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Draft: YesWeHack

Hi there, and thanks for reviewing my draft 2 days ago. I understand that there is not enough significant coverage in my draft to publish it. The issue I encounter is that the company I'm writing about is French, so full and relatable articles about it are written in French. I was wondering if I could add them? Or if references should only be in English? In the meantime, I've rewritten the article and tried to improve it. Any pieces of advice would be much appreciated! Thanks much. Mathbsnd (talk) 12:10, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mathbsnd, French language or any other language is totally acceptable. The only challenge with sources in other language that I particularly face is that it is not easy to determine if it is a reliable source or not. BUT, that doesn't mean that any editor should not use them. So bring them on and we will figure out. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, and thanks for your answer. I added a few references in French in which YesWeHack is the main subject, hoping it will improve the quality of press coverage. Should I submit the draft to the AfC process again, or would you have some time to take another look? Mathbsnd (talk) 14:52, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mathbsnd, sorry for delayed reply. I saw that this got archived here so took a moment to find this conversation. Would it be possible to give WP:THREE here itself? Otherwise, it will take a lot of time for me to differentiate what's new and old. Thanks a lot! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 07:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, no worries, thanks for replying. Sure, for me, the three best sources are: 1. Cybersécurité : Yes We Hack chasse les bugs en Asie 2. YesWeHack à l'assaut du monde 3. YesWeHack: 'The idea is to be a European alternative to the US bug bounty platforms’ So two in French and one in English - hope it will be better this time. Thanks and enjoy your day! Mathbsnd (talk) 10:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mathbsnd, starting a new thread here in continuation. I didn't know that I should not edit my archives. Very much thankful for being patient and bringing these french sources also in the mix. I will need some time to analyse them. My constant challenge with sources in other languages is my inability to quickly determine if they are reliable or not. So I might take longer to just go through them. Will ping you. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mathbsnd, refer to thoughts below:

[1] - I am okay with this.

[2] - I am having trouble with believing this is a reliable source. Looks very niche and the article looks heavily influenced by what is being told by the company

[3] - This is an interview so it won't count as independent.

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks for taking the time to review the sources.

For [4], it's indeed quite a niche IT newspaper, maybe this other one in French from a mainstream newspaper will be better? YesWeHack, l'arme anti-pirates informatiques

And for [5], ok, I see. Would this one (French startup YesWeHack raises €4 million with plans to disrupt Europe’s cybersecurity market) work? It's not an IT newspaper nor an interview.

Looking forward to know what you think. Thank you for your time, have a great day! Mathbsnd (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mathbsnd, please refer to thoughts below:

• [6] - Definitely looks like a WP:RS. I can't read it fully but I think it contributes to WP:THREE.
• [7] - unfortunately, I don't feel confident to be on-board this one because this doesn't read very independent and is simply a retell of what might have been told to them by the company. There is no independent comments by the journalists.

We got two already. Just need one more to sail through. Yay! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks again for your review!

• For the third one: this article is not only on YesWeHack but more globally on ethical hacking - more independant than the previous one, I think. This other article deals with France's Covid application, secured by YesWeHack - lots of info about the company as well.

So two other more in French... hoping one will work out! Thanks again and enjoy your day! Mathbsnd (talk) 08:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Mathbsnd, Hey, I think we are good. Can you remove things like making it the first country to ensure continuous security for its contact tracing app through bug bounty. and the laundry list of client. They are disturbing WP:NPOV. We will accept it after that. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:48, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, sorry for answering only now, I haven't checked my wikipedia page for a few days! Thanks much for your advice, I have removed the sentence about the tracing app and the list of clients as well. Have a great day! Mathbsnd (talk) 07:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem Mathbsnd. Have you included the final three sources we agreed upon in the article? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, yes, the final three sources are the references 4. YesWeHack, l'arme anti-pirates informatiques 6. Ces hackers « éthiques » que s'arrachent les entreprises and 9. Cybersécurité : Yes We Hack chasse les bugs en Asie. I've also added the one on the Covid-19 app as reference 11. La France fait appel aux hackers de YesWeHack pour sécuriser l’application StopCovid. So all French references! There are also a few others in the article. Hoping it's good as it is! Thanks a lot. Mathbsnd (talk) 08:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Awesome, Mathbsnd! I was away for some time. Will look at it and take the appropriate action. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mathbsnd!, I accepted the article. I forgot to ask you about your relationship with the subject? How are you connected? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, sorry for the delay of my answer. Thanks for the approval! I'm connected as I work for this company. I hope it's OK? Mathbsnd (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh no, this is definitely not okay! I should have been more careful. It is required for you to declare your connections. I got a hint of it when I saw the comment of previous reviewer. However, discussion with you was very civil and you were not pushy like others are who engage with a COI and hence I didn't think much of it. Nonetheless, please declare this at your user page. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, and thanks for your assistance. I have added numerous references and wonder if my article would meet approval. If you have any quick insights to offer, I would be grateful.Thank you! (User: Srthompson721)

Draft: Marc N. Weiss

Hello Nomadicghumankkad,

Thank you for your suggestions about references in the draft. I have removed duplicate and redundant citations. Could you provide a bit more specific guidance on which areas need references?

Appreciate your help.

--AlexanderKopelman (talk) 23:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi AlexanderKopelman, thanks for reaching out. This still has WP:NPOV issues. Might want to fix that. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Peter Kurzhals

Thanks for your review. I want to salvage this page. Which sections I need to remove? Peter's Bio is available on the website of Virginia Tech.

I agree that there are some personal details of Peter which I took from his autobiography.

Thanks again for your help Rao

Hey, please check WP:VER to begin with. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:22, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Bernardo Javalquinto

Hello, thank you for accepting the page. I already delcare that I am connected to subject. But I still see the template which says 'appear to have a connection'. There is no appearence. Like I said, I am connecting with Mr Bernardo. You have already edited it and changed content after my submission. I read in 'how and when to remove this template' that this could be removed once the issue is addressed. I think you already cleared it by your own edits. Can you please remove it now? Chilepoint454 (talk) 10:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

I can do that but you have to promise to not add any promotional or unsourced information. I noticed you have put something in your last edits. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Re: Shiji Group

Hi Nomadic Nomadicghumakkad, sorry to be tardy again, please use the "busy" excuse for me. On the Draft: Shiji Group I found an in depth media coverage of the Chinese company's acquisition of Mycheck. There was already one from CTech [8], which is a prominent publication with news on China technology (about 600k readers a month). Anyhow, do you think this more in depth report by staff writers helps qualify Shiji?[9]

As always, thanks so much for your help! Philbutler (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Philbutler, okay; will check these and get back. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Philbutler, both are just retelling of what happened. I am not seeing any independent observations of the journalists. I don't think it cuts it. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Hey, thank you for your effort in assisting me throughout my Wikipedia journey. We should have a chat over tea some day. Just wondering, have you found any topics regarding music or Malaysia which I can work on? There's nothing much going on at the moment so I would like to appreciate this downtime to contribute to Wikipedia :) MarkieC07 (talk) 20:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey MarkieC07, I just returned from a break. Will soon suggest something. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thanks, anytime. Cheers, MarkieC07 (talk) 14:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey MarkieC07, the first idea that has come to my head is - see all notable reality music TV shows and check if the winners have a page or not. If no, you can go ahead and make them since they would be sure shot notable. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

That's true, Nomadicghumakkad. I will then proceed with them and inform you after the draft is ready. MarkieC07 (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Request on 17:20:40, 22 August 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Raghavbhargava90

