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RFA

Once or twice, but I always thought it was better that someone else nominate me. CloudNine 07:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks a bunch; it's a big compliment. CloudNine 21:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You wouldn't mind changing "Article Improvement Drive" to "Peer review"? It's just that I help out a lot more there these days. Fixed it myself. It's now on WP:RFA CloudNine 09:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Xihix RFC

You may be interested in viewing the request for comment on User:Xihix and perhaps certifying the basis for the dispute. CloudNine 15:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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Bot Delivery

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The barnstars you awarded me

Thank you so much! You have just brightened my whole day!! :D LaraLove^T/_C 05:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for the barnstar you gave me! I never thought I would get that one!!!! RuneWiki⁷⁷⁷ 20:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers June 2007 Newsletter

The Red Hot Chili Peppers WikiProject Newsletter Volume 1, no. 3 — June 2007
"When I joined the Chili Peppers Anthony and Flea could have said 'Listed, we're the whole thing, and you're just here to play guitar', ya know, but we would have never made a record like Blood Sugar or Californication had they said that to me, ya know; instead what they said was 'You're equal to us...you're ideas are no less important than ours are'." - John Frusciante News and Announcements Welcome to the WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers' third Newsletter, dated Saturday, June 23, 2007. The articles By the Way and "Dani California" were both promoted to Good Article status. Californication is at peer review. This month, we collaborated on Blood Sugar Sex Magik and The Red Hot Chili Peppers.	New members Since our last newsletter was sent in late May, several new contributors have joined the project: Bdifjb, stswil, Kaitonkid, G1ggy , MagnoliaPenn and Smithcool. Editors NSR77 TC
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Couldn't see any reason why not

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Californication (album). Kamryn Matika 19:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Really nice work there incorporating all of the comments - I'd have helped out myself, but I've been blocked for the last 24 hours. However, looks like it's going well and very soon we'll have our first FA for the project :) Kamryn Matika 00:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding this paragraph:

Immediately following the release of Californication, the band embarked on a world tour to support the record, beginning in the United States. To culminate the US leg of their tour, the Chili Peppers were asked to play at Woodstock '99 which became infamous for the violence that occured there.[38][39] The band was informed minutes before arriving that there were out of control crowds and bonfires in the fields.[38] The situation escalated when the Chili Peppers performed a tribute to Jimi Hendrix's song "Fire" to finish their set. The disruption turned into violence as several women who had been 'crowd surfing' were raped and property was destroyed and looted.[40][41][42][43]

Does Scar Tissue contain any quotes or similar from Kiedis about how he felt about it? Would be nice to end the paragraph with something along the lines of "Kiedis later said that..." Kamryn Matika 05:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll see what I can dig up. NSR77 ^T_C 12:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

I do believe you're a great addition to Wikipedia and a friendly contributor, but not yet ready for Adminship. I hope I was not harsh in any of my assessments. Best wishes, NSR77 ^T_C 23:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi NSR and thankyou. I think you were very slightly inaccurate re: pictures as I comment quite often at WP:FP, but having said that I've uploaded three in all my time here so fair enough. I really appreciate that you bothered to write a quite lengthy and heartfelt opinion, rather than following the crowd with "Oppose - doesn't write articles.". The fact you did that, shows you realy value RFA and dig deep into a candidates history. Scrutiny is what it's about, and you obviously gave up valueable time to scrutinise. As it stands I suspect the RFA will not pass. Sadly, I'm at a bit of loss now, as I still believe that I'm really not up to contributing to / creating articles with the level of value others bring. Logically, if I now go and join a wikiproject, or start massive additions to get articles up to GA or FA, it would seem I'm only doing it for the sake of adminship in itself, rather than to give me a couple of buttons to help in the backend maintenance. I guess I view it like this - does the school janitor need to have taught a lesson to be qualified to mop the floor?. All that not withstanding, my thanks for your contribution to RFA, my sincere respect for the Red Hot Chili Peppers contributions - that really is sterling work -, and I hope to see you round the 'pedia! Hey - It's a wiki world!! Pedro |  Chat  17:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

My thanks for your kind comments. If only there where more editors like you prepared to discuss rather than argue there would be no need for admins at all! Pedro |  Chat  18:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

RFA

Thanks for the nomination. I'm off to delete the main page... :) CloudNine 08:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music June 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 3 - June 2007

"I had a pair of cotton black pants, and I wore them every day for months. And Bill hung them outside the van 'cos they smelled so bad. And they flapped off on the highway. They were the only ones I had." - Michael Stipe Project news Stereolab and Uncle Tupelo reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Merzbow and Teemu08 respectively. We collaborated on Grant Hart, "Live Forever", Soul Asylum and R.E.M. (band) during the past month. During the month of June, By the Way and OK Computer were promoted to good article status.

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Singles on Californication

Regarding this change, note that WP:ALBUM now mentions the possibility of using such a section (at WP:ALBUM#Template:Singles), and that such sections have been added to the other albums by this band as well. You say it is unnecessary. Does that apply specifically to this album, or to albums in general? If the latter, your input would be most welcome at WT:ALBUM. (Personally I'm not entirely sold on the singles template, and have brought up some issues with it at WT:ALBUM, but the singles template has been added to the guideline without much discussion.) --PEJL 21:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess an argument could be made that having singles in the infobox makes it easier to do just that, by having them in a well-defined place. For charting singles, such as on this album, they can be found quite easily in the "Chart positions" section, but that assumes such a section exists (that any singles charted). So what do you think, should we restore the singles? --PEJL 21:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't really care for it either, I just dislike the inconsistency removing it from just one of the band's albums creates, especially if there is no specific reason why it it was removed from that album as opposed to one of the others. I guess the root of the problem is that the guideline at WP:ALBUM is vague about when the singles template should be used (using the phrase "may be used"). OK, I'll reinstate it, if only to provoke someone else to complain about enough it to spur some discussion. ;-) --PEJL 21:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't why the editor not having an account would be relevant. Unlike many other editors (anonymous and non-anonymous) this editor made changes that were almost completely in line with the current guidelines. See Wikipedia:Welcome anonymous editing. --PEJL 22:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

This contradicts this and this. --PEJL 22:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, that's possible. Doesn't really change anything though, does it? BTW, there might be something wrong with your user talk page. When I try to edit just this section (clicking [edit], which takes me to this address), I get a message "No such section". Does that happen for you too? --PEJL 22:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, that fixed it. It appears that Mediawiki miscalculates the number of sections when there is text on the same line as the section header. --PEJL 22:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Oops

Thanks. Its late at night here and I'm a bit dopey at the moment. Sorry about that ;) Ceoil 23:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll post a review next weekend; it needs a light copyedit, but other than that, I'd be hopeful. Good work and good luck with it. Ceoil 21:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

By the Way

Featured. Think we can do it? I can give it a big overhaul tomorrow. (Was there a tour for it? I don't remember.) After I've got another RHCP article to FA I want to try my hand at some history articles (Prague spring jumps to mind). I wonder if there are any good WikiProjects for that. Kamryn · Talk 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Bleh, I ended up being busier than I expected. I'm hoping to look over it today... you know what the really annoying thing is? "By the way" is such a common term that google searches are almost worthless. Kamryn · Talk 04:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Scratch that - I just can't do it. Kamryn · Talk 06:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

FAC

I took care of most of the problems you listed, except the Writing and Art cover. The art cover, I say, should stay (the quote), as it covers extensive, yet good, facts about the album cover, all of it coming directly from a band member. Also, the writing section I chose not to discuss about other songs, mainly because there were no sources talking about any other songs. And if there were, the album was released about 13 years ago, and no other information is available about the album. In fact, I'm lucky to have the info thats there already, due to the fact that the two main documentaries I used as sources are extremely hard to find and watch. Xihix 03:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I obtained two other reviews for the critical reception for you. Good enough for you to support now? Xihix 15:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you think you can cross out all the stuff in your oppose until your support? Since it seems pointless now. Xihix 20:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

What can I say, I'm a tweaker. ;-) Thanks! --PEJL 18:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

And happy birthday! --PEJL 19:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

My userpage

Glad you enjoyed my userpage! Sometimes we just need to take a step back from this enormous project and just enjoy a good laugh. That's the whole point of my userpage. Glad you got it!

