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Okay, then...

I basically just got into a huge argument in a Twitter DM, and I didn't even say much. One of the users was one of the ones who revived the discussion about where The Thundermans' "Thundermans: Secret Revealed" episode should be listed, which was more flexible to work with and ended up being listed in season three, but how to count episodes is not quite as flexible.

Geraldo Perez, IJBall, Nyuszika7H, for your viewing "pleasure" as well here is what I said in my replies:

My Replies

Me: What is planned, which Zap2it reflects, is overridden by what actually happens. The Futon Critic reflects that. Produced and aired episodes are also two different things. It's been explained here: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:List_of_The_Thundermans_episodes#Episode_.22A_Hero_is_Born.22_is_a_single_long_episode … here: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Bella_and_the_Bulldogs#Newbie_QB_is_a_single_episode … and here: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:List_of_Zoey_101_episodes#Episode_numbering It's been an established consensus for years, and other articles not following it means they should be fixed. They're just not usually worked on much once a series has ended. So it has nothing to do with me. As for "Thundermans: Secret Revealed," that was more flexible and a new consensus formed to include it in season three. If you want episodes to be counted by production order rather than airing order, you'd need to start a discussion here to receive feedback: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television Me: Deadline and the Nick Press can be used, but, again, what is planned gets overridden by what actually happens. That is the current consensus and nothing I can change even if I did agree. Other shows doing it wrong don't set precedence over other shows. There was one reply I chose not to post because it was not worth it: 26 produced episodes. That is not the same thing as aired episodes. Doesn't matter how they were produced, at least not by Wikipedia's television project consensus, what matters is the finished product and how it is sold. Thunder in Paradise, for example, is sold as a single 45-minute episode: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0736TPPNN If it were meant to be parted, we'd see it listed as two 20~ minute entries with Part 1 and Part 2 labels. The part labels for some episodes' credits there and in other series are there because they were two produced sections merged for the final presentation. Although hour showings aren't always necessarily a single episode. There can simply be back-to-back showings. In the case of Andi Mack, that is what happened. The first two episodes were indeed two separate episodes, being the producers' intent and being sold as such, but Disney Channel made the first two episodes into their own version of a special. Also, I'm not the only editor who reverts that stuff.

Opinions are certainly welcome... I guess. :x Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:59, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Interesting, a lot of venom there. For the short synopses we have no proof that I have seen that they are free-use as claimed in that discussion. It is still a prohibited COPYVIO without a release statement as copyright is presumed by default on everything and even if there is one it would be plagiarism without attribution. Might be an argument that they are fair-use and given their purpose the networks won't likely complain. Still I am not aware of any exception to WP:COPYVIO that permits their use and a fair-use claim is iffy. As to episode counts we document what happened and if they merge two productions for broadcast, one thing has been broadcast. People really want the production slots to match the counts I guess. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:51, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Yeah... In this particular case, they're really big fans of the The Thundermans and really want it to reach 100 episodes like iCarly did. iCarly did reach 100 aired episodes, though it's not exactly counting aired episodes right. The Thundermans will only reach about 95 aired episodes, for now, as there's always the possibility of a fifth season. Production-wise, there will be over 100 episodes, but that's not what we document. Of course the added gimmick here is that the 100th episode will be titled something referencing 100 and we'll of course have people try to incorrectly change the numbering to make it match. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: It is a thankless job getting between fans and doing things correctly on Wikipedia. That is why there is Wikia. iCarly should probably be renumbered correctly but there is a lot of inbound links that go to the epxx anchors that need to be fixed as part of the process so it is more work to do the changes then just renumbering things. I think IJBall did that task on Victorious. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:08, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Victorious was a much smaller job that "fixing" iCarly would be. (IIRC, Victorious just had a single 1-hour episode counted as "two episodes", with the other two 1-hour episodes being counted correctly.) "Fixing" iCarly could be done, but it would require, 1) a clear Talk page consensus in support of the change, and 2) somebody likely with AWB access to fix all the incoming links. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:15, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Yeah. I mean, I love the series as much as the next person, but I'm not going to go and incorrectly list things, and in this case, I don't agree, obviously. The hour specials were all one episode. @IJBall: I manually fixed a lot of inbound links to Liv and Maddie's episode list when I did my initial clean-up. And hm. Since it's currently incorrect, I don't think we'd need talk page consensus as the television project consensus would already support us in fixing things in that regard. A note to let people know, though, wouldn't be a bad idea. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:21, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Geraldo Perez, IJBall, I'm not surprised: Talk:List of The Thundermans episodes#Redux 2. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, these users certainly don't know many of Wikipedia's policies. For one, they think Amaury "manages" the page, when there are also others involved, and there's WP:OWN, so nobody "manages" pages, not even admins, they don't have authority to simply blatantly override consensus, and nobody is doing that here – as you said, there's long-standing consensus for it. And then there's WP:OSE. And their claim of IMDb thoroughly reviewing things isn't true either – I've seen lots of bogus information, and some Hungarian news site's editors claiming they tried and got bogus info accepted. And even when I added wrong info by mistake, sometimes it got accepted. Also, just because the admins overlook it and accept the official synopsis, it doesn't mean it's allowed there either. They do say it should be your own work and not copyrighted. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:34, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: I may be the most active one at these articles, though most of the time it's just reverting problematic IPs or users, but if I do something wrong, I'm not going to disagree with it, so yeah. They're just really big fans of the series, like I said, because I notice they don't make mention about this "issue" on the other series. Other than Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, they pretty much dislike everything else current on Nickelodeon and in some cases dislike it further, like School of Rock. Some think it's a great concept poorly executed; others just don't like it at all. Me? I like pretty much anything. Between Nickelodeon and Disney Channel, the only series I didn't regularly keep up much with ever since I really got into television a long time ago are The Haunted Hathaways and A.N.T. Farm, but that's not because I dislike the series as I did like them, I just didn't keep up with them for some reason. But yeah, 99% of the time, our conversations are fun even where is regular criticism going on. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:54, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

