on the template talk page to implement fixes suggested by the TfD. Your assistance is requested. Thanks. —Telpardec TALK 16:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks!
...for cleaning up those templates by converting to SVG. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- No problem; I noticed both the PNG and the SVG were on the list of cascade-protected items, which just seemed unnecessary :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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Done {{Talkback|Pigsonthewing|Template:End date}}
Gong
Woohoo. A Graphic Barnstar. Hey Owen that's highly appreciated. Diolch. Rebel Redcoat (talk)
- You're welcome :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 19:08, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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I know it was 4 years ago, but please don't put Serbo-Croatian IPA transcriptions without tones. They're useless without them. Thanks in advance --Matthiaspl (talk) 14:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Inflection of Gaulish verbs
Hello,
I saw that you contributed the article in Wikipedia about the Gaulish language with a grid of noun cases. Do you maybe know how the verbs are inflected or only how the infinitive and the present forms are built? I ask this because I want to make more use of a Gaulish glossary I found (http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/glossary/gaul.html), which only inflected forms like 3rd person present active are in and no infinitive, in Wiktionary.
Please answer me & excuse my English Greetings HeliosX (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't know anything at all about Gaulish; all I did was format information that was already in the article. If you look through the article history, you should be able to find the editor who introduced the text originally. I searched WikiBlame for brātīr to see if I could find who'd posted the noun table originally, but it didn't come up with anything.
- To be honest, your best bet would probably be to post a message on Talk:Gaulish language and see if anyone there can help. Good luck! — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:36, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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- By the time I'd seen this, the article had already been deleted and redirected to Jean François Porchez, which seems reasonable enough to me. Thanks for having let me know. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 09:25, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm sorry about the automatic Twinkle notification (so impersonal!). Another user had created a new page Typofonderie, which I'd put up for speedy deletion under {{db-corp}}, and in looking into it I found the page you created as a duplicate article. After doing some research I realised your original redirect was much more sensible, so that's what I went with. ALl the best, Yunshui 雲水 09:32, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the Twinkle notification; I'd rather receive those in the knowledge that someone's doing something more important than not be notified at all :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 11:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm sorry about the automatic Twinkle notification (so impersonal!). Another user had created a new page Typofonderie, which I'd put up for speedy deletion under {{db-corp}}, and in looking into it I found the page you created as a duplicate article. After doing some research I realised your original redirect was much more sensible, so that's what I went with. ALl the best, Yunshui 雲水 09:32, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Lowercase v for u not correct in Latin
Hi. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Classical_Greece_and_Rome#Latin_epigraphy_and_orthography. I am not here to tell you that MOS:Ety is not as it should be (though I can imagine cases where presenting ancient primary sources might really need a more nuanced policy), but simply to ask for your help in making sure that MOS:Ety not be implemented in such a way as to introduce erroneous Latin into the articles. Cheers, Wareh (talk) 01:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- I've answered this on the WikiProject talk: page. I wasn't aware that V was considered equivalent to both u and v and, frankly, I'm pleased that it is — the use of v as a consonant has always felt hypercorrect to me :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 08:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind reply. It seems the project members are fine with edits like to Roman Republic, but concerned that MOS:Ety will need to be written more carefully in order not to prohibit, for example, careful transcriptions of what we read on Roman coins. I hope that, if that seems reasonable to you, you might help MOS:Ety grow in the right direction, since (speaking just for myself) not all of us are MOS-crafters! Yes, any discussion of substance is probably better at the project page where it is more visible. Wareh (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- The issue around small caps and MOS:Ety is that text set all in capitals ("proper" capitals or small caps) is more difficult to read for people with various optical defects (particularly an astigmatism, from which I suffer) and so the premise underlying our accessibility policy (MOS:ACCESS) means we should avoid capitalised text wherever possible.
- We often make changes to quoted text to standardise appearance (see MOS:QUOTE) and one of the "allowable typographical changes" is to reformat small caps (it's about halfway through the long bullet point starting "Some text styling should be altered.").
