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Hi MarB4, the intention is not to soapbox, but to be informative and encyclopedic. Improvisation forms the mainstay of ACT 2 CAM's film-making repertoire, and Mike Leigh, who is a leading exponent of Improvisation in film has written to the company on the subject. The company has recently been recognised for its work in improvisation by The Stage, a national UK paper in the field of performance (which is why I thought it pertinent to create a Wiki page at this time. I have made several recent contributions to Wiki regarding ACT 2 CAM and requested a review of the page I have created. While writing the page I have also back linked from some articles (hence ACT 2 CAM edit on the improvisation page, on the acting school page, on the applied drama page, etc). ACT 2 CAM is known for its work in teaching and learning through improvisation, and is currently conducting research into improvisation in film (educational perspective) for 'Research in Drama Education' (UK). May I replace the edit?

Hi Obsteve. :-) If you want to discuss potential edits to an article, the talk page for that article is a good place to ask. (At the top of every article is a little tab that says "discussion." Click on it and you'll be on that article's talk page. You also might be interested in the theatre or film WikiProjects. (A WikiProject is a group of editors all interested in the same subject.) Often WikiProjects have guidelines or suggestions about how to write articles on the subjects they cover. Plus the people there would have similiar interests. Cloveapple (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Ooops, I should have given you the links to the WikiProjects I mentioned above. That'd be Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre and Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. Cloveapple (talk) 21:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Ha ha!

You know what, thanks so much! At that point I was relegated to guessing as to what he was saying. I was like, 'Oh, no.. I hope I have it right..' But anyway, thanks for clarifying that for me! If you ever need anything, just holler. Thanks so much! Just a question; is the rest of it right? Because I was guessing about that too. Let me know. Bravo! Alfa! Papa! 19:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I figured that someone would normally say meek. But I thought that he was being original by saying weak. You know how it is when you can't hear something clearly; you just make it up according to your own personality. That old chestnut. So I take it that everything else in the quote is alright; cool. Bravo! Alfa! Papa! 19:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

That's funny! Bravo! Alfa! Papa! 00:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thatcher footy stuff

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The Football Premiere League and Football League rejected suggestions to hold a minute's silence around the country's football grounds, amid fears that any attempt to impose it would backfire. Their decision backed by the Football Supporters' Federation and the Hillsborough Familiy Support Group.

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I added this to yr page, in case you don't see it on mine. I'm not going to be adding anything to the Thatcher article for a bit. So far I've only kept a partial eye-out for Legacy related stuff. Your bit is notable IMO and touches upon the political (like most of the reactions) but it is not part of her lasting legacy, it is a one-off reaction. You should try adding it at the appropriate section here. Don't get into an edit-war, try bringing it up on the talkpage first. Hillbillyholiday ^talk 18:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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I wish I could help you, but I haven't been editing very much for a very long time. I'm very rusty with deterring vandals. I would say that your best bet is to contact an administrator (that's your best bet either way since ultimately an administrator is the one that has the real power to block, not just your average editor like you or I). I'm positive that if you contact any administrator, they will walk you through the steps. It's almost guaranteed! Good luck on your endeavors! Lighthead ^þ 00:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

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Photos copyright

Hi Obsteve, can you explain how it is that you are the owner of the copyright on the files you've been uploading? They appear to be the property of the school. If you do in fact work for the school in any capacity, I strongly suggest you disclose that information, as is required by Wikipedia. Not doing so generally ends up looking bad for the company involved, in the public's eye, for example if an investigation at WP:COIN needs to be opened, template banners added to the top of the article, or the offending editor blocked from editing. There could be even more serious consequences for the company, see especially WP:NOHIDDENADS. On the other hand, many companies have a great relationship with Wikipedia, and participate openly in guiding the articles about them, providing accurate information, photographs, etc., in line with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Just to be clear, you're never required to reveal your name, identity, or other personal information, only whether or not you are closely connected - see the links in the section above for the requirements and procedures. Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 21:02, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

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I took the photos bts (behind the scenes) photos myself, during shoots. The participants have full authorisation for their images to be released. Yes, you are right, the stills from the film are the property of the company. However, I would still like to put them on Wiki commons somehow, but they keep getting removed, no matter what I do. I'm obviously doing something wrong for them to keep being removed. I have permission to post them, and I have tried uploading them several times using the uploading wizard, with different boxes ticked. Still, nothing sticks. Any help would be gratefully received.