So, they happened to find this section, and even though nothing private was revealed and it was just general banter, they seem to think it was an invasion of privacy and they also think it's illegal, so I'm going to honor and respect their wishes and remove it. To keep some understanding, though, so the replies made above don't look like they're replying to nothing, the gist of it is that they basically all came at me and got upset because episodes aren't being counted "correctly" even though they are being counted correctly and accused me of "controlling" articles. Then one of them got even more upset when I wasn't replying, saying they wanted to see what I had to say, because I was trying to read everything. Then when I do reply, they didn't agree and one of them basically told me to grow up. Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:34, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I don't know if just providing a link to the out-of-Wikipedia discussion would've been better, rather than posting the entire discussion here. And I'm curious how to immediately archive this discussion. I'm closing it shortly. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

It was a DM—and those can't be linked to, obviously—which was the problem, and what they said is that it wasn't so much that there was anything to hide, but that it caused trust issues. I should have just summarized it to begin with. I sincerely apologize, Michael. As for archiving, I'm not sure. Probably just manually? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:28, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Re: Bunk'd

I'm surprised we're still missing the production code for "The Great Escape." Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:20, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah ... I was surprised, too, that it wasn't listed even in the Copyright Office database. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:22, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

But... since we have everything else, like with Girl Meets World and one of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn's episodes, I don't see an issue adding in the unused production with a hidden note. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done. This, however, cannot be done with K.C. Undercover's "Tightrope of Doom" per discussion on the talk page for its episode list because it already does have a production code, and it's certainly possible that 220 was held back to air during the third season. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Summer Forever (film)

The edits you reverted at Summer Forever (film) were from the Western film vandal. I don't think they use multiple IPs deliberately, they just have a very dynamic ISP. The three-month block on one /24 expired a few days ago, so there's been a surge in activity recently. Thanks for helping us clean up! Certes (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Andi Mack

I don't see what you need to be "baffled" about dude. The edit widened the table and I didn't know how to fix it. Don't know what you did to fix it but thanks. I was not going to leave it looking like a mess the way it did so please understand that. - Jabrona (talk) 18:05, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@Jabrona: The only thing that I could think of here is you might've had an old copy of the page cached. Sometimes purging the cache and reloading an updated version of the page may work. But if you had already done that and the page was still messed up, I'm not sure how to explain that. From what you've told me, my reverting your revert did the trick (and sometimes making small edits to the page may fix this kind of thing). MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

What version would have been messed up, though? All of us in our group, minus Nyuszika, had been watching the page since before the episode table was even added. Once the table was added, though, there was never a time where it appeared messed up. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

We're talking about the info table with the names of the producers, creators, the airdates. Some one added something there and it widened THAT table, not the episode one. But I did use an old page cache whatever to fix the problem. It removed whatever the user added that widened the table, but it fixed it back to where it was, which is why I said whatever that user added can be fixed by some one else because I didn't know how to tweak it so that the info table wasn't widened. - Jabrona (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I know what you were talking about. But what are you even talking about now? You're not making any sense. The edit I made to add the viewership data for June 23 did not mess anything up. Don't accuse others of things without proof to back up the allegations. It was clearly something on your end if no one else noticed or fixed anything. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:05, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

