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Virginia earthquake
Nice edit; thanks. PRRfan (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Loganberry
Hi, I noticed your cleanup of the Loganberry page, which was much needed. I have a quibble though, that you have put the diploid parent first. In a case like this where the male parent was unknown until much later, I would advocate putting the female parent first. In fact, this is so often done that there is a fairly common (though admittedly not very helpful) convention that A×B is taken to mean that A was the mother plant. Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 16:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC) Response below:
Sequencing names of parents of hybrids
Nadiatalent, thanks for the comment you send 20 December 2011 on sequencing the names of parental (or presumed parental) species of plant hybrids:
- ... I have a quibble though, that you have put the diploid parent first. In a case like this where the male parent was unknown until much later, I would advocate putting the female parent first. In fact, this is so often done that there is a fairly common (though admittedly not very helpful) convention that A×B is taken to mean that A was the mother plant. ...
In my experience in systematic botany, but not particularly horticulture, there is no one predominantly used standard here; instead, at least three contrasting patterns are widely used:
- 1) Alphabetic by the scientific names accepted in the particular work.
- 2) Female-first, possible only when the actual sequence of events is known, as is often the case in agriculture and horticulture, but rarely known for naturally occurring hybrids or for hybrids appearing spontaneously in ag/hort plantings.
- 3) By ploidy level, with lowest level first, when known/presumed parental species have different ploidy levels that are specified along with the formula, and ploidy is otherwise being discussed.
Of these, any can be used in a single-hybrid discussion to the extent the necessary facts are known (as in the loganberry case), but only the alphabetic approach is feasible for floras or other larger works treating many hybrids.
Since the the loganberry is horticultural, and at least in North America apparently not recorded as a wild-growing escape from cultivation, I'd have no objection to using the female-first sequence here, so long as the reason for the sequence is specified along with the formula, and have revised the article accordingly.--LarryMorseDCOhio (talk) 06:58, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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Re:Sequencing names of parents of hybrids Hi, thanks for your response. I'm glad that we are agreed about how to list the Loganberry parentage. I've never come across the convention that you mention of putting the diploid parent first, but it also sounds reasonable when both parents are known. In case you are looking at the ICBN online that deals with this, and in case it appears with the same problem that I'm seeing, I wanted you to know that I've just sent feedback to the editorial committee for the code of nomenclature; they are probably working right now towards making the online version of the upcoming code an official version. The female and male symbols appear as C and X respectively on my screen, so it says "H.2A.1. It is usually preferable to place the names or epithets in a formula in alphabetical order. The direction of a cross may be indicated by including the sexual symbols (C: female;X: male) in the formula, or by placing the female parent first. If a non-alphabetical sequence is used, its basis should be clearly indicated." Best wishes, Nadiatalent (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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I'm sad to report that Larry Morse is no longer with us. He died at home in January 2012. NatureServe (where Larry had worked) has posted a facebook page for memories. They expect to hold an event in Arlington, Virginia to remember Larry in late October. http://www.natureserve.org/aboutUs/larry_morse.jsp.
I met Larry at the Botanical Society of Washington and we went on about 15 field trips together over what turned out to be his last year. He had such a curiosity and interest in the plant world and various other things including those he wrote about on Wikipedia. He knew how to have fun and really enjoyed connecting with people. Unfortunately, I never met any of Larry's Wikipedia friends. I'm sure Larry would have loved going to the Wikimania 2012. I believe he really enjoyed and valued the Wikipedia community and the chance to enhance understanding for many people. BarbGoodmanBarbG703 (talk) 13:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)