• Raghavbhargava90 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Shankar Prasad Bhargava (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Nomadicgumakkad, Thank you for your feedback regarding an article that I wish to publish. I would appreciate if you can guide me as to what reliable sources you would like to verify the identity of SP Bhargava. As this is about a gentleman who lived till 1962, there is not much information available on the internet. The first reference from 1929 is readily available on the interne validates his existence as pricipal of SD College of Commerce in Cawnpore.He was the principal of the Raj Rishi College at Alwar, unfortunately their website does not contain much historical facts. I do have photographs and printed information from the College's prospective, that SP Bhargava was indeed there till 1946. Would that be a reliable source to publish this article, should I upload them as photographs or submit to you for verification? Thanks

Raghavbhargava90 (talk) 17:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Raghavbhargava90, we can't add any information on Wiki that can't be verified. Please see WP:VER. Besides, I don't think the subject is notable. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see how it passes WP:GNG. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft Jake Allyn

Hello! Nomadicghumakkad Thank you for reviewing my draft on Jake Allyn! I wanted to ask for any advice you have on showcasing that my article topic is notable. There are many articles referencing Jake and his work on notable publications like the New York Times, La Times, Hollywood Reporter etc. Thanks and please let me know! Emmachernandez (talk) 17:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Emmachernandez, So WP:NACTOR requires multiple significant roles. I agree that No Man's Land will count. Can you tell me which other notable work that he has worked in had him in a significant role? Sweet Girl (film) doesn't even mention him. So that can't be significant. Other than that, we need to fix WP:NPOV issues. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the help! Nomadicghumakkad He has also played a major role in BET series The Quad and played Donny in Run Sweetheart Run! Hopefully this qualifies as multiple significant roles! 98.152.219.90 (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi 98.152.219.90, can you provide wiki links to the works you are referring to? The Quad, how much screen time do you think Jake has per episode? Run Sweetheart Run, is it this one? Doesn't mention Jake. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Thangjam Dhabali Singh

Hi! My first draft was declined by you. I have edited the draft in the manner suggested. You said receiving Order of the Rising Sun holds merit for WP:NBIO. That is understandable but it seems the information has not been updated on the Wikipedia page for Order of the Rising Sun. However, a search on the web for the subject winning it can be verified easily. Would be happy if you can guide me with this. Regards SukumarThingom (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad: please do not add to the confusion between a decline and a reject as you did in your comment on Draft:Thangjam Dhabali Singh. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:37, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Noted, — jmcgnh

Thanks for pointing that out. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: BoydMefferd

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, thank you for your comment on my first draft. I edited Draft:Boyd Mefferd with additional information to address the question of Notability. Since I am new, I was not sure the proper place to answer you, so I am also leaving this note on your talk page.

To answer you directly, I believe Boyd Mefferd meets the standards of WP:NARTIST because he contributed to the early formation of the Art and Technology movement of the 1960s. He was shown in “Art & Technology” an important art show at the Los Angeles County Museum in 1971 that included Robert Rauschenberg and Claus Oldenburg. This show was reviewed by Time, Newsweek, and Artform. He was one of 8 artists at the World’s Fair in 1970. His work is currently in the permanent collection at Des Moines Art Center, the Walker Art Center, and the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art.

I appreciate your help getting started here. Thank you again.LeeMiro (talk) 21:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

This is a great news LeeMiro. Can you point me to articles (ideally multiple) that talk about his contribution to the art and technology movement then? I know 1960s didn't have internet; but any archived coverages will also help. Or any references in any books. We have to ensure that his contribution was significant to this new concept. I am not very much sold on being part of a show as such. Not sure where it links with notability. Notability of a show can't be directly inherited to the artist. Being part of permanent collections also sound good. Can you provide me sources for that? Are these museums notable themselves? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:43, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Nomadicghumakkad. These are very good questions that I hope to answer. In my revised Draft:Boyd Mefferd, I cite 5 reviews of art shows Mefferd was in. I also cite two books written about two of the art shows. I can list more art shows if that is helpful. Mefferd was shown a great deal. I also summarized discussion of his work by art critics within these reviews. I apologize for overemphasizing his contribution to the single art show. I misunderstood number 3 of WP:NARTIST. (Edited to add: It's actually number 4, part b that I thought applied, but no matter.)

I will look further afield for discussions of his art in a broader context of the "Art and Technology" movement, as you suggest. The “Art and Technology” movement sometimes dovetailed with Environmental Art and “psychic art,” making it tricky to pin down. It may take me a little while to find good sources.

I do have links to his work at those permanent collections, which I added to the draft. These are highly respected Midwestern art museums. I will try to substantiate this in some way. The NYT reported that Mefferd’s art was in the private collection of Joe Pulitzer Jr. I did not include that because I was not sure it’s notable.

Thank you again. I will read more and report back!LeeMiro (talk) 18:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough, subject seems to be notable LeeMiro. I am swayed more by his work being part of Walker Art Center. I think a better structure with headers will really help this article. Also, you can add some reception of his work. For example, which publication or critic said what about him. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

This is good news, thank you, Nomadicghumakkad. I have been researching more on Mefferd and have located discussions of Mefferd's art in contemporary books written in the last 15 years, which I think speaks to a lasting impact. I wholeheartedly agree about the need for headers and better structure. I confess I didn't add them because I have yet to learn how! This weekend I will have time to research how to do this. I will also add discussions of his art, including your suggestion to include a reference to what critics at the time said. Thank you again for your feedback and guidance. I think it's already a much better article than when I began and I have you to thank. LeeMiro (talk) 02:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

No problem, LeeMiro. Let me know whenever you think it is ready and I will have a look. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:35, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, thank you for your recent edits, Nomadicghumakkad. I created headers, as you advised, and it’s much easier to read. I added a section on Critical Recognition, which includes quotes from arts reviews by national publications like Time magazine and references to Mefferd’s work in three books. Two of the books are contemporary titles, which I think speaks to his lasting influence. I added Mefferd’s solo shows, a film documentary on Expo ’70 that includes him, and a radio interview with him. The only source I want that I haven’t located yet are high-quality art reviews from Expo ’70.

I’ll be touching base with this draft later in the week. Thank you for shepherding my early attempts. The article is much more comprehensive and organized than when I began. Let me know if you think I’m close.LeeMiro (talk) 05:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

I just received word that Boyd Mefferd is approved as a Start Class and I cannot thank you enough, Nomadicghumakkad! It has been over a decade since I have contributed to Wikipedia, and you have given me such a warm welcome with excellent advice. I am very appreciative. LeeMiro (talk) 20:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@ LeeMiro, that's a brilliant news! Usually I could have helped more than this, but I have been occupied a bit. But irrespective, this is a great news. I hope you will stay with the Wikipedia project and contribute more. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

DRAFT: Hem Raj BC rejected article

Souliam (talk) 31 August 2021

Regarding this draft: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Hem_Raj_BC

Hi admin Nomadicghumakkad, I have edited the draft again. It was rejected on the basis of having unreliable sources/citation, however, in this submission, I have added sources such as himalayan times/ kathmandu post newspaper articles and cited themproperly. Could you look into it again and send me some feedback? Thank you :)

Hey, firstly, not an admin. Just an AFC reviewer. I have marked few places where it is unsourced. Start with filling that out. Did you read WP:COI? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Sense Offence

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. In response to your comment on the draft of the article I wrote, no problem, happy to explain how the page I wrote meets notability requirements.

"People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]"

I have provided multiple secondary sources that meet all of these criteria. For example, there is a TV episode featuring the person the page is about, a radio show, several registered nonprofit organisations who have written about this person, a magazine article and multiple large and credible music blogs who have written about this person. I would argue this meets the criteria of receiving significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject.