July 7

What ratings do you think we'll see with tonight's premieres? Do you think Andi Mack's season one finale numbers are possible with K.C. Undercover? In its current state, Disney Channel made a bad decision to air Bizaardvark by itself on June 30 as you can see. The 1.49 million it got for June 23 was inflation from Andi Mack, but still. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Sorry I'm late getting to this, but I guess it's still before the numbers come out. I don't think K.C. Undercover's ratings will be anything spectacular, compared to what they were seeing in the late part of season 2. Andi Mack had close to 2 million viewers for its season 1 finale, but I don't think K.C. will match that. As for Bizaardvark, that may get a little boost compared to last week, with K.C. being the lead-in (not sure it could do much worse than, what was it, 830 thousand?). MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

0.83 million, correct. There was also that Descendants 2: It's Going Down behind the scenes special before K.C. Undercover, and the movie is, of course, getting a lot of hype, what with premiering not only on Disney Channel, but four other networks as well. I don't know if it's because of their decline in ratings or what, though. We shall find out how Friday did in a little while! Nickelodeon, which will be posted tomorrow, I'm not worried about, of course. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

There's your answer. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

General ratings discussion: Disney Channel's current ratings dilemma

Remember the Foxtel article you brought up on the Best Friends Whenever talk page? [1] You know it's bad when Disney themselves acknowledges the problem, and it's likely that's why they're not only premiering Descendants 2 on Disney Channel, but also on ABC, Freeform, Disney XD, and Lifetime. In any case, knowing that, I hope they take that into consideration when trying to decide whether to renew their series or not. If they cut ties with K.C. Undercover after season three—currently too early for any announcement as only one episode has aired—Bunk'd after season two—current status on a season three renewal is unclear —Stuck in the Middle after season two—current status on a season three renewal is unknown–and Bizaardvark after season two—currently too early for any announcement as only three episodes have aired. Cancelling any of these would be a bad choice. That would only leave them with two current series: Andi Mack and Raven's Home. That's not enough to run on.

On the article itself: The troubles are twofold: a lack of hits and the broader move by audiences away from traditional television to digital alternatives. The shift to streaming services such Netflix Inc. and web-based platforms like Google's YouTube is particularly pronounced among younger viewers targeted by these Disney networks. ... As consumers "cut the cord," Disney's once fast-growing cable business has slowed down. Cable revenue is flat and operating income down 6% in the first half of the current fiscal year, which has alarmed Wall Street. How can they blame online streaming? Releasing episodes shortly before their premiere has been a thing for a number of years, and there weren't any issues with ratings back then. The better question to ask is why are kids tuning out and allegedly going to online streaming? And if they're going to blame it on online streaming, why don't they do what Nickelodeon does and release the episodes online after they have aired rather than before and see if that improves numbers slightly? Also, if online streaming were the culprit, Nickelodeon would be struggling as well as, even though it doesn't release episodes until after they have aired, people can potentially just say "screw the premiere; I'll watch it online later." On the Disney Channel, some new shows, such as "I Didn't Do It" and "Best Friends Whenever" didn't click with kids, which contributed to the ratings decline. How can they blame those series? Just because they didn't do as well doesn't mean succeeding series are doing bad because of them. And for the record, I disagree with their statement. I Didn't Do It and Best Friend Whenever's first season did quite excellent, except for some episodes here and there in the case of the latter, like the season one finale. The decline in ratings started in November of last year, specifically November 18 is when I noticed it when Girl Meets World and Liv and Maddie, received series lows of 1.21 million and 1.12 million, respectively. It should be noted that that was for their more popular series. The decline in ratings for other series or series in general, like K.C. Undercover and Bizaardvark, seemed to start much earlier, like during summer last year. So what is the reason for the continuing declination? Is it fans of Girl Meets World who are still butthurt and boycotting Disney Channel? Is it silly parents with anti-LGBT agendas boycotting Disney Channel? Is it a combination of both of those? Is it online streaming? Is Nielsen's sample size too small now? Or is it something else? Are kids "tuning out" Disney Channel and only viewing series online because they still like them, but they want to "teach Disney Channel a lesson"? I'm not really sure anymore—and I never was sure, for that matter. We've only been theorizing.

