User talk:Nthep/Archive 59
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Wikidata weekly summary #581
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Wikidata weekly summary #582
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Top Bar Follow up
Hi Nthep, you had helped me add my contributions and wathlist to the topbar and sticky header and was wondering if you could help me with something similar. What would be the code to add my sandbox and to-do list page (User:Aza24/To do list) there as well? Best – Aza24 (talk) 06:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- responded at own talk page. Nthep (talk) 21:12, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – July 2023
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).
- Contributions to the English Wikipedia are now released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of CC BY-SA 3.0. Contributions are still also released under the GFDL license.
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Wikidata weekly summary #583
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"Harry rerok" is back editing here. Same Edit Summary as an edit you reverted and expunged; can't tell whether the edit itself is the same. Spike-from-NH (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Spike-from-NH no apparent copyvio. No comment on the suitability of the content changes as basketball is not a sport that interests me. Nthep (talk) 20:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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Big Jim McLain page hubbub
Greetings User Nthep. As you are an administrator, and the one who took the most recent action at the above page, can you please help me understand what's going on there. I have no idea what a "cd-revdel" is (and never heard of the thing, but for the lecture handed out by User Mako). All I know is that no version of the page's history is "active" beyond the first four or five entries. The rest all have lines through their dates and such, and cannot be accessed, even to view what changes the edits had made.
Can you please shed some light on what has happened, and when the page will return to normal and be editable again? Thank you. ~
(Sorry, can't sign this post. Some new feature crept up on my computer today determined to volunteer how to end any word I begin to type, which I can most certainly live without, and which is preventing me from typing four tildes in a row; instead, it volunteers them in groups of like 20. No thanks.) 2601:196:180:DC0:DE0:B9E6:6D56:9050 (talk) 19:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Back in 2013 someone added a whole load of copyrighted text. Wikipedia policy on flagrant copyright violations is that as well as the offending text being removed, all the revisions that contained the text (i.e. all those between it being added and removed) need to be hidden from public view - that's revdel, short for WP:Revision deletion. The article can be edited normally except you can't see what specific changes were made by each of the hidden edits. That's an unwanted but unavoidable side effect of a copyright violation not being noticed for 10 years. Nthep (talk) 20:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Why that is completely insane. And exponential overkill. In fact, everything User Mako did (and requested) was, including starting out with an offensive mass revert (rather than identifying any specific issues he had and dealing with them individually). He correctly identified the Production section as a defacto trivia section. Fine, delete anything unwarranted, and the obvious direct cribs from IMDb (which is what I did, flag the cribs). Everything that happened after that is a nightmare.
- The best thing you can do as an administrator is restore this page prior to Mako's edits, then delete the obvious/identifed IMDb cribs. If Mako then has anything he'd like to address, he can - individually, not with any repeat mass revert. Let's see if we can't get this page back on track. Thank you. ~ (Same problem, seemingly the browser - Edge - won't let me insert four consecutive tildes. Just one, or blocks of 20.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:B832:7834:9DFB:2E13 (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- The copyright issues have been dealt with per policy. If you and Mako have a content dispute over various sections, the start a discussion at the article talk page, Talk:Big Jim McLain. If needs be put your entire proposed content there -as long as it doesn't contain verbatim copy from IMDB - and then have the discussion. Nthep (talk) 11:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Jeepers creepers, this just keeps getting more Orwellian. I'm the one who flagged the problem content, not generated it. This whole thing has completely spun out of control since. This is all wild overkill, from mass reverts to putting an entire page and wonking chunk of its history in permanent quarantine. Can't you see that? "Policies". You need to be able to see the bigger picture - you're an administrator. Neutron-bombing the thing should be a last resort, not first, requested by some over-avid WP user or not. ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:B832:7834:9DFB:2E13 (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm the one who flagged the problem content, not generated it.
