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Tech News: 2015-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• In UploadWizard, the dialog to see an image preview has been removed. You already see the images in the thumbnails when you upload them. [1]
• UploadWizard dialogs look a bit different now. They have been updated to the new OOUI look. [2]
• You can now edit music scores in VisualEditor. You can add new sheet music scores and get live updates when you edit one. [3]
• When you send an e-mail to another editor using Special:EmailUser, that user will now get a notification on the wiki as well. [4]
• You can now see 500 images when you upload images from Flickr with UploadWizard. Before this change the limit was 50. [5]
• The Wikimedia mailing lists have been upgraded. [6]
• MediaWiki developers spent a day looking at proposed code changes in Gerrit. The goal was to clean up the backlog and give feedback to volunteer developers. [7]

Problems

• Some visitors had problems reaching the Wikimedia sites for an hour on September 24. [8][9]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from September 29. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from September 30. It will be on all Wikipedias from October 1 (calendar).
• There will be a new beta feature that allows editors to use Flow on their user talkpage if they want to. Each wiki can decide if they want to enable it. [10]
• The Content Translation tool can give translation suggestions. This feature will now be available in more languages: English, French, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Turkish, Japanese, Italian, and Catalan. [11]

Meetings

• You can join the strategy process of the Reading department of Wikimedia Engineering. [12]
• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on 29 September at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation developers want the community to decide who can use OAuth in the future. You can discuss it on Meta.

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15:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

2nd Annual GA Cup - Round 4

WikiProject Good Articles's 2015 GA Cup - Round 4 GA Cup competitors and observers: Happy Fall! Get ready, we're about to move into the finals of the second-ever GA Cup! Monday saw the end of Round 3. Out of the 8 contestants in the semi-finals, 5 have moved to the finals. The semi-finals were competitive. Our semi-finalists reviewed a total of 61 articles, or a grand total of 1,151 points. If you were to lump the top winners from each of the three pools together, it'd be a close horse race; they were within 35 points of each other, which can only mean that the finals will be an exciting race. Tomandjerry211, our top scorer in Round 2, again earned the most points in the semi-finals, with 288 points and 16 articles reviewed. Johanna came in second overall, with 251 points and 13 articles reviewed; Sturmvogel 66 came in third overall, with 221 points and 16 articles. Rounding out our wildcard slots are Zwerg Nase and The Rambling Man. These contestants were very strategic in how they reviewed articles. Like every other round in the history of the GA Cup, success depended upon reviewing oldest-nominated articles. For example, Johanna reviewed 5 articles that were worth the highest possible points. Congrats to all our finalists, and good luck! Stay tuned to this space for more information about the 2nd GA Cup, including overall statistics and how this competition has affected Wikipedia. We regret to inform you that Dom497, one of our original judges and co-creator of the GA Cup, has stepped down as a judge. Dom, a longtime member of WP:WikiProject Good articles, is responsible for the look of the GA Cup and has been instrumental in its upkeep. We wish him the best as he starts his university education, and are certain that he'll make an impact there as he has in Wikipedia. The finals started on October 1 at 0:00:01 UTC and will end on Ocober 29 at 23:59:59 UTC with a winner being crowned. Information about the Final can be found here. Cheers from Figureskatingfan, 3family6 and Jaguar, and MrWooHoo. To subscribe or unsubscribe to future GA Cup newsletter, please add or remove your name to our mailing list. If you are a participant still competing, you will be on the mailing list no matter what as this is the easiest way to communicate between all participants.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MrWooHoo (talk • contribs) 22:11, 1 October 2015‎ (UTC)

Revdel on contribution screen

Do you know of any tool or script that will allow admins to revdel from a user's contribution history screen rather than going from article to article? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

So I guess you mean being able to use the checkboxes to selectively delete revisions? Or mass-revdel? In that case I'm not aware of such a script, but sounds like a good idea. I've got a backlog of technical work right now otherwise I'd be happy to implement it :/ — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:10, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Both. Checkboxes and a "check all" option (then you can uncheck the few you don't want to touch). I'd appreciate it if you could add it to your queue or point me to somewhere else I can ask. Thanks. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:15, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Pinging a few fellow scripters who might be interested Mr. Stradivarius, Writ Keeper, Timotheus Canens — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't be too bad, I think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN:Well, here's the first draft, such as it is: User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRevdel.js. Unfortunately, it looks like the revdel API call won't work on more than one page at a time--if you try to submit revisions from multiple pages for consideration, it'll only actually delete the first. Maybe I'm doing something wrong somewhere, though. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 10:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Awesome stuff! And full-featured :) It looks like the revisiondelete API endpoint is not documented? Couldn't find it on mediawiki — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:07, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

The autogenerated documentation is what I was working from, but it's less than awesome, as always; other than that, it deoes seem to be undocumented, yeah. I might try some things tomorrow, if I have time. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 05:56, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Nice. But as you say, only works on one page at a time. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Maybe you could loop through the revision IDs and do a separate request for each? Certainly more inefficient than batch-revdel'ing, but it'd address our issue. — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Pretty amusing that admin block messages above user contrib sections also have a revdel checkbox. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: K, both should be fixed now. Musik, I batched them by page name, so that at least we only have to make as many calls as there are pages, not individual revisions; a little better. Neil, that checkbox shouldn't show up any more (it'll still be the del/undel link that it normally is; that link is why the checkbox showed up in the first place). Seems to be working to spec so far. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