I'll invite the others to this general discussion as well in case they have any feedback they'd like to provide: Geraldo Perez, Nyuszika7H, IJBall. Reading any feedback or theories you or the others may have would certainly be interesting. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Can't say for others but I dropped cable and watch online only now. I generally wait for shows to show up on netflix or hulu then bing watch a season at a time. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Andi Mack#Recurring Characters

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Andi Mack#Recurring Characters. For reference, in the case of Isis, she's only appeared once so far, so she definitely can't be "recurring" by definition. Also inviting Geraldo Perez, IJBall, and Nyuszika7H. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Is this going to be a problem? I'm not liking what I'm seeing so far... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Based on their wording that I'm "controlling" these articles and based on my discussion above—"Okay, then..."—it might be one of the users on Twitter, but I can't say with 100% certainty. It's not the first time we've had "issues" with them. You didn't participate here, but you might remember this discussion on Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:04, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

List of Bunk'd characters

I'm wondering if a note is needed on the talk page regarding Xander offering Griff to live with him and people confusing that as Xander's family adopting him. It hasn't been too big of a problem, but still. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:22, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Probably wouldn't hurt to make that clear on the talk page. As you said in your revert of the IP [2], the adoption part is never mentioned when Xander does make that offer to Griff. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:27, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn: What's The Worst That Quad Happen?

@Nyuszika7H: As Michael here is understandably busy, you want to give this a shot? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:36, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I trimmed it a bit, but it's still pretty long.

Also, I might actually watch this show somewhen, but probably not very soon, because there are others I want to watch. It's so hard to decide what to watch when there are lots of shows, including old shows that I want to re-watch properly from the beginning to the end, and new shows that look interesting. And with some shows it goes smoothly, and with others not so much. For one, because there are many things I've already seen from it and it feels a bit boring, but I can't just skip episodes because despite that I don't know the whole plot by heart and there might be some parts I haven't seen or don't remember. And the other case is just when I like shows but I don't love them. And sometimes this changes and I start watching them more. I can't really apply either of those to Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, because I've only seen a bit of it and haven't started watching it properly. But it does look actually like something I might watch, even if not an absolute favorite. And with shows like Andi Mack, I'll check them out too – some friends like them, others don't – it didn't give a "this show looks amazing" vibe without having seen any actual episodes, but I'll see. Anyway, I'll also put NRDD and Andi Mack on my watchlist, because that's not too much, and there are others I've added that I may or may not end up liking too. ;) nyuszika7h (talk) 09:52, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: When you do, that would be awesome as you can help out with the credits and guest star credits! Thanks! Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: On a semi-related note, this summer doesn't seem to like Nickelodeon. Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:42, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, from some discussions on Twitter, it sounds like Nielsen will be changing their sample size in the fall, making us see more friendly Disney numbers again, like around two million total viewers or more for Disney Channel like they had in early-mid 2016 and earlier. Nickelodeon, which hasn't been doing too well this July so far, but also hasn't really been struggling, generally speaking, like Disney has—you know it's bad when Disney themselves makes mention of the bad ratings—will likely also see an increase. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:31, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

What happened, there?

I won this week on adding credits for K.C. Undercover. Are you losing your touch? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:42, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

One of those times where I need a break. Computer decided to crash right before I was going to watch the show on Watch Disney, and had to check if everything was ok on the computer. Plus, two episodes ... and dinner. Too much for me at the time. MPFitz1968 (talk) 05:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I know that feeling. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:06, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The episodes were good, though! You'll love them when you watch them! Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

I have S02E18 to S03E01 now, gonna catch up on it too. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:27, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Screener

Just wanted to note that from some small discussion off-wiki and some research, it seems we should actually be using Zap2it for the naming when referring to the episode guide. Likewise for TV by the Numbers where they've been used for ratings, and I know I changed those to Zap2it (and later to Screener) during my cleanups. Zap2it is actually the one that does the episode guides and TV by the Numbers is actually the one that does the ratings. Screener just sponsors them. Even after Zap2it moved to Screener, while I know I waited awhile, Zap2it shouldn't have been changed to Screener for the episode guides, and I also note that when going to the episode guides, Screener's logo is no longer shown, but Zap2it's is shown because they reverted the change, apparently.