I will declare my daughter attending classes as a potential conflict of interest, as you have recommended Obsteve (talk) 17:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

[End of copied reply] --IamNotU (talk) 18:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Fyi, there are easier ways to get the photos accepted, than RHaworth's suggestion to put them on the website first. For example you can simply have the company send an official e-mail with a release saying your account is authorized to upload its files under the appropriate license. See the OTRS page on Wikimedia. --IamNotU (talk) 17:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Obsteve, did you get a chance to read through the links that I left above earlier? As I mentioned, you need to disclose your paid contributions, as required by the Wikipedia Terms of Use. Wikipedia takes this very seriously, as it has legal implications for the Wikimedia foundation. Users who continue to make undisclosed paid contributions will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This is explained in the Paid-contribution disclosure policy. It's a policy, and is not optional, please read it, thanks.

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Apart from the requirement to disclose your employer, and being blocked if you don't, it seems there's little if any difference between the general COI editing disclosure you already made, and paid editing disclosure, as you can see in the guideline starting at WP:COIEDIT. The former is "strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly", while the latter is "very strongly discouraged"...

Thank-you for adding the COI template above. Unfortunately, it's not the right template, and not the right place, so you can remove it. It looks like RHaworth has taken the liberty of adding a template to your user page. However, it's also not the right template for disclosing paid contributions. In order to do that, edit your user page: User:Obsteve and replace:

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Or choose one of the other options described in the Paid-contribution disclosure policy. I've taken the liberty of adding a paid contributor template to the article's talk page already, so you don't have to do anything about that. You're free to dispute any of this, but I think I mentioned that things tend to go badly for people who fail to disclose properly. Ending up being completely blocked from editing, with all their articles deleted, is not an unlikely outcome. I wanted to give you a heads up about it, and try to spare any unnecessary embarrassment for you and the school. --IamNotU (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi IamNotU Yes, I have read, and have found it very helpful, thank you. I am genuinely not being paid for updates I have been making. I am doing them in my spare time (take a look at the times of these edits) and out of genuine desire to be informative and encyclopaedic. What have since read, and I was heartened by, was the option instead to request edits. I wish I had known about this earlier, and I think this will be the best way forward from now on, in order to remove the COI beyond all doubt. In my defence, there were factual inaccuracies on the page (hence the flurry of edits I have been making recently), which I believe it was important to rectify, in order not to give false information. However, I am in complete agreement I am not the best placed person to make these amendments, and will submit any edits from now on, rather than tinkering as I have been doing. I am in discussions with RHaworth who has been very helpful and informative about best practice, and who also amended the COI disclosure I had put on my talk page following our own discussion. Obsteve (talk) 00:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I can understand that it may not be clear to you, but as the owner/manager of a small business, who regularly carries out various online promotional activities, you fall under the "Paid contributions" definition, and must follow the "Paid-contribution disclosure" policy with respect to edits concerning the school. This is true even if you are not paid specifically to edit Wikipedia. If you think I've made a mistake about this, we can open a discussion at the COI noticeboard and ask them to weigh in on it. As I said, I don't think at this point that it makes much difference as far as you're concerned. Either way, there's a chance the article will be deleted, though if it is, it still might be possible to start over following the COI rules (which might be the best idea anyway). The paid-contribution disclosure requirement in the Terms of Use is more to protect Wikipedia itself from legal trouble. --IamNotU (talk) 16:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi IamNotU, you are not mistaken, I have read the article and can see how I fall into that bracket, now. There is currently an info-box message to that effect on the talk page, and I will follow the disclosure format as recommended. You have been extraordinarily helpful and, though it is a bitter pill for me to swallow, and I have nothing but positive regard for your contributions and for the Wiki values. If ACT 2 CAM gets deleted, that only means that it was not wiki-worthy at this time, and that is inspiration, not demotivation. Also, it is a lesson in neutrality, which can only be a good thing. That there is genuine notability in this project I have no doubt, though I now understand I am entirely the wrong person to be curating the article. Many thanks, Obsteve (talk) 19:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Citations needed!