@Writ Keeper: Thank you, worked perfectly! Perhaps you should advertise the availability of this script over at WP:AN? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I think we should list all the admin goodies at WP:NAS. New admins end up going months without any semi-automated assistance, completely clueless that there's so many scripts to make their lives easier. Just checked and looks like there's also a Wikipedia:User scripts#Admin scripts that badly needs updating. The thing is at WP:NAS we could show how the scripts would be used in practice (for instance needing to delete a bunch of pages in a category, you can use Twinkle) — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe both places? WP:NAS for a centralized location and a post to WP:AN announcing new tools for old farts respected veteran admins who won't usually look at NAS? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:25, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah we'd want to notify existing admins as well. There's no way of course to let every admin know, but if we got WP:NAS up to speed and had the 'crats link to the "make your life easier" section when they make the welcoming talk page post, we'd see a lot more happy faces — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

my family

my name is deen and i come from the badoreon family The user Cavellio that has been editing the page recently is a cunt who i know personally and he made up half this crap about me. He is taking the piss out of my entire family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.6.164.3 (talk • contribs)

(talk page stalker) I've deleted Badoreon Heritage as a blatant hoax, though G10 would likely also have applied. That said, this kind of language is not acceptable and rightly will see you blocked from editing. Huon (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Huon. I did not get a chance to review the material, and for that I do apologize to 94.6.164.3. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Scripts not working on Wikipedia articles

Hello MusikAnimal,

My account scripts are not working on any Wikipedia articles. Some examples are twinkle and reFill. I am trying to edit this article for example, by reformatting the citations automatically. On the tools sidebar it does not show up. Also when I access Twinkle and attempt to rollback an edit, despite having rollback rights it does not allow me to. It has been working for a long time until I logged in today. I don't know whether it could be a computer bug.

This is how it is supposed to be for me when reverting edits

The link shows how it happens on the main articles when I am attempting to make an edit. It only comes on the user pages, talk pages and Wikipedia policy pages. I need you to find out what the problem is because users who use Twinkle and reFill might find it difficult to edit. They may not use the rollback feature on Twinkle. Could you please investigate and find the main problem and fix it because this is annoying. Thanks for your help --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:49, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Amphitryon AR

Hello, I wonder if you can help me with the following: There's an article about Hyung-ki Joo (pianist and one part of Igudesman and Joo) The problem is that the article's title / Wikipedia entry title is: Richard Hyung-ki Joo. I don't know where the "Richard" comes from, but the artist himself assured me that he is not called "Richard"! Hyung-ki is a bit disappointed that every Journalist falls for this Wikipedia fault. Is there any possibility that we delete the "Richard" from the title? I've deleted all "Richards" from the article (text) but the title is a different thing ... https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Richard_Hyung-ki_Joo; Amphitryon AR (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

@Amphitryon AR: Well given none of the sources state "Richard" as being part of his name, I think it's safe to say there's no reason for it to be in the article. Instead of deleting, I've moved the page to the appropriate name at Hyung-ki Joo. You currently have made only 2 edits using your account. After you make 8 more, you will become autoconfirmed and will be able to move pages yourself. Thanks for taking the initiative to fix this apparent mistake, and also allow me to give you a warm welcome to Wikipedia! Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:03, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

THANK YOU, MusikAnimal! This is so much better! And I know who will be most thankful not to have his name mentioned wrongly in some random newspaper articles ;-) Amphitryon AR (talk) 11:41, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Delay (again)

Okay, you worthless New York techie, I demand satisfaction. Really, @MusikAnimal, it's driving me batty. You don't want me to go nuts, do you? At least not any more nuts than I already am? If you didn't get anywhere at IRC, what about me reporting it as a bug? Even better, what about you reporting it as a bug? I don't care whether it's in fact a bug - it's bugging me, and that oughta be enough. I'm sure this post has brightened your day. Sunshine over and out.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:50, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Haha Bbb23 sorry to hear you're still having trouble! We could file a phab report but let's first try to some troubleshooting. I haven't noticed a big delay lately... A few questions:

1. What browser/OS are you using?
2. Go to speedtest.net and let me know how fast your connection is.
3. What gadgets do you have enabled? Just go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, select the list of gadgets using your mouse and copy and paste them in a collapsed template like:
   {{collapse top}}
   ...crap ton of text...
   {{collapse bottom}}
4. Is the issue persistent? As in does it happen more or less on every page load?

If we do file a phab report we'll need this kind of info to help reproduce the issue. If the culprit turns out to be too many gadgets/scripts enabled, we can look into some workarounds. — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:18, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Give me some time, @MusikAnimal. When I went to do the gadget part, I discovered some gadgets checked that I don't need. In fact, I'm not sure when I checked them or if they were new and came on as checked by default. Anyway, I unchecked them, so let's see if that improves things before we plunge ahead with the troubleshooting. BTW, I used to use those kinds of speedtest pages, but I uninstalled Adobe Flash as it was causing me too many problems (it really doesn't get along well with Firefox) and had very little value as far as I was concerned. Generally, my speed is about 50Mbps down, 5Mbps up.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I was avoiding coming back here hoping that it would all just go away. It did seem to improve right after I removed some gadgets, but even if it's more intermittent than it was before, it's still relatively persistent and the delay is still not at an unacceptable level. There are times when it's painful. So, do you want me to answer your original questions?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:38, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, because honestly I haven't had any issues even at home where I've got a slow-ish internet connection. I wonder if Redrose64 is still seeing the delay? — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

What delay, and where did I last mention it? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Redrose64: here.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:21, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:52, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Here's part of it with a question.

1. Firefox 40.0.3, Windows 7 64-bit.
2. Already answered, about 50Mbps/5Mbps
3. Gadgets. The copy won't copy the text boxes so you can't even see what gadgets are enabled. What do I do?
4. Already answered in my latest comments

--Bbb23 (talk) 15:14, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Alright, this may not be fun, but I guess it's the best way to tell me what gadgets you're using: Go to this URL [13] then hit Ctrl+A to select everything, then Ctrl+C to copy, then here paste it within a {{collapse top}} ... paste here ... {{collapse bottom}} — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:43, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm using so few, it would be easier just to quote the enabled gadgets. However, here goes the way you asked for it.