Cheers! --Analogdemon (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Blood Sugar Sex Magik

The article Blood Sugar Sex Magik you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. It hasn't failed because it's basically a good article, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Blood Sugar Sex Magik for things needed to be addressed. Giggy _U^CP 23:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

This still needs a WP:FURG for each article it's used in ;) Giggy _U^CP 00:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Heh...I don't think Age of Mythology will pass FAC. But at least I know what to work on for the future :D (If you get the chance, any feedback on it would be appreciated). Giggy _U^CP 01:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I passed the article, if you didn't notice :D Giggy _U^CP 01:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll look forward to it. *goes off to grumble about lazy editors... :P* Giggy _U^CP 03:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

John Frusciante

Hey. As you're probably aware, I'm the one-man army comprising the vast majority of the editing activity on the John Frusciante article—which, despite that self-compliment, isn't a good thing. I've got FA satus in the crosshairs, but unfortunately, there are things that I can't do. Seeing as how you're like the lord of all things Chili Peppers on Wikipedia, I think you can help me. I need help adding images and soundclips to the article. This is the one thing that I can't handle on my own. I noticed that you added an image to the article, (an image that I replaced with an older image I found while browsing through the edit history. It was unfortunately a bit too artsy-fartsy for an encyclopedic article.) which indicates that you have the wherewithal to upload articles. If you're unwilling to aid me in this area then I'll understand and go harrass someone else for help here; but seeing as how you share my love for Frusciante, and you're one of the only actively devoted Chili Peppers editors I can find, I think this is worth a shot. Grim-Gym 03:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty confident that it's going to get GA status soon. There aren't a whole lot of things in the article that need sourcing, as I've made a big effort to do that. However, if you want to compile a list of sources, that surely wouldn't be a bad thing. As you may already know, I'm planning on creating a "style and influences" section soon, and I could probably use some help with that later on. The only major thing I could really use your help on (and I know you're really busy right now) is with pictures.

Oh, and about my By the Way comments—is it my responsibility to cross out the qualms I listed that have been fixed, or is that yours? Grim-Gym 03:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your recent edits to the Frusciante article. The last thing I want to do is seem like I'm practicing article ownership, but I felt that the information you omitted was necessary to the article. The reference placement at the beginning of the quoteblock is correct as well. I shouldn't apologize but I feel compelled to. I truly value all your work on this article thus far. No worries? Grim-Gym 05:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'm going to stop being paranoid about offending people now; it goes against my true persona. Do you have a take on what needs to be done in order to get the Frusciante article to FA? The only thing I can really think of is the addition of more pictures and a "style and influences" section. I think the biography section is pretty tight right now—sans the "current projects" section, which should be sourced and possibly expanded. Grim-Gym 23:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't see anything in the article (minus the "current section") that needs sourcing. I talked to XHIX about sourcing the Mars Volta stuff; but that can easily be done through the liner notes and may not even be necessary. Do you have access to the liner notes of any of their albums?

So you have a '62 strat and a '62 jaguar? That's sweet. Are they original (if so, you must be rich) or replicas? Grim-Gym 23:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a fairly new, Epiphone Les Paul that I've had for a about 6 months. It's probably the nicest guitar Epiphone makes. I bought it from a guy on ebay who hung it on his wall and never played it. So what did you pay for your guitars? I'm not in a band yet but I'm looking for one. Grim-Gym 23:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you have the Kataweb article that you referenced? Jensen removed it for being an "unclear" reference, but if I can verify it's validity and clarify the reference, we'll put it back up. Grim-Gym 21:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Ross Noble

Thats fine. I have actually been a bit ill over the last four or five days, and haven't had much time to edit, only being able to check my messages and maybe discuss a few things. You probably did me a favour by reviewing the article for me, so thanks for that. Cheers, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey NSR, I thought I should point out that The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) actually reviewed this, so might get in trouble for adding it to the backlog drive. Up to you, just pointing this out. Giggy _U^CP 00:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Aah, ok. My bad, I didn't realise it was re-nommed. Giggy _U^CP 00:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Grunge music

Hey there, I have a favor to ask. Some really good, highly active WikiProject Alternative music members like User:CloudNine and User:Ceoil are on Wikibreak on the moment, so I'm pretty much working on the grunge music FAR by myself. I'd appreciate any help I can get, and aside from nominating the article for FAR, you're pretty active and have done a lot of good work on Chili Peppers articles. What I'd like to ask from you is rather simple but rather tedious: to gather a collection of articles on the web that are good, reliable sources for grunge. This entails mainly searching through notable mainstream and music news sites: time.com, cnn.com, bbc.co.uk, rollingstone.com, billboard.com, msnbc.com, mtv.com, nme.com, and so on. I would want you to complie a list of these links and then you can make it available to me (on my talk page, a user subpage, or something else) to use as reference material. If you could do that I would be a great relief and I could devote more time to the books and print articles I have on hand. And I would be really grateful. WesleyDodds 09:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

On the Bleeding Through GA review

I agree that the lead needs work, but what are the NPOV problems? Why is it biased when I added both negative and positive reviews of albums, and I wrote that the latest album received lukewarm reviews etc. I deleted the opinions about any of their concerts, tours, or actions. Please give me some help. Gocsa 15:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you help me improve the lead section of this article? What more info can I add? Thank you! Gocsa 09:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

A Ghost Is Born

Thanks for reviewing the article. I have edited the article to suit your suggestions. Teemu08 20:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I've figured it out

I apologise for the mood swings - and thanks for the kind words. I've reconciled the fact that I have to work with these people with myself; a small consolation is that I can probably avoid them if I'm careful. I had a small realisation this morning that occured as I was checking out Wikipedia's article on my hometown; I saw that it had no photos and my first thought was, "Oh I should pop out and take some!", which was quickly followed by "...or not". But somehow that made me feel guilty and I think that as long as I have something positive to contribute to the mainspace I am going to remain here. I don't really care for the wikipolitics, so I'm going to take your sage advice and keep well away from it (and this includes stopping myself from browsing ANI - what a cesspit). Kamryn · Talk 06:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

By the Way's FA

Congrats on the promotion. Your efforts were well placed. Are you gonna focus on BSSM before you come over and help me out on on Frusciante?—All in good time I guess. Anyway; nice work bud, good work. Grim-Gym 23:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter Delivery

Please check your section at User:R Delivery Bot/Directions. I've changed it to show what you've said and linked. By the way, I'll be away August 1st my time, but UTC August 1st is the night before for me, so I'll do it then. Thanks, --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 02:52, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Delivered. That edit section bug still exists for some reason. Now that I think of it, you told me the solution. I searched my archives but couldn't find it. Sorry about that, but everything else is done. --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 01:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi, NSR77, and thanks for your participation in my RfA. I've withdrawn it, and will be writing up an "analysis" of it, which will soon be available at User:Giggy/RfA/Giggy when it's done. Please come around when you get the chance, and give me feedback on how I can improve. Thanks again, Giggy _U^CP 04:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way

Amazing work :) What's next? I intend to assist with the next one ;) Kamryn · Talk 07:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I just had a quick glance at the project page and I forsee that Blood Sugar Sex Magik is going to get a shiny star soon. I've missed so much! I feel incredibly behind. Kamryn · Talk 07:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

My name and the purple didn't give it away? I am of the female persuasion :) I left a bunch of comments at Talk:Blood Sugar Sex Magik earlier; they are things I'd fix myself but I don't have the original sources available to me, so I'm not able to clarify things. After leaving those comments I carried on reading and saw a whole bunch of similar things I thought were a bit off, but I didn't want to make a list of those things too in case it seemed like overkill, heh. It's really good work for one day's job though - you must have much more willpower than I, I tend to log on, make a few edits, get bored, and wander off to do something else. Kamryn · Talk 13:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

LOL, so everyone thinks I'm a dude? I wasn't aware of that hehe, I'm from Madagascar originally (but have lived in the UK for a good 6 years now :). The photos are quite bright yes - I took them at like 7:30AM. I was a bit rushed as I was walking my dog at the time and she kept trying to drag me away, lol. Costello Music is indeed my current project, and I've been thinking about popping to the library sometime this week and get to work on Prague Spring. I'm not really in the mood to do a lot of editing at the moment, however. I'll have a look over BSSM and Frusciante and keep an eye on them, though I don't have much in the way of content to add. 16:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I think BSSM is ready for FAC now, to be honest. And also.. have you ever considered an RFA? You more than meet all the usual requirements to become an admin. Kamryn · Talk 18:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Really? That's odd, as far as I can see you'd pass easily. In fact you are the kind of person I would trust most as an admin.. how ironic that the people who would make the best admins are more interested in writing articles! It's both a blessing and a curse. Kamryn · Talk 06:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers July 2007 Newsletter