I apologise for suggesting you introduced any copyvio. Just re-edit the article. This is the text of the amendments you made to the plot
- Jeepers creepers, this just keeps getting more Orwellian. I'm the one who flagged the problem content, not generated it. This whole thing has completely spun out of control since. This is all wild overkill, from mass reverts to putting an entire page and wonking chunk of its history in permanent quarantine. Can't you see that? "Policies". You need to be able to see the bigger picture - you're an administrator. Neutron-bombing the thing should be a last resort, not first, requested by some over-avid WP user or not. ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:B832:7834:9DFB:2E13 (talk) 15:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- The copyright issues have been dealt with per policy. If you and Mako have a content dispute over various sections, the start a discussion at the article talk page, Talk:Big Jim McLain. If needs be put your entire proposed content there -as long as it doesn't contain verbatim copy from IMDB - and then have the discussion. Nthep (talk) 11:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- The best thing you can do as an administrator is restore this page prior to Mako's edits, then delete the obvious/identifed IMDb cribs. If Mako then has anything he'd like to address, he can - individually, not with any repeat mass revert. Let's see if we can't get this page back on track. Thank you. ~ (Same problem, seemingly the browser - Edge - won't let me insert four consecutive tildes. Just one, or blocks of 20.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:180:DC0:B832:7834:9DFB:2E13 (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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- as per the revision of 12:55 on 8 July 2023.
- Re-insert this into the text, if you wish, then anything that happens subsequently to that is a content dispute between you and whoever and there is no complication due to copyvios being dealt with at the same time. Nthep (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for offering at least a partial common sense solution to sorting out the impacted page. Obviously, I had no reason to make any copy of the edits I'd made to the plot section, and am grateful for the chance to restore them intact (less some small modifications I noticed).
As for the still neutron-bombed former Production section, I'd already done a quite diligent cull of what was and was not lifted (more or less verbatim) from IMDb. That's why I used the multiple citation needed spans to identify it (and, ideally, at least gain independent citation of the flagged content, as, honestly, there is no way of knowing which came first - the WP item or that at IMDb (which offers no means of identifying or tracking edits by date and editor); obviously the onus is on it migrating this direction (a copyright violation, it appears) rather than the other (by license not)).
In theory - and I'm not trying to open up a can of worms here - some "baby" went out with the bathwater in the blanket cd:revdel, as there were entries at WP that were not at IMDb. Which is one additional reason I objected to it (and its "overkill", seeming to use a cannon to kill a mouse. On the other hand, every page with a flytrap "trivia" section (or defacto one masquerading as "In popular culture", or "Famous people (associated with a place by getting a haircut there)") could use a good neutron bombing (or its equivalent), but don't get them.)
In fact, I have come to spend more time at IMDb seeking to clean up its trivia (and other glop there regarded as goofs, plot holes, continuity breaks, and whathaveyou), in some ways an even greater labor of Sisyphus than trying to do the same here), certainly more relatively, as there is no mechanism whatsoever there for verification, just some invisible behind-the-scenes "Oz" who either accepts an item (or edit to it) or not. (Quite a game of blind man's poker.)
Thank you for being receptive to my concerns, and offering a partial solution which is about as Solomonic as it's going to get at this point. I appreciate your amicable and professional manner througout. 2601:196:180:DC0:213B:FD85:694A:C56E (talk) 10:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello Nthep, Thank you very much for the action taken on the page. Yours, -MY, OH MY! (mushy yank) 21:39, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
Revdel at Large Indian civet
You removed the revdel template from Large Indian civet with the edit summary Copyvio revdel completed
, but the page's deletion log is empty and the revisions are still visible in the page history. Was this intentional? If so I'd be curious what your rationale is for not revdeleting since I'm new to copyright cleanup and I appreciate any feedback I can get. — SamX [talk · contribs] 23:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- @SamX nothing wrong with your edits and tagging. For some reason, perhaps the number of revisions, they didn't delete when I hit the delete button. I've gone back and made sure they've gone this time. Nthep (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! — SamX [talk · contribs] 12:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)