Gadgets

{"batchcomplete":"","query":{"gadgets":[{"id":"searchFocus","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"category":"browsing"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-searchFocus.js"],"styles":[],"dependencies":[],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"Twinkle","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":["autoconfirmed"],"skins":[],"category":"browsing"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-morebits.js","Gadget-Twinkle.js","Gadget-twinkleprod.js","Gadget-twinkleimage.js","Gadget-twinklebatchundelete.js","Gadget-twinklewarn.js","Gadget-twinklespeedy.js","Gadget-friendlyshared.js","Gadget-twinklediff.js","Gadget-twinkleunlink.js","Gadget-twinkledelimages.js","Gadget-friendlytag.js","Gadget-twinkledeprod.js","Gadget-friendlywelcome.js","Gadget-twinklexfd.js","Gadget-twinklebatchdelete.js","Gadget-twinklebatchprotect.js","Gadget-twinkleconfig.js","Gadget-twinklefluff.js","Gadget-twinkleprotect.js","Gadget-twinklearv.js","Gadget-twinkleblock.js","Gadget-friendlytalkback.js"],"styles":["Gadget-morebits.css"],"dependencies":["mediawiki.user","mediawiki.util","mediawiki.RegExp","jquery.ui.dialog","jquery.tipsy","moment"],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"HideFundraisingNotice","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"category":"browsing"},"module":{"scripts":[],"styles":["Gadget-HideFundraisingNotice.css"],"dependencies":[],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"ReferenceTooltips","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"default":"","category":"browsing"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js"],"styles":["Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.css"],"dependencies":[],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"WatchlistBase","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":["vector","monobook","modern"],"default":"","category":"watchlist"},"module":{"scripts":[],"styles":["Gadget-WatchlistBase.css"],"dependencies":["mediawiki.special.changeslist"],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"WatchlistGreenIndicatorsMono","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":["monobook","modern"],"default":"","category":"watchlist"},"module":{"scripts":[],"styles":["Gadget-WatchlistGreenIndicatorsMono.css"],"dependencies":["ext.gadget.WatchlistBase"],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"UTCLiveClock","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"category":"appearance"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-UTCLiveClock.js"],"styles":[],"dependencies":[],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"purgetab","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"category":"appearance"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-purgetab.js"],"styles":[],"dependencies":["mediawiki.util"],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"dropdown-menus","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":["vector","monobook","modern"],"category":"appearance"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-dropdown-menus.js"],"styles":[],"dependencies":[],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"OldDiff","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"category":"appearance"},"module":{"scripts":[],"styles":["Gadget-OldDiff.css"],"dependencies":[],"messages":[]}}},{"id":"contribsrange","metadata":{"settings":{"rights":[],"skins":[],"category":"advanced"},"module":{"scripts":["Gadget-contribsrange.js"],"styles":[],"dependencies":["mediawiki.util","jquery.spinner"],"messages":[]}}}]}}

--Bbb23 (talk) 16:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

It's still in the edit window. It was there in Show previw, but I don't see it otherwise.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:30, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that's not very many. I see "searchFocus", "Twinkle", "HideFundraisingNotice", "ReferenceTooltips", "WatchlistBase", "WatchlistGreenIndicatorsMono", "UTCLiveClock", "purgetab", "dropdown-menus", "OldDiff", and "contribsrange". None of those looks like they'd slow things down too much... though you could probably remove "Add a Purge option to the top of the page", as you can purge the page by click the UTC time at the top-right, or using Page > Purge cache in the dropdown menus. Going to look over your user scripts next, where I see you also don't have very many! I'll get back to you soon — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:24, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

The only one you mention that I don't see at all, enabled or not, is WatchlistGreenIndicatorsMono. I've disabled purgetab.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:08, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm assuming that troubleshooting isn't going to help. So, how do I report this problem as a bug? It's not going away, and it's a daily irritation, not to mention just slowing me down.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:57, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

(tps) @Bbb23: I tried troubleshooting using your configuration last week, but was unable to reproduce any delays. Do you face the issue on another browser? - NQ-Alt (talk) 05:08, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't use any other browser to edit Wikipedia. I could try it on another browser, but (a) I'm not sure what would have changed with the browser several weeks ago to trigger this problem (and Firefox is used by a significant number of people, including Wikipedians) and (b) although I think Firefox has gotten worse over time, I don't like the alternatives. I don't suppose you could test it with Firefox? I also wonder what browser Redrose64 uses.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Firefox 40.0.3 but I strongly suspect a change to the way that Wikipedia pages are served. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

@Bbb23: Yes, Win7, FF 40.0.3, your scripts, css and gadgets, beta features on/off and it still is smooth for me. It could be due to the recent changes to mw:ResourceLoader Redrose64 mentioned (If so I'm puzzled as to why I'm not able to reproduce it), but I'd like to discount any other issues from your side first - a plugin/adblocker, antivirus software or an ISP issue. (For eg. phab:T112110- Various resources reported to load intermittently due to Avast antivirus). Could you try another browser and see if it persists? - NQ-Alt (talk) 13:51, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not keen on trying another browser. Maybe Redrose64 would be willing to do that given that we are using the same version of FF (although our configurations of the browser may of course differ). I will give you some more information about my environment, though. I use Avira antivirus. I do have Adblock Plus installed in FF. I've used it for a very long time. I have other extensions, but, frankly, not many compared to many users as I don't like most bells and whistles generally. Also, I don't think much, if anything, has changed lately about my environment other than incremental updates to FF.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:15, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm beginning to believe it's on the Wikimedia side as well. There are "availability zones" scattered across the world that make serving pages faster to people who live there, so that might have something to do with why not everyone is experiencing the issue. I feel like so long as you're not editing from Easter Island you should be fine. We can file a bug on phabricator if you'd like, but it'd be better if we could confirm others are seeing the same delay — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know I should mention that. We moved to Easter Island about two months ago. Redrose64 lives not too far from us. Seriously, how do we go about finding other editors with the same problem?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Haha well there ya go :) Well I finally got a reply on IRC that there were recent changes to the way ResourceLoader works. Bbb23 when did the issue start? The change I (or the kind folks on IRC) suspect might be the culprit happened almost two months ago. I was told the "top" loading queue is now asynchronous which in general means page content loads quicker but scripts load slower. It should be obvious why that's preferred, as it's a content-driven site. There might be some workarounds, but could you confirm that the timeframe sounds right? — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:16, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not good with dates unless I write things down. I reported the problem on September 5, almost a month ago, and at that point it had already been happening for a while. Whether it was a full month before then, I can't be sure, but it could be right. In the past there've been slowdowns at Wikipedia for other reasons, and I may have initially chalked it up to that. I also tend not to report such things unless they persist for a while.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:22, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Alright, well I'm told the ResourceLoader changes shouldn't have had much of a visible effect on users, so a few things I need you to try: (1) Go to speedtest.net and give it a whirl, let me know what the ping speed was, not just the download/upload speed and (2) You should try another browser. You don't have to permanently switch, but you should at least see if the problem persists there so we can narrow down the issue. Chrome will download and install in a flash — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, try the pingtest and let me know the "line quality" along with the "ping" and "jitter" speeds. That will give a definitive answer whether there are latency issues — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Yet another program that requires Flash. Do you have a different tool? I know I have some of my own lying around somewhere, but I haven't used them in ages.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:48, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