The Red Hot Chili Peppers WikiProject Newsletter Volume 1, no. 4 — July 2007
"It was the most horrible show ever. Every single note, every single word, hurt, knowing that we were no longer a band. I kept looking over at John and seeing this dead statue of disdain...that night, John disappeared from the topsy-turvy world of the Red Hot Chili Peppers." — Anthony Kiedis News and Announcements Welcome to the WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers' fourth Newsletter, dated Wednesday, August 1, 2007. By the Way and Californication have both been promoted to Featured Article status. The articles Blood Sugar Sex Magik and John Frusciante were promoted to Good Article status. The Collaboration of the Week is currently inactive.	New members Since our last newsletter was sent in late May, several new contributors have joined the project: Grim-Gym, Smithcool, Geelcat, Pianoman7692, Skeeker, and Saget53. Editors NSR77 TC
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WikiProject Alternative music July 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 4 - July 2007

"Thurston Moore? Is that your real name? I mean, give me a break. You made that up. That's a good one. Did you have a mom and shit like that?" - Gibby Haynes Project news Californication (album), Dookie, Be Here Now, and By the Way reached featured article status and Wilco discography reached featured list status in the past month! We now have 20 articles of featured quality. Well done to the various WP:RHCP editors, Xihix, Ceoil, WesleyDodds, and Teemu08. Kate Bush was featured on the Main Page on July 30. We collaborated on Meat Puppets, In Utero, "Touch Me I'm Sick", John Frusciante, and Zeitgeist (The Smashing Pumpkins album) during the past month. During the month of July, Sky Blue Sky, R.E.M. (band), "Monkey Gone to Heaven", A.M. (album), The Cure, Blood Sugar Sex Magik, Wilco, Loose Fur, John Frusciante, A Ghost Is Born and Being There (album), a total of 11 articles, were promoted to good article status; a record month. We now have 33 GAs, out of a total of ~680 articles.

New members Killereditors, Xihix, M2Ys4U and Lostvalley joined the alternative music fold during July. Editors User:CloudNine, User:WesleyDodds

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Dragon Quest VI

You recently put the Dragon Quest VI on hold for good article, and i just had a few questions (I'm new at this whole good article stuff). You said the story stuff can be cut a little bit which is easy, but you suggested that the reception and production sections should be larger. I wish they were too, but seeing as how the game was only released in Japan over ten years ago, we've pretty much scrapped together any info we can find. I hope you can see the dilemma here.

Also, once the stuff that needs fixing is fixed, do I tell you or what? Thanks for your time. Evaunit666 03:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I added a little bit to the development section and cut down the story section. For length of the story section, I looked at the Final Fantasy articles (the ones not tagged for having too long story sections) and I only kept information that helped understanding of the plot. You think it's ready? Evaunit666 02:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Costello Music

I'd appreciate it if you could take a look and let me know what you think sometime. Kamryn · Talk 11:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Pumpkins

Nope, not really. Would take a bit of work; we'd need to get all the album articles to at least GA, as well as the core band members pages. Also, right after I got the Pumpkins page to FA I toyed with overhauling Billy Corgan but quickly found I was more interested in writing about the band and its music than in Billy's personal life. If anything that interests me could be a featured topic with the right amount of work, it'd be Nirvana. I'll think about that one. WesleyDodds 01:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It's alright, we're doing well so far. Whatever you can contribute is appreciated. WesleyDodds 10:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

BSSM

Hiya. OK, I gave it a good read and I take back my comments about it being ready for FAC - I don't want to be rude or anything, but the prose is quite clumsy and in some places it reads like my early high school essays (which is not a good thing, lol). The 'writing and composition' section and everything after that could probably do with a good copyedit; i can do it myself if you like, or you could ask someone who's good at that kind of thing (i hear User:Tony1 is really good).

Here are some comments I wrote down before I realised that the list was going to get quite long:

• I would take away the citations from the lead; they aren't necessary.

• "The album's subject material incorporated various sexual innuendos and referenced drugs, death, lust, and exuberance."

would be better as

"The album's subject material incorporated various sexual innuendos and referenced drugs and death as well as themes of lust and exuberance."

as 'referenced lust and exuberance' sounds a bit weird. feel free to rephrase my suggestion.

• All the comments I made about the background suggestion have been fixed and it reads really well now ;)

From 'Writing and composition'

• "Blood Sugar's lyrical and musical content came at a much quicker pace than Mother's Milk had." - sounds a bit odd, i would add 'the creation of' or something to the beginning.

• "Much of the lyrical content expressed throughout Blood Sugar Sex Magik involves various sexual references, innuendos and actions, as it was a powerful influence in Kiedis' mind, at the time" 'much of the lyrical content expressed' is awkward - in fact the entire sentence is. i think it would be better as some form of "Sexual references were a major theme within the lyrical content of the album, as it was on Kiedis' mind at the time".

• "Songs such as "Suck My Kiss", "If You Have to Ask", "Sir Psycho Sexy", "Give It Away" and "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" were all based on various links to sex." 'various links to sex'? some examples would be helpful, the constant references to "various innuendos" "various links" etc are rather vague. the phrasing is awkward at best too.

• "Kiedis also began writing about anguish, and the self destructive thoughts he would consistently experience when he had been addicted to heroin and speed.[23]" - the tense needs to be consistent, so that should be "he consistently experienced".

• "He wanted Kiedis to write a song simply about girls, and cars." misplaced comma ;)

etc etc. There's a lot more of that kind of thing, I think. Of course you can feel free to disagree with me on any or all points and I'd be glad to hear your feedback :) Kamryn · Talk 21:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

• No one could ever accuse you of not being prompt! I'm taking a break from singing along to Cartoon Heroes on repeat to go over it now; this is one of my favourite activities, so I hope you appreciate the sacrifice I'm making here. I'd make the edits myself, but I noticed that just now you did things differently than what I suggested, and it was in fact better. :) Kamryn · Talk 22:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I fixed some minor things myself.

• "And while Kiedis lamented the idea, he created "The Greeting Song" based solely on girls, and cars." - Too informal, lacking encyclopedic tone.

• "It turned out to be a disaster, as he hated every aspect of the lyrics." - And yet it appeared on the album, which seems contradictory. Was it contrary to Kiedis' wishes?

• "One of Blood Sugar Sex Magik's most melodic songs, "Breaking the Girl", was written about Kiedis and his varying love life, fearing how he was simply a womanizer, following closely to his father's footsteps." - This is practically comma abuse! Really needs to be rephrased. For example: "One of Blood Sugar Sex Magik's most melodic songs, "Breaking the Girl", was written about Kiedis and his constantly changing relationships. He feared that he was following in his father's footsteps and becoming simply a womanizer."

• The paragraph that begins "Kiedis felt that...". If the citation for the first three sentences is the same, you might as well put it at the end of the third sentence. Each individual sentence does not really require a citation and it makes it hard to read and interrupts the flow of the article.

• "In the middle of "Breaking the Girl", the band members gathered scrap metal from junk yards to be used as a bridge of metallic percussion, in the middle of the song." Hmm, doesn't really fit with the rest of the paragraph. Also rather ambiguous - does it mean that they actually stopped in the middle of recording, or that they gathered it beforehand to be used in the middle of the song? If the latter, 'in the middle' doesn't need to be used twice.

• "To promote the album in Europe, Kiedis and Frusciante agreed to go." - To Europe? Awkward.

• "A figure that could get any girl, and do anything he pleased to them." Sentence fragment

• Critical reception section is fine.

• ""John had broken our unwritten rule of no spouses or girlfriends on the road."" - 'Kiedis said that..'

Done :) Back to singing. Kamryn · Talk 22:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you; I think that counts as appreciating my sacrifice! You're a pretty awesome Wikipedian yourself :) I wish I had the drive to push articles to FA by myself - I want more FA userboxes on my page so that I can be a complete asshole to people and get away with it. Oh well - drop me a note on my talk page when you nominate BSSM, p-lease. Kamryn · Talk 00:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really relevant but: Whenever I hit the 'edit' button for this section, MediaWiki tells me this section does not exist. I know it exists goddamnit!