- There is a template ({{smallcaps}}) that uses CSS to format mixed-case text to small caps (and is overridable by user CSS, but this should not be used in this case, per MOS:SMALLCAPS and MOS:Ety, precisely because of the accessibility problem. The way we are meant to format Latin quotations is to reduce the text to lowercase or mixed-case. The "careful transcription" of Latin should indeed include reducing small caps. For example, the £2 coin in my pocket has an inscription that should be rendered
Elizabeth II Dei Gra Reg Fid Def
, not ELIZABETH II DEI GRA REG FID DEF or ELIZABETH II DEI GRA REG FID DEF (ignoring that this is not currently the case in the article about that coin). That the use of capitals in Latin is anachronistic is ignored, in the same way that we convert æ→ae, œ→oe, ſ→s, and ye→the. - Does that make sense? :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Since it requires an original interpretation on the part of the Wikpedian transcribing the legend, aka OR, it does raise a question for me. People not trained in the orthography and epigraphy of the language they're transcribing can make errors, which is what started the discussion. Thus the placing of "careful transcription" in scare quotes above, as if such a thing hardly merits consideration, seems a little dismissive. Wareh referred also to diplomatic transcription, for articles that specifically deal with epigraphy as such, and not the content of inscriptions. I understand and thoroughly commend the concern for accessibility, as my eyesight has devolved to a state where I can scarcely read Greek, and need a magnifying glass for my OLD. By the time I zoom to the point where I might hope to discern Greek diacriticals, my purpose is usually defeated by pixillation. I'm quite sad that I can't spend a part of my declining years reading Pindar.
- Most scholarly transcriptions these days, as was pointed out by PManderson toward the end of in this discussion, don't use all caps anyway, but the use of small caps remains a convention of numismatics, for various reasons, including the brevity of coin legends. I wonder, idealist that I am, whether a clickable inline conversion template might be developed, for the best of both worlds, as sometimes used on Wikipedia for measurements. The editor would provide both a faithful, source-based transcription, and also an admittedly original transcription that meets accessibility standards. A reader could then access whichever she required, with both available for reference. Again, this would be appropriate only in the context of such topics as orthography and epigraphy, when it might be necessary to try to replicate the source inscription. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- I should also point out that this has nothing to do with anachronism; it's rather an issue of correctly representing the work of secondary sources. Also, in uploading images, here or on Commons, some diligent editors provide transcriptions when they photograph epitaphs and such, because the inscriptions might not be as legible as in person. The file descriptions should represent the original as accurately as possible, including the use of caps and odd line breaks, even if transcribed differently in an article, so that editors have something to check against and can reduce copying errors. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your kind reply. It seems the project members are fine with edits like to Roman Republic, but concerned that MOS:Ety will need to be written more carefully in order not to prohibit, for example, careful transcriptions of what we read on Roman coins. I hope that, if that seems reasonable to you, you might help MOS:Ety grow in the right direction, since (speaking just for myself) not all of us are MOS-crafters! Yes, any discussion of substance is probably better at the project page where it is more visible. Wareh (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Just a quick drive-by, so forgive me if I'm missing some nuance. But it occurs to me that the ancient Romans did not use a capital/lowercase distinction, and that therefore perhaps what we Classicists ought to be advocating is the use of ALL CAPS when appropriate for a transcription of an ancient source. MOS:Ety could say something like, "If an article presents a precise transcription of an ancient source, it should use all caps, not small caps." This is so simple I dare not believe it solves all our problems, but...? Now, if a secondary source uses a typographical distinction of small caps, we might end up reproducing that when following that secondary source. But if it's not a distinction with a difference, I'd rather bend in the direction of accessibility and accept all caps. Wareh (talk) 17:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- (Sorry for the radio silence since my earlier comment — I checked in over lunch, but I'm really busy at work at the moment, so didn't get a chance to drop by mid-afternoon.)
- Sorry, my intention was not for scare quotes but merely to make it clear I was quoting the previous comment; there was no deliberate implication that careful (or, as you mentioned, diplomatic) transcription was not worthwhile in and of itself. I've worked in web development for 15 years and as soon as web accessibility became a thing, I took an interest in it; accessibility is important, to my mind, particularly for Wikipedia.
- I wasn't aware of the discussion you mention or PManderson's comments within it, but that's good to know. Your idea about a clickable conversion template is a good one, though, and wouldn't be all that difficult to implement; I might have a look and see if I can write something like that (though my JavaScript is pretty rusty ;o) I would suggest, though, that transcribed text should be available in both the original format and transcribed — just the same as how I would hope a mediæval document would be transcribed with Tironian notes and "scribal abbreviations" (PDF)., as well as transcribed into modern typographic conventions (and Modern English).