To measure latency, please use mtr (or WinMTR on Windows) against en.wiki.x.io. Nemo 18:07, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

^ Beautiful! That obviously will be a more accurate and relevant measure — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:24, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

The link above doesn't work. Do you mean this? If so, it's not an online tool. Do you want me to download it and use it? An online tool would be easier, but if this is better ...--Bbb23 (talk) 18:59, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

While I'm waiting for a response, I'm going to muse. What is this really going to accomplish? My response time when I enter en.wiki.x.io in my browser is instantaneous. Why are we trying to determine any latency? Anyway, assuming somehow this will produce useful data, what about entering tracert [IP address] from a Windows command prompt? Some online tool told me that the IP address is 91.198.174.192. Is that right? That's supposedly a server in the Netherlands. When I simply enter that address in the browser, I get a wikimedia error. While I was writing this, it occured to me that I might be able to enter tracert en.wiki.x.io, and, sure enough, Windows took it. The IP address Windows translated it to was 198.35.26.96. I'll try to give you the output, but some of the ms columns are not explained. There are 14 entries. The first is my router. It looks like entries 2 through 8 are all part of my ISP's network. The host name for entries 9 through 13 are all telia.net. #13 itself is a more complicated URL that has wikimedia in the first part (still ending in telia.net). I can't cut and paste from a command prompt, so I'm not sure what ms values you want from those three columns. If you tell me, I'll provide them.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal, my sense is that I've exhausted your patience on this issue. Therefore, from your perspective, you can consider the matter closed. If I'm lucky, the problem will disappear on its own in the same way as it popped up on its own. In any event, thanks for the time you spent on it.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:05, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Geocaching reversion

Hi there. I noticed you made this reversion earlier today, and warned the person who made the previous edit that it looked like they were vandalizing the article. I don't think that's the case; it looks like a good faith attempt to improve the article by removing a possibly facetious backronym. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 17:40, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Good faith indeed, thank you for the report! I've left them a note on their talk page — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:00, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Typo in responseHelper

"False postivie" --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:07, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Fixed, thank you! — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:18, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

RfP

Hello MusikAnimal, I see you are patrolling WP:PERM, could you process my request at WP:PERM/ACC ? Cheers, Mlpearc (open channel) 22:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

 Already done Thanx, Mlpearc (open channel) 14:31, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, someone beat me to it! Welcome back! — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:23, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hello administrator MusikAnimal

on the top this > BoldItalicSignature and timestampLinkEmbedded fileAdvancedSpecial charactersHelpCite

I want to add another toolbar that had more option for editing such time deleting , immediate deleting,  Done, ...

I want to add that toolbar to my page editing options please guide me which options in the preferences must be chosen

Thanks a lot World Cup 2010 (talk) 19:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

@World Cup 2010: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. If you browse to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and enable "Enable enhanced editing toolbar", that might be what you're looking for. I am not aware of a native toolbar that has buttons for {{done}} and other templates. — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:16, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from 2601:801:202:1021:F4CA:D6E3:5A95:D3BF

Can you re-protect The Legend of Korra Season 2 summary? Pucca vandalism. This looks like a clean copy: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=The_Legend_of_Korra_(season_2)&oldid=674597202 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:202:1021:F4CA:D6E3:5A95:D3BF (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

For this block [14]. Much appreciated, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:09, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The link editor in the visual editor now shows results below the search box. This improves the usability on desktop and mobile. [15]
• The description at Special:ChangeEmail now clearly explains that the page can also be used to remove your email. [16]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 6. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 7. It will be on all Wikipedias from October 8 (calendar).
• UploadWizard will remind users to add a category. [17]
• UploadWizard's category selectors will be easier to use. [18]
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User:Tlrtls1478

Why would you think this user's edits were not vandalism? Numerous times this editor had edited airline destination tables to make "XXX Airport" (official name) appear as "XXX International Airport" (not the name). This repeated in the past 2-3 weeks and this user had been given successive levels of warning. Why isn't this vandalism? HkCaGu (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