Anyway: Haha RHCP is high culture now? Love it ;) Thanks a lot! I can totally raise my asshole quota by at least 25% now :D But seriously, thanks really really muchly for being really supportive and making me like Wikipeda again after my tantrums :) Kamryn · Talk 00:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to but in, just thought I'd say I fixed the edit bug again. --PEJL 17:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh and, RE: the song choice thing, I think that should be mentioned in the article to make things clear. I didn't know that heh, I actually know very little about the bands I like. I just listen to their music. I'm a pretty shitty fan. Kamryn · Talk 01:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Go for it. I'm sure things will crop up in the FAC but I'm pretty sure it'll pass :) Kamryn · Talk 08:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Mess? What? Where? Kamryn · Talk 17:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, I see. *e-hugs* Never mind :) Kamryn · Talk 18:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Good to know! It's up to you to decide if you're biased or not. I'm not too worried about it being promoted any time soon, I'm not really in the mood to do much editing anyway. Kamryn · Talk 18:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Bungle

Hi, thanks for doing the Bungle GA review so quickly (I had a feeling I’d get a Chilli Peppers or No Doubt fan reviewing the article, though me being a fan and a reviewer despising them will help to make it a neutral article). The comments provided have been helpful and I see now there is some work to do re toning down the style of the article. I bet there is probably many sources which state Bungle suck, so I’ll try to work some more into the article. Anyway thanks again, cheers - Mr Bungle | talk 01:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your support for my RFA! It passed and I'm looking forward to it --AW 17:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Blood Sugar Sex Magik

I don't know if this is orthodox or not to mention it to you here, but much of Grim-Gym's review is bullcrap. I defended some of the more outrageous claims, but really, I have no clue what grammar/copyediting book he/she is taking her cues from.--Esprit15d 03:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you feel I was deserving of the (subversive) attack I just endured from Esprit15d? Since you're the editor here I'll just offer this to you: if you feel his view has credence—which I concede, it does—I'll be more than happy to clarify my points in any way I can. If my points cannot be clarified or reconciled, then I will recant them. The last thing I want is for my review to be nullified by disparaging claims from an arrogant editor. Grim-Gym 06:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any negative feelings toward you; in fact, I have a lot of respect for what you're doing. I recognize that you're something of an innocent bystander in this case. My qualm with the Cristgau statement is this: You say that the "points regarding the Christgau one are dismissible as he is a well known critic and a two-star honorable mention is a highly regarded album grade". This is a very simple fix—and I'd do it myself but it'd defeat the purpose. You need to put the word "critic" before his name, and you need to state the importance of the two-star honorable mention rating just exactly as you did when you mentioned it to both me and esprit. "...a two-star honorable mention, one of his highest ratings". It might just be me, but I consider his idiosyncratic rating system worth clarifying. Thanks for understanding. Grim-Gym 16:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate it. I just want to say that you have never done anything to remotely upset me, so if you're feeling that I'm upset at you in any way—I'm not. I just wish Espirit would've nobly asked me for clarification, rather than going to you in an attempt to invalidate my review. I have no ill-will towards him either, because his faults are his own. Grim-Gym 16:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've seen that—it's awesome. You've fixed the majority of my points with the article, so I'm just going to ahead and run through the article and fix whatever I was unable to aptly convey. Barring some unforeseen problem that I'd prefer you dealt with, I'll support this nomination soon. Thanks. Grim-Gym 17:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you could look for neutral or negative statements within positive reviews--perhaps list a few other aspects of the album that were criticized in addition to the sexual content. I think this is pretty important, so keep searching. This is only a last resort, but if you really can't find anything, then I'll let it go. Grim-Gym 19:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep looking for content if haven't already exhausted your options. I'll check back in a few hours and if you still haven't found anything to suffice, then I'll endorse the article anyway. Grim-Gym 20:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I've fully endorsed the article. Excellent work. Grim-Gym 03:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		I Grim-Gym, hereby award you this barnstar; for your seemingly effortless ability address people with kindness and dignity. You went the extra mile to dig deep and understand the essence of what I was trying to say; rather than condescendingly nullifying my opinion after I misspoke—which you easily could have done. I don't know you very well yet, but your actions have earned my respect. Grim-Gym 03:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

They're not exactly quotes.

And they're probably better explained via email ;) Kamryn · Talk 13:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

GAC backlog contest

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thank you for your participation in the GAC backlog elimination drive! ¿SFGiДnts! ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 21:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[1]

		The Original Barnstar
		For getting Blood Sugar Sex Magik to featured article status, as well as amazing work on other articles and other aspects of Wikipedia :) Kamryn · Talk 20:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Blood Sugar Sex Magik reviews

While Blood Sugar Sex Magik is a good article in all other respects, I was actually going to vote a weak oppose before the FAC closed this morning due to the lack of more critical commentary. I've found the Entertainment Weekly review ([2]) which does offer a differing opinion on the album. I would suggest other project RHCP project members, if they are near a good library, trying looking through their magazine archives for further reviews. WesleyDodds 22:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Audio files

Yes; I'll be glad to do this, but it may be a few days before I have time. -SCEhardT 16:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Frusciante (2)

I'm glad to hear that I'm going to have a collaborator on the Frusciante article now. That's awesome. I've started to get a little discouraged by being the article's sole devotee. I've been saying for a while that I'm going to start a "style and influences" section, but I've been a little busy of late to actually get it going. I have a very good idea of what I want to do, and I also have a few sources lined up. If you want to start looking for some more sources--something that we could further use as a foundation for this section, that'd be great. I haven't looked on youtube yet, but I bet there's a bunch of good info we could use there. There is a video of John giving Lessons there that I'll probably reference, but that's all I've seen thus far. Congrats on BSSM's FA. Keep kicking ass. Grim-Gym 04:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I've seen part of that interview before—he's so tweaked, it's insane. I'm not sure what we should do to get started. I think we should probably just writing the new section, and then go from there with the sources. Or we could get all the references together and then start writing it. When I start the new section, I'll probably do away with the "current projects" section. Well, merging the first paragraph with the new "styles" section, and then removing the second paragraph. I'll then rename the previous section "2002–present: 2004 recordings and Stadium Arcadium" or something to that effect. The "current" section is blighting the article, and needs to be dealt with. Let me know what you think. Grim-Gym 13:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I suppose sources related to his musical style would be a bit harder to find, but there's enough of 'em out there, right? I want to address the style of his sound as well as his guitar technique here. Grim-Gym 13:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to post a bunch of info from articles (mostly quotes) into the new section that I'm about to create. And from there I guess we can incorporate this into the prose. Let me know what you think and if you know of an easier or more efficient way to write the prose. Grim-Gym 19:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any experience uploading images and dealing with copyright specs? I think it would be great if we could add this image [3] of John (minus the picture of the random kid) to the "early life" section. I think it justifies fair use because the image is irreplaceable; although we probably won't be able to find out who the copyright holder is—if we need to. There's a similar situation with the copyrighted adolescent picture of Kurt Cobain in hs article, so I think it'll qualify as fair use. If you think we could get away with using it, would you mind doing the legwork? Grim-Gym 23:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The new section is starting to come along nicely—I just indiscriminately added that whole section of quotes because I didn't have much time and I knew that everyone was waiting for me to do something. I'll of course copyedit the hell out of it and add some more content as time goes on. As far as that picture goes—and I've seen that picture you're talking about somewhere. But I think it'd be more formal to have his yearbook picture. Many high-quality articles use yearbook photos, so I suppose it's much more orthodox. We could also probably get around fair-use irreplaceableness because it's from his Mar-Vista time which is mentioned in the article directly. Let me know what you think. Grim-Gym 20:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Great work! You did exactly what I hoped would get done. I'll give the section a copyedit run-through tonight when I have some time. There's a bit more content that I'm planning on adding, so I'll try to do some of that too—if I get a chance. Oh, and what was our decision on that yearbook picture? Is it a feasible addition or do we need to look for something else? Grim-Gym 20:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I just remembered—We need to add something addressing his preference for vintage guitars, and the fact that he doesn't play guitars made after the '60's. I've been unable to find a citation for this, so maybe you can? Grim-Gym 02:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I'll give the influences section a once-over and then submit it for review. Grim-Gym 00:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Which example is that?—The word is used more than once. I probably keep reverting it because I don't like the word it gets replaced with and don't want to bother with a thesaurus. I'll find a better word after you let me know which line you're referring to. Good work. Grim-Gym 20:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we got the culprit sentence taken care of. Let me know what you think. Grim-Gym 22:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

How long does a thing like this usually take? The first peer review yielded results in under a day, so perhaps that's skewed my expectations. Grim-Gym 03:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about submitting it for prose review at the alternative music wikiproject. What did you have in mind regarding "having some coypeditors take a peek at it"? It's probably a little extreme to submit it to the League of Copyeditors eh? Grim-Gym 03:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I talked to the dude from invisible-movement.net and he seemed eager to help with pictures, but I've since emailed him repeatedly without a response. If you want to give emailing him a shot, you could do that...On a similar note, my image of John's yearbook got deleted for an "invalid fair use claim". I'm sure that image can be used in a way consistent with fair-use criteria, but I didn't cite the correct rationale. If you have any experience with this sort of thing, maybe you want to take a crack at it. Otherwise, is there a way to find out who holds it's copyright? Thanks man. Grim-Gym 21:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

That image is surely copyrighted, and I'd doubt the webmaster knows who the holder is. You should try emailing him and ask if he knows the who copyright holder are of any of the older images. I'm upset about the yearbook image removal. Is there any way we can find out who the copyright holder is, or which rationale is appropriate? Maybe you can ask some of the more knowledgeable wikipedians about this. Grim-Gym 21:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