The best analogy I can think of is to think about it like a parent and child, such as main articles and episode/character lists, only applicable for series with at least two seasons. For example, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn is the parent to List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes. List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes actually lists the episodes while Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn just "hosts" them. So Screener is the parent, but Zap2it and TV by the Numbers are the ones that actually hold and do the guides and ratings. I'm planning on making changes accordingly tomorrow. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Whew! And  Done! Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:30, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party, but maybe we could do |work=Zap2it |publisher=Screener and |work=TV by the Numbers |publisher=Screener. – nyuszika7h (talk) 19:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

This edit at Raven's Home is bringing into question whether this has been discussed thoroughly, or whether this should be brought to another talk page, or even WT:TV. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. Even when the Screener logo was there before they reverted the change, "Screener" would have been incorrect. I shouldn't have changed it in the first place. Also, how hard is it for people to use edit summaries for major-type changes? LOL Amaury (talk | contribs) 15:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Re: Bunk'd

From what I've seen, sites like that and similar are correct—other than saying series like Liv and Maddie were canceled when they in fact just ended, but whether ended or canceled, they still ended—but as you said, they're not reliable and we should wait for something from Deadline, Variety, or Disney Channel itself. See Talk:List of Bunk'd episodes#Bunk'd season 3. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

List of The Lion Guard episodes

I don't know if you or the others watch the article, but I got curious and decided to look at it and discovered that the pilot ratings are "wrong." They should only be Disney Channel's ratings which can be seen here: [3] Archived 2016-04-14 at the Wayback Machine (#5) There was likely a simulcast like there was with Game Shakers and Elena of Avalor—editors wanted to incorrectly add the non-original network ratings there as well—but we should only be reporting the numbers on the original network as mentioned. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:56, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

About "American Idol 15" edit

Your point is absolutely right. I couldn't find another article from a known blogger about the Season 15 controversy after I saved the change today.

However, I did not intend to disruptive edit. My intentions are good.

I hope you are having a nice day, MPFitz1968.

Peace.

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Raven's Home

Is this another series you plan on writing summaries for? Just curious. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I won't rule it out, but probably not. I am thinking ahead toward the end of the year - I'm still planning to cut the cord in December due to the high expense of my Comcast service, which will get even more expensive at that time - limiting myself to Internet only on Comcast to see if I can get that price down. Will still keep Amazon Prime and Netflix. While I'll miss Disney Channel, I'll still try to keep up with Stuck in the Middle and Andi Mack by buying episodes thru Amazon. (I actually bought the entire first season, two volumes at Amazon, of SITM already!) Not inclined to do the same with Raven's Home or the other Disney series, though my mind could change later. Hopefully, RH, Andi Mack and Bizaardvark might see Netflix down the road, but I'm not very hopeful of that. (The most recent Disney Channel series available on Netflix right now, based on its premiere date, is Bunk'd; none of their series or DCOMs premiering since the start of 2016 is available.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Sabrina the Teenage Witch (TV series)

Hey, MP, would you happen to know if Sabrina the Teenage Witch is available via one of the streaming sites like Netflix or Amazon?... The reason I asked is I was just looking at the article, and I know for a fact that the cast is not listed in the proper cast order as per WP:TVCAST, so I was hoping one of us could take a look at the front-credits throughout the various seasons so we can put the cast of this show in their proper order... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:44, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

As I remember, the entire series is free to stream for me as an Amazon Prime subscriber (though I've watched only the first three or so episodes, so far). MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Great! I don't have Amazon Prime (and am likely not to for a while), so I'll leave this one to you, if you don't mind... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:54, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: OK, I was able to verify from the show's first episode that the first seven names under "starring" in the infobox are in the correct order, though I also noticed Nick Bakay's name as the eighth in the opening credits, but it is listed under "voices of" in the infobox. That might be correct since he's the voice of Salem the Cat and I'm not thinking he ever appears in his person during the series. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm more concerned about the cast table and cast list in the 'Cast' section – that all looks to be in the wrong order (e.g. Salem listed second, etc.)... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:05, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Removed the table and moved Nick Bakay to eighth (after Paul Feig) in the list. A bit too much in that "Cast and Characters" section concerning the cast/characters; if there's a LoC article, full descriptions would usually be there, and there wouldn't be a need to have more than just a simple list in the parent article, right? MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, if there's a LoC article, fuller descriptions can go there. The cast table could also be put at the LoC article. If one doesn't exist for this show, it might be worth considering creating one... OK, there is one, so the character descriptions at the parent article should be significantly shortened (and possibly "merged" to the LoC article) and/or eliminated all together... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

BTW, we should still check the cast order for post-season 1 – for example, wasn't Martin Mull credited last in season #2? Etc. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of Backstage episodes#Series overview dates

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Backstage episodes#Series overview dates. Geraldo Perez. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Interesting question

Do you think the Girl Meets World finale and possibly the new episodes of Liv and Maddie and Bizaardvark could have scored higher if they had held them back a week so as to not air during the inauguration?