@HkCaGu: Adding "international" seems like a perfectly legitimate contribution, given the airports do serve international flights, and the links redirect to the correct article. Similarly adding the name of the city makes sense to me. It's as if the user is trying to add clarity to the reader, but there's no way to know unless you ask. I see warnings about unsourced content for which this does not qualify. Disruptive, perhaps, but certainly not vandalism. Assume good faith, and explain why the edits are troublesome. It's true they have not responded to prior warnings, but I think it's worth trying to talk using your own words when they are clearly trying to make improvements — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:43, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Addendum, you could argue warning about unsourced content is valid if you want to show the "official" name, which evidently does not include "international", but I don't think that's very clear in the canned warnings. Sorry, not trying to be difficult or unwilling to help, but we should try to give leniency to users who are not deliberately being disruptive — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:49, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi MA, could you add the rollback right to this alternate account of mine please? - NQ-Alt (talk) 18:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:08, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thank you for sorting out this bl**dy idiot (oops, NPA). For some reason - possibly to do with the schools history curriculum - this article attracts a lot of rather childish vandalism. It's a bit depressing. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 21:00, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, disruption resumed more or less just after the last semi-protection expired. I've gone ahead and semi'd for another week. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:41, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Sunburstbox

hi my new page on the band, indulgent, was recently taken down and i was inquiring why — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunburstbox (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

@Sunburstbox: See WP:BAND. I do not think your group meets our notability guideline. Additionally the content you added contained obscenities in what appeared to be vandalism. — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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AIV weirdness

Any idea what's happening with these posts? [20], [21] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:06, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Gonna make this bot thing happen. I've also seen the "Bot-reported" section just disappear entirely and be gone for hours until someone comes by and adds it back. The structure of that page should be automated and enforced — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:31, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

What happened is that Materialscientist (talk · contribs) added a hidden comment which advised people to use {{subst:IPvandal|example IP}} instead of {{IPvandal|example IP}} - the template is not designed for substitution. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Always knew they were a troublemaker. MusikAnimal, bot enforcement is a good idea. Things get occasionally wonky over there. While you're at it, any thoughts about the Twinkle bug that occasionally drops protection reduction requests into the wrong area? [22] --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:53, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

I've looked at it a few times and haven't been able to figure it out. The regex looks right to me. What's really baffling is it doesn't happen every time, and as far as I know the code in that part of the protection module has not changed since this issue first surfaced — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:42, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Okay. If you do ever work on that piece of code, how about adding a little "check with protecting admin first" message when the Unprotect option is chosen (if technically possible)? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:47, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Good idea! I could even have it detect who that admin is, so that they'll know. If I go that far, I should be able to hide the "unprotect" option altogether for when it isn't actually protected. The recent update should make that clear anyway. For non-admins it now reports if there is a current protection, and links to the logs if there previous protections — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:02, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Don't forget to account for the cases where the last admin of record only moved protection rather than doing the protection. That's tripped me up a couple times. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:07, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, that could make it tricky, especially if there were multiple moves. Maybe I'll sidestep that feature and just go with the simple "check with protecting admin first (protection log) (move log)" message. Thanks, I would not have thought of that — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:09, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Pankaj.kushwaha1983

Mr Musil Animal ...please try to understand the wrong history imposed on Kushwaha's by Mr Sitush. Yes this right , Kushwaha's are under OBS( Other backward caste) in few states due to the political benifits and somewhere like bihar on poor economical conditions. But to get list in OBC, doesn't mean we are Shudra. Jat, Yadav an few Rajput cast like Chauhan in rajasthan are also in OBC. Presently i am not in Jaipur but as and when i will reach, i will give you the evidence of Kshatriya Clan of Kushwaha's.

Till then, i want the suspension of illegal article posted by Mr Sitush. May god give him wisdom .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankaj.kushwaha1983 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Daybreak49

[23] There were two sides to the story of the marriage break up of Bill Etheridge. Only one side is being put at the moment. Disputed facts have no place in an encyclopedia. Please limit this to the fact that the couple split. Kind regards Daybreak49 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

My revert was in regards to this edit, where you removed a large amount of sourced content without explaining why in your edit summary. I see that you did in subsequent edits. I've no opinion with the content itself, but if you'd like to discuss it further you can try at Talk:Bill Etheridge, where other editors familiar with the subject can chime in. Hope this helps — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:03, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

War in Donbass

Can you extend protection? It lost one month of protection when the full protection ended, and IP edits weren't that helpful. --George Ho (talk) 02:13, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: No. The current protection expires 20 November, which is what it was set to before the two periods of full protection. We have over a month to go, there's no reason whatsoever to extend protection — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:20, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Please ban this URL

Hello my friend, how is this URL still allowed to vandalize?:https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User_talk:67.14.223.122 He just blanked the Mojave article AGAIN. - Thanks-Pocketthis (talk) 16:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks for the 72 hour block, however, it should have been 72 years. The history of vandalism is outrageous on that URL. It has been ongoing since inception. Pocketthis (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

That's not how it works. We start low and work our way up, especially with IPs as they can be reassigned. IPs are never indeff'd (I'd consider a 72 year block to be on par with an indefinite block). — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:12, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

• I was being humorous. However, when I checked the history of that URL, I didn't see anything but trouble. They're certainly not improving Wikipedia. Thanks for the quick block. Pocketthis (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Your bot seems confused

At Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Autopatrolled, User:Kanghuitari has been given the right and the discussion marked with {{done}}. However MusikBot is interpreting it as open and not archiving it. This has been going on since 30 September. Any idea what's going on? Thanks, BethNaught (talk) 16:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Looks like Miniapolis used {{done|done}} to mark the request as done. The bot looks for simply {{done}} and several other variants, as specified by User:MusikBot/PermClerk/Regex/Done. I've updated the regex to allow for the {{done|custom message}} usage moving forward. Thanks for letting me know! — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:48, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

List of Shrek characters

Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 17:30, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Non-automated edit counter down?