- To your point, Wareh, though, absolutely not — MOS:Ety is deliberately advising against, partly for the accessibility issue and partly because it just looks awkward in [traditional] typesetting. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand the last part addressed to me. Sure, we don't like all caps when not necessary, but "it looks awkward" is not a reason why we can't present primary texts in all caps in those very occasional cases where we give a careful transcription, is it? I'm sure you realize that it was the awkward-looking thing that originally motivated someone to use the small caps, and I'm assuming you believe that if elegance and accessibility conflict, we should go with accessibility. The only way out I see to say, "Diplomatic transcription of ancient artefacts bearing Latin script is never permitted on Wikipedia"; while I acknowledge this is getting a bit abstract (some examples of where caps are used to transcribe, not just to prettify or make "authentic" would be nice), my scholarly instincts rebel at such a prohibition. Wareh (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- You're not being dense at all. And I'm more of the opinion that we should find elegant solutions to accessibility problems — it should be rare that there's an either/or situation. That said, I can't think of many situations on Wikipedia where there would be much diplomatic transcription. Surely if it's a big block of text, then it would belong on Wikisource, rather than Wikipedia (presumably in diplomatic transcription, modern transcription and translation into English); excerpts would then be presented on Wikipedia in modern transcription (by which I mean mixed case; I just can't think of a better name). Maybe it would help me work out what I actually think on the matter if you could give me an example of where an article might contain more than a couple of sentences or where you feel that even those couple of sentences should not be in modern transcription? — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- I'm just happy that my proposal for a conversion template for phrases isn't inherently crazy or impossible, since I myself lack the technical knowledge to conceive of such a thing. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Once I'm less hungover (probably tomorrow), I'll take a look and see what I can come up with :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 18:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- Cabbage … Cynwolfe (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- How interesting; I'd never heard of that before. I was being slightly lazy in my description; I was more tired than hungover, but thank you for the thought — a very interesting digression it led to :o) —OwenBlacker (Talk) 20:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Cabbage … Cynwolfe (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- Once I'm less hungover (probably tomorrow), I'll take a look and see what I can come up with :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 18:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- I'm just happy that my proposal for a conversion template for phrases isn't inherently crazy or impossible, since I myself lack the technical knowledge to conceive of such a thing. Cynwolfe (talk) 14:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- You're not being dense at all. And I'm more of the opinion that we should find elegant solutions to accessibility problems — it should be rare that there's an either/or situation. That said, I can't think of many situations on Wikipedia where there would be much diplomatic transcription. Surely if it's a big block of text, then it would belong on Wikisource, rather than Wikipedia (presumably in diplomatic transcription, modern transcription and translation into English); excerpts would then be presented on Wikipedia in modern transcription (by which I mean mixed case; I just can't think of a better name). Maybe it would help me work out what I actually think on the matter if you could give me an example of where an article might contain more than a couple of sentences or where you feel that even those couple of sentences should not be in modern transcription? — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand the last part addressed to me. Sure, we don't like all caps when not necessary, but "it looks awkward" is not a reason why we can't present primary texts in all caps in those very occasional cases where we give a careful transcription, is it? I'm sure you realize that it was the awkward-looking thing that originally motivated someone to use the small caps, and I'm assuming you believe that if elegance and accessibility conflict, we should go with accessibility. The only way out I see to say, "Diplomatic transcription of ancient artefacts bearing Latin script is never permitted on Wikipedia"; while I acknowledge this is getting a bit abstract (some examples of where caps are used to transcribe, not just to prettify or make "authentic" would be nice), my scholarly instincts rebel at such a prohibition. Wareh (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not very closely engaged with Wikipedia at the moment, and I'm not directly involved with articles that feature close transcriptions. So let me lead off with my hope that the right solution can be found, not here in user-talk discussion, but through updates and discussions with a wider group of classicists, numismatists, etc. But just to throw out a quick example I found via Category:Coins of ancient Rome: Judaea Capta coinage. A close look shows inconsistent use of both small caps and all caps for Latin (the latter in a mixed Latin/Greek context), which might strengthen the case for all caps as a standard. I have to assume the authors of this article would want to put forward arguments against elimination of the capital letters that represent what's found on the coins; also note that logically this would mean abandoning the capitals for Greek as well as Latin, which gets us into interpreting Ancient Greek accents, etc. So my gut is telling