Let's discuss at one place only please! Requesting you for WP:THREE. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

discussion about my rejected article

Jaintnp (talk) 03:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Hello admin.One article is rejected by you, which is created by me. I want to avoid these mistake, can you help me.

Hi Jaintnp, which draft is that? Can you tell me here? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC) Jaintnp (talk) 10:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Draft article Sushma Adhikari

Jaintnp (talk) 06:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)Nomadicghumakkad I wrote something in your talk page in news section. please response

Navidul Huq - The article was not accepted

Hello, how are you doing? The Article Navidul Huq has been reviewed by you and has not been accepted.

I've been wondering what went wrong and would love to get your feedback on this. What changes can I make and what exact things can I improve to fix the issues on this wiki page.

Please share your thoughts and guide me on the right path. I am looking forward to hearing from you soon. Thank you.

Hello, please read WP:VER to begin with. How are you connected with the subject? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the Jep Robertson page

Can you explain why the sources for the Jep Robertson page are unreliable in comparison to his brother Jase Robertson's page? I'm trying to get this page created because it makes no sense that the other cast members of equal status have pages and he doesn't. --NJ9hnston (talk) 22:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi NJ9hnston, the comment was in context of WP:VER and not WP:RS. I know the automated comment has confusing wording. Sorry for that. Not saying that what you have cited is WP:RS, but you need to begin at WP:VER. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Shiji Group

Hi Nomadic Nomadicghumakkad. Sorry to be taking so long. Crazy here on Crete with COVID resurgence. In one of the references I suggested earlier, the author goes in dept into MyCheck, why Shiji bought it, what it's for, and so on. Doesn't a subsidiary stand as credibility for the main entity? Let's face it, if I search Wikipedia up and down, finding every entry with a book written about every facet of the core company or person, just is not going to happen. Sorry, I don't want to sound harsh, but this is a multibillion dollar company with over 5,000 employees and offices on most continents. The reason I even started this page was because it just seemed crazy for such companies not to be in the world's biggest library. The second article, I get it, the writer is just rephrasing what happened with MyCheck and the bonuses. Help me figure this out my friend, I just turned 66 and want to edit all the Minoan civilization stuff they are finding here on Crete before I am 80 :) Philbutler (talk) 18:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, even I am frustrated that I have not been able to very helpful on this. I would recommend AFC Helpdesk for more opinions [10]. I think you will find more informed opinions here. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: AJDaGuru (Article Review for GNG)

Hello,

I read your comment regarding GNG. I'm new to Wikipedia hence I'm still learning. I would like to thank you for the review. I feel the sources are partially notable however, I am also learning to work on increasing the notability of the article by backing with strong references. Will you guide further on how can I improve this article? Thankyou

Hey, why do you think the sources are partially notable? I would encourage you to read WP:RS. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Comment on the draft article Lagna Patrike (TV series)

Hello, I appreciate your efforts for reviewing the article and clearly stating the comment in the article. I think reference 5 mentioned in the draft (news article) discusses about failure of the show, plot of the show and reference 7 mentioned in the article draft provides sufficient information to the reader about the failure of the show and audience reaction to the show. I think these two articles justify in depth coverage regarding various aspects of the show. I kindly request you to go through the article so that wiki users may be benefited from this article.--Ensconce (talk) 19:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Ensconce, I think both news sources are about the show closing. I would have preferred to see some reviews of the show. But that's just my opinion. Others may feel differently. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:21, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page on Saitama? https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Saitama_(cryptocurrency)

I literally copied https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Shiba_Inu_(cryptocurrency) as a template to follow the rules and explain the crypto. Why is Shiba not deleted?

Reinstate my page now. There was no remote advertising on it during the final draft.

Feedback on Draft:Mandar Agashe

Hey Nomad! hope you've been well. like I mentioned last week, i had heard this draft's subject on this podcast and so went back to my library and took the last few days to rewrite a draft on him which my friends had initially abandoned. before i submit it for review, I would love your feedback of it, if you can spare the time. If you find that there is no hope for the topic, i am happy to db it. let me know. thanks! AngryMushroom (talk) 20:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey AngryMushroom, I am not denying this doesn't have potential. I don't read Marathi so I have no means to check the verifiability of a lot of stuff written. What I can tell you is following:

1. Avoid writing about initiatives (Companies, music etc) that didn't receive significant coverage of their own. For example In 2000, Agashe ventured into financial technology, founding EBZ Online and Codito Technologies. Both companies developed payment solution software for banks
2. The whole business and music careers are mixing. Might be good to separate them out.
3. If any of his work is notable, for example, Brihans Natural Products, simply say he founded and move on. No need to provide more info on his page since the company page will automatically have all of that and more. Also, stop giving him credit for something that the company staff would have done and he alone couldn't have. For example, In August 1999, he conducted test marketing of the company's products in Andhra Pradesh. He can't do it all of it alone. Such language specifically sounds promotional
4. Make it shorter, keep it crisp.

Hope this helps. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

OMG @Nomadicghumakkad! thanks so much for the feedback! i saw your changes on the draft already! thanks so much! i've done the changes you suggested. so in regards to your tag on the draft edit - musician and music director are two different jobs as far as i know, so i've put his descriptors backs in a single group.

1. Removed!

2. I had read about him in a linear year by year order and so wrote the article that way, but i agree with you and so have gone ahead and made appropriate sections.

3. Thanks for pointing that out! that was me stupidly paraphrasing the sources too closely.

4. I've removed some more of the trivial statements that should correctly belong on the draft on his company. if more is required, i'll have to see what statements to remove cause now they are tightly referenced by sources that are detailed.

I am working on resubmitting the article on his company and his sister (if you remember from last month) by tonight/tomorrow at least, cause i need to return the books on the agashes to the library latest by tomo evening, else i get overdue fees. do take a look at them, if you can, cause i don't want to develop them if they don't have potential. Also, tomorrow I'll be getting the books on the paranjapes, so i'll be able to expand Draft:Paranjape Schemes with some very good sources. (i've put some print paper sources on for now, do take a look if you can).

May i also bother you with another request? can you give me feedback on Draft:Dajikaka Gadgil please? HighKing said it was good to go so i've submitted it for review, but someone else having a look would be helpful. thanks so much! AngryMushroom (talk) 17:59, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Nomadicghumakkad, i've gone ahead and created Draft:Sarvatra Technologies following the pointers left by HighKing for NCORP best I could. please let me know if you get the time to check it out. i've wisely left it at a stub. thanks! AngryMushroom (talk) 21:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Nomadicghumakkad. Ditto request to check Draft:Sheetal Agashe. hope its not a bother! thanks so much AngryMushroom (talk) 10:16, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi AngryMushroom, I can't comment wherever Marathi sources are being used and large chunks are taken from there. On Draft:Sarvatra Technologies, doesn't look notable to me. Finance or funding related news doesn't contribute to notability. Why did you choose to write about this company? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:28, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomad, thanks for the feedback. Sorry I submitted the draft for review without your permission, i was confident as per HighKing’s advice that I had done a good job.

I chose to write about this company because we had studied it in our finance and banking classes. it’s impact on the banking sector has been quite notable in the last 10 years, and we have studied case studies on it. The CSFI report I cited carried all that info, which I thought was a reliable source that goes quite in depth on the company, it’s products and their impact on the banking sector and their market share in upi but it was too technical in ther terms used for me to utilize properly and so I took whatever I understood. plus there was recognition from reputed associations. if you google the company, there is significant coverage on the company, but i didnt put it because it wasn’t verifying any data on the article.