Hi, MusikAnimal. I tried to access the Non-automated edit counter that you wrote. Is it just me, or is it down? Paul2520 (talk) 16:00, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

It is (was) down, and I don't know why that happened. There are several Labs-related issues that I've been trying to work with the server admins to figure out. Additionally, there's a very annoying issue with booting the app up in the first place. I'm currently doing this trial-and-error process right now, and it should be up for good shortly once Labs decides to cooperate :) Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:58, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: Thanks, working fine now. Apparently capitalization in usernames matters. Is there a way to see which of my edits have been deleted? The total count given is different from what I see in my Preferences page. Paul2520 (talk) 19:01, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Yep the username must match exactly how it does here on-wiki. The first letter is always capitalized in usernames, and the tool was supposed to automatically capitalize it for you but I see that there was a bug – which is now fixed. Also happy to report that after several hours I finally figured out the "trial-and-error" issue of booting up the app! It now starts and works reliably.

Anyway, to answer your question... you can use numerous other edit counters to get the count of your deleted contribs (e.g. xtools, supercount). My tool heavily analyzes all contributions and omits deleted contribs for performance reasons. Moreover the main intent of the nonautomated edit counter is to see the contribs themselves, and you obviously wouldn't be able to see deleted contribs. Also note different counters may report a slightly different number of edits, as some rely on the replication database, the API, and may also have caching mechanisms. My counter uses the replication database and caching, so it may be behind production data, but not by much — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Music bot/tool for the sound list

Hi MusikAnimal. I noticed at the bot request page that you're done with this request. That's great, thanks.

So, where is it? How does one use it? What do it do?Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, Cyber marked it as done but it really isn't =P It's very close, though! I have a very neat tool I'm going to deploy soon. It features an API that I will have the bot use to do a one-time run and find all the files you're after. If it happens to come to the point where I'm suffering from fatigue and abandon the bot task, you will at least have the tool that should expedite your efforts. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 01:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thanks for the update. No rush.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:03, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: Okay! I've got an initial release of the sound search tool up and running! There's still more work to do, but hopefully you'll find this useful as-is. Check it out at toollabs:musikanimal/sound_search. During testing I found numerous composers who have unused files on Wikipedia, for instance, Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach. In the result set, you can reveal info about the file (as specified by the "Information" template on Commons), play the file, and show which pages on Wikipedia use it. Each of those requires a separate API call, which is why we show the information on demand rather than by default show it, otherwise it'd have a significant impact on load time.

Now, I realize this lets you only query for one composer at a time, which may make your efforts to update Wikipedia:Sound/list take longer. But I got to thinking... and correct me if I'm wrong... but the point behind Wikipedia:Sound/list is to list all the free music files of notable composers, right? There seems to be a lot of maintenance involved, as you'll need to keep that list updated, and also the "backlinks" (what links to this file). So, why not use the tool? It's always up-to-date, and let's you play the files right within the interface. The only information missing is "performer", "comment" and "genre". I thought maybe we could add this information to the file pages directly in some uniform way, then the tool can go off of that. This would sort of phase out the Wikipedia:Sound/list concept and the considerable effort it takes to keep it up-to-date. What are your thoughts?

A quick explanation of updates I plan to make soon: Better API handling, as right now if there's server lag the tool may fail. I may convert some queries to go off of the replication database so this won't happen. Also I should be able to speed up the "List only files not currently used on Wikipedia", as we're querying the backlinks for each file individually when we could query for multiple files at once. This may all sound like gobbledygook to you but I thought I'd let you know anyway :)

Let me know what you think of the tool and how I can improve it. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:44, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey, that's very impressive. I think it will be an excellent tool for people who are focusing on a particular composer, which I sometimes do. You might want to add a third button "List only files currently used in articles", just in case people would like to know about that.

The main issue I have is the following. When I use the Sound Lists, all I have to do is focus on the column labelled "What links to This File". I gaze down that column, and if there's no blank space then I just keep on gazing down the column, and I only stop my gaze when I reach blank space, because that means a file is not being used yet in a Wikipedia article. So, I can scan through dozens if not hundreds of composers in less than a minute, if all the respective files at commons are being put to good use in Wikipedia articles. But using the new tool would be difficult for this purpose, because I would have to type in and do a separate search for each composer. This is the main reason why I think the Sound Lists are very useful and worth keeping and updating. Anyway, who wants a juke box that doesn't say what's inside it?  :)Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:12, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

The jukebox analogy is a great one :) I knew in its current state the tool wasn't going to fully offer what you wanted, and I'm content with what I have done, I just wasn't sure your approach and intent behind the sound list. The articles on composers probably don't change too much, or are subject to vandalism, otherwise I'd raise my point that they could changed by others while the sound list is not updated (e.g. the "what links to this file" could be outdated). If I had the time and energy, I could make a real jukebox just as you say, and how cool that would be! My goal here however was just to meet the bot request, which is well over halfway done. I built the API which the bot can now use, so it's just a matter of looping through the list of composers to find files not currently being used. About that... I could cross-reference against the sound lists, but figure just finding files that aren't being used would be sufficient, right? From there you can update the lists accordingly. Anyway I hope the frontend of the tool will still be of use moving forward :) Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 01:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

A really cool thing about the sound list as it stands right now is that the "what links to this file" cannot ever become outdated. For example, if you take a look at Sound/list/A, you'll see that the first item under "What links to this file" is Adolphe Adam, but this will automatically be deleted from the Sound/list/A if someone removes the music file from that article. That's because the nifty code that I used to construct Sound/list/A is similar to the code you see at Wikimedia Commons for an image, where it says "File usage on other wikis" (i.e. that info is changed automatically when the file usage changes).