A sparse peer review suggested that we delve into his vocal and songwriting styles as well. Got any decent sources for these things? Tell me what you think. Grim-Gym 18:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

That Selvaggio interview that's referenced doesn't say anything about the rock-star prodigy thing. I've deleted the paragraph, which was way to small a paragraph to really be acceptable anyway. I haven't watched the whole VPRO interview, but I will when I have a second. Anyway, how's it coming with the pictures on invisible-movement? I emailed the guy earlier about an interview there that I want more information on but i haven't heard back yet. I need you to try to get whatever info you can about that yearbook picture's copyright info. Maybe you could ask around--you know a lot more people here than I do. I'd really like to try to get that picture back up. At the very least, I know there's got to be a fair-use reason out there that would justify it's use. Grim-Gym 02:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you feel about the addition of a paragraph that addresses his songwriting and vocal styles? That article you gave me should be enough for his voice, and can probably get some songwriting technique info together. Shall I haphazardly upload a shitload of quotes into the section for you to rework into prose—as I did last time? Grim-Gym 03:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the stylus review only addresses his vocal style. I meant adding quotations for info on his songwriting technique. The songwriting info should definitely be added to the technique section, but I'm wondering if maybe the vocal style should be added to the Musical style section. What do you think? Oh, and do you want me to get you some sources for his songwriting rather than adding the info directly to the article? Because I can do that if you prefer. I know the quote thing is rather unorthodox. Grim-Gym 04:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Here are a few sources for his singing style. They're not great, but they're something. Here, here and maybe this one]. All of these are already cited within the article, so that should make it easier if you decide to use any. I'll get some songwriting sources together later. Grim-Gym 07:38, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a great start—nice work. I think his vocal and production styles have been sufficiently addressed, but I think we need to delve into his songwriting technique a bit more. I've seen many good sources for this in various places, but I need to get them together. I know the Selvaggio interview has a bit of useful info though, I can tell you that much for sure. I'll get them together when I have sec. Grim-Gym 18:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Well what do a bunch of school kids know about reviewing an article anyway?—just kidding. I asked the chick who reviewed it the first time for a review, but she hasn't offered anything yet. I think she will though. Think you could take a crack at uploading the yearbook, using the same exact criteria as the Cobain image? Xhix seems to be awestruck by your image uploading skills. At the very least, I want to see the admins delete it again. Thanks bud. Grim-Gym 04:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a way to attach files through the wiki email. You could give me your address, or you could go to the site, download the image, and cut it down to just his picture with the paint program. That's what I did. Either way is fine, so let me know. Grim-Gym 05:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The last paragraph of the biography section (concerning his work with the Mars Volta) doesn't contain a citation. While I'm not sure anything in the paragraph really needs a citation, this could be a problem later on. We could easily remedy this with citations from the liner notes from the Mars Volta albums mentioned, but I don't have access to any of these albums for verification. Do you, or anyone you know, have access to any of these albums, so we can verify and tokenly cite John's involvement? And do you think this is even necessary? Thanks. Grim-Gym 18:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Did you ever get that email I sent you? Grim-Gym 04:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice work with the picture—I hope it stays up. I wonder if the review get anymore feedback. I sure hope so. There are a few things I want to do with the new section before we submit it for copyediting. I've been busy as well, but I intend to work on it soon. Grim-Gym 04:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what you're getting at with the Pelligro statement. "Became acquainted" is redundant in lieu of "made friends"? I wanted to clear this up rather than just simply reverting it—which isn't really that constructive. Hopefully I'll have some time to work on the new sections tonight. Grim-Gym 23:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'm with ya. I reworded it a bit because "made friends" sounded a bit too "playground". Grim-Gym 23:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Think it's time to abandon hope that our peer review will get looked at again? Grim-Gym 00:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a bit of work I want to do on the new section before you request copyediting. I want my new additions to get copyedited as well. As I said, I'll try to work on it tonight, but I'm a little short of time so we'll see. After that's done, you can go for it. Grim-Gym 00:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very happy with the second paragraph of the Technique section. I don't think it's very comprehensive, and I don't like how it randomly references certain albums. It is a good start though; and I really don't enjoy creating paragraphs from scratch, so its existence is helpful in that way too. Grim-Gym 00:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I've seen a few good sources. I'm going to use the Selvaggio interview, wherein he says something about how he gets ideas for songs. I've also seen a few other sources, but I don't remember exactly where they are; so I'll have to go through everything again. Grim-Gym 00:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, sorry it's taking so long for me to make a move with my edits. I don't like holding this up. I'm super-busy right now, and I won't have time to do any real work until at least tomorrow night. However, I think it's important to get this songwriting paragraph up to par before we show it to any copyeditors, so if you want to see what you can dig up, that's great. I don't remember exactly where I saw my other sources for his songwriting, but I'm pretty sure at least a few of them were on the articles section of frusciante.com and the locborg site (just scroll through the article using the "prev" and "next" buttons—they have a ton of interviews). I should be able to work on it sometime soon. Thanks for all your help dude. Grim-Gym 00:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what's missing—but I remember seeing several good sources for this topic that I'd like to examine. I'm just going to run through everything I can find, and see if there is anything more we can add to this paragraph. Then I'll copyedit it. I haven't touched the paragraph at all since it was put up, so I just want tweak it around a bit. I'll probably get a chance to do this tonight. Grim-Gym 22:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It took me about two and a half hours, but I finally found every source I was looking for. Unfortunately, at that point, I was pretty short of time and unable to work on converting said material into prose. So, as before, I just added the raw info into the article. If you want to go to work on converting this, then that would be awesome. However, I do plan on working on this sometime in the very near future. I really felt like my absence was starting to hold back progress, so hopefully this is a step in the right direction. Thanks for the help. (Oh, and I just got your message. Having the image on the right seemed to clash with the music sample box, so I moved it back. Hopefully we'll get some more pictures in the article at some point to negate your concern.) Grim-Gym 21:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Very nice work. I'll copyedit the hell out of it tomorrow. Did you have a question about the source for the radio interview? You seem to have the source pretty well in hand. Cloudnine's review was helpful. It was a good idea asking him for some input. I think I'll ask Wesley to give it a glance. I recall him saying that he felt the article had neutrality issues. After I copyedit and we both find it satisfactory, you can give it to Tony and have him tear it apart. Once again, good work. Grim-Gym 03:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I copyedited the sections. There was an enormous quote that I just blockquoted. I think it would be best if we could convert it into prose, as it doesn't tremendously justify being a blockquote, and I'd like to keep blockquotes down to two in the article. I almost removed the paragraph beneath the blockquote too. It seems sort of redundant, as there isn't a whole lot of information in there that isn't mentioned in the biography. On an unrelated note, I submitted the article for prose review at the alternative wikiproject. We'll see what happens I guess. Grim-Gym 19:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you're probably right. But my philosophy is that it's there, there's no harm in trying. I'll ask Wesley for his take on it. So, how do you feel about this blockquote? Grim-Gym 20:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but since you asked...I haven't thought about it really. I'm sure I'll take a break of some kind though. What are your plans? Grim-Gym 21:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not as interested in Anthony as I am in John, but I might be willing to help get the other bandmates' articles to GA class. However, I'd probably stop there because getting a biography article to FA class is a huge endeavor that I'm not prepared to undertake unless I have a substantial interest in the topic. In my opinion, Biographies of living persons are the hardest articles to get to FA. But I digress...I finished my copyedit of the new section, and I think it's about up to par with the rest of the article now. Let me know what you think. Grim-Gym 22:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I just asked Wesley to take a look at the article, so I've basically done all I can for now. Now's a good time to ask Tony1, or anyone else you think would help, for copyediting advice. Grim-Gym 22:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I've considered working on John Frusciante discography. There really isn't much difference between that and a featured list like Wilco discography. I could see myself working on that, as I already know all its would-be sources very intimately. Grim-Gym 23:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