Please go ahead and remove all problematic data you find on the article, I’m on the move today and won’t get back to a desktop until the evening. If really nothing can be done, i’ll db it.

If the draft on the founder seems to be ok, ill clean it up and submit it for review in the evening. I’ve returned the books on the family so i ll need to get them back if there are significant improvements that you suggest. Sorry, im on a self imposed deadline of the end of Sept because I REALLY need to get back to my studies and didnt expect Wikipedia to take up so much time. ill db the other drafts if there is no hope for them and move on to my real life studies. thanks for understanding! AngryMushroom (talk) 05:39, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Nomadicghumakkad, i saw that you accepted the BharatPe article, so i went ahead and worked on the sarvatra draft following a similar style, do a take a look and let me know if there are any other changes or if it's ready for submission. should i go ahead and submit the article on the founder? what about the sister? if they don't have potential as they are, i'm happy to submit the most bare minimum stubs to establish notability (same goes for the paranjape and gadgil articles and the chitale and dandekar articles i'm yet to work on). And if even that is not welcome by Wikipedia/AfC policies, i'm happy to retire my account. Awaiting your feedback. thanks! AngryMushroom (talk) 16:03, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey AngryMushroom, it's not about the style but the sources. And from what it seems like, even the BhratPe accept was not the best decision since it was tagged for notability. I still feel that Draft:Sarvatra Technologies doesn't make through the relatively higher standards of notability that we have for the companies. But if any other reviewer feels differently, they may very well accept it. If I would disagree with them, I may nominate it for AFD or try to understand their perspective. Coming to other drafts, I think you should find folks who can read Marathi. I don't think any reviewer who doesn't know the language won't take an initiative since they won't have right capabilities to evaluate. Also, like I had recommended before, best place to get feedback is AFC Helpdesk. A single reviewer might not be able to give enormous amount of time to one user. For example, whatever limited time I have, I try to divide (almost equally) between all people who ask for help so that it isn't unfair along with AFC reviewing. I have been meaning to create some new pages as well but lacking time. WP:TEA & AFC Helpdesk will get you timely help. I went there myself and I thought I would start contributing there but almost all questions were answered! So it seems like a great space to get prompt response. Hope this is helpful Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Nomadicghumakkad, thanks so very much. I'll go ahead and ask on the AFC helpdesk. sorry if i came off really frustrated, i admire wikipedia for its policies, but they are sometimes too subjective and broad in interpretation for newbies like me to grasp properly. i'll quit bothering you and go straight to the tea house. thanks and have a good day! AngryMushroom (talk) 04:57, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey AngryMushroom, looks like Tea house interaction is helping. Very happy to see this. I hope you won't retire any more and continue contributing. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:08, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Nomadicghumakkad! Yes, it has. Thank you so much for the suggestions and thanks so much for putting up with me. I'll go to the Teahouse whenever I need my doubts answered. You may close this thread. Have a good day. AngryMushroom (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Sarah Burgoyne

Hello Nomadicghumakkad! Thank you for your comments. I removed the external links. Here are some critical reviews of Burgoyne's work, as requested:

• https://contemporaryverse2.ca/reviews/saint-twin/
• http://doctorak-go.blogspot.com/2017/03/sarah-burgoyne-saint-twin.html
• https://www.pegasusliterary.com/bookreviewdetails.php?bid=439&bname=Because%20the%20Sun%20by%20Sarah%20Burgoyne
• https://crowgirl11.wordpress.com/2016/06/23/omnibus-marrow-review-on-four-stuart-ross-book-releases/
• https://medium.com/drunken-boat/spotlight-11-sarah-burgoyne-46b39c4e6a35#.o51cq6hhy
• http://robmclennan.blogspot.ca/2016/05/sarah-burgoyne-saint-twin.html
• http://www.subterraneanbluepoetry.com/SubterraneanBluePoetry.IV.VII.html
• http://resonancecafe.com/echo/?p=712
• http://robmclennan.blogspot.ca/2014/12/ongoing-notes-meet-presses-2014-indie.html
• http://www.robmclennan.blogspot.ca/2014/11/ongoing-notes-ottawa-small-press-book.html
• http://roverarts.com/2013/03/the-resonance-of-the-void/

Hey None of them qualify WP:RS I feel. I highly recommend reading WP:GNG carefully. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:13, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Declined submission - Draft:Primeros

Hi Nomadicghumakkad,

thank you for your feedback on my page for the company Primeros.

Most of the information included was obtained from physical archives which do not have an online database. I researched the subject on my own as a part of my thesis. Should I just fix the way it is referenced? I tried to match the quality with the already approved article Hamleys.

Secondly, it would help me if you could point out sections that do not meet the encyclopedic style (neutral point of view) and include the peacock terms. It is my first article and I understand that it might need some improvements.

I am not connected to the company by any means, I am just fascinated by the history and legacy it has in the Czech Republic.

Thank you for your time and have a great day

Tproch18 (talk) 07:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Tproch18, offline sources can also be cited. That's not a problem. You can find more information here maybe [11]. Example of not following WP:NPOV: The story of Primeros is a true chronicle of human ingenuity and inventiveness, but also of the dark moments of 20th century history.. Golden rule is - state facts, cite sources and move on. Nothing more and nothing less. Hope this is helpful. It seems like an interesting topic. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:13, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Chirag Sethi (Actor)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, I hope you are doing well. Firstly, thanks for reviewing the Draft:Chirag Sethi (Actor). In response to your comment on it, I would love to share that I am new to the Wikipedia but have gone through all the important points for at least a month that one need to understand before creating an article. I believe the person meet the notability guidelines and as per WP:THREE, pls find below the strong and reliable references of independent Indian publications.

1- https://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/-holiday-is-worth-spending-money-on-says-actor-chirag-sethi_7019.html

2- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/chirag-sethi-of-million-dollar-arm-fame-waiting-for-holiday-to-release/articleshow/35051468.cms?from=mdr

3- https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/cricket-training-helped-chirag-sethi-in-million-dollar-arm-role/

4- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/entertainment/hindi/actor-chirag-sethi-shares-fondest-memory-of-ganpati-festival/videoshow/65858001.cms

5- https://www.tellychakkar.com/tv/tv-news/holiday-fame-chirag-sethi-sony-tv-s-zindagi-ke-crossroads-180801

Above sources shows Chirag Sethi as a main topic not the passing mentions. I would request you to please re-check and guide, so that I can continue happy editing. Thanks a ton. Mecrosspro (talk) 07:36, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mecrosspro , none of these sources are independent. Please see WP:IS. I think the topic is not notable for now and might become notable in future. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: André Kërr rejected article

--ThelemaSanskrit93 (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2021 (UTC) Hello, Nomadicghumakkad, thank you so much for having revised the article draft. I didn't know exactly why it was rejected, because there is several independent sources validating the data, where the refered professional is interpreted by big media websites in Brazil as an authority that propagate and make a revelevant apologetics of the indian culture in Brazil. Could you help me make this article fits more into Wikipedia standard? I already read the notability guidelines but I can't see what is wrong with the article. Thank you for your time and readiness, sir.