As for just finding files that aren't being used, I suppose that would be helpful, but it would be even more helpful to get files that aren't being used & that are not already listed in the sound list. That's because there are many files that are listed in the sound list but that are crummy, and so they shouldn't be included in articles....those files may be very poor quality or duplicates or redundant or whatever, and I've been trying to make a note of why they're not included (yet) in Wikipedia articles. I definitely would not want to list one of those files twice (or more) in the sound list.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:23, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: Aha! Very nice, I did not know you could sort of "transclude" a special page like that. Anyway, it took some tweaking, but here's the list of unused files not on the sound lists: User:MusikBot/SoundSearch/List. Let me know if anything looks wrong. Thanks for all of your input, and the fun project. Cheers! — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:35, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Will check it out later today, thanks. Ton of stuff going on first. In the mean time, FYI, the neato transclusion was deemed possible by me, and sought by me, but the expert who made it happen this summer was User:Cryptic.[24] Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:27, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks good, but I wonder why files like these aren't included in your list.Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Ahh, well there was a catch-all on the script so that it didn't quit out on a fatal error, that way I could leave it running unattended. The composers that were skipped were logged somewhere and I can't find it :( In this case it was the double-quotes in the filename File:Op. 1 (vaterlands-bluthen) part01 - "andante maestoso".ogg, which should have been escaped. This is a careless error on my part, so apologies! I've modified the script, with proper logging, and am going to give it another spin :) This time going to write to User:MusikBot/SoundSearch/List2 so we can see what was missed. By the way, at the last minute I discovered the API "links here" endpoint is inaccurate. Turns out the backlinks for files are in a different table, inaccessible via the API. Fortunately we've got the replication database, which is what I went off of. — MusikAnimal ^talk 01:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

No problem. How about these guys?Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Should have ran this by you... for performance reasons the bot only looks in categories that contain any of the words "composition", "audio", "flac", "midi", and "ogg". Maybe I should add "Op."? I could go all out and let the bot go through every category, but we might run into issues... not to mention a significantly longer run time (not the bot gets tired or anything =P). I'm willing to try, but if you can come up with a comprehensive list of words to look for that would be better. — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, the best thing would be if the bot goes through (in this case) Category:Muzio Clementi plus all subcats, subsubcats, et cetera. One never knows what the subcats will be called. If the bot takes a day or two to make the rounds, I wouldn't mind at all. It wouldn't take any more of your time, right? I'm curious how many additional ogg, flac, and midi files the bot would find.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

No problem, let's go for it. This greatly amplifies the task, and we might get categories with over 500 members, so I've opened up a BFRA on Commons at commons:Commons:Bots/Requests/MusikBot. Not expecting any issues with approval, but not sure how long it will take — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Eggcellent, will check it out at Commons tomorrow. Past my bedtime now.  :)Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Assuming that the bot gets approved, I'm thinking of deleting some stuff from the sound list before you run the bot. In particular, I would delete all the files that don't have the composer name listed. Then, those files would come up in your bot list with composer names, and I'd re-add them to the sound list. That seems much more efficient than me going through the sound list right now and adding composer names. Any thoughts about it?Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Hmm well the bot looks for files not currently being used in articles and not on the sound list pages. We could make it check just the latter, and that would address your issue I think. I suppose for your purposes there's no need for it to check if it's used in articles? — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:30, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

The bot's okay the way it is, I think. This is just a matter of me being lazy and looking for the easiest way to find the composer names for a bunch of files that are currently listed without composer names. You don't need to do anything, I just went ahead and took care of it.[25]Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

(←) @Anythingyouwant:  Done! I think =P Took a few hours, and ran into some hiccups, but here she is: User:MusikBot/SoundSearch/List. Turns out there's categories that contain categories that contain the original categories... sending a recursive bot into an endless loop... who knew? Once the machine started to run out of memory I realized what was going on and made a fix. Then things went a lot faster on the second run! Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:11, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks MusikAnimal. During the next few days, I hope to use this info to expand the sound lists, and then the lists will automatically reveal which files are not being used in Wikipedia articles. I'll make sure that the quality files are used. If it turns out that I find anything missing from your list, then, as Arnold says, "I'll be Bach". 👻Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll be here! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:22, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm back! This evening I tackled only composers whose last names begin with "A". I could be mistaken, but it seems that your list somehow missed a bunch that should qualify for the list. If I spotted these omissions correctly, then there are probably lots more. Here's my list of stuff that apparently meet our inclusion criteria:

• Rumores de la Caleta Op 71 by Isaac Albeniz.ogg
• Carl Friedrich Abel (1723- 1787) - Allegro from 27 Pieces for Unaccompanied Viola da Gamba.ogg
• Carl Friedrich Abel (1723- 1787) – Sonata in G-Major, WKO155 for Unaccompanied Viola da Gamba for Unaccompanied Viola da Gamba.ogg
• Charles-Valentin Alkan - Main gauche 1.mid
• Cherubic Hymn by Alexander Alyabyev.ogg
• Le chemin de fer - Alkan.ogg
• Le chemin de fer, slow - Alkan.ogg
• Preludes, Op. 31 Assez lentement, F minor By Charles-Valentin Alkan.ogg
• Preludes, Op. 31 Lentement, C major By Charles-Valentin Alkan.ogg
• Rca-80-0166-a-s052862.ogg
• Sv-Hugo Alfven.ogg
• Tico Tico no Fubá-Orquestra Colbaz-Zequinha de Abreu-1931.ogg
• When the Swallows Homeward Fly by Franz Abt.ogg

Any idea why these would have been omitted? Thanks again.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:52, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I only checked a few, but looks like those are already being used in articles. Did we want to go off of just the sound lists and not usage in articles? I thought we had decided not to. I can make that happen, though, all it takes is commenting out a few lines of code and then hitting go. — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:21, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

If possible, I'd like music files regardless of whether they're being used in articles. As long as they're by composers at list of composers by name, and are not already on the sound list, I'd like to add them to the sound list. (There are lots of files already on the sound list that are being used in articles, and the more the merrier.) Thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: Round 4 (5 maybe?) complete! At User:MusikBot/SoundSearch/List2 — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:26, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Very nice.  :-) There's a bunch of reasons for having a complete list, aside from giving music fans a full menu. For example, having a complete list can give us an idea of what free music is missing so we can go try to find it and upload it. It also let's people quickly listen to many different music files to see which ones need to be filtered to create new files without scratchy sounds. Moreover, it allows editors to easily see which file names are nondescriptive so they can be moved to better file names. Etc. Etc. Wikipedia treats songwriters separately from composers, so maybe we'll eventually make sound lists for songwriters too. Cheers!Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:37, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Just cross-referencing before this gets archived....User talk:MusikBot/SoundSearch/List2Anythingyouwant (talk) 14:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

		The Music Barnstar
		For excellent work in 2015 devising and revising a "bot" to help improve the Wikipedia:Sound/list. The list may not have a spiritual essence now, but it is much better. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: Thank you very much for the barnstar! As I've said this was a fun project, and at the very least you've been a great pleasure to work with. The bot will be on call should you need more Commons data compiled for you :) Cheers! — MusikAnimal ^talk 05:52, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Move help

Hi, MusikAnimal, can you help me to move the article from 2015 Denmark Open Super Series Premier to 2015 Denmark Super Series Premier, match the previous season naming. Thanks in advance.