At least you're ambitious lol. Yeah it might be fun to work on the discography for a change of pace, and John's might not take a whole lot of work either. I guess Tony's real life workload isn't permitting a copyedit from him, so I guess you'll have to harass him later. Do you by any chance know of any free images of John that haven't been used for a while or something? I'm really not a big fan of your black-and-white picture. Grim-Gym 23:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I guess I'll go ahead and pat myself on the back for my efforts on the Frusciante article. It was in fucked up shape before I got to it lol. You've been instrumental in this second phase of development though—there's no way I had it in me to get it to FA by myself, I was already starting to get discouraged working on it alone before you showed up. Grim-Gym 23:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Whenever I'm in the mood for a nice hearty laugh, I think of the article's old equipment section. Grim-Gym 23:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, it looks a lot better. I probably won't work on it much until Frusciante is Featured, but you should go for it. I'd look at articles like Gwen Stefani discography and Hilary Duff discography (I know—shitty artists) for how the lead section should be fashioned; and I'd look at Wilco discography and Goldfrapp discography for how the rest of the article should be formatted. I think if we can meet these standards, getting it featured is money in the bank. The only problem I can see is that many of his albums didn't even chart, and some of the sales figures might be hard to find. Good work and good luck. Grim-Gym 04:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, it might be better to look at Sophie Ellis-Bextor discography and Natasha Bedingfield discography. The sales numbers for these artists are lower than the others I mentioned, so the article could therefore be used as a guide for writing a discography of a less-successful artist. Grim-Gym 05:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Wesley and Cloudnine both took a look at it. I'm sure if there were problems they'd let us know. Tony seems to be too busy at the moment, so lets not bother him. Just so you know, I'm going to be the one to nominate this article for FA status. I think I've earned that right. I'd of course love to have your help adjusting the article to the critiques though. Let me know when you think it's a good time. I'll post one more thing at the prose review, letting them know I'm going to nominate it, before I take it down. Grim-Gym 03:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Wesley has promised to take a look at the article within the next few days. As soon as that happens and all of his concerns are addressed, I'll nominate it. Grim-Gym 04:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, for sure. I just want to nominate it myself for the experience. I've never nominated an article for FA before. Grim-Gym 21:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

On a note totally unrelated to this thread, would you mind taking a glance at Tool's FAC? I want someone to give a second opinion on these quotes that are in the references. It doesn't look like anyone gives enough of a crap to address it. Just do it if you get bored—I don't have any vested interest in the article or it's FAC, really. Grim-Gym 06:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not interested in it at all either. I just saw the horribly messy citations and had to say something. I didn't want you to look at the whole article, just those damn quotes on the footnotes. I wouldn't have asked you, but you list Tool as one of your interests on your main page. It's really not important to me—I do weird things when I get bored. Grim-Gym 16:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You can forget about that Tool B.S. now. I just nominated Frusciante for FA status. Let's brace ourselves for things to come. Grim-Gym 17:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Are we still having problems with the copyright information of the Fruscianteshred picture? If so, this could bite us during the FAC process. Grim-Gym 20:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

What do you want to do about the "notable instruments" in the infobox? Would it be enough to cite the listings in the box, or do we have to mention the instruments in the prose/remove it altogether? Grim-Gym 18:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I've seen many good sources verifying the notability of the Gretsch. I can probably verify the Strat (Kiedis gave him one, will that work?) as well. I don't think I've ever seen a source for the Jag, and I know that it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to even a few petals. He's "affectionate towards" way to many different petals. I'll go through my sources and see what I can dig up. Grim-Gym 02:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Here are some sources for you. As I said, I could only find sources for the Gretsch and his Strats (Well mainly his '62 sunburst, that's probably his most notable). Here's the first source for the Gretsch. It could also serve as a ref for his strats. Here's a backup ref for the Gretsch if you need it (this one is already being used in the article. And a second ref for his Strats. Let me know if these won't work out for you. Grim-Gym 19:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

That may be true, but I think the fact the he would choose to rescue the Gretsch from destruction in a fire, above all others, makes it notable. It's his favorite guitar and he may have stopped playing it because he doesn't want something to happen to it, or he doesn't want it to get worn out. What do you think? Grim-Gym 20:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he didn't have the Gretsch before rejoining, or before the fire for that matter—I suppose that if he did, it would've been destroyed. I remember reading that Vincent Gallo gave it too him, but that could be hearsay. If you have a source for the Telecaster, then go ahead and mention it, but it's not really necessary. Grim-Gym 20:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It's probably going so well because I'm not reviewing it. I now realize what I put you through when I reviewed BSSM during the FAC. We're kicking ass on this FAC—we make a good one-two punch. I just want to say, I'm glad to have you by my side during this. Grim-Gym 01:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice work on the discography. You might want to consider using a different template for his solo works though—since they yielded only modest sales at best. Consider using the template being used in The Make-Up discography for his solo works. Just do what you think is best. Grim-Gym 00:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm leaving for Vegas in the morning for three days—I'm going to go see the Pumpkins. Can you hold down the Frusciante fort until saturday? Grim-Gym 00:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey! I'm back now. You and Wesley have done a lot since I've been gone. Nice. I'll copyedit the lead section and look into mentioning more info if necessary. It looks like its going to pass the FA though! Grim-Gym 01:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Holy shit! You've completely transformed it! I thought I'd have to help you out with it, but you've pretty much got it covered. I'll take a closer look at it later on and comment on the FAC. Grim-Gym 02:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I copyedited your addition to the lead section. It seems kind of lean. Can you think of anything else that needs to be mentioned there? Grim-Gym 02:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking at the discography right now, and I've noticed that From the Sounds Inside has been omitted. Was this an oversight or did you do it on purpose? Either way, it needs to be up there. Grim-Gym 05:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I've supported the discography's nomination. I just noticed that it appears that the "solo music videos" table has no bottom line. Could this be fixed? That aside, it's a very nice list. Good work. Grim-Gym 18:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I still haven't thought a lot about it yet. I enjoyed working with you though, and I know I don't really want to do anything alone; I had my fill of that a few months ago with the Frusciante article. What've you got in the way of upcoming projects? Grim-Gym 02:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I've thought about it, and I don't think it would be a bad thing to list some of John's collaborative works on his discography. While I don't fully agree with Caesarm that you shouldn't have removed the bulleted list, things like the Brown Bunny soundtrack, and his work with The Mars Volta should be listed. I know there aren't any FA discographies that have a collaborations list, so we might have to blaze that trail. Grim-Gym 21:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized that stating his appearances on the albums of others isn't necessary, especially because there'd be no way to set a limit to what should be listed. I do think the Brown Bunny soundtrack should be listed though; It's a notable endeavor by him as a solo artist. I think Flea's page needs the most work; it's in pretty wretched shape. I'm willing to help you guys out with Noel Gallagher—I don't care about Oasis either, but I'll help further the cause. Grim-Gym 23:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe I'll clean up the prose or something—I don't know shit about Gallagher either. Let's mix it up and focus on getting Chad's article to FA...Just kidding. Flea's page is a complete disaster and he deserves better. And seeing as how I don't feel like reading Scar Tissue cover-to-cover for the Kiedis article, I think I'll vote for Flea. Skimming through that book for John references was enough for me. I like Kiedis all right, don't get me wrong, but the man has a near 400 page book about his life, and it could be a big deal trying to decide what's relevant and what isn't. On the other hand, it could be a good thing though—you'd never say there was a lack of sources for his article—but I'm still going to vote for Flea. I should let it be known that if I didn't enjoy working with you so much, and didn't already know most of the RHCP sources by heart from working on Frusciante, then I might go completely away from alternative music and work on Jeff Beck or Frank Zappa or something like that. Or maybe on a non music article even, who knows—haha. Grim-Gym 05:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I was majoring in film at the U of Utah a while ago, before they fucked me over on tuition—but I won't get in to that. Photography is similar to film in a lot of ways, which I suppose is why I mentioned that. To me, there isn't much value in majoring in a musical field. The only thing that really matters there is if you can play/compose good songs. Nobody really cares if you have a degree in it. It's kind of the same way with film. Film and music degrees are, in my eyes, virtually worthless. Not to say that's the case with photography or journalism majors. So which institute of "higher learning" are you attending?

I don't dislike Keidis at all, but he is probably my least favorite Pepper (go figure). Some of his antics tend to get on my nerves a little bit—i.e. "ding dang dong dong ding dang dong dong ding dang...". He does have his strong points though. I think it would be cool to get one of John's albums to GA or FA—I don't think it would even be that hard either. I might take a stab at that in my spare time. But yeah, lets work on getting Flea to GA. Grim-Gym 21:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking everywhere for a place that'll make me a custom Jesus fish for my car that says "Frusciante" inside. I still haven't found anyone who'll do it for a reasonable price. Grim-Gym 02:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like BSSM is scheduled to be on the main page tomorrow. Mega props...Brace yourself for the ensuing vandalism onslaught though.Grim 20:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, scratch that, it looks like they're protecting it for a day—kickass. Grim 20:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice work, it looks a lot better. Let me know if there's anything I can do, of if there's any specific input you need. Grim 22:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't read the whole article yet, but the background section goes way to far back. Beginning when Frusciante left should be far enough. You could add info about Jesse Tobias and go into the auditions in a bit more depth. Such as how they auditioned Buckethead. There's plenty about this in the Kiedis book. I'll read the rest now...And I will fix any smaller problems by the way, I need to remember that this isn't like I'm reviewing a FAC. Grim 02:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