Hey, please read WP:VER. Everything should be cited. Once that's done, let's discuss more. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:28, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Sushma Adhikari Draft article submission reject

Jaintnp (talk) 06:46, 1 September 2021 (UTC) Hello admin An article I wrote has been rejected by You. I am saying something about the article I wrote after a few days of study. All the references I have used in Sushma Adhikari's article are reliable, as they are all registered with the Information Department of the Government of Nepal. The media is the fourth organ of the state, it is legally wrong to broadcast false news from such a sensitive place. In Sushma Adhikari's article, the big media of Nepal, which is known in the international community, has made news, the source of which I have already included in the article. This can be published on the basis of the same thing, because everything may not be covered by the media or I may not have found, it can be upgraded from time to time. It is also a heinous crime for the state to confuse everyone by broadcasting false news. Finally, I would like to request that the source which are to be used by me prove that wrong, including one reason. If proven wrong, I will seek legal action with the Government of Nepal, otherwise it will be treated unfairly with me. Thank you

Hey, you have copy-pasted same message to me that you wrote on that page. What false news are you talking about? What legal action? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Jaintnp (talk) 05:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC)My first article was not published due to reliable of source. I would like to know the reason why those sources are not reliable.

Hi, I would suggest you ask at WP:TEA for a broader opinion. I would also encourage to read WP:RS. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:19, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

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Nomadicghumakkad Media is the fourth organ of the state. It is unfortunate for question of distrust arises in the media today without any reason. In my personal opinion, it would not be appropriate to question credibility based on the year of work done. If the media broadcasts something wrong in any place, they should demand legal action. I don't think media out broadcast news out of policy.Jaintnp (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Jaintnp, media isn't what it used to be. Not everything written in media can be trusted and hence there is WP:RS. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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Nomadicghumakkad Thank you for responce. I will follow your suggestion. If there is any disagreement with your opinion, I will ask again. Thank youJaintnp (talk) 14:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

False decline

You did not appear to examine any of the cited sources when you declined Draft:Yash Thakur (Fitness Coach). Many of them offer significant coverage and are independent of the subject. I suggest you revise your decline with a different reason, because the sources look fine. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Anachronist, thanks for reaching out and discussing this. Most of them are very obviously paid and others are written in away that it indicated they are influenced. For example, Mid-day says brandmedia, Business Standard says BS Marketing initiative, Telegraph says ABP Digital Brand Studio, DNA says 'It is a featured article' at the end, The Week says focus. The Hindi ones, I might be okay with News 18 (it still doesn't have a staff byline!). Jagran is his opinion on stuff so that's out. Patrika can't be considered WP:RS considering that they publish basically anything. I assure you I did my due diligence before declining this. Happy to answer more questions or discuss this further. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 22:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

That's fine. I wish you had added a comment to that effect when you declined the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Will keep that in mind from now on and try to drop better comments and feedbacks. Nonetheless, I appreciate you reached out. Thank you! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

The draft was re-submitted without any improvement, and I have re-declined it, quoting your reasoning above. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:08, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Paul Buccieri ‎Draft

Hey Nomadicghumakkad thanks for looking over the article I submitted. I'm a little confused as to how it doesn't meet the notability standards given that I found like a dozen sources and he was redlinked on the company's page. What other sources would be needed for this article to be accepted? Sabillbr (talk) 12:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Sabillbr, this reads like a CV honestly. There isn't much about him that's beyond his company or professional positions he held. In such cases, it is best for page to be redirected to the company page. But that's just my opinion. Feel free to ping WP:TEA and solicit more opinions. People may see it differently. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 22:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your valuable comments [Zakkariya K.A.)]

Dear Nomadicghumakkad, This is in connection with Draft: Zakkariya K.A.

Following your recommendation, I have removed all the external links. As you inquired, here is the google scholar link: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=BZqb5YgAAAAJ&hl=en

My connection to the subject: Prof. Zakkariya had taught me during my masters and I'm a doctoral scholar in the Organisational Behavior. Moreover, he is having some relevant papers in spiritual leadership from Indian context, which is my research focus.

Request you to accept the draft kindly.

I'm new to Wikipedia editing. KIndly excuse for the mistakes :) - Sajidnasar4

Hello, happy to help. Does he have a google scholar profile? For people like him, our criteria is WP:Academic which requires heavily cited research work as one of the criterias. You can read it at ease and think if any of these criterias are matching and how they are matching and come back. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:17, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Greetings for the day.. Regarding the criteria:

1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline.

Justification: Dr. Zakkariya is one among the premier researchers in "spiritual leadership" and a widely accepted researcher in organisational behavior from India and has substantial empirical papers published in ABDC listed journals. (Google Scholar)

2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.'

Justification: Dr. Zakkariya has received the Business Perspectives Research Award constituted by Indian Academy of Management and IIM Trichy in 2020.

3. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association

Justification: Prof. Zakkariya is the elected chairman of ISTD Kochi chapter (Indian Soceity for Training and Deveolepment), which is the only accredited association for Organisational Behavior related scholars, trainers and practitioners.

6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.'

Justification: Dr. Zakkariya is heading DDU KAUSHAL Kendra CUSAT since 2012, which is the first vocational education department in the country. Moreover, he is the founder of the department. Also he had been nominated to the syndicate of Cochin University 3 times by the Govt. of Kerala.

Hope these could help. :)

Hey, The Google Scholar profile is a bit helpful. For Highest academic award or member of society or for having administrative posts for university - the award, university and society should ideally be notable (means they have their wiki pages) which doesn't seem to be the case. I think we can open a discussion at project for academics and discuss this. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Good morning.. For your kind information, I'm sharing the wikipedia page of CUSAT (University). Does it help?

Hey, it would have helped if he was the Vice Chancelor or the highest administrative academic position which doesn't seem to be the case. I suggest you ask at WP:TEA or AFC help desk. You will get a better idea from there. A lot of people I redirect there get fare better help than I can provide here with my limited experience. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Chennai Interventional Pulmonology and Critical Care Associates

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. It had been sometime you reviewed this article and gave me suggestions to improve it getting it in neutral tone and adding more reliable, secondary and independent information. Last few days I had worked on it in the content and references from other sources. In the meantime I also worked on other articles which got approved. Request you to kindly review it and get it to the main space considering the efforts given on it. Would be thankful and grateful always for your efforts. The link for the article is https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Chennai_Interventional_Pulmonology_and_Critical_Care_Associates. Gardenkur (talk) 15:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Gardenkur, I had rejected because I didn't think it was notable. If you want to counter that, please help with WP:THREE. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 00:57, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. Heartily appreciate your reply. Though I see much important references for this article, I chose these to cover different categories. 1. https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/standardised-affordable-drop-in-icu-facilities-for-india-s-small-towns-121020201023_1.html?fbclid=IwAR23GiR6zijZyWCrHFQu0l4qYlQT-XFtnxdUZEDN77_F84Cx-Ws1MUnJ_CU 2. https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/heartfulness-institute-shri-ram-chandra-mission-and-cipaca-set-up-50-bed-covid-care-centre/article34657293.ece 3. https://www.businesswireindia.com/worldwide-achievers-felicitated-the-winners-of-indo-arab-leaders-summit-and-awards-2019-65982.html. Kindly share your opinion too to consider its Notability and Reliability. Thank you. Gardenkur (talk) 02:49, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gardenkur, I don't think they talk about the subject in depth. Businesswire is not independent. I suggest you carefully read WP:NCORP. It will help. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:24, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. Heartily thanks for your opinion and suggestions. As a last attempt share this link https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/rural-healthcare-icu-firm-cipaca-expands-its-presence-to-other-regions/article36138605.ece. Business Line is an associate entity of one of the reputed media entity "The Hindu". Having worked last few months thought to share this about the organisation and its vision. However, if you feel it does not qualify as per Wikipedia standards, will not pursue further. Thanking you as ever. Gardenkur (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Gardenkur , this is definitely better. Any more like this? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. Thanks. This one relating to opening of Covid centre https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2021/may/28/udhayanidhi-inaugurates-50-bed-covid-care-facility-2308530.html. This is additional https:/ /health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/hospitals/cipaca-eyes-to-manage-1000-icu-beds-in-2-years-in-southern-states-top-official/83278141. Thanks.Gardenkur (talk) 02:14, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing Gardenkur. This is a bit more complex than it what seems to be since companies require WP:CORPDEPTH. I suggest you take this to WP:TEA or AFC Help desk [12]. You will get a more detailed and broad feedback than I can give. Feel free to tell them about this discussion and link this thread. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. My sincere thanks for your time and efforts in reviewing the article till now. A few more credible references found recently to get to your notice.