For reference: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-friday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-20-2017.html Archived 2017-01-23 at the Wayback Machine

• Liv and Maddie (5:30 PM): 0.27/1.23 million
• Girl Meets World (6:00 PM): 0.47/1.64 million
• Bizaardvark (6:30 PM): 0.26/1.16 million

To clarify, they didn't air at the same time, but they did air on the same day as the inauguration. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:06, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

On the subject of ratings, Friday's three premieres on Disney Channel were impressive! Whoo! (IJBall). Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:00, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Billboard Hot 100

What No Chart for August 12 get your lazy butts in gear. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:2577:46E8:3FB1:6C8B (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

It's out of our hands. Billboard hasn't been reporting anything about the latest chart, and I am certainly waiting on them regarding that. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:42, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Looks Like No BillBoard Hot 100 Today. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:2577:46E8:3FB1:6C8B (talk) 23:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

@2600:8803:7A00:976A:2577:46E8:3FB1:6C8B: Pretty unusual, but I'll get more suspicious if the charts aren't updated on their website tomorrow. There was just no article or YouTube video previewing the top 10 today. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:29, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Why Because Maybe they Had a Vacation or something. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:2577:46E8:3FB1:6C8B (talk) 00:17, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

• Technical problem is delaying the release of the August 12 Billboard charts. See [4]. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Looks like A Vacation For The Billboard Charts until later this Week. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:6010:40F7:DC38:A01E (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Re: HOoOH

Someone worth keeping an eye on as they're just creating a big mess. Administrator C. Fred has already reverted a page move they did without discussion, and I've just reverted them on some DCOM articles. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:52, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy ping for C.Fred. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:54, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

List of The Thundermans episodes

Unlike with the summaries at List of School of Rock episodes that I mentioned here on your talk page, where nothing jumped out to me, I am noticing some grammar/flow issues with the latest IP's edit at The Thundermans' episode list that could use some copy-editing. Do you want to take a shot at it since I personally feel you're better than me with wording and the like or should I? Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Big Time Rush (band)‎

You still up? Could use some help there. A disruptive IP Geraldo, IJBall, and I have been dealing with. They went dormant for a while, but have now returned with the same disruption of adding awards that have nothing to do the band—bogus awards, basically. I've reported them to WP:AIV, but it's pretty backed up. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Re: The Thundermans/List of The Thundermans episodes

I see you've encountered one of our disruptive editors. See this discussion on IJBall's talk page, one you might have already seen. It's not their first rodeo. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Happy birthday! Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:10, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Amaury. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Music Box talk

I'm sorry for the removal of the content on Mariah's Music Box talk. I erased some content of this page accidentaly, because I thought that it was auto-archived like many others. But this didn't happened.--88marcus (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

K.C. Undercover

This hasn't been a huge problem yet, but probably should keep more of an eye on it, regardless. Additionally, even if the third season is Zendaya's last season, it doesn't automatically mean K.C. Undercover is over. T'Keyah Crystal Keymáh left the main cast after That's So Raven's third season and that series got renewed for a fourth season. I realize that Zendaya is one of the more prominent cast members, if I'm using the term correctly, but it doesn't make a fourth season 100% impossible even if she does end up leaving both K.C. Undercover and Disney Channel. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-related: And here I thought I was going to beat you tonight. :P Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Also, semi-related, Raven's Home and K.C. Undercover did okay and increase from the 11th. Bizaardvark was meh and did drop, but only by 0.01 million. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

I think the unfortunate weather events going on right now in Texas played at least a small role in Disney Channel's low numbers on Friday. And Bizaardvark is holding fairly steady. Not in a good range, but still steady. I mean, look at that! It's kind of funny! Nothing has fallen below one million total viewers for a while now with the primetime premieres, at least. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:16, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Bunk'd

One thing I just noticed is that the characters image isn't being properly displayed under the Main sub-section even though that's where it's placed. Any ideas why this is? Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Weird. But I have no idea. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hm. Geraldo Perez, IJBall, any ideas? What's causing it to display there instead of above the main characters? Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

It's being "pushed" down by the infobox. AFAIK, there's no way to get around this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:53, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Zoey 101

Can you confirm this? I don't trust a word from this disruptive editor who's still violating WP:ACCESS. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