Also, Jarmur (talk · contribs) back to editing, i don't see he will be better than last time. --Aleenf1 04:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

This editor caused the problems again. So headache. --Aleenf1 07:30, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, i can't deal with this user, Wikipedia is owned by him. --Aleenf1 07:50, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

You also make me feel headache, you always bother my article :p Jarmur (talk)

User:Jarmur

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MusikBot and DYK

MusikAnimal, I noticed that the Current Nominations section hadn't been updated a few minutes ago, and when I went in to do the update, I saw that there was a comment added to the "Current Nominations" section header about it being automatically moved by bot. Only it hadn't been, and there were a bunch of incomprehensible errors in the error file.

I hope I didn't wreck anything by moving the section header down from October 4 to October 5 and by adding a new October 12 header so people can add new DYKs for that date. (I wasn't sure whether you were still testing, or if you'd gone live.) If you need to back something out, or if you'd like us to wait longer before attempting to repair/update the nominations file, please let us know. Thanks for putting the bot together. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed The bot is under trial right now, and there was simple bug that caused this, which I've fixed. No need to worry about messing the bot up, it's programmed to handle this exact sort of thing. It will retry a total of five times before aborting entirely. Should be all set for tomorrow. Thanks! — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:27, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Congrats on finding and fixing the bug so quickly! I'm glad it had already stopped trying for the night when I did the manual update. It's also useful to know that if it hasn't updated after around 20 minutes (but check the bot log to be sure it's retried five times), then it won't try again that day and a manual update is actually appropriate. (I left in the comment about the bot next to the Current Nominations header, on the assumption that it would be trying again at some point.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:52, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-42

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• The database size lists have been updated. These control special page update frequency and which wikis use global abuse filters. [26]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from October 13. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 14. It will be on all Wikipedias from October 15 (calendar).
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16:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	I use many tools and scripts you created, thanks for putting your time and effort to create them. I am awarding this barnstar for all your hard work. Supdiop (T🔹C) 03:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Yay!! It's great to see people are using my work, and are showing me parise for it. What a rewarding community. Thank you! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Uh-Oh

This seemed to mess up the page pretty badly so I reverted it. Not quite sure what caused that. Best, Mww113 (talk) 04:44, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

@Mww113:  Fixed The regex does something like {{AWBUser|(.*)}} and since you had the {{cite}} in your request it saw that }} and grabbed everything in between =P All it needed was a little ? character to tell it to only go to the first instance of }}. Anyway thank you for the report! Reverting was the right thing to do, although the bot would have just put it right back... so good thing I saw your message. Hopefully people will know to turn off the task at User:MusikBot/PermClerk rather than block the bot — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Article count tool not working

Hi, I just tried to access the article count tool at labs and got a 404 error. Any idea what's up or when it might be fixed? Thanks! KDS4444^Talk 00:07, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey KDS4444! I assume you meant xtools? It should be working now. Let me know if you have anymore problems. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:47, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Yup! All is fine now. THANK YOU! KDS4444^Talk 05:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

user:Director

They are an obvious sockpuppet: after MBisanz renamed the user, they continued to use both accounts. 77.105.28.219 (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Open an WP:SPI case — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:57, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually don't go to SPI. They haven't edited under their old account since July, and when they did it was most certainly not intentional. I see no blatant abuse of multiple accounts — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from Uf19154

Hi Musikanimal, I did mean to delete that information since it is no longer accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uf19154 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

@Uf19154: No problem, just please use an edit summary to explain why you removed it. The summary "Removed" is not descriptive enough. Thanks! — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Help

Hello music animal am just a kid in the game do you mind giving me some tips on how to create a topic or how I can join in giving real edition.thanks. From your bro. Aiyeyonmi john lucky (talk) 16:15, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

@Aiyeyonmi john lucky: Take a look at Wikipedia:Introduction to find out what we're all about. Remember this is an encyclopedia, not a place to add social commentary. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Response For Change W/O Edit Summar

Hi! I apologize for not including an edit summary. I was vexed by some thinly veiled vandalism which had already been discussed at length on the edit page. I am going to go ahead and re-remove the vandalism and will include an edit summary to explain what it was that I had done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.112.226 (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

RE: October 2015

I just moved the Superman Returns section as it shares continuity with the Christopher Reeve films. I didn't delete it completely "for no reason". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.203.92 (talk) 17:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Let's continue discussion there — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not see it. I will be more careful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.203.92 (talk) 17:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. I can try to make the message more prominent. Thank you — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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Extend protection

Hi there, could you please consider protecting Dasun Madushan again? It seems like vandals are at it again, right after the protection has expired. Or blocking the IP might help. Apparently the subject is targeted by vandals due to a recent social media controversy. -- Chamith (talk) 18:05, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done That vandal has already proved to be editing form multiple IPs, so I think it's safe to proceed with semi over blocking. Thanks for the report — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:09, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

And the vandal is back again. He is pretty desperate to vandalize Sheshadre Priyasad and Dasun Madushan. -- Chamith (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)