• https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/new-age-healthcare-firms-give-small-hospitals-a-smart-solution/article34013964.ece
• https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/westminster-healthcare-join-hands-with-cipaca-for-covid-icu-operations/article34396063.ece
• https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Coimbatore/cipaca-and-hindustan-hospital-tie-up-for-icu-care/article35688970.ece

If you still want me after this to reach out to AFC helpdesk, I will discuss there. But I rely on your expertise and knowledge. Apologies for inconvenience. Gardenkur (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Gardenkur , there is no inconvenience. I just feel you will find better help there since the topic in question is slightly complex. Quick feedback is that single publication (or allied) shouldn't be constantly used for WP:THREE. So try to give them three different publications. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 22:19, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. Sincerely thank your time and efforts till now and hope to get further guidance from you in future too. Will try to reach out other reputed and experienced authors too. Till I reach you next hope you will have a great time. Gardenkur (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:R. Duane Ireland

Hello from Kentucky (USA). Thanks for your comment that this notable prof as per WP: Academic needs to be sourced properly. I redid the citations yesterday Draft:R. Duane Ireland. I am new at this and would appreciate your review and advice as I want to pursue this. Thank you very much! Diane C. McDonald Dmcd2me 15:20, 4 September 2021 (UTC)Dmcd2me

Hi Dmcd2me, please read WP:VER. It means all information must be cited. The major part of publication section, for example, is unsourced. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:01, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, thank you. I have added 13 citations and removed the information that has not been cited. Diane C. McDonald Dmcd2me 21:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)Dmcd2me

Hello [User:Nomadicghumakkad|Nomadicghumakkad]] all information is cited. Would appreciate your review and approval.

Hey Dmcd2me, this looks good. How do you know the subject? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nomadicghumakkad thanks the subject replaced my former boss as dean of Mays Business School. Diane C. McDonald Dmcd2me 19:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC) Dmcd2me

Hey Dmcd2me, that sort of puts you at WP:COI. Please read it carefully and disclose your connection. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 21:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Anthony_Soohoo

Hello. I have added the reference for notability. I believe the subject is much notable as it has couple of independent and reliable references. Kindly re-review it.Tony1985sept (talk) 21:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Tony1985sept, this is really a CV. Having multiple top corporate positions at notable companies doesn't grant notability. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Zupee has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Zupee. Thanks! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 20:12, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Here are the top 3 sources:

1. The Economic Times - ET Bureau Feature -
2. Business World - StartUp & Founder Profiling -
3. Times Now - Coverage of Industry List of StartUps expected to become Unicorns in the next 2 to 4 years - Zupee founders were the youngest on the list -

These are all independently curated stories by the news organizations. I hope this suffices.

Hey, ET is non-independent. Businessworld is not reliable. And Times now is not in-depth. I suggest you read WP:NCORP carefully. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021

New Page Review queue September 2021

Hello Nomadicghumakkad,

Please join this discussion - there is increase in the abuse of Wikipedia and its processes by POV pushers, Paid Editors, and by holders of various user rights including Autopatrolled. Even our review systems themselves at AfC and NPR have been infiltrated. The good news is that detection is improving, but the downside is that it creates the need for a huge clean up - which of course adds to backlogs.

Copyright violations are also a serious issue. Most non-regular contributors do not understand why, and most of our Reviewers are not experts on copyright law - and can't be expected to be, but there is excellent, easy-to-follow advice on COPYVIO detection here.

At the time of the last newsletter (#25, December 2020) the backlog was only just over 2,000 articles. New Page Review is an official system. It's the only firewall against the inclusion of new, improper pages.

There are currently 706 New Page Reviewers plus a further 1,080 admins, but as much as nearly 90% of the patrolling is still being done by around only the 20 or so most regular patrollers.

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Draft:Frans Vera

Hi Nomadicghumakkad. You rejected my AfC on Frans Vera because it was “not adequately supported by reliable sources”, with the comment “Please cite all information. Topic seems notable otherwise.” The published Wikipedia NL article is much less well supported, and I had expanded that article enormously with extensive added sources. These are published papers from academics at reputable universities, or from reliable scientific journals, or from mainstream newspapers. When you say “cite all information”, could you be more specific about which information is now not sufficiently supported? Wikipedia EN is full of accepted articles which request further verification. If you agree notability, couldn’t you re-review and accept this draft with the same proviso? Thanks for your help.Masato.harada (talk) 10:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Masato.harada, the comment is with respect to WP:VER - which means all information should be sourced. Please do that and we should be good to go after that. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 12:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, but I thought I had included sources for all information. If you can give me some specific omissions to address, I'll fix those and get this accepted. Masato.harada (talk) 16:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Masato.harada, for example, see the following:

In 1979 Vera worked on "agricultural cultural landscapes of value" at the Inspectie Natuurbehoud (Nature Conservation Inspectorate) of the Staatsbosbeheer, the Dutch state organisation for forestry and management of nature reserves, where he was director for nature development. Later he worked on "nature development, large units of nature reserves and large waters" at the Ministerie van Landbouw, Natuurbeheer en Visserij, the then Ministry of Agriculture, Nature Management and Fisheries.

Vera has also worked at Landbouwuniversiteit Wageningen (now Wageningen University & Research (WUR), and the Natural Processes Foundation, University of Groningen.

He is a guest staff member at the University of Groningen's Centre for Ecological and Evolutionary Studies.

Completely unsourced! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:48, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Arunabha Ghosh

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, you left a comment on my draft on Arunabha Ghosh asking how it meets notability requirements, specifically notability of people. Arunabha Ghosh is a very notable public policy expert in India. He is the founder of the Council On Energy, Environment and Water, which is one of Asia's leading policy research institutions as per a CEEW press release based on University of Pennsylvania's Global Go-To Think Tank Index.

Ghosh helped create the International Solar Alliance, a 121-member intergovernmental organisation launched in 2015. He is a member of the United Nations’ Committee for Development Policy, and a founding board member and Vice-President of the Indian industry body CLEAN (Clean Energy Access Network). In June 2021, he was appointed to the Board of Directors of ClimateWorks, a US-based climate philanthropy non-profit.

Ghosh writes monthly columns in two Indian English dailies: Inflexion Points in the Financial Express and Over The Horizon in the Hindustan Times. A Nature essay that he co-authored in 2015, titled, “Rethink India’s Energy Strategy,” was chosen as one of the year’s 10 most influential essays. His authored articles have been published in the Business Standard, The Indian Express, the Nikkei Asian Review, The Hindu[38], and The Times of India, among others. Ghosh’s expert views have been cited by the New York Times, the Financial Times, Le Monde, and the BBC, among other respected publications.

Besides hosting a documentary on water in Africa featuring Jay-Z, Ghosh appeared in the Emmy Award-winning series Years of Living Dangerously with David Letterman in an October 2016 episode on renewable energy resources. A 2019 TED talk in which Ghosh describes his vision for 80 Indian cities to reduce air pollution by 80% in the country’s 80th year of independence (2027) – an initiative called Mission 80-80-80 – has been viewed more than 240,000 times.