I have already bought the first three seasons from Amazon, but have yet to buy the fourth. (May do so soon.) But I happened to run across the opening credits clip for season 4 on YouTube [5], which happened to have Austin Butler in the credits, which if I remember right, didn't happen until at least a couple of episodes into that season. But in the clip, Paul Butcher was definitely listed after Jamie Lynn Spears, so Mecj2 was correct with that edit. When I get that fourth season on Amazon, I'll verify again, but I'm at least 99% sure. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:57, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! And sounds good. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Bought season four on Amazon. Yep, Paul Butcher is in the opening credits as I said, thru at least the fourth episode (where Austin Butler is credited for the first time). So, Butcher is definitely a main cast member in the season, though he is absent in all of the first four episodes, aside from a small recap segment in "Trading Places". I did find it weird that "Trading Places" is shown as the second episode of season four in Amazon's listing, though (that's supposed to be the continuation of "Goodbye Zoey" from season three). MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Jessie

Are you able to confirm these edits? Although some changes are needed regardless, such as pluralization. Thank you! Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Definitely a project for me to undertake, regarding those credits, while Jessie is still on Netflix (or if I happen to catch episodes on Watch Disney or Disney Channel). MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:34, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Ah, yay! Are you also planning on verifying whether the writing and director credits (eg, if there are story and teleplay) and absences (or lack of) are correct? Also, just out of curiosity, are there any other shows, particularly former ones, that you have interest in going through and correcting? Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:43, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: As of now, I have been checking writing and directing credits in particular for Lizzie McGuire, That's So Raven and Zoey 101, as well as watching the episodes themselves from beginning to end. Can't say how consistent I'll be with guest starring credits or absences (the latter does involve watching at least most of the episode to find out); it depends whether it's laid out that way in the LoE articles. With Austin & Ally, I remember part of the article having guest starring credits, but the earlier seasons did not and I wanted it more consistent there. There is also that "cutting the cord" thing I'm doing later in the year which will affect my accessing the shows unless I decide to buy episodes/seasons at Amazon, or I can stream via Amazon Prime or Netflix. (Yeah, I do know there's Hulu and other outlets that I see on Amazon, but I have no plans on pursuing those right now.)

Speaking of which, I did notice that iCarly and Victorious aren't available to stream anymore via Prime, as of today, so I'd have to buy the episodes from either now. Drats! Only the first two or three seasons were actually available this way, but I had plans to buy seasons from Victorious at least, so I might have that as part of the project. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I have Jessie, iCarly, and Victorious downloaded, so I can also do those at some point. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:57, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Henry Danger's upcoming fourth season

This is from Jace's official Twitter. He can't speak for the show obviously, but just a heads up. Pinging Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968 IJBall, and Nyuszika7H as well. It's a possibility Nickelodeon will be putting some of the remaining season three episodes into season four, including the upcoming one per Jace's tweet. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:22, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Wow! I've never done that before. Replace MPFitz1968 with IJBall. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:24, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Nice! I haven't started this show yet, but it looks good from what I've seen, so I'm glad it's getting yet another season. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:56, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

@Nyuszika7H: It was renewed back on November 16 last year along with Game Shakers. You gotta keep up, man. :P Amaury (talk | contribs) 13:59, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Mech-X4

Just a friendly note that I've split this: List of Mech-X4 episodes and added it accordingly here. (Geraldo Perez, IJBall, Nyuszika7H.) Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:05, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, Zap2it seems to be conflicting with both The Futon Critic and itself. The general Disney XD schedule on Zap2it shows what The Futon Critic has; however, the specific episode guide for season two on Zap2it has September 9 for the first episode, but then September 16 for episodes 2–3 and September 23 for episodes 4–5. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

List of Liv and Maddie episodes

If you can, could you double-check this guest star addition to "Repeat-a-Rooney" from the second season real quick? Nyuszika7H has already gone through this article and corrected/added guest stars, so I don't think it's correct. They are a guest star in the third season's "Grandma-a-Rooney," but I have a feeling that in "Repeat-a-Rooney," they are just a co-star. Thanks. Amaury (talk | contribs) 12:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Corrected the guest star list [6]; was a co-star billing in that episode. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:28, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Jasonnguyen2606

I may need some eyes on this user again depending on whether they try to reinstate their edits or give up. Previously brought up on IJBall's talk page here, this user has a history of disruptive behavior with regard to adding irrelevant information to the distributor field. Per Geraldo Perez, who's the expert on the subject, on that discussion, the network itself is the distributor and doesn't need to be listed as that field is mainly for home media among some other things. For Nickelodeon, it's Paramount Television and Viacom Media Networks, and for Disney Channel and Disney XD, it's Disney–ABC Domestic Television. I'm not willing to revert those additions or similar everywhere and go through all the hassle, but for the articles we're watching, we can keep an eye on those. I'll ping Nyuszika7H as well, though I know he's busy. Amaury (talk | contribs) 08:11, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: As far as I can determine, the current incarnation of Paramount Television is not a distribution company, it is just a production company, so listing it as a distributor for current stuff is wrong. IMDb generally gets the company credits right for current shows and is a reasonable convenience check even though it can't be used as a reference. Mostly people fill in the distribution credits based on assumptions of how they think a network does stuff, not sourced info. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:33, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Game Shakers - Game Shippers