We've done it! Frusciante is now a featured article! I think we both deserve massive props for this. I might've been able to get it to GA without you, but I'm sure it would've stagnated there without your help. Great work. Grim 18:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it has—I can't say it's been easy though. I asked Brandt Luke Zorn to comment on the discography's FLC and he did so. We should fix his points asap. Grim 20:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely goddamn right. Just look at the how the article was 6 months or so ago. It's amazing. Grim 22:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Well let's start on it. It might take me a while to get warmed up though—or at least into the prose-writing headspace. The FLC got another review. It looks like this dude's upset about the RHCP stuff not having chart info. Good god, we can't win. The other points will be easy enough to fix, so let's have a go at it. Grim 00:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah you could use a chilling out. But don't worry about it, I love handling trolls. Go work on Flea or OHM or something, hahaha. Grim 21:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that's all part of it. Just slap a "busy in real life" template on your talk page and take a break. I'll have no trouble dealing with this FLC and our projects can wait for however long. I can keep an eye on the OHM GA candidacy too if you like, so by all means, go for it bud. Grim 23:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Right on. But if you ever need to take a break don't feel like you can't. Grim 23:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Somebody died in a moshpit at the most recent Pumpkins show (in Vancouver) and I'm going to go see them tomorrow. That should be interesting. Grim 03:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you're damn right—I was in the middle of an almost-riot mosh pit at a Stooges show. Not good. This show should be pretty mellow though, seeing as what happened last show.

The fucking Frusciante youth picture has been proposed for deletion. It's quite upsetting. I provided a clear rationale as to why the image should remain, but you never know how it could go with these things. Grim 22:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Sweet! So, what should I do to get started on Flea? I have no idea where to start. Grim 03:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha! Well, how about we get rid of the superfluous crap and then I'll upload a bunch of quotes? That worked on frusciante! Grim 05:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, along with the "guest appearances" section. You might want to comment on the JFYouth deletion page. Apparently it's a consensus thing that needs a "majority rule". Grim 16:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yup, it's total bullshit, but what can you do? Grim 16:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm that's a toughie. I'm not really a "favorites" kind of guy. Sometimes I'll think By the Way is the best, and then I might flip to Californication or Blood Sugar. It's one of those three though (like it wouldn't be). As far as John's albums, I'd probably pick DC EP if it wasn't so short—I absolutely love "Dissolve". Maybe Niandra Lades or Curtains. As far as other stuff goes, I devoted the majority of my teenage years to listening only to the Pumpkins. I've heard every song of theirs that's ever surfaced. They have some truly awesome obscure demos, especially from the Mellon Collie sessions...It's a shame nobody has any idea that they even exist. My brother is a deranged Pumpkins fanatic—seriously, he's insane. He has 150+ bootlegs of live shows in addition to the demos. We also have some super rare vinyls and radio promos. I'm kind of glad I'm not as obsessed anymore. My brother's display of emotion at the show on Friday was truly frightening. As far as other artists'/bands' albums go, there are so many, nothing really stands out. What about you? Grim 04:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Well JFYouth got deleted. Can I get an enormous "WTF"? The deleter disregarded consensus and the entire bureaucratic process, so I think it's worth uploading again. Dumb bastards... Grim 05:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess we'll just have to accept that it was deleted and move on. I wish we could find the copyright holder...Meh—nevermind, it's not worth it. Grim 03:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, I can't get motivated to work on Flea. I don't know why—I know it's a shitty article that needs desperate help. Opinions? Grim 01:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Amen amen amen. I'll take a look at the discography and lend a hand if I can. I think we've almost found a shortcut to getting discographies to FA status. It seems way too easy (I think various other members of ALM would agree). We should go on a FA discography binge—that'd be cool. Grim 01:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm just trying to figure out what topic I can muster up some zeal for. How about Niandra Lades?—That could be a change of pace. Grim 02:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I've been meaning to respond to your comments about Chili Pepper preferences. It sounds like you're a pretty crazed fan. Although not like my brother with the Pumpkins—you at least seem to have your fandom in perspective. I don't know the Peppers' b-sides very well, but I've listened to a few you mentioned; good stuff. What are a few of your favorite songs? I've always thought that the Peppers were a very consistent band, and none of their songs really stand out above the rest as far as quality goes. I mean, there are great ones and mediocre ones, but there is a consistent level of quality that they seem to have.

As far as Zeitgeist goes—I agree with you that it's somewhat mediocre, but I wouldn't call it a disappointment since I knew going in that only half the band was going to be involved. I like about half the songs on it, which is still a decent ratio. I think "United States" is a masterpiece though; and the critics panned it—so go figure. Grim 03:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Other than the fact that it's missing a full reference for the Kiedis Sloman book (which could cause Linca Linca to nuclear pants-shit), it's impeccable. I'll fix that right now though—go ahead and submit it for FA. Grim 17:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Mmm I know

I just can't be bothered. Going to take a break from Wikipedia, I think. Kamryn · Talk 18:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

RHCP images

I taqged them because I didn't see how those particular images really added anything to the articles whatsoever; the band still had the same lineup in 1991-1992 as they do today, and there's nothing to distinguish the one particular tour depicted from any other tour that the band has gone on (aside from the source of the image, obviously, but that's not really apparent from the image itself). I didn't mean any malice by nominating them, so assuming that I was wrong, nothing will end up happening with them. --fuzzy510 21:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Commons

In case you don't keep an eye on your contributions on Commons, This image proposed deletion discussion may be of interest. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 02:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

DC EP

First of all, since you are not new to Wikipedia, you know that deleting large amounts of information (which you did) is always cause for suspicion. When I saw your edit on the RC list, I first checked the talk page for that article. There was no discussion regarding the removal of that section. Therefore I reverted the edit, and a tag was automatically placed on your page with Twinkle. That is the only reason it said "Welcome to Wikipedia", as I cannot change the templates. So, I am not going to undo your edit again, however I stand by my original decision to revert your edit, as there was no discussion to remove that section of the article. I'm sure you know that Wikipedia recommends that a discussion takes place and a consensus reached. - Rjd0060 23:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

And if you posted a proposal to delete that section, and nobody responded to dispute your proposal, then you would have consensus to remove the section (since there are no objections).- Rjd0060 23:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers August 2007 Newsletter

The Red Hot Chili Peppers WikiProject Newsletter Volume 1, no. 5 — August 2007
"Well, I don't even know how to drive in this life, so I'm pretty far from ever having the life of being a stuntdouble. I had an Evil Knievel doll when I was a kid, that's about it!" — John Frusciante News and Announcements Welcome to the WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers' fifth Newsletter, dated Saturday, September 1, 2007. Blood Sugar Sex Magik has been promoted to Featured Article status! Please help locate a free image for use on the Main Page. John Frusciante underwent a peer review. The Collaboration of the Week is currently inactive.	New members Since our last newsletter was sent in August, several new contributors have joined the project: MDowdal and Famguy3. Editors NSR77 TC
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Grunge music FAR

Hey, I think we're close to finished with improving the article. Would appreciate your thoughts as the nominator over at the FAR. WesleyDodds 09:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've finished with the heavy lifting and it's minor tweaks from here on out. If you wish, you can go to the FARC and vote "Keep", or list anything else you want me to address before you vote. Thanks. WesleyDodds 11:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

John Frusciante

A few comments:

• You might want to add a sound file of Frusciante's pronunciation. It'll make it easier to understand, as IPA does involve a lot of reading.
• You could use a colon for the list of albums he's performed with the Chili Peppers; it'll read a little better.
• "Frusciante also maintains an active solo career, having released eight albums under his own name as well as collaborations with friends Josh Klinghoffer and Joe Lally as Ataxia." On first reading, this sounds as if Ataxia is a solo project (whereas the Ataxia article defines it as a supergroup). You may want to mention Ataxia and then his solo projects. On seconds thoughts, it might not be ambigious.
• "John Frusciante Sr." "John" should be fine.
• "following that" -> "then"; shortens the sentence without losing meaning.
• There's a lot of contractions in the article. The MOS recommends avoiding them where possible; they look a little informal.
• "Frusciante began studying guitarists like Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page and Jimi Hendrix." Was this when he was 11 or so, or later?
• There's "nine" and "ten" in the Early life section, then 15 and 16 later; you may want to be consistent.
• On first read, I'm not sure why playing at the "LA Forum" would be bad. Is it because it's a large venue, distant from the audience or what? You may want to note it in square brackets.
• A purely stylistic issue, but there are two huge paragraphs in the Musical style section; I recommend "Influences" be split into an early influences and later influences paragraph at least. Not sure how to split the Technique section though.