Considering the above, I hope that you find Ghosh to be noteworthy enough to have a Wikipedia page.

Hey, this is definitely a lot to process. So to make it simple, I would simply ask you WP:THREE. Can you help me with top three and we will take it from there? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Baltimore Fishbowl

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad! Hopefully I am using the talk page correctly. First of all, thank you for reviewing the Baltimore Fishbowl draft. You asked for me to see and explain how it meets media notability guidelines. The link that you provided to Wikipedia:Notability (media) mentions that the notability of websites is determined by referring to the guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (web). Baltimore Fishbowl is a news website, therefore I will reference the notability criteria outlined in Wikipedia:Notability (web). Criterion 1: “The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself.” The draft page for Baltimore Fishbowl includes references to multiple non-trivial published works that are independent of Baltimore Fishbowl. Those include a link to an article on the Bmore Media website (which has been previously approved as a reliable source for other Wikipedia pages such as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Veep, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Stratford_University, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Maryland_University_of_Integrative_Health, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Types_of_concrete); Baltimore Business Journal (whose parent company American City Business Journals has its own Wikipedia page and Baltimore Business Journal is itself a Wikipedia-approved reliable source as it is referenced on pages such as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Baltimore, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/McCormick_%26_Company, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Kevin_Plank); Maryland Matters (which is a Wikipedia-approved reliable source as it is referenced on pages such as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/2022_Maryland_gubernatorial_election, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Maryland); Baltimore Magazine (which has its own Wikipedia page and is itself a Wikipedia-approved reliable source as it is referenced on pages such as https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Culture_of_Baltimore, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/History_of_Baltimore, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Really_Love_(film), https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Brandon_Scott). Baltimore Fishbowl’s article about Black Baltimoreans being disproportionately arrested for cannabis after the drug was decriminalized garnered national attention from several notable publications (Baltimore Magazine, Associated Press, WYPR, The Root, Bloomberg’s CityLab, The Baltimore Sun). Of particular note, the article was discussed in depth on WYPR’s On The Record radio show with Brandon Soderberg, one of the authors of the article. Baltimore Fishbowl is also listed on the Maryland state government’s website on a page for the state’s media publications. Criterion 2: “The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization.” Baltimore Fishbowl has been repeatedly recognized by Baltimore Magazine, including in 2012 when the magazine awarded Baltimore Fishbowl “Best New Website.” Baltimore Fishbowl also won several awards from the Maryland Delaware DC (MDDC) Press Association for 2019 and 2020. All the aforementioned sources are “reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.”BaltimoreReporter (talk) 23:48, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey BaltimoreReporter , you have mostly cited wikipedia articles. Wiki itself is not a source. You will need to present news links where the subject is being discussed. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad. I apologize for the confusion. Here are links to news articles/radio programs discussing Baltimore Fishbowl: http://www.bmoremedia.com/features/baltfishbowl012412.aspx, https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2019/02/14/ken-ulman-former-sun-editor-partner-with-baltimore.html, https://www.marylandmatters.org/blog/bold-faced-names-add-money-and-heft-to-baltimore-fishbowl/, https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/bestof/2013-best-of-baltimore-arts/, https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/artsentertainment/best-of-baltimore-2019-winners-restaurants-bars-museums-salons-music-artists/, https://www.wypr.org/show/on-the-record/2019-01-10/data-shows-disproportionate-drug-arrests. These links were included in the "references" section of the draft in question. The links that I included in my previous explanation were simply to demonstrate that the sources of those references were themselves reliable sources (as Wikipedia has previously determined them to be reliable enough to support other approved Wikipedia pages that cited them). In the past, Wikipedia has deemed Bmore Media, Baltimore Magazine, Baltimore Business Journal, Maryland Matters, and WYPR all reliable sources to cite for other pages. Hopefully that clears things up. Thank you again for your attention to this draft!BaltimoreReporter (talk) 01:55, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey BaltimoreReporter , [13], [14] doesn't even mention Fishbowl. Did you understand WP:NMEDIA correctly? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad. Thank you for your feedback. You are correct that the first reference to Baltimore Magazine does not specifically mention Baltimore Fishbowl (just Baltimore Fishbowl's columnist Marion Winik), so that can be removed if needed. However, the other Baltimore Magazine references (from 2012 and 2019) do specifically recognize Baltimore Fishbowl as “Best New Website” and “Equal Justice Audit,” respectively, so those should remain. The second reference that you highlighted (to WYPR’s On the Record program) does not mention Baltimore Fishbowl in the brief text summary, but the radio program goes in depth into the Baltimore Fishbowl’s reporting process for the cannabis article that garnered national attention. Specific mentions of Baltimore Fishbowl can be found within the 26-minute audio at 1:22, 1:37, 1:52, 2:12 and 12:23. And throughout the program, Brandon Soderberg (one of the authors of the cannabis article) discussed Baltimore Fishbowl’s process of filing Public Information Act requests with the Baltimore City police department, using census data, mapping and analyzing data related to cannabis arrests, and what the Baltimore Fishbowl found in its reporting. I believe audio/radio programs are included as suitable references within the media notability guidelines, therefore the reference to WYPR’s radio discussion of Baltimore Fishbowl should remain as well.BaltimoreReporter (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey BaltimoreReporter, I have tried to process it but I am not able to. I would suggest you get more help at WP:TEA. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Felix Bast

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, this is in response to your comment at Draft:Felix Bast page. I have read WP:Academic. Dr. Bast has made significant contributions to the field of Taxonomy, with two of his discoveries featured in BBC, a reliable source. The article has extensive references to original sources too, all are reliable. Let me know how can I improve the article further. Thanks! Algophile (talk) 04:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Algophile, can you give me those sources? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 12:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nomadicghumakkad, all sources are in the article itself. Dr. Bast is internationally renowned scientist with seven species discoveries in his credit. Further sources: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/mermaid-plant-india-andamans-archipelago-b1903845.html https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/antarctica-moss-bryum-bharatiensis-india-b1880299.html https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/beneficial-algal-species-discovered/article6857202.ece https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0109295 https://vigyanprasar.gov.in/product/voyage-to-antarctica/ https://onlinecourses.swayam2.ac.in/ugc19_ma03/preview Thanks, Algophile (talk) 14:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Algophile, looks good. I always like to see more academics finding place at Wiki. Can you ensure all information is appropriately sourced? WP:VER requires all information to be cited. Currently, for example, following thing is unsourced. There is more of course. The following is an example:

Felix Bast was born in Payyannur, Kerala, India. He attended government Boys' High School in Payyannur. Subsequently, he completed BSc in Microbiology from Kannur University with the university first rank and MSc in Biotechnology with First Class from the University of Madras Guindy Campus. Bast was associated with the Department of Chemical Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay as a PhD student and CSIR-JRF. In 2015 he left IIT Bombay to accept the Japanese Government Doctoral Scholarship (MEXT) and completed PhD in Marine Biology from Kochi University, Shikoku, Japan. Other institutes where he took training include Friday Harbor Laboratories (University of Washington, USA) and Marine Biological Association of UK laboratories, Plymouth, UK.

Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

DRAFT: Youth Progress Index rejected article

6 September 2021 FBMR94 (talk) 09:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)FBMR94

Hello Nomadicghumakkad, Thank you for having revised my article. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Youth_Progress_Index I see you reckoned that the sources and citation were not reliable. In this last submission, I included a couple of others, including the UN and I have added some results of this index. I am not sure how to proceed since the sources out there are scarce. Could you give me a hint? Thank you!