I've done a summary for the first time since that Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episode "What's the Worst That Quad Happen?" When you get a chance, would you proofread it and make any copy-edits if necessary? Thank you very much! Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I've made some copy-edits (there were some obvious typos and grammar problems in at least one sentence), but given the time of night right now, I didn't go thru the whole thing. The summary does look a bit long, but I'll have to look at condensing the summary at a later time. MPFitz1968 (talk) 09:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey, really sorry to bother you, but you were planning on looking over this again? I know you mentioned you did it in the middle of night, which you didn't have to do, so you only did part of it. You could have waited, you silly goose. :P Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:40, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I nearly forgot about this summary. Reading over it again, the first part seems fine, but from the point it starts talking about Nathan Kress is where it looks to be a bit long detailwise. How to shorten this part is the big question - what to trim and what to keep. If I'm reading that portion right, it centers on the Game Shakers gang discovering they can contact Kress to answer the burning question of who his iCarly character (Freddie) was in love with, but running into problems. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

That is correct. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:02, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

If you're still able to sign in, you can see the episode here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Managed to watch the episode (thanks for the link), and I made more copy-edits to the summary, trimming it by more than 70 words [7].

Second set of eyes on List of Bella and the Bulldogs episodes

Could you check this? I'm getting a WP:COPYVIO feeling. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:10, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I won't say that it isn't, in comparing to what is said in one of the sources that are cited for the episodes, like Zap2it. I only checked a few of the episode summaries, and the content I saw isn't exactly what's shown in Zap2it, and may be paraphrased ok. Having said that, however, doesn't necessarily mean that it hasn't been copied from somewhere else. The summaries are fairly short and that rarely presents an original account of what happens in an episode, which is why longer summaries are usually needed. MPFitz1968 (talk) 01:57, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. Probably couldn't hurt to get some more feedback, then. Geraldo Perez, IJBall, thoughts? (See the page history as more edits were made after I posted my original message here.) Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

K.C. Undercover

It doesn't sound like even Zendaya is sure if that's actually what she said as other series have gone to, gone close to, or gone past 100 production episodes, or generally just past 80 episodes. For example, Wizards of Waverly Place. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:31, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Why do people keep erasing what I add?

Why do people keep erasing what I add? It's so frustrating! I haven't figured out how to add the New Elena of Avalor dvds. I haven't gotten any help.

The only thing people haven't erased was the typos I fixed. Mistress Luna (talk) 21:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Mistress Luna: Regarding your edit I reverted [8], this is content that (1) appeared out of place (my take is that you were saying it's Elena's singing voice) and (2) needed to be connected to a reliable, secondary source. I don't know if that is mentioned in the show's credits itself, but even if this is sourced, this might be more appropriate to mention in a section about the show's soundtrack or music, as opposed to the character descriptions. MPFitz1968 (talk) 22:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Disney ABC Press

When you have some time, would you want to go through all the Disney shows in my sandbox and check and see if the Disney ABC Press links are still working and supporting the right content, such as production codes? I'm seeing some "page no longer exists" for some of the shows, like Lab Rats, particularly the ones that have ended since those aren't watched/edited as much anymore, though I still plan on cleaning them up at some point. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Bunk'd

Not unsourced, outright incorrect. I guess they didn't see it was renewed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:16, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: Guess I forgot about that (had to check the production section again), though I knew there was no cancellation notice. MPFitz1968 (talk) 20:20, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Reply on Talk Page

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Mentions and other alerts don't seem to be working. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:08, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:06, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

List of Elena of Avalor episodes

I'm going to need some help and temporary extra attention. Editor who refuses to follow BRD. (Also messing with the series overview for unknown reasons, but that's not really important compared to their edit-warring.) Geraldo Perez, IJBall. Thanks. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:The Thundermans/Archive 1#"Premise" to "Plot"

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:The Thundermans/Archive 1#"Premise" to "Plot". Geraldo Perez, IJBall, Nyuszika7H Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:05, 20 October 2017 (UTC)