I'll add more comments later. However, it's a top-quality article; you should take it to FAC soon. CloudNine 17:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I've got a few quotes from a Total Guitar about Robert Johnson (mostly about their cover of "They're Red Hot") that might be useful in a number of articles:

“ Years later the Red Hot Chili Peppers recorded a version of Johnson's "They're Red Hot", which featured on their album Blood Sugar Sex Magik. [...] Of course, the Chilis turned the tempo up a notch, but the idea for covering the song came from a love of Johnson's work. "I was listening to a lot of Robert Johnson when we did the album," says guitarist John Frusciante. "Flea called me one day and said, 'I think we should cover this song.' I was really into blues at the time. I much prefer the acoustic one-man blues of Leadbelly and Robert Johnson than electric blues. It's exciting and innovative to me." ” — Mitchell, Ed. "Robert Johnson - King of the Delta Blues Singers". Total Guitar. February 2006. p. 66

and another:

“ The final cut on the album is the quirky Robert Johnson cover "They're Red Hot", and was the result of the band messing around at 2am outside the haunted mansion in Hollywood Hills where Blood Sugar Sex Magik was recorded. ” — Mitchell, Ed. "Robert Johnson - King of the Delta Blues Singers". Total Guitar. February 2006. p. 68

Might be useful in at least one article. I'll review the Frusciante article later. CloudNine 08:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, this is interesting. I haven't seen this article before. I think we could incorporate the "I was really into blues at the time. "I much prefer the acoustic one-man blues of Leadbelly and Robert Johnson than electric blues." into the influences. That would be a cool influence to name. Grim-Gym 00:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice find, I added a portion of it to the Frusciante article. Grim-Gym 00:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music August 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 5 - August 2007

"The amount of time it took to get Morrissey onstage was getting longer and longer. There was this great game he'd play of wanting to be asked 15 times if it had been 14 the night before. Johnny was like, 'Let's rock!' and Mozzer would be 'Well, somebody's gotta ask me another seven times.'" - Andy Rourke Project news Blood Sugar Sex Magik and Sky Blue Sky reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to the various WP:RHCP editors and Teemu08. We collaborated on Let It Be (Replacements album), Queens of the Stone Age, Dinosaur Jr, and Loveless (album) during the past month. During the month of August, Summerteeth, Anodyne (album), and The Make-Up were promoted to good article status.

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Done! CloudNine 22:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Red Hot Chili Peppers band members

The Red Hot Chili Peppers band members article received heavy editing today by new/unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to Red Hot Chili Peppers. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. You might want to consider merging the two, also. Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps

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Adminship?

Yo NSR...I've been looking through your contribs, and I think you're close to being ready for adminship (well actually, I think you are ready, but meh). What would you say to a nom? Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 00:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

December is so far away though! Hows about I ask you again next time I run? In any case, I respect your decision, and won't bug you about it.

...

RUN! RUN! RUN! :P Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 01:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

And I'm glad to be back. Remember, you'll be getting an offer some time soon ;) Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 01:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

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JF Guest Appearances

Hi :) Before you send some popstar discography links, try to read this WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, right? Best. --César 08:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Favor

Hey, I'm doing work on this week's collaboration, Noel Gallagher. I'm focusing on referencing print sources I have. There also happen a lot of internet citations, none of which are properly formatted and some of which probably aren't reliable or acceptable. As I'm focusing on citing books and magazines, could you clean those up? WesleyDodds 09:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. If you're working on One Hot Minute I have some sources available, primarily the Jane's Addiction oral biography and a reprinted Guitar World interview with Dave Navarro (however the latter source is in a book I lent to a friend who's out of the country at the moment, so I won't be getting that back until at least next week.) WesleyDodds 04:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Albums + FA

Since you're like the king of getting alt.rock albums featured, could you please look at Dream Days at the Hotel Existence and give me some advice on what it still needs? Thanks, Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 08:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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JF discography

Done. Found this while searching for Mother's Milk videos: Keidis and Flea on MTV. (Could you perhaps offer an opinion on Portal:Heavy metal here?) CloudNine 19:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

RHCP discography

1) have you at least read the links of your sources??what you write on rhcp page is wrong! they have different data, they have the data that i wrote...going on RIAA.com for example for platinum in USA or going on billboard site for billboard position, are u blind? why u want to write fake data?? 2) the other sources (UKmix, vh1, mediatraffic) are all reliable, and are the TRUE, not the fake. 3) I consider myself a Chart&Sales expert before a rhcp fan, i write on different chart forums and believe me, all the estimation that i write are from people that really know markets,sales,chart history and worked on real data.. the sales i give about rhcp are considered the most reliable online..consider that usually official sites, magazines & co inflate the real sales for "promote" the album, or in some cases talk about "shipments" (copies distributed on shops) data not "sales" data. the work that we made for have more reliable sales is long and hard and take consideration of all official source we could have. Zagozagozago18:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Zagozagozago: We don't want estimations, we want verifiable info, regardless of which is closer to the truth (per WP:V). Note also that I removed one of your sources (www.worldwidealbums.tk) when I cleaned up your edits, because it wouldn't let me save the page with it in place, because that URL is on a spam blacklist.

NSR77: Thanks! And thank you for working on the actual content. That part can actually be useful too. ;-) --PEJL 20:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

and u think that Kiedis Biography is more reliable than estimations made by chart-experts (not me in this case), Kiedis could say what he want, Warner Bros could say what they want, magazines could say what they want...

in the end is not important because the estimations was really similar (apart Mothers Milk : 2m vs 3m). but because i stay on charts a lot of times and know how work the markets from various countries, for example is simple impossible that Mothers milk sold other 2 million outside USA, it still not certified by IFPI (european sales) so is under 1m in europe, in japan isn't charted, in australia peaked around position 30, could be around 50k now..canada never certified. the same for By The Way, is almost 2m in USA, 4.6m in Europe..it did good in canada,oceania,japan so an other 1,5m is also possile..adding the rest of the world should be almost at 9m, maybe a bit less. Labels like Warner bros, always inflate the sales for marketing reasons but aren't the real sales. nobosy could say the real sales, remember, but i always think that estimations made by experts are better than fake data give by labels for increase the "success" of an artists. but how i say before, isn't important..the data are really similar to the estimations. Zagozagozago Zagozagozago 00:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Guest Appearances

Why oh why was this section of John's discography taken away? How incredibly pointless that is. It was very helpful to me, and I'm sure many others, and I also contributed to it. Wouldn't mind it being put back up if possible, as I do not have it copied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veniyanwarrior (talk • contribs) 03:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

The Smashing Pumpkins discography

I'm going to begin work on The Smashing Pumpkins discography soon, probably tomorrow but most likely Friday as I'll be off school that day. I know you said that you wanted to be involved with this, so if you have time between other projects the list could use the help. --Brandt Luke Zorn 05:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

One Hot Minute

Let me know when you take One Hot Minute to peer review? I'll give it a thorough review. (You may want to consider removing it from WP:GAN, as there's a huge backlog at the moment). CloudNine 11:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music September 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 6 - September 2007

"It's funny; recently I've started to notice people's impersonations of me, and it's basically like a hyperactive child. I'm a big fucking spaz."- Dave Grohl Project news "Today", Wilco, Pearl Jam, John Frusciante and Audioslave reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to Brandt Luke Zorn, Teemu08, the various Pearl Jam editors, NSR77, Grim-Gym and Gocsa respectively. The discographies of The Make-Up, Neutral Milk Hotel, Nirvana, Lightning Bolt, The Breeders and John Frusciante all reached featured list status during the past month; a record month. Well done to Drewcifer3000, Brandt Luke Zorn (who both wrote two featured lists!) CloudNine, NSR77 and Grim-Gym. Blood Sugar Sex Magik was featured on the Main Page on September 24. We collaborated on Nirvana (band), Jimmy Chamberlin, Noel Gallagher and Courtney Love during the past month. During the month of September, Dream Days at the Hotel Existence, Era Vulgaris (album), Feeder (band), Harry and the Potters, "I Don't Remember", Kicking Television: Live in Chicago, Powderfinger, "Starlight" (song)" and Weezer (1994 album) were all promoted to good article status, a total of nine articles!

New members User:Dihydrogen Monoxide and User:Connorhalsell joined the alternative music fold during September. Editors User:CloudNine

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Sweeps

I'm not sure if you've heard about the GA sweeps or not. We're going through all listed Good articles to ensure they meet the criteria. Only established and trusted reviewers are being asked to participate. Check out the project page, if you're interested, add your name to the list, pick a topic, tag it as under review, and get to it. :) Lara❤Love 01:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirects

Don't you think you should take these to AFD instead? Jauerback 20:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm reverting all of your 'redirect' edits. Take them to AFD. I don't care if you think it's too cumbersome of a process. Jauerback 20:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

You're right, you can remove comments from your talk page. It's your page. Jauerback 20:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)