Hi Obsteve, you probably noticed I made some notes on the article's talk page about the sources. I took some time to go through them all, and unfortunately it's not looking so good... I think the COI thing can be dealt with, but not much can be done if there isn't enough evidence of notability, as it won't survive the AfD process. If you can find any sources that discuss the organization itself in some depth, please put them on the article's talk page, and I can put them into the article if they're helpful. You'd need probably at least one regional-distribution article. I had a look around Google myself, and couldn't find much. There are a couple of articles in The Journal about Cullercoats Fishlass [1], [2], but they don't cover the school itself in any depth. Things like the Sky News link [3] don't count if they're based on your own press releases. You mentioned The Stage and The Guardian? The first doesn't seem to be online, and as mainly an industry publication it's not enough on its own, but if there was some in-depth coverage it would be helpful. I don't think there was ever anything in The Guardian, but rather the local The News Guardian, right? --IamNotU (talk) 23:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi IamNotU, I see your point and agree, better citations are needed on this article. On inspection, 2 of the references now actually point to stuff which is totally unrelated, though they didn't at the time of editing. There are articles that discuss the organisation, including regional and national distribution, and one Guardian article (not local News Guardian), and I will spend some time next week collating them, and if ACT 2 CAM doesn't pass the notability test after that, I agree it will need to be deleted.

Ok, well maybe mention it if you need a bit more time, deletion discussions are normally closed after seven days, but can be extended. One article in the Guardian discussing the organization itself in significant detail would likely be enough, but I couldn't find anything when I searched. --IamNotU (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

HiIamNotU I hsaven't found the Guardian Article yet, but there is one. Also I have located an extract from BBC Look North, 6pm 13th June 2018, talking about a high profile film we made, about a boy with autism who was never invited to parties. I haven't got an online version, but I do have a movie file.

Hi Obsteve, in order to establish that ACT 2 CAM has the level of notability required, the sources would have to meet the criteria in WP:ORGCRITE. And they have to be about ACT 2 CAM, as a company/school, not just about one or more of your films. For example, Look North talking about a film you made doesn't help, unless it goes into depth about the company, its history, accomplishments, personnel, etc. - the story has to be about the school, and there should be enough material about it to form the basis of a substantial article. Even if one of your films was considered notable (according to the criteria in WP:NFILM), that doesn't make the company notable. See WP:NRVE and WP:NOTINHERITED. Secondly, you'd have to convince an independent editor to write an article. Such a person won't likely accept borderline sources, it would have to quite clearly meet the WP:ORGCRITE criteria. Maybe sometime in the future that will happen, but it doesn't seem like it to me at the moment. Good luck... --IamNotU (talk) 09:16, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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Please don't make promotional edits like this, where you inserted the sentence "The ACT 2 CAM Way" promotes the core values of CONFIDENCE, COMMUNITY and CREATIVITY. Their motto, DRAMA SETS YOU FREE, underpins their belief in "the power of the arts to free us from our fears and transform our lives" or They encourage and guide young people to celebrate their individuality, and to develop their own unique understanding of life.. While organization/you may say and think so (and I'm not saying the organisation is not helping), Wikipedia is not an extension of an organisations website or a place for Wikipedia:Wikipuffery. Thanks Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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