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DYK at 50

		The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Congratulations on reaching the 50 DYK mark. Keep up the full-court press and good work! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Nice, thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 23:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

1947 Cotton–Tobacco Bowl

Saw that you removed the 1947 Cotton–Tobacco Bowl from the Richmond football template. I honestly don't know the details on that game and I concur that it's not included in the CFBDW, but the NCAA does mention it in its list of "unsanctioned or other bowl games"...I don't know how much weight that carries though. WildCowboy (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

If you add it back in I'm not going to care enough to protest it, but IMO, since it's unsanctioned and unofficial, it probably shouldn't be in there. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I see no reason to add it back...UR doesn't even mention the game in its own list of all-time results. Just wanted to point out that there was at least some semi-official mention of the game actually taking place in case there was some standard being used for such templates. WildCowboy (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

College Football Barnstar

		The College football Barnstar
		I hereby award you, Jrcla2, the College Football Barnstar for meritorious service to the WikiProject College Football, above and beyond the call of duty (and to the detriment of your day job), for your diligent work in the enhancement of navboxes and the deletion of redundant succession boxes from the articles of Division I FCS and lower division coaches. Congratulations, Jrcla2, and carry on. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

It's ironic that I got a college football-themed barnstar before a college basketball one, but thank you. Updating navboxes has been a nice change of pace from usual cbball editing. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I take that back...I forgot that I had gotten a couple wp:cbb barnstars. Still appreciate yours nonetheless. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

African American category

As a reg at WP:WPCBB, I was hoping you might wish to comment on the issue that I raised here and here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:57, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

College steals and blocks career leaders

Are you aware that we do have accurate numbers in steals and blocks for many of the players who played before 1985-86, they just are not officially recognized? For instance, David Robinson had 516 blocks in 127 games. Hakeem Olajuwon blocked 454 shots in 100 games. Patrick Ewing had 493 blocks in 143 games. What do you think about incorporating players such as these into the list? Or perhaps we could make a separate "unofficial" list below the official one?Hoops gza (talk) 04:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Ralph Sampson had 462 blocks in 132 games. I think I'd like to make an unofficial list below the official one.Hoops gza (talk) 04:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

No, do not make unofficial lists. Each respective article already mentions that official record-keeping began at whatever year the lists began. For the NCAA scoring leaders, the reason some unofficial leaders are included is because they are included in the official NCAA record book as "unofficial" with an explanation. Please don't go unnecessarily elongating already perfectly suitable lists. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

And yes, I was/am fully aware that accurate numbers do exist prior to the years listed in the NCAA steals and blocks articles. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Jrcla2,

Do not remove links that contribute to an article. On a list in which a summary of each linked item would cause the article in question to digress from its subject, links should be used for the aforementioned items. You are committing vandalism by removing information that has no proof of being unecessary, and you are doing so without warning or clarification. Personal opinion is not an acceptable reason to remove information from Wikipedia. Veldin963 (talk) 03:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Reviewer boxes

In the midst of this senseless hostility, I will take a moment to thank you for informing me about the "reviewer" boxes I had on my profile. I was unaware of the verification process needed to truthfully display them, and have promptly removed them as a response. Veldin963 (talk) 06:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Jrcla2,

You are absolutely correct that I am not a Wikipedia veteran, and I understand your anger considering your emotional response, but do not let your emotions get in the way of logic. Forgetting Wikipedia, in the real world I am a computer graphic designer, and no, 400px is not too much for even the oldest of online-capable PCs to handle viewing. Especially at 72 dpi. If it exceeds the size of the infobox (and 400px does not exceed it), aesthetic problems may arise, but it will not cause technical issues. I took that photo myself (at a low resolution for the thumbnail's sake), and lowered the pixel-per-inch resolution to 72 dpi, which is the standard screen resolution for consumer computer monitors (research it if you did not know this or don't believe me). And yes, my account has under 1,000 edits, and that is because I have not used this account more than a few times until very recently (instead making edits without signing in), but I guarantee you I know what I'm doing. The image was created, resized, and uploaded myself for online viewing on a standard computer monitor. If you are emotional about an edit, do not make unnecessary changes to it. Edits should be fact-based, not opinion-based, and that includes links, which should be included for their factual value, not removed to reflect the assumed opinion of a general population, which is what you are implying. I am trying to be as courteous as I can, and I am informing you that you are making unecessary changes to the image. I, personally, have never seen a thumbnail as small as you've made mine, but I will not tamper with others' work based on my opinions. You even said yourself on this page (a few paragraphs below, I believe), "I tend to react hastily and with emotion, not forethought." And as I cannot force you to pay any attention to my input, I will give it to you nonetheless, because emotional edits do not contribute to the community, but rather cause meaningless debates such as this. Now, I am going to return the image to 400px (I do not know if you changed it again?), and although I cannot stop you from reverting that change, I will encourage you to at least research computer monitor resolution standards, because I am certainly in the right in that respect, no matter what happens to the links or other edits on that page. Veldin963 (talk) 05:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Marcus Mann (basketball)

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Beau Baldwin

Saw your edits to remove the Ls in the record table on Beau Baldwin. You have a point about redundancy, assuming one clearly understands the playoff format, but if the Ls are removed, the Ws should probably be as well and a distinction made between the champ and the finals loser. This seems to be how college basketball tables tend to be done, a la Mike Krzyzewski, although the college basketball project seems to behind college football in terms of the standardization of template-based elements. Whatever the case, I've been doing tons of FCS, DII, DIII, and NAIA tables like I did Beau Baldwin's, before which there was no standard whatsoever. Of course these templates were designed with bowls in mind, so perhaps that's the cause of some of the awkwardness here in reporting playoff results. Perhaps, we need to open this up to consensus and agree on a scheme? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Ultimately I say just leave Ls and Ws in there for playoff formats. I don't particularly care too much about this issue so whatever seems to be standard I'll go with. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Cool. I think there far weightier systemic issues out there than this one, but I'd be happy to visit the playoff stuff at some point in the future. Keep up the good work with the nav box upgrades. Also, I started a discussion about head coach categories at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football that you might want to check out. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:BrettThomasRoberts/Brett Roberts

Hello Jrcla2. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:BrettThomasRoberts/Brett Roberts, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Users are given more leeway in their userspace. This appears to be a mock autobiography of the editor. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for tagging it incorrectly. However, it strikes me as something that should be speedily deleted regardless, because the user in question only made an account to create a hoax article about himself in real WP space. He hasn't made any edits since and was warned about his nonsense. Can't we just get rid of it? Jrcla2 (talk) 21:45, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't looked at the editor's "contributions". It looks like he'll get bored or blocked pretty soon.

In the meantime, I deleted the subpage. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DragoLink08

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DYK rules

I am still a novice at this. I went to the history page for Miami Project to Cure Paralysis and saw growth from 1,463 bytes to 7,625 bytes. (5*1,453=7,315) Are you using a different measure? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 01:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm new at it, too, and I've left a message at your article's DYK nom. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:18, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm posting at the DYK nom that I fixed it. Racepacket (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion matters

Please express your opinion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 19#College football head coaches. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rashad Jones-Jennings

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Format

Hey, I noticed you added some code that looks like this:

I was wondering, what is its purpose? Does it make a space between sections by default?

Also, any time that you might ever find out something about that Paul Arizin game, please let me know.Hoops gza (talk) 15:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I've also added mention of Arizin's supposed game to his article, with the same references as the other page. I think it deserves mention.Hoops gza (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK Gulet Mohamed

Thank you for approving my DYK item which had the hook, " that Gulet Mohamed, a U.S. citizen who was detained in Kuwait, was block from flying home by the U.S. "no-fly list" until a federal court ordered that he be allowed to return home?" I have now done more research and discovered that the Judge literally did not "order" this. Would it be possible to rephrase the hook: "that Gulet Mohamed, a U.S. citizen who was detained in Kuwait, was block from flying home by the U.S. "no-fly list" until a federal court intervened to allow him to return home?" I will take whatever steps that you think are appropriate to change it. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_January_22 Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I've tweaked the hook in light of your request. It's still good to go. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Obie Trotter

Thank you for your article Victuallers (talk) 00:04, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bob McCurdy