me that capital letters are going to remain a useful resource to represent such inscriptions, and in the short term perhaps MOS:Ety can say that what's going on at Judaea Capta coinage et al. is ok, until and unless the expert editors & technical wizards come up with some other compromise or solution. Wareh (talk) 18:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, indeed; any final policy would have to involve the classicists and numismatists as well as accessibility nuts like myself and the editing community at-large. My gut feel, though, (and certainly my personal preference) would object to the uses at Judaea Capta coinage, as well. I think I'll move this thread to Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Accessibility shortly, but I'm not really in the right frame of mind to give it much thought at the moment, after a somewhat self-indulgent and draining Bank Holiday weekend :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 20:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for your continued interest, and, if you let the classics/numismatics wikiprojects know what's being discussed & how it might affect articles of that sort, then you needn't feel any obligation to keep me in the loop more directly. Wareh (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Let me be dogged one more moment and say that I would agree with Wareh that it would be actively misleading to change the capitalization in the numismatic example he gave. For instance, we wouldn't consider h2o to be an acceptable rendering of H
2O; the former is simply incorrect. And transcription can very much be "original research" both in the Wikipedia sense (as an interpretation of primary sources) and in the usual scholarly sense. To give a hypothetical example, D in Latin script can represent the Roman numeral, which wouldn't be written in lowercase. In some forms of inscription where the text is fragmentary and numerals are used, it might be a matter of interpretation as to whether the numeral or the letter was meant. In Greek, a capital delta is Δ, which is obviously also a triangle. There are inscriptions, particularly magic tablets, where the visual symbol of Δ as a shape may be purposeful, so a lowercase δ would not be an informative rendering. I see this as representing the secondary source accurately and not engaging in original interpretation of primary sources. That's why I would prefer a template where readers with accessibility needs could be served through a click. (Hope you feel better!) Cynwolfe (talk) 03:43, 28 August 2012 (UTC)- No problem with being dogged — if people didn't care about their topics, we wouldn't have a Wikipedia, after all!
- Yes, I can definitely see situations where uppercase letters should not be transformed and I can see your point about OR around transcription; I'm sure we can come up with some kind of solution that meets all these competing needs. I'm not gonna be able to engage much in the next 36 hours or so, but I'll work out how to summarise this discussion thusfar and move it over to the MOS Talk: page and then engage all the interested parties we've discussed so far (and any others we can all think of). But please don't disengage from the discussion for fear that you're being too dogged or something. Interested, informed opinions being aired in a healthy discussion is how good policy gets made, after all! :o)
- — OwenBlacker (Talk) 07:58, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
- Let me be dogged one more moment and say that I would agree with Wareh that it would be actively misleading to change the capitalization in the numismatic example he gave. For instance, we wouldn't consider h2o to be an acceptable rendering of H
- Ok, thanks for your continued interest, and, if you let the classics/numismatics wikiprojects know what's being discussed & how it might affect articles of that sort, then you needn't feel any obligation to keep me in the loop more directly. Wareh (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I had another shot at trying to improve the lead section of Closure (computer science). Do you think it is an improvement? Cheers, —Ruud 00:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that looks much better, thanks. I still think non-coders might struggle, but at least people with a basic understanding of CompSci (but not a degree in it, like me) should be able to follow that. Thank you. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 10:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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- Done The image has effectively (and correctly) been replaced by commons:File:Greater coat of arms of Sweden (without ermine mantling).svg, so I've amended the File: page appropriately (replacing Template:di-orphaned fair use with Template:Now Commons and commenting out the redundant FURs) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 12:16, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for October 26
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Palestinian Authority issue
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Disambiguation link notification for December 9
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Greeting!
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – is wishing you the season's greetings.
Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas,
Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus,
or the Saturnalia,
this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.
- Diolch yn fawr. A nadolig llawen a blwyddyn newydd dda i chdi eto :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 02:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hyderaf eich bod wedi cael Nadolig da. Mae'r datgeliadau am Margaret Thatcher a'r Falklands, yn enwedig yr apêl olaf-ffos gan Ronald Reagan i Margaret Thatcher i roi'r gorau i'r ymgyrch i ail-sefyll y Falklands, yn newyddion anhygoel ... Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard13:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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