FBMR94 (talk) 09:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)FBMR94

Hey FBMR94, I declined because certain portions are not cited at all. For example,

The data collected assess factors as access to education, healthcare, housing, quality of jobs and environmental sustainability, providing a more comprehensive picture of progress in a given country or community than mere performance in terms of GDP. This data could support the measure of countries’ success in achieving the UN Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). There is no source. Each and every fact has to be cited. Also, citing all of it won't mean it would be accepted. The question of notability still exists. Once you are done with citing properly, I suggest you check at WP:TEA and take more feedback on notability. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

FBMR94 (talk) 13:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)FBMR94 Hello Nomadicghumakkad, Thank you for your tips. Your suggestions made me do much better, I think. Coudl you have a look and tell me what you think? I still have troule with templetes. https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Youth_Progress_Index Many thanks again, FBMR94 (talk) 13:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)FBMR94

Hey FBMR94, I see that there isn't much news that discusses YPI as such. Is there any peer reviewed research on this? That might help. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:54, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, thank you! No, unfortunately I think I cited all the sources available. For instance the United Nations piece on the YPI, the methodology of the 2 versions etc...

I based the draft on the YPI's big brother wikipedia page (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Social_Progress_Index). Basically, the YPI is a specification of this methodology. If compared, I think that the page we are drafting is even more thorough with a more detailed explanation of data sources. What do you think?

In my opinion it seems solid since the explanation of data collection and analysis seems convincing and well-supported. Moreover, it has been endorsed by institutions and well-know research group (the International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (International IDEA), the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR), the Social Progress Imperative, and the International Organisation of Employers).

Thank you! FBMR94

Hey FBMR94, what you have said might make theoretical sense if we would be publishing a research paper. But at Wiki, our primary guideline is WP:GNG which I am not sure is being met. Like proposed before, WP:TEA might be a good space to ask better and more informed opinions. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:André Kërr

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad! I reviewed the draft of the article with several independent sources of differents big website news, such as Portal Terra and O Tempo, and I want to ask you if you could check if the new improved article proved now that it meets the notability guidelines. There is similiar articles of others vedic astrologers here in Wikipedia, such as David Frawley and Joni Patry. --ThelemaSanskrit93 (talk) 21:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey ThelemaSanskrit93, do you mind giving sources here - those you think are contributing to notability? Also check WP:OTHER which discourages us to give example of other pages in our arguments. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Susan_Forward

Hello Nomadicghumakkad,

Thank you for asking ["Is there any critical reception of her work?"].

I didn't find, so far, the scholar's reviews (but did found references to Forward's works in research articles thanks to your question).

That could be due to these factors:

• I'm not a researcher myself, so either may not know where to look for or have access to such possible reviews/mentions.
• S. Forward was the most active through the 80s-90s, when the topics she worked with - especially incestuous abuse - were (and maybe are) still a society's blind spot. (And that was happening mostly during a pre-Internet era as well, with fewer possibilities to spread information and to inter-connect.)
• S. Forward seems concentrated more on practice rather than academics work, even though it looks a bit strange to me that she didn't seem to publish the results of here work into the academics world (she should have had some reasons for that, of course), since the book "Toxic Parents", for example, in my opinion is comparable to such books as V. Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning", K. Horney's "Self-analysis", E. Fromm's "The Art of Loving".

Hence, how could this article be better marked as looking for the "critical reception" references?

YugaE (talk) 07:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey YugaE, you can check academic journals etc or any newspapers or newslinks where her work was discussed. I am evaluating as per WP:NAUTHOR. The other criteria that you might want to check is WP:ACADEMIC. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. YugaE (talk) 09:49, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:R. Duane Ireland

Hey Nomadicghumakkad, Thanks! Added COI to talk page of Draft:R. Duane Ireland Diane C. McDonald Dmcd2me 15:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)Dmcd2me

Hey Nomadicghumakkad Thank you for all of your help. I really appreciate it. Dmcd2me

Declined submission - Draft:Primeros

Hey Nomadicghumakkad,

I worked on the declined draft page of Primeros based on your feedback and advice. Could you please briefly check the "MODERN HISTORY" section if it all matches the requirements of a wiki page? I worked on the neutral tone of voice, sources and citations, deleted parts that were not encyclopedic.

Your help would be appreciated. Then I will try to resubmit it for another try.

Thank you for your time, and enjoy your day

--Tproch18 (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Tproch18, yes, it looks better. Couple of other things - can you remove all external links from the main text? Also ensure that no information is being repeated twice - for example the award thing. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Nomadicghumakkad,

thank you for your feedback. Deleted the external links + award info in the modern history.

I will now submit it again and hope for the best :)

Thank you and enjoy your weekend

Hey, this is good. Also, what's your connection to the subject? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

--Tproch18 (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Chirag Sethi (actor)

This article was rejected. Reason given by you was wp:nactor.. but this actor and page qualifies for what WP:NACTOR demands. I request you to review it once again. He has played second lead role in nanu ki janu movie. And famous holiday movie, famous webseries inside edge. aman (talk) 17:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Funnily, I am in middle of an interesting AFD that may relate to this. Can you tell me all significant roles done? Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Request on 14:17:59, 23 September 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Sunrisesoup

• Sunrisesoup (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Marsha H. Levine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! Thanks for your speedy review of my article about Marsha H Levine. The subject is someone who has led efforts to make the LGBTQI+ community visible. The very invisibility she fought and fights makes it harder to find visible sources that establish notability. I have now added some media references of her important work going back to the early 1980s and hope this helps. I appreciate any constructive suggestions on how to proceed. Thanks! Sunrisesoup (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Sunrisesoup (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Hey Sunrisesoup, most of what you have cited are primary sources. I suggest you read WP:RS. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Re: Your rejection of article on Mother Krishnabai

Dear Nomadicghumakkad,

Thank you for taking time out to review my article on Mother Krishnabai. I see that you've rejected it citing the unreliability of its sources. As a matter of fact, I've used all available published sources for this article. Except for a couple of articles, all of my sources are books published in India. Is that why they have been considered not 'reliable'? I have seen single-line articles, or 'stubs', getting published by Wikipedia. What I have submitted is not a stub, is actually well-researched (I have PhD from a US Ivy League university, so I think I am qualified to judge), and written in good, if not particularly inspired, English. I really don't understand what other sources you think I ought to have cited. I can definitely say that nothing I've written is based on personal experience or heresay, and all my data is backed up by published books and articles. I would be really interested in finding out what the actual problem with the article is.

It's a shame Wikipedia does not have even a mention of such an important woman saint of modern India; this is the only reason I wrote this article.

Hey, the key reason it was deleted was because it doesn't fulfil WP:VER. If that's done, it might be potentially notable. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:06, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Erik Doxtader

Hi there, Nomadicghumakkad. Thank you for reviewing the draft of my article on Dr. Erik Doxtader. It was declined becauase it lacked sufficient citations and sources, but I'm getting my information directly from Dr. Doxtader himself. Indeed, he looked over the draft and confirmed its accuracy. I'm confused as to what exactly needs editing and revising. I'd very much like to get this article confirmed for Dr. Doxtader so that he has a wikipedia presence.

Hey, you need to provide WP:RS to meet WP:VER. Also, please disclose your WP:COI at your talk page or article talk page. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:13, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft Decline Reference issue

I checked back on the draft (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Draft:Riney_Aryaa) and realized it was rejected by you. I've edited the page as requested and I'll like you to please help me take a look at it before I resubmit it for approval.

Hey, I don't think that the subject is notable. There are no lead roles in multiple notable projects. And the coverage is not enough for WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 18:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)