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kevin Houston

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mike Kemp

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DYK for Alvin Young

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Doty

I saw the Doty article in CSD, but decided I shouldn't get involved. I had planned to start an article on her some time ago. I even enlisted someone, not a regular at Wikipedia, and we were going to work together on it. My hope was that he would then become an editor. However, someone else started a perfectly dreadful article, and then abandoned it. I should have just begun editing that one, but I didn't. I was half hoping it would get deleted, and I could start form a clean slate. Probably not the right attitude, but I had enough other things to work on. I'm not sure why it bothers me so much, but I really get annoyed when someone throws up a two sentence stub, then leaves it for others to improve. In some sense, that is the WP way, but I don't believe in starting articles unless they can meet certain minimum standards. That one didn't. --SPhilbrickT 03:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I feel you entirely on the two-sentence stub thing. I'm like, come on man, you just want to be that a**hole who can claim they "created" an important article when in reality you didn't do sh*t but throw in the first sentence of its creation. Just within the past two weeks a University of Texas Pan American student or alum created Marshall Rogers (basketball), a three-sentence P.O.S. stub of a player who led Division I in scoring one season and then was an NBA Draft pick. I had been on a tear creating the NCAA Division I scoring leaders articles and was imminently getting to that one, but then he wanted to "beat me to the punch" so that he could add the link to the UT–Pan American school article. It's stuff like that that really pisses me off. Same goes for Harry Kelly (basketball). Some a-hole just wanted to be the one who started it, despite the absolutely ridiculous college career that Kelly had (sense any bitterness?). People love being the ones to "break the news" on Wikipedia, so to speak, and then completely abandon the effort. Part of me now hopes that Doty's article gets deleted so that you'll have the motivation to create a new, much-improved one. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Heh heh. I felt a little guilty about my admission, because many think it is the right way to go. I think it probably was fine years ago, but the time has passed. Sounds like you feel even more strongly than I do about it.--SPhilbrickT 14:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I just word vomited my thoughts on the subject and went off on a little rant because I finally found someone who I knew for a fact felt that way too. I just needed to vent a little haha, it's all good now. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Boo Ellis

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 06:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Stefanhajek/I Am (2010 film)

Hi. I think the proper approach to this userspace draft that has "gone cold" is to nominate it at WP:MfD. That's what I've seen done with other stale userspace drafts. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Response to your edit

What is a sockpuppet investigation? If it involves editing, I would be more than glad to help. I am new to Wikipedia, so a quick response would be helpful. Thank you! KevinIrwin (talk) 01:26, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

What it means is that you're going to be blocked, permanently, very shortly. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Haha well I'm glad I've found someone on this site with a similar sense of humor as me :) Anyway, is there anywhere where I might be able to find links to editing tools/tips on Wikipedia? I've only been able to come across certain information (like how to add boxes to my profile) by looking at others' profiles. Thanks :) KevinIrwin (talk) 01:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I ask you this because you appear to have a lot of editing experience on this site, and if you don't mind helping me that would be great :) KevinIrwin (talk) 01:41, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Note to self – User:KevinIrwin was blocked for sockpuppetry. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Costa Grande of Guerrero

There isnt one citation for the whole hook for Costa Grande of Guerrero at DYK. The sentence you refer to is in the lead, which does not have to be cited because it is a summary of cited information below. Im afraid that means checking out the parts (heavily dependent on agriculture), (tourism developed spottily) and (Zihua and Ixtapa only ones with developed infrastructure). I can propose a hook easier to check, but it would be trivia.Thelmadatter (talk) 22:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Veldin963

Thanks for the notice about this. One word of advice, if you don't mind: if it escalates, takes it to WP:AN3RR rather than to AN/I. Be sure to reference the AN/I thread if you do. In the meantime, I'll watchlist the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I've posted a warning on their talk page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I just see where he's been blocked for two weeks also. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

College coach navboxes

Jrcla, I've upgraded all of the SEC and Big XII coach navboxes, and I'm nearly done with the Big Ten programs. I've also upgraded six randoms (Army, Clemson, Marshall, Miami U, Temple, Texas Pan Am), and I have four more randoms on my to-do list (Citadel, Navy, Presbyterian, Wyoming); the randoms are those that overlap with the Gators' coaching succession. After those, I have probably one more conference left in me. Let me know where you need help most . . . Big East, MAC, MWC, WAC, etc. Looks like the ACC and Pac-10 coach navboxes are already done. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Wow great work. You might want to drop a line at User talk:Rikster2 to see if he's done those conferences and to keep him adrift of the progress. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:35, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ralph Crosthwaite

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DYK for Chris Marcus

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tom Churchill (athlete)

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DYK for Jerome Lambert

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ralph Crosthwaite

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

List of basketball players who have scored 100 points in a single game

Regarding Wilt's 113 points game, see the Harvey Pollack NBA Statistical Yearbook available for download here.—Chris!_c/t 23:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Clyde Mayes

Thank you for your new article Victuallers (talk) 12:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Major/Minor edits

Hi. You asked if I blanked your comment on my talk page about minor and major edits. I did. No offence intended. I found the information helpful, as I did not always use the minor edit box correctly. Regards.

CBB CfD

Greetings, Jrcla. Just got your note. I have not previously weighed in on this CfD because, well, frankly, I'm a little bit ambivalent. There's something to be said for uniformity (i.e. all men's basketball program navboxes are labeled "men's basketball"), but I'm trying to follow your point . . . for these CBB programs that will only be labeled "basketball," is it because (a) there is no women's program at the same college, or (b) the women's program is called something different (e.g. "Baylor Lady Bears basketball," or some such thing)? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll go back and clarify in the CfD. Essentially, you're exactly right. Baylor Bears basketball players versus Baylor Lady Bears basketball players, or Old Dominion Monarchs basketball players versus Old Dominion Lady Monarchs basketball players etc. When there is a distinct difference in nomenclature, the gender-identifier becomes redundant and unnecessary. WP:CBBALL has set this standard for its WikiProject. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean that the Howard women's basketball team becomes the Howard Lady Buffaloes?? Ouch. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:48, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Howard Lady Bison to be specific. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I suppose that's better than being the Arkansas Lady Hogs. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Can't argue with that one. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Colonel Ebirt

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DYK for Jerry Nemer

rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC) 00:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tom Churchill (athlete)

Orlady (talk) 00:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Idea for NCAA career scoring leaders page

Jrcla2- I had an idea for some useful information to add to the List of NCAA Division I men's basketball career scoring leaders article. I think it would be useful to add entries for the all-time leading scorers in each Division I conference below the overall leaders. This is information that I think fans are curious about. I would envision a table like the main table that shows conference, conference founding (and, if applicable, disbanding) dates, the player, school, career and total points. This would be fairly easy to collect for most current conferences and I have references for All-time scoring leaders for the SWC, Metro, Big 8 and ECC. What do you think? If you like the idea, I'd be happy to collaborate on the table. We could set it up in one of our sandboxes and divvy up the leagues. Rikster2 (talk) 16:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I kind of like the idea; my biggest concern is would we be opening a can of worms? Because if we include each conference's all-time leading scorers, wouldn't it be inconsistent to not create the all-time leaders in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks as well? I might be over-thinking this. I'm guessing that we could title the section "Conferences' all-time scoring leaders". I say let's go for it. I've started the table at User:Jrcla2/scoring – it's got the basic info down, all we need to do it plug in the info. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

By the way, as I've been going along and filling in some of the info, I hit a roadblock with the Big East. They don't have the 2010–11 media guide available to the public, and I'm pretty sure Harangody is the all-time leading scorer. However, their 2009–10 media guide only lists the all-time Big East leading scorers by their conference only points and they don't give an all games list. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'm pretty sure the Big East leading scorer is still Terry Dehere. Also, I have a dilemma on a couple. I know Daren Queenan is the East Coast leader, but don't have a ref. But he played his whole career in that league and no one above him on the NCAA list did. Similar story with Alphonso Ford in the SWAC. And Andrew Gonzalez of Houston Baptist has led the Great West in scoring both years of its existence, so he must be the GW leader. I'm sure I can dig up info on the Great Midwest and AmSouth too. How do you think we should handle these cases? Rikster2 (talk) 02:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, Kevin Brooks is the America South all-time leading scorer. I have yet to find a FREE reference that confirms. Rikster2 (talk) 02:43, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Dehere eh? Makes sense, hadn't thought of him. As for the ECC, SWAC, and GW, your rationale for all three is good enough for me. There's no chance in hell that someone outscored Queenan in the ECC, and I'd be stunned if someone had more than Ford in the SWAC (but for this one I'll investigate further to see what I can come up with). Gonzalez should be included too. I say we put them all in the list, and when we can find references we will add them. Until then, we'll just leave the refs blank.

What about the MEAC? I couldn't find anything and am hoping your sources have the answer. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, typical MEAC. My 1998 source that I used for some of the defunct leagues lists Tom Davis of Delaware St as the all-time leader (2,274 points from 87-91). No idea if anyone has passed him since. Rikster2 (talk) 03:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I just went through all of the MEAC school's men's basketball media guides. I looked to see who each school's all-time leading scorer is and whether their career total occurred during that school's time as a member of the MEAC. The closest anyone came was Coppin State's Tywain McKee, who scored 2,158 points between 2005–06 and 2008–09. There were three schools, however, who either didn't have media guides or didn't have the information available: UMES, NC A&T, and SC State. That being said, I highly doubt any of them had someone score more than Davis did at Delaware State, so I'm going ahead and plugging him into the list. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:Connecticut Huskies men's basketball coach navbox

Hello. I saw that a couple of days ago you moved Template:Connecticut Huskies men's basketball coach navbox to Template:Connecticut Huskies basketball coach navbox for purposes of standardization. However, because of the equal prominence of the Connecticut Huskies men's and women's basketball teams, I have been trying to keep all basketball templates for one of the teams clearly marked as being with that team as opposed to the other. I realize that there isn't currently a coach navbox for the women's team, but that could easily be created later. I therefore moved the navbox back to the title with "men's" in it. If you disagree with my reasoning let me know and we can discuss. –Grondemar 17:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I disagree that it should have "men's" in it. For one, all of the Division I men's basketball coach templates don't use the qualifier "men's" because 99% of the women's programs in the country aren't even as notable as most Division II men's programs. If a women's coach template exists, it should contain "women's" in it. Even if this sounds sexist, the truth of the matter is that the women's programs will never, and certainly aren't presently, on the remote scale of men's programs in terms of notability or in the public consciousness. The rare exceptions include (but aren't limited to) Connecticut, Baylor, Tennessee, Duke, North Carolina, Stanford and Louisiana Tech. I do understand your concern. However, you will be going against an already-established WP:CBBALL standardization and will be the only program in the country whose men's basketball team has "men's" in the title. I'm not accusing you of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, but it could possibly come off that way since the WikiProject already established the naming convention. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:21, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen, I just saw your comments, and thought I might interject. Please note that we are only talking about the template name, not the display name that shows on the navbox on the page. The word "men's" has simply been omitted from the template name as a space-saving economy. For all schools where there is both a men's and women's basketball program, the display name on the navbox clearly shows "men's" or "women's" or the separate women's mascot, as appropriate (e.g. "Howard Lady Bison basketball coaches"). Please keep this in mind, and let's not fight over the small stuff. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:51, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Excellent point Dirtlawyer. I agree that this isn't something worth battling over. However, I still strongly feel that going against the grain for the sake of it is not in the spirit of Wikipedia. If every men's template name omits "men's", why should Connecticut be special? Jrcla2 (talk) 19:15, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not replying sooner. My biggest reason for wanting to use "men's" in the name of the Connecticut Huskies men's basketball templates is disambiguation. I originally moved the men's basketball template to its current name last summer after discovering several templates related to men's basketball on articles related to women's basketball, and vice versa. By having the team gender in the template name, it greatly reduces the chance that someone attempting to transclude a template will select the wrong team's template. This is especially important when the men's and women's teams have or would have templates with similar or the same name if the gender was dropped; see also the 2004 NCAA Championship templates, where both teams have a championship template from the same year.

Honestly I would prefer if all the men's basketball articles and templates had "men's" in the title and that teams wouldn't use "Lady X" or "Xettes" to refer to women's teams, but that is a battle beyond this conversation. Right now my main concern is keeping the UConn articles and templates in order. –Grondemar 03:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

"Lady Xes" is used in instance where that is their official team name to differentiate themselves from the men's program (i.e. Lady Techsters). Jrcla2 (talk) 03:27, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I know, and I agree that if that's how the team officially refers to their women's teams, that's how they should be labeled in Wikipedia. I just wish they wouldn't do that. :-) –Grondemar 04:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anwar Ferguson

Thank you for your help Victuallers (talk) 06:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grady Livingston

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Template/Category class categories for college football

I've got your answer over on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football. DeFaultRyan 20:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

James Lemon

Do you have a source for the fact that the James Lemon who coached basketball at GW in the '20s is the same James Lemon who owned the baseball Senators in the '60s? I had a devil of a time digging up the minimal information that I found, and it would be nice to have something additional. Presuming it's the same person, the fact that he was a significant enough figure that the GW team briefly changed its name to the "Lemonites" in his honor would certainly be good to have on that page. -Dewelar (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Nope, no sources, just intuition. Remove it if you think it's not the same person. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I actually have no feeling one way or the other. I don't recall running across any information on Lemon being connected with basketball in any way, but it's not implausible -- given the time frame and location there's nothing to rule out that it's the same guy. I'm inclined to remove it, but would be willing to leave it up if you have some intention of doing some further research on the issue. -Dewelar (talk) 02:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

If you do remove, which is fine, I ask that you disambiguate the GWU basketball coach navbox to say "James Lemon (basketball)". Jrcla2 (talk) 02:36, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Done. -Dewelar (talk) 04:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject University of Connecticut

I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the acronym "SSDI". Could you clarify? –Grondemar 12:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Social Security Death Index. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know. –Grondemar 01:52, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

R. LeBlanc Lynch

Interesting find of R. LeBlanc Lynch. I, too, strongly suspect that the coach and St. James Episcopal Church guy are the same person. I did some more research, but I can't find anything to make Lynch notable. Not his work as a coach--since that position was filled by a player-coach before Edwards, and there was nothing for his religious work. Too bad. About the coaching list--there was a reason that I didn't include Lynch, but I don't remember it. I'll check it out. Good work on all the new navboxes. --GrapedApe (talk) 04:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Un-linking a person's name

Sometimes, when wiki-linking a person's name on a list, it will automatically link the name to a notable person of the same name for whom there is an article on Wikipedia. For instance, I'm working on a list at List of Schindlerjuden. One of the names on the list is Abraham Auerbach. There is a famous Abraham Auerbach from the 18th century, which Wikipedia automatically links to, but obviously that is a different person than the one from the 20th century. Do you know how I can un-link this?Hoops gza (talk) 14:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

To disambiguate a person when they're listed using {{sortname}}, format it like this: {{sortname|Abraham|Auerbach|Abraham Auerbach (Schindlerjuden)}}. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!Hoops gza (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Dolf Stanley

Thanks for the cleanup of the page I created. I hope to create more in the future.

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Another guy to keep an eye on for 2000/1000

Hey - One more 2k/1k candidate for you - Keith Benson. He is already over 1000 rebounds and needs 177 points to hit 2000. It's a bit of a long shot, but it is possible for him to hit it with a long-ish postseason run. Rikster2 (talk) 12:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Just an update - Faried is only 2 points away from 2000 and Kyle Singler will hit 1000 boards with his first rebound tomorrow - they are locks. When you add these, would you mind putting the note on the 2010-11 season page right above the 2000 point scorer list? Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 20:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I knew they were that close, respectively, which is crazy to think that they'll both achieve the milestone within 24 hours of each other. I'll write a new "season headline" sentence when they've both gotten it. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 23:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

SEC player of the year page

I recently edited the SEC player of the year page because it claimed that Chandler Parsons currently holds the title of SEC player of the year. This is untrue because do to the fact that the Associated Press hasnt named its SEC player of the year yet and if that person isn't Parsons then Parsons would become CO-SEC player of the year with the other person so he isn't yet the SEC player of the year —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.224.12 (talk) 01:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Right, I understand. But the fact is, regardless of whether the AP ultimately selects him as their POY or not, he is going to remain on the article anyway, so removing him is completely pointless. Very soon we'll all know whether he's the unanimous POY or co-POY, and at that time any adjusments necessary will be made. Besides, the symbol demarcating him as the coaches selection is next to his name, so it's not like there is any confusion about it. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

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Added three for deletion

I added Anthony Hill (Basketball) and Tony Meier to the Tone Boyle's AfD per your request. Of course you will see this right away because there are no basketball games this week to keep you busy. :)   Sigh, my BYU will lose big tomorrow... Bgwhite (talk) 17:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Cool. I'll go !vote on that now. Also, BYU better not lose, at least for another round, because my bracket is already busted enough after one day... Jrcla2 (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Next priorities

Hey- I should finish the WCC coach navboxes tonight (just San Diego, San Francisco and Santa Clara to go). After that, I think I will turn my attention to creating WP articles for each of the All-America players who don't have them, as well as all 2011 conference POYs. Having created a couple of historical articles on these types, it feels like these will be easier to create now while there are ample sources than they will be later. Not sure if you have other things you plan to work on, but feel free to grab any that catch your fancy. One that might also take care of one of your priorities is Aaron Johnson of UAB, the CUSA player of the year who also led the nation in assists this year. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 19:44, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to finish the OVC tonight, then double check every template to make sure we didn't miss any... so, presumably, we will have every single Division I navbox upgraded by the end of today. Holler.

For the conference POYs, I'm not terribly interested in making any unless they coincide with a statistical leader template as well. Aaron Johnson, as you pointed out, would be one, but I have some articles I'd like to write before I re-tackle stats leaders again. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, also, the reason I haven't added Johnson to the season assists leader article yet is because Ohio and Iona still haven't finished their seasons. While it's 99.999% unlikely that D. J. Cooper or Scott Machado will record 20-assist games to boost their season averages up, it's still technically possible. I'm also waiting until BYU gets officially eliminated to add Fredette to the scoring champ article. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Eh nevermind about the assists leaders comment. Cooper only had 5 tonight in a loss, and Machado isn't going to miraculously increase his average by 0.2 in the next one game or so. I'm still going to wait on Fredette, though. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

NAIA help

Thanks for your input! I'm not the best at making redirecting link, so I guess this is where I can get some good practice. And you said LoL can make 1943 link to 1945 in the infobox? How do I re-nominate it? I reposted my comments from the last deletion page onto the discussion page. Thanks! Moonraker0022 (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Please don't renominate it. It's an historically significant event (or lack thereof, which its absence actually makes it more significant in some respects). National sporting tournaments not held due to war still warrant inclusion. But, I can't tell you not to, so if you do re-nom it I'll just follow procedure and voice my opinion at the AfD. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry I didn't see this post before I had already re-nominated it. Moonraker0022 (talk) 00:45, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

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Advice needed

I need help at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball#Chris_Hill_.28basketball.29.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NBA biography

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1944 NAIA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament

I've renominated for deletion. But I don't think the discussion is reopened though. I'm not sure how to fix this. And I've asked User:LOL for help in adjusting the 1943 & 1945 infobox links so that those pages don't deadlink and can skip over 1944. Thanks for your time, and suggestions. Moonraker0022 (talk) 00:44, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

This could be handy for you...

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Thanks, I just signed up to see if I get it. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Al Szolack

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Coach navbox standards - interim to permanent

Jrcla2- I was updating the Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles basketball coach navbox and saw your note on Frank Harrell. I really disagree with listing the same guy twice in succession and feel like the interim tag really should only apply to those coaches who are only interim coaches. If somebody gets the permanent job, (like Mike Davis) it seems like they should just be listed in the navbox as a permanent coach and the details can be contained either on their page or the men's basketball page. I wanted to respect your request not to delete the interim entry, but think this needs some discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 01:33, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I disagree because what if the interim/eventually-permanent coach doesn't have an article himself, or the team doesn't have one either? There'd be no way to know that "season xxxx-xx" was actually coached by an interim HC who ultimately became the head coach. It's an official designation used in the teams' media guides. IMO I don't think listing the same head coach twice in a row in a succession box is any different from listing one twice in a row separated by World War II – the principle is the same. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it isn't the same. Noting periods where the program didn't field a team explains gaps in seasons. Navboxes serve two purposes: 1) to navigate pages of similar individuals, and 2) to illustrate coaching succession. You can't succeed yourself. I think the assumption is that at some point, all D1 coaches WILL have an article on WP and that's probably where the interim to permanant context should lie. It's similar to Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt took over when McKinley was assassinated and finished his term, then was elected on his own. That fact isn't noted either in the succession box or the template on his page - but it's in the article. But no biggie - I'm not in much of a mood to fight over it. At the end of the day, it just kind of looks tacky to me. Rikster2 (talk) 14:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Iman al-Obeidi

Jrcla2, thanks for reviewing the nomination. I tried to address your concerns there. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Edited the Alt hooks some more. Cinosaur (talk) 06:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for reviewing the Alts. I've fixed Alt1's ref with the correct citation in the article. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:22, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Jrcla2, could you please reassess Alt1 when you get a spare minute? I this it's a slightly better hook that Alt2. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 02:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

AfD

Howdy, both of us added some college basketball players for an AfD a few weeks ago. I've nominated an AfD for Obi Egekeze. He is a college football player. Could you take a look at the AfD and see if I'm out of line with the nomination. Bgwhite (talk) 20:35, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I just added my two cents. I'm not sure how strongly I'm going to argue either way on this AfD, but I felt compelled to mention the Justin Watts AfD. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:46, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

It was just fine. All I wanted to know was if my reasoning was right or not and you gave your opinion. Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Re the note you left me... that's actually NOT sockpuppetry. When I blocked the first user, the template specifically encourages them to create a new username and edit. They're doing as they were told.  :) - Philippe 09:59, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, didn't catch that. Welp, nevermind! Jrcla2 (talk) 13:48, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Templates

Hello. I modified Jimmer Fredette so that the footer templates are grouped thematically. I feel this is more functional than an omnibus "Awards and honors" group. You referenced a concern for consistency in your edit summary, which typically is not a valid concern without consensus of the community (see, for example, Wikipedia:Consistency). I'd be happy to participate in such a discussion if it's needed, but in the case of Jimmer, I hope you will give it a chance. Regards —Eustress ^talk 20:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to fight it, but it's stupid to be different for the sake of being different. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Credo accounts

Hi, I've just heard from Erik of the Foundation about these, and apparently you have no email set in your preferences, so they're unable to forward your account details. Can you add an email address at your earlier convenience? Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 17:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I think I just enabled it. I'm not sure how to use it though. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:13, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you need to do anything, Jr. You just add an email address to your preferences, under User profile. Then the software sends you an email, and asks you to click on a link to authenticate it. That's all you need to do. Then (I don't know when exactly) you'll be able to receive your account details. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 20:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh ok, then that's what I did. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Louisiana Tech basketball championship navboxes

The edits you made the the Lady Techsters' championship navboxes have resulted in them not fitting to the width of the screen. They now extend off the screen to the right instead of wrapping around. I don't know how to fix this. Would you mind making the correction? Template:1981 Louisiana Tech basketball, Template:1982 Louisiana Tech basketball, and Template:1988 Louisiana Tech basketball. Thanks! -AllisonFoley (talk) 09:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I get the time to do it. Been hard to come by lately. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I just glanced at the templates to see what you're talking about, it should be a relatively easy fix. One thing I will mention is that only significant contributors to a team's championship season get included in the championship navbox, so a handful of the players on each of the templates will be removed. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I didn't know about all these guidelines for the templates. As far as not listing assistant coaches, it was common knowledge that Leon Barmore was an assistant coach in name only. He basically acted as head coach while Hogg was the recruiter. I can reference a Sports Illustrated article that supports this claim. Immediately after the the 2nd championship, Tech named Barmore co-head coach because he became disgruntled that Hogg got all the official credit. Taking that into consideration, would it still violate the template guidelines to include Barmore in the infobox since he was a significant contributor? Thanks! -AllisonFoley (talk) 04:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Although I'm personally unfamiliar with the LaTech situation, I believe you about Barmore. As far as putting him on the template, though, that would be a question I'd ask over at WT:CBBALL. The reason I would argue against it is because then Louisiana Tech would have the only two championship templates with assistant coaches on them out of all of the men's and women's templates. It would create a stark inconsistency within the already-debated and agreed upon standards for championship templates. I understand that Barmore was the de facto head coach, but official records show otherwise, and in these templates it would be WP:OR to include him on the grounds of being an assistant coach "in name only." Jrcla2 (talk) 18:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pete Padgett

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jerry Harper

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Jerry Harper - Phillips 66ers

Hey- Saw you removed the Phillips basketball cat from Harper. I actually put it on there because he's listed in a Phillips 66ers program I have from late 1958. I'm pretty sure he actually did play for them, though records are sketchy.

Also, got your message on the Haggerty - not sure what the holdup is. I would assume it would be Jenkins so I guess watching the Hofstra page is the thing to do. I guess Dwight Hardy of St. John's has a shot. Rikster2 (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit to add: Just saw on some guy's Twitter that the Haggerty Award banquet is Tuesday night. Should be out soon after that. Rikster2 (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll re-add the Phillips 66ers category. But yeah I figured the award announcement had to be soon, it's almost May. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Those images...

Yeah, "own work" is totally bogus: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jimmy McNatt 39-40 Oklahoma.JPG--GrapedApe (talk) 01:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

AAU All-Americans

Was looking for the missing team on the AAU Men's Basketball All-Americans article (1937-38). I own the Grundman book and there is an appendix showing AAU AA teams (though this section isn't available on Google Books). According to that, your 1936-37 team is actually the 37-38 team and your 35-36 team is actually the 36-37 team. The 1936 team is the 1935 team you have with one change (Carl Knowles of Universal instead of Hyatt). The book also lists AA teams back to 1921. Worth noting there are a few minor differences on later teams as well. I didn't want to make the changes since the sources are a little inconsistent (which should be used as source of record?). Just wanted to let you know. Glad you started these articles - lots of untilled ground in the early AAU. If you're motivated, a Phillips 66ers article would be really good given how dominant they were in the pre- and early pro league days. Rikster2 (talk) 12:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay, I was out of town and with limited internet for three days. If the source you have is a printed one, I'm willing to trust that more than APBR. Although APBR is a great website, it definitely has flaws (to wit, it says "Paul Lindman" was an AAU All-American, but I knew they meant Paul Lindemann). Question: Does your source list every team from 1920–21 and on? If so maybe we should add them. As for Phillips 66ers, it appears as though someone's already started it. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for AAU Men's Basketball All-Americans

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DYK nomination of Dick Davies

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academic titles

WP:MOSBIO. If we don't do this in biography articles, then why should we do it in other articles? :-) And (with the exception of medical journals) the vast majority of academic journals do not list academic titles for their editors/authors/board members. --Crusio (talk) 15:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Jerry Shipp

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Proposed deletion of Template:Developmental National Basketball Team roster header

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DYK for Yan Yan Chan

Tried to address your concerns at T:DYK. Let me know what you think, and thanks! Khazar (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dick Davies

Another article contributed, thanks Victuallers (talk) 18:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Thieben

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Duplicate articles

There is both a Lew Andreas and a Lewis Andreas article for the former Syracuse coach. Do your editing powers include being able to merge them? I hadn't really thought through which should be merged into which or anything - just ran across it today. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll merge the content from Lewis into Lew, which appears to be his common name. I'd posit that the New York Times obituary only used "Lewis" as a formality. Once I move the info over, I'll redirect Lewis Andreas → Lew Andreas and fix the basketball coach navbox. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 19:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tom Sullivan (basketball)

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DYK for Billy Schaeffer

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Your division of my References section into "General" and "Specific"

(This is in reference to my Mystic River Reservation article.) I don't understand this distinction--it does not seem to match the format of other articles. As I understand it, "Notes" and "References" are two different things: Notes are pointed to by superscripts, while References are not. Therefore, your merging them together in the References section with the distinctions "general" and "specific" is confusing to me. If you can kindly explain this, and point to some examples of this format's being used in other Wikipedia articles, I will be glad to learn and, if need be, amend my understanding; otherwise, I'm going to revert back to the Notes/References format. Thanks. Chillowack (talk) 17:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Look at any of the myriad NBA awards articles, all of which are Featured Lists (example: Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award). Jrcla2 (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Chillowack (talk) 20:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Azary

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+2010–11 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & Sydney Johnson

Thanks for your contribution to one of wikipedia's latest WP:GA's

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Texas–Arlington Mavericks men's basketball

I noticed that you moved UT Arlington Mavericks men's basketball to Texas–Arlington Mavericks men's basketball to match the category name. Although this is a minor point, I propose that the name of this page and the categories should all be changed from 'Texas–Arlington' back to either 'UT Arlington' or 'UTA'. These two shortened names are more appropriate for the university, and I think most of the UT schools try to stay away from the 'Texas–city name' format since you can't tell if the school is in the UT or A&M system that way. EMBaero (talk) 03:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)EMBaero

WikiProject College basketball has its set of naming conventions, and there isn't any confusion as to whether it's the A&M system or not because categories such as Category:Texas A&M–Corpus Christi Islanders men's basketball coaches and Category:Texas–Pan American Broncs men's basketball players exist. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ben Auerbach DYK nomination

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Cheers

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		Thanks for your words of support on the DYK page for the article Allen Forward. I, like you, see DYKs as a small oasis in Wikipedia where a little bit of misdirection and fun can be had. Thank you for your input.FruitMonkey (talk) 21:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I thought the hook was great as originally proposed and there's an unfortunate amount of literal-ism with reviewers nowadays. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Boo Harvey

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Albie Grant

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ben Auerbach

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Louisiana-Lafayette pages

Can you move the Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns football and Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns baseball pages like you did the basketball page using the correct hyphen? I don't know how to do that. Thank you for your help. -USLcajun85 (talk) 16:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

a7

Why are you using db-a7 to mark sports seasons for deletion. It's not applicable; only those criteria in CAT:CSB are, and its applied narrowly. You're a very experienced editor, so you must have meant something else. DGG ( talk ) 23:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I must have mis-tagged them with that. I meant to say there was no claim of notability for why those specific seasons deserved articles. I was going on the guideline that Wikipedia is not a sports almanac, and all of those season one- or two-sentence stubs weren't even close to notable. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Individual seasons of top professional teams are considered notable -- see the relevant section of Notability (Sports). Myself, I personally do not necessarily understand or agree with all the sports articles criteria, but they are nonetheless widely accepted. I can certainly understand the urge to list them for deletion--there's no question they are extraordinarily low quality articles--not even listing all the games is a new low, as far as I can tell--but that's reason for improvement, not deletion. I'll give some advice to the editor who wrote them. It is true that there might be a case for starting over for something as incomplete as these, but the reason for not deleting is the hope is that he can persuaded to do a proper article and become a more useful contributor. It is, after all, critical to our survival to develop new contributors. More generally, I remind you that when something is deletable & doesn't fit into the criteria at WP:CSD, they must be handled via Prod or AfD. There's general consensus not to try to stretch the criteria, because there are unfortunately a few admins who would tend to use them as expansively as possible if they could. (if, for example, these article had been about a local team, Prod would have been very appropriate, because they wouldn't be notable even if fixed.)

BTW, excellent patient work you've been doing. DGG ( talk ) 00:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

High school player

Since you're experienced with basketball articles, I wanted to get your opinion. Do you think an article on Aquille Carr is fit for the mainspace? I just assume it'll be sent to AFD, but think it could survive. Not sure if the basketball project has any unwritten rules on this... Strikehold (talk) 03:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

High school basketball players are especially tough to convince editors in general of their notability, even more so nowadays since websites like Rivals.com provide bio blasts of basically the top 300-400 players in the country every year (i.e. "everyone who's anyone has coverage"). But on this particular player, I see enough third party, non-routine coverage of him as a basketball player to warrant inclusion. I agree that people might send an article on a high school athlete (especially one so young) to an AfD on a knee-jerk reaction, but this one should survive if it came to that. If it ever gets put for an AfD just let me know, because I'll be more than happy to express why he should be kept. I take it you're hoping he's a Terp in 2013? Jrcla2 (talk) 03:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I moved it to the mainspace (linked above). Yeah, I'd love to see him in a Terps uni. Don't think it'll happen though, and we're on some other guards in the next few classes. But I thought he'd make for an interesting article. Strikehold (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

CFD speedy note

Hi; just a note about nominations placed at WP:CFDS: don't forget to tag the category with {{subst:Cfr-speedy|NEW-CATEGORY-NAME-HERE}}. Some of your nominations have the category tagged but I have processed some recently that were not tagged. Not a huge deal in most cases, but it does need to be done so that those who watch the category are aware of the nomination and can double-check it for accuracy, if desired. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 22:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

International Monetary Fund

I'll have you know, everything that I've shared on Wikipedia is true. I don't appreciated being branded for vandalism, when all I've done is supported Wikipedia's mission. My entry for the IMF was meant as a factual, albeit quite ironic, statement of truth. Why don't you check your sources next time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.169.193 (talk) 19:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

He is correct. The IMF plays a substantial role in the show [C] (anime). One of the main characters is an IMF agent with the role of figuring out the effects of "midas money" on the real world. I don't see how the documentaries that are currently in the media section are more relevant then the anime show.

Note to self: The above are two different IP comments that are actually the same person. Disregard. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Note to you: This is actually a different person and you aren't doing your job. I'm sure you didn't even investigate the other users original claim and automatically assumed it was vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.40.70 (talk) 19:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

You'll be blocked soon enough. Have a great day! :) Jrcla2 (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

You're a twamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.169.84 (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I see your hiding behind your mod powers instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.40.70 (talk) 19:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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AAU All-Americans

Just finished updating the AAU Men's Basketball All-Americans article and created the missing template (1938). The reference was pages 263-270 of the Adolph Grundman book cited in the article. It also lists AAU AAs from 1921-34. I am going on a trip tomorrow, but when I get back I'll work on this. Not sure I can get the formatting of the extra 14 teams right without corwding the page. They are all five man teams except 1924, 1929 and 1931 (6 each). If you want to set up a table I can drop them in (but not for about 2 weeks). Otherwise I can create the table when I get back and turn it over to you to integrate into the article. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 01:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice work. I'm actually going to be traveling from Thursday through Tuesday myself, and computer use will be negligible if at all during that time. I think we'll both just have to pick back up on this later to finish reformatting the article. I'm glad you have the source for the additions though. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I have put the 1921-1933 AAU All-Americans here. If you want you can add them to the main article. I don't have the coding skills or patience to do that, but I can help create templates if you want. These all came from teh same reference the other info came from. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 01:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll add the coding part to my to-do list. Wouldn't mind help on the templates though... haha thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Marshall Rogers

I saw you added that he was the brother of Harry Rogers. I assumed this too when I read about his high school teams, but after some digging I could not find anything that suggested this was true. I found something about a sister (but now I can't find that any more) but nothing about a brother. Did you find something I could not? (Thevandaley (talk) 22:29, 1 July 2011 (UTC))

Joey Chestnut

This edit added (possibly inadvertently) a blatant WP:BLP violation to the above article. Please be more careful in the future. LHM 03:20, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't even know how that happened. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Trying to edit

I was planning to edit the UCLA row in Wikipedia:WikiProject College Basketball/Master Table, because they clearly have a page for the team, but I'm not seeing the code for the green. Can you help me? As an aside, I just noticed that oe can edit each row, which is useful, but I'm not seeing how that was done. Do you know?--SPhilbrickT 19:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I think I figured out the answer to my second question, it is forced by the use of header code.--SPhilbrickT 19:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The green is tricky because the coding for it actually appears at the bottom of the team placed right above it. In other words, to de-green UCLA, you'll need to click on [Edit] for the UC Santa Barbara Gauchos entry, then remove the "style="background:#ddffdd"". I already removed the green from the UCLA entry, but if you come across any others that's how it's done. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. What threw me off is that the instructions say "Rows in <font color="#33cc33">''GREEN''</font> ", so I was looking for "33cc33" but inexplicably,the color in the instructions doesn't match the color used.--SPhilbrickT 11:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's understandable. I see you've been updating the women's coaches' column, good luck. There's a lot to be filled in. Jrcla2 (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Message

Hello. You have a message regarding DragoLink08 at Killervogel5's talk page. Message added 11:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC).

Joe Bruin Photo

Thank you for adding the Joe Bruin photo to the article I started Joe Bruin. I am also hopeing for a 1980s retro image. Bruinfan12 (talk) 05:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I didn't add that photo. Jrcla2 (talk) 05:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for your contributions to articles that I created, especially Roger Strickland. NBA Fan44 (talk) 02:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, just trying to help out. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

DragoLink08

I have blocked User:DragoLink08 again, this time for 1 week. If he returns and his editing patterns are the same, you will need to start a request for comment on user conduct, as I will not continue in a block war with an editor who has no intention of listening. As I said before, I will certify an RfC/U if one is opened, but I will not open it myself; it will be your responsibility to compile the necessary evidence and present it neutrally. — KV5 • Talk • 22:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Meanwhile I'm assuming you've got enough of those templates watchlisted that you're likely to detect it if he creates another sockpuppet? Thanks - JohnInDC (talk) 01:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I actually don't because I make an effort to not inundate myself with watchlisted templates. I have a feeling we'll know soon enough if there's a sockpuppet... he likes to go after men's college basketball and football coach navboxes, and for coaches from the early to mid 1900s who have both on their articles, it'll be obvious if one is different from the other. If he tries to sockpuppet again (since he's been found guilty of that before), we'll take extreme measures in getting a long-term block or ban in place. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I personally am only likely to pick him up in one or two places. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries another sock - I mean, it's not like the guy has much respect for policies and conventions in the first place. JohnInDC (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

College Baseball WikiProject

You have my full support for taking the inactive banner off of the college baseball project page. I'd be happy to do anything to help the project become more active. I'm currently working on creating new stadium articles, but I'd be happy to work on anything else the project deems necessary. If you run into any opposition to the tag removal (as I did, if you look into the last few edits to the project page), I'll be a voice in favor of activating the project. Incidentally, nice work with all the categorizing. Kithira (talk) 17:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I'm only really helping out on making the coach navboxes, creating categories and doing the appropriate tagging ({{WikiProject Baseball|college=yes}}). As far as substance goes, I'm not really into baseball...i.e., I won't be creating any new college baseball articles. The only one I've ever done is Plumeri Park, and that's only because I created a lot of W&M articles. Both Jweiss11 and I will help out with all of this aforementioned navboxes/categories stuff, but I would look to recruit at WP:BASEBALL for those who are truly college baseball fans. Thanks for the kind words. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rodney Blake (basketball)

Hello! Your submission of Rodney Blake (basketball) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 18:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: TfD

Thanks for the heads up. Deletion discussions are a great way to break up the article/userbox creation monotony.  :) Kithira (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

No sweat. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Jrcla2, thanks for your support on this. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's a crazy TfD if I ever saw one. Lots of dominoes could fall if this goes through. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Wrestling templates

I don't understand why you nominated the wrestling templates for deletion when you used this

The red links encourage article creation for these coaches, all of whom inherently pass notability guidelines for coaches since they coach(ed) at the highest level of amateur competition in the United States for baseball (NCAA Division I or historical equivalent). Jrcla2 (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

rebuttal to defend the SDSU template. Gerry D (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for stalking me. But to answer your question, which I really don't have to, it's because the wrestling templates contained all red links. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Go ahead and think what you want to think. But your point about having red links being a motivator for creating articles is very valid. I don't see the problem with all red links in a template. Most of the articles I have created came from red links found within templates. Gerry D (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

It's when a template is 100% red links then it's good for no reason at all. Templates need at least 1 blue linked article in which to navigate. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rodney Blake (basketball)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Kenny Hasbrouck

I reverted the edits on Kenny Hasbrouck. I'm assuming good faith, because you seem to know what you're doing. When the user before used Twinkle on his article, I'm assuming it showed that there was a removal of an image, the American flag. Also removed was all the content on his DWI, which was properly sourced and had been since the day his arrest hit the news. Kjscotte34 (talk) 20:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter a lick that there is a source for his DWI. It's undue weight on the subject, especially having an entire section devoted to it. Not to mention re-inserting incorrect copyedits, junky and unclear external links (see WP:EL), and putting flags in infoboxes goes against Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Flags. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Fine, maybe it doesn't need its own section. But it's relevant- he was told not to even come to the arena during a PLAYOFF series due to that arrest. It belongs somewhere. If we're going to remove content, we need to look at his entire college career. Not one single source. Not one. Kjscotte34 (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Then remove his entire college career, or re-write it, or add sources to it, whatever you choose. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

AAU All-American templates

They're done. I'm going to wipe my sandbox clean - I think you copied the AA info that was on them already. I'm also on a binge to fill in guys on national champion templates - guys who went on to be NBA players, coaches, etc. Just trying to complete some of these things. Rikster2 (talk) 01:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that, thanks for doing it. I'll try to make working on the AAU list a high priority, maybe attack it little by little so it doesn't seem too daunting. I think you've written like 10 to 15 articles in the past 10 days, which is an incredible rate. I might start slowly working on the 2000/1000 guys, or possibly the steals or assists leaders soon. So far the NCAA scoring, rebounding and blocks champs are finished. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:41, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Art Matsu

Hi. Didn't even know you had a to do list. I came across Matsu while doing research on Frank G. Menke. Just happened to see an article describing this Japanese American kid as one of the top passers in football, and I thought it was a fascinating story. If you have additional sources/information, I'd welcome any input you may have. The sources I saw were split between referring to him as Arthur or Art, so I went with Arthur. I'll add a redirect for Art. Cbl62 (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for David Holston

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:W&Jcats

Although you suggested that this template be deleted here, the closing admin did not include it since it was not tagged. You should feel free to start a deletion discussion for it if you still feel it should be deleted. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 02:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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William and Mary Football

I understand your critique of my edit, being that it was not under the correct subheading. However, I'm no computer programmer and I was simply trying to make the article more complete by consolidating the yearly records onto one chart. I don't believe this to be out of order on this page as it will serve a useful quick reference. There are individual pages for each decade that is cumbersome when trying to compare year-by-year. If you are so apt to have the consolidated information on a separate page, perhaps you could help by creating separate articles or perhaps helping create a collapsible chart that would not extend the page significantly. I suppose a listing of links by decade could be helpful, but again, nothing beats seeing them side-by-side. It takes quite awhile to compile the information and it doesnt seem that there are any takers to significantly overhaul the individual (and quite fragmented) entries for WM sports. SuperNoga (talk) 03:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair use images

Hey, I noticed you've been uploading a lot of fair use images. I've run into a problem before with the license you are using. I think we're better of with the one used at File:David M. Nelson.jpg. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll start using that instead, thanks for the heads up. Jrcla2 (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for all your help cleaning up the UNC coach articles. I greatly appreciate all your hard work. Without you I am sure most college basketball articles would be in much worse. Keep up the great work. Remember (talk) 14:11, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Just trying to do my part in improving the best sport there is. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:47, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the cleanup on the Lineburg and Richmond football articles/templates. Was trying to throw something together quickly late last night and missed a few things. Changes look good! WildCowboy (talk) 14:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Np. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Edgar vs Maynard

Thanks for your input. -- James26 (talk) 01:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

College sports navboxes

I'm working on a big project to standardize naming, form, coloring, and categorization of college sports navboxes. I think you'll get the gist I've what I'm aiming for starting from Category:Big Ten Conference navigational boxes. I could use some help getting this done. Care to help knock some of this out, maybe starting with the CAA. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 13:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. I've got some articles lined up that I may want to knock out while I'm trapped indoors this weekend, as you can see on my user page (I live in a region that's supposed to get pelted by Hurricane Irene), but I'm also prone to being easily sidetracked, so there's always a good chance that I'll work on it a little (probably CAA). Jrcla2 (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Stay safe this weekend. We're supposed to get a piece of that hurricane up in NY as well. Anything you can do to help would be awesome. Jweiss11 (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for starting work on the CAA. I reworked Category:Colonial Athletic Association templates, and created Category:Colonial Athletic Association navigational boxes, so we don't have to do the speedy CfD. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Whatever works best. Question - what is the difference between a template and a navbox? For years I thought they were interchangeable lingo, and it was only relatively recently that I discerned they weren't - but I still don't know the "definitional" difference. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

(added) Also, I think including {{category tree}} on most college conferences' categories is a good idea. It makes navigation very accessible and quick (check out the CAA and all of its subcats to see what I mean). For novice category perusers, they can get lost pretty easily in the expansive trees we're creating, and to work their way down and up those branches more quickly, the category tree tag seems to do the trick. Just IMO though. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The category trees are not a bad idea. A navbox is a type of template. The other two main types are infoboxes and what I call "functional" templates (not sure if there is an official or technical name). "Functional" templates are those take arguments to render content dynamically. In fact, Template:Navbox, which gets called in most navboxes, is itself one such functional template. Other examples you are familiar are the ones that compose the head coaching record tables like Template:CFB Yearly Record Entry. Templates like Template:Cfbhof can be used to standardize external links. Then there are the standings templates, which are sort of like navboxes, except they are use in a different context and also render non-navigation content (i.e. the records). I think we should consider them to be an animal separate from navboxes. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:37, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Hmm ok. Well, in any case, their categories should be appropriately named to reflect what they do accurately, so that works. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Technical Barnstar

I want to thank you for going in and adding the necessary info to the discussion pages of the categories I'm creating for the Horizon League. I'm basing the categories on what is currently being used by the ACC. I was planning on doing all of that tomorrow but I'm glad someone more experienced is doing it for me because I have a lot to learn about classes and stub/start and whatnot. City boy77 (talk) 05:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. It's good to have someone from WikiProject College basketball who is a Horizon League homer. There are plenty of people out there who will readily create/edit the power conferences' basketball articles, but not nearly as many who enjoy the mid-majors. I'm a CAA alum, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one at the WikiProject who gives it any attention. User:Editorofthewiki is an Atlantic 10 guy, etc. If we could, theoretically, have at least 1 or 2 consistent and good editors "assigned" to each of the Division I conferences, WP:CBBALL could progress so much more rapidly.

On a related note, when you create a new article, it's worth clicking on the blue link on the left bar that says "What links here" in the toolbox. Sometimes, you'll see where there are navboxes that link to the page. For example, when you created Matt Bollant, I realized that another navbox belonged on the page (here). It's just a tip to help ensure articles have all linking navboxes on them. Thanks again, I'm sure our editing paths will overlap more in the future. No hard feelings on the Horizon League women's basketball coaches category being CfD'd :) Jrcla2 (talk) 15:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Category:Florida Gators tennis

Jrcla, just saw that you had created this new category. The Florida Gators sports categories do not combine male and female athletes, nor create "super" parent categories for sports where there are men's and women's teams in the same sport. We just went through a CfD several months ago to delete a super parent category for "Florida Gators golf" that served no purpose than to create a redundant, intervening category. I would be grateful if you would reconsider, and delete this new category ASAP. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Lamar Cardinals

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for the work that you have done on Lamar Cardinals related articles! ThomasHorn7 (talk) 22:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey you're welcome. FYI, about a week ago I created B. B. Davis, which is currently under DYK review. Thought you might like that article. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a million, BB is a great guy who I have met personally. Again thanks for the help it is appreciated. I'm done with the navbox dispute. ThomasHorn7 (talk) 22:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Question – what is BB's real name? I couldn't find a single source that actually says his first and middle names. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

That is a good question I have always called him BB and everyone I know calls him that. I can ask and get back to you. He works at the local hospital. ThomasHorn7 (talk) 22:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

If you could find that out that'd be great. I'd like to add that info to the article. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 23:21, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, if somehow you could find out his exact date of birth too. Right now I only know roughly what year he was born in, let alone the exact day/month/year. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for B. B. Davis

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

UNC Coaches

I would love to finish the last two remaining UNC coaches (I have been meaning to do this for a long time), but life is very busy right now (which explains my great decline in editing). I will try my best, but it may take a long time. We can start working on the article here - User:Remember/UNC Coach. Remember (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. Again, UNC basketball isn't my passion. I'm an all-around college basketball guy (W&M and Duke are my two favorite – I'm sure that doesn't sit well with you though :)). If the day comes where the article is ready to be edited and added to, let me know. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Green Bay

Hi Jrcla, just wanted to apologise for making you jump through extra hoops regarding the Green Bay basketball RMs. It probably should have been done uncontroversially, so sorry for making it take an extra week. All the best, Jenks24 (talk) 23:01, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, really. As long as it gets done. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Navbox colors

Does this look like the work of the Drago navbox color-changing dude you've have problems with before: Special:Contributions/131.247.38.231?

Appears to be 100% him. I'm about to head off to bed, might want to drop a line to JohnInDC (talk) about it. He can crank out an SPI in record time. Thanks for the heads up. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:37, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Let's establish a naming convention

Thanks for correcting the name and adding categories to Category:College sports seasons in the United States. The three existing subcategories have different names and I don't know that any of them are the best names that they could be. The Michigan Wolverines category has "athletic" in it's name which seems reminiscent of the old naming convention when athletic teams didn't have their monikers in the name (University of Michigan athletics vs. Michigan Wolverines). I created the Texas and Texas Tech categories with the intention of creating dozens more to organize these season articles but university, not just by sport, but perhaps "season by team" isn't the best choice. Since the seasons are organized by team, I opted for that descriptor instead of simply "[School] [Moniker] seasons" How do you feel about that title for those categories? Thanks! NThomas (talk) 21:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Saw this on my watchlist. The Michigan Wolverines category certainly needs changing and I've speedy CfD'd it to match what NThomas has set up for Texas and Texas Tech. I wonder, though, if this naming convention is as good as it can be. Consider Category:College sports teams in the United States by team. There "team" means the set of all teams in all sports at a given school. Here we're using "team" to mean the team of one particular sport at a given school. Perhaps Category:College sports teams in the United States by team should be renamed to Category:College sports teams in the United States by school and Category:Texas Longhorns seasons by team and its ilk should be renamed to Category:Texas Longhorns seasons by sport and the like? Jweiss11 (talk) 22:19, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I like the latter suggestion by JWeiss. I think "team" can easily become ambiguous. If each school's all-sports seasons category is called "[School] [nickname] seasons by sport", the user will know exactly what they're getting into. The reason I speedy renamed the original category in question is because I wanted it to conform to the already-existing Category:College sports team seasons in the United States by sport. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

The reason I chose "by team" and not "by sport" was that men's basketball and women's basketball are separate teams, but play the same sport. Using "by sport" would involve grouping Texas Tech Red Raiders men's basketball and Texas Longhorns men's basketball seasons together which is already covered Category:College men's basketball team seasons in the United States. It may seem trivial, but when you get past traditional gender specific sports like football and baseball, other sports have multiple teams playing the same sport: basketball, tennis, volleyball, etc. My idea was to group the school's individual teams' season categories together. NThomas (talk) 22:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm already pretty confused about the entire thing. Honestly, whatever the consensus is that would work best is what I'll support. I think naming it "sport" or "team" will cause problems no matter which way it's cut, so at the end of the day it's really just a matter of what would probably be least confusing to the public. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

After seeing the Michigan category, I second guessed myself so I figured I'd seek out someone who has more experience in this area than I do. Thanks. NThomas (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

That language may indeed be confusing, but I think it's fare to consider men's and women's basketball to be separate sports. I realize they both play basketball, but they compete in two completely distinct realms. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar. It really wasn't hard, the article is like three sentences long. I should get last year's POYs out of the way this weekend. All the best, ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 23:00, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

But you still took the time to do it. Johnson may be a player whose article is worth expanding, but I'll let you make that decision if you want to pursue that or not. Right now I've got a number of players on my queue to create, it's just a matter of knocking them out one by one. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:05, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rob Feaster

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What is your point

I don't get your point. My point is that the football and basketball POYs are pretty uniformly considered important. I can't conceive that it is considered more prestigious to be the Athlete of the year for a single sport than for all sports. What is your point. I am not offering them up. I created most of the templates that I mentioned at the TFD. I am saying that they should think more closely about hockey versus the other sports that value such templates. Then, they should considere what the value is of this template versus valued templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

You did not make your point very clear at all in the TfD about how the basketball and football navboxes are both important and have established credibility as major awards. Your phrase was "I believe that this is more notable than sport specific navboxes such as {{Big Ten Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year navbox}} and {{Chicago Tribune Silver Football navbox}}, which exist for both football and basketball for almost every major conference." This interprets as: "The basketball and football navboxes are clearly less worthy as far as navboxes go, and I can't believe you would nominate a Big Ten conference-wide award over those meager sport-specific ones." Whatever you thought you were writing, which probably made sense in your head, did not come out that way in writing. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Fellas, let's not quibble over language. We're on the same side and should be united against this succession box crap from the Hockey Mafia. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:04, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah you're right. I still maintain that the way he wrote it conveyed a meaning that was the opposite of what he meant, but I think it's best we all move on and unite against these absurd navbox TfDs. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

FYI - Walter Skidmore is now live

I created the Walter Skidmore article. It is very brief, but I am pretty busy and there doesn't seem to be much on him as a person. Feel free to revise and improve in any way you see fit. Cheers, Remember (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok I'll see what I can tweak / come up with. Thanks for letting me know. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick clean-up. It looks better already. Remember (talk) 14:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Orlando Lightfoot

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Walter Skidmore

I added the information you requested. Cbl62 (talk) 04:38, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Much obliged. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 04:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for cleaning up my talk page. Seems my wiki-federalism has ruffled some more asshole feathers. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Jrcla2 likes this. I have a feeling I know which editor it is, too. But that'd just be speculation, so I don't want to throw anyone under the bus unnecessarily. I'm sure we both know who it was though. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Created the last UNC head coach article - Bill Lange (coach). Feel free to clean-up and make it better, which you are very good at. Remember (talk) 18:19, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice. I'll see what I can do. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help in improving the Bill Lange (coach) article; it really looks much much better. I greatly appreciate all your hard work on this article. Remember (talk) 13:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I just got the ball rolling, then I asked User:Cbl62 for assistance on the dates of his birth and death. Next thing I know, we've got a C-class article that's incredibly thorough. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Bill Lange

I was not planning to nominate the article for DYK. Taking a break from DYK for a little bit, but you should feel free to nominate the article. Though it's not in the article yet, he led NC to its first NCAA tournament appearance, which might be a decent hook. Cbl62 (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok I'll nominate it soon. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:St. John's Red Storm football coach navbox

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DYK for Bill Lange (coach)

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Ollie Johnson

I saw the Spanish article and couldn't confirm the DOB or the Belgian experience through any other source - I wasn't confident that it was accurate. Particlularly the Belgium thing - since the other Ollie JOhnson played there. Are you SURE about the DOB? I dragged my feet creating the article because I tried to confirm it to get the naming right, but couldn't do it. Rikster2 (talk) 04:05, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

For some reason the Spanish and Italian Wikipedias have more articles than the English one when it comes to secondary and/or obscure college players – most likely because they never made the NBA and ended up in Europe. That said, even though the link to basketpedya.com doesn't work off of the Spanish wiki, I have tons of confidence that the DOB is correct nonetheless. I haven't encountered any misinformation on the Spanish wiki in terms of basic, height/weight and DOB -type stuff before, so I really don't see a reason to start doubting now. If you do the math, Johnson being born in 1942 would make perfect sense if he graduated in 1965. Plus, Belgium was one of the most popular countries for American expatriate basketball players in the 1960s, 70s and 80s (my uncle played there for about 5 years actually), so if both Ollie Johnsons coincidentally ended up there, that wouldn't surprise me either. You can definitely change the name of the article back (no offense taken), but I don't find a reason to doubt the DOB. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:16, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not that bent about it - I just as a rule don't include anything I can't verify myself. I have no idea where the DOB and pro info casmpe from. The reference doesn't work and Basketpedya is a wiki as well so it's not that great a source. Seems odd that the info wouldn't show up anywhere stateside. Rikster2 (talk) 04:31, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I (generally) don't include things I can't verify myself either, but on rare occasion, if I feel good enough about something, I'll AGF it. This is one of those times. Jrcla2 (talk) 04:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Consensus A-A templates

As a reg, I thought you might have an opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Colors.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:06, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Harold Jensen

Jrcla2 - Can I get you to take a look at this article? I just expanded it to try and avoid a repeat PROD. I feel pretty strongly he's notable and want to make sure I get this across. Feel free to add or edit anything you think would help. Also, if you have any ideas on where I could find his DOB I'd appreciate it. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 02:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks prod-proof at this point. I may not have much to expand, but I'll see if somehow, somewhere I can scrounge his DOB. Btw I finished the SEC POYs, you can delete Tom Parker from your page. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tank Collins

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UWM teams

Just because somebody in the sports department press office wants to "re-brand" the Panthers as the Milwaukee Panthers, does not affect the fact that on campus, on the local television and radio stations, and in the local newspapers, they are often (indeed, most of the time) referred to as the UWM Panthers or UW-Milwaukee Panthers. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Stop acting like a little dictator

Stop acting like a bloody little dictator, OK?

You seem to think you are Caesar of NCAA BB topics, and that that gives you the right to ignore fact and logic when taking a position on anything that concerns your little bailiwick.

I asked for an editors' vote and you ignored my request. How about doing what you are supposed to do, which is helping determine consensus, and stop being a jerkweasel in reply to my reasonable suggestions? NCDane (talk) 18:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

For someone with fewer than 900 edits, the fact that you've been twice taken to AN/I and blocked three times (all for WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT) is more indicative of you than it is of me. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:12, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

NCDane, I concur with Jrcla2. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Darren Brooks

Well done, thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

College football season records table

Jrcla, your opinions and votes are solicited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Season records tables, inclusion of AP, Coaches and BCS rankings, etc.. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

To be honest DL, I have no inclinations on those issues that are strong enough one way or the other. Any !voting I'd be doing would almost be counterproductive. Whatever the consensus turns out to be, I'll use. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tom Parker (basketball)

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DYK for Mike Edwards (basketball)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

1985-86 NCAA page

Are you getting the same page loading errors and delays I am with that page? I am assuming it's because there are too many standings templates on it - which I think is why we went away from those on more recent seasons. Can you think of a static way to display standings that won't cause this. Conference standings info is useful for the historic seasons and since they won't change I'm not sure I see the reason to use a template. Also, this one isn't a big priority for me. I'll chip away at it but I'm not sure I want to invest big time in it - I'd rather drive some of the CPOY and National Champion template work to the ground. Rikster2 (talk) 17:02, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes I am getting that message too. It really irks me when someone thinks they're doing a good service to WP:CBBALL by creating the outline for a new season article but doesn't want to take the time to put any real effort into filling it out. If anything it's more of a burden on editors (like us) who try to actually standardize those articles. As for the standings templates, which could feasibly be mass TfD'd anyway, I really don't know of a better way to display that information, unfortunately. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of this example? Those standings look pretty nice I think - and they are static. Rikster2 (talk) 11:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Seems good, but it looks like it would take forever to do. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I started creating the 1982 standings on my sandbox page to test it on that page later. It may take awhile, but I guess that's the advantage of not having all that many done. Rikster2 (talk) 16:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Current infobox template for NBA, WNBA and other pro players

Greetings, sir. I need some help. What's the current "standard" infobox template for NBA players? Can I use this same template for WNBA players? How about American players in foreign leagues? I've finally gotten around to cleaning up the Florida Gators basketball bios, and I've discovered that the men's articles are using a variety of old and new infobox templates, and many of the WNBA players have no infobox at all. Also, what's the best online source for WNBA career stats, etc.? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Your timing is good, because if you had spent effort on this even one month ago it would have been wasted. There has been lengthy discussions about a uniform basketball player infobox, which can be found at both Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Unification of basketball infoboxes as well as Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association#Unification of basketball infoboxes. From what I can surmise, the standard now is to use Template:Infobox basketball biography for all players, American and international, who have ever played at least 1 game of professional basketball anywhere (you'll notice at this template it shows you three options on which infobox to use, depending on the circumstance of the player, which is very helpful). The stipulation is that you should still use Template:Infobox NCAA athlete if your Gator hasn't graduated. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Citadel Navboxes

Hello, I had changed colors for The Citadel's navboxes to use the actual hex (#9cdbff) that the school uses. I also saw that some of them have been changed back. Just wanted to clarify, any particular reason? I think with the navy blue border you've added to some of them, it is still pretty readable. Any thoughts? Billcasey905 (talk) 23:03, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Bill, hey, that was actually me who changed the colors on the Citadel football and basketball coach navboxes, and it look likes Jrcla2 changed the baseball coach navbox to match those. I based my color selections off this logo here. If the colors I picked aren't the most representative, then they should be changed. But there should be a way to convey the school's official colors so that the navboxes are legible. One of the keys here is readability. White text on that light blue is a no-go. Also, on the baseball coach navbox, watch out for ambiguous links. You have a few in there. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

In doing a little more digging, I'm finding conflicting information on The Citadel's website about which shade of blue is the "official" shade. They reference both PN289 and PN298 in different places and also use PN278 and the hex referenced above. Either way, the shade I see in most places is very close to UNC's Carolina Blue. They have adopted navy blue (no standard shade that I'm aware of) as an accent color in recent years, which we could use as well. I'll leave them alone while I try to figure out which shade really is the "official" one, then try to work out a readable way to implement it. I meant to go back and fix the ambiguous links, but ran out of time. Billcasey905 (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tank Collins

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Basketball naming conventions for certain schools

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Christopher Mueller

I was going to redirect Christopher Mueller to Kit Mueller. Do you know for sure that Chris Mueller is a Christopher and not a Christian Mueller or some foreign spelling variant of Christopher?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

To be honest it hadn't occurred to me that his name could be Christian, so to answer your question no. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Plus in hockey with so many players of European descent, he could have a foreign variant like say Christoff, Christofer or some such. I am going to redirect Christopher to Kit.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:03, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I see that there is a third name added now and almost no one would be searching for Christopher based on consistent usage of Kit in the press. I will leave it as it is.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:06, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Reassign history

Do you think that the Pre-2010 history of {{Princeton Tigers basketball}} to {{Princeton Tigers basketball coach navbox}}?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:36, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Come again? Jrcla2 (talk) 01:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

There was a Tigers hoops coaches navbox that I expanded to be a Tiger basketball template. Now, you have created a Tigers coaches navbox. I am thinking that the person who created the original coaches navbox should have his history on that navbox and not the general one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:26, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I will ask User:Fuzzy510 because it is actually his template that I changed around and you recreated.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Tony, I wouldn't worry about the histories here. I can't see how it really helps us to reconstruct the "true" history of the navbox in light it its re-purposing. These navboxes have been in flux and have only recently started to conform to solid standards. What we had a couple of years ago is largely irrelevant. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Was there something wrong with my Aaron Johnson edits

What made you go back and revise what I wrote on Aaron Johnson's page? Was there bad info, excessive info, or bad grammar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbowens31 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

A lot of it was non-referenced original research and written from a non-neutral point of view. Don't take the cleanup personally, I was just making it better fit encyclopedic standards. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I didn't take it personally. I asked, because I want to become a better writer and any criticism is good criticism. I didn't put some of the info on there, my brother Aaron did, because he felt like that's what he wanted people to know, but if its for the betterment of his page then its fine with me. What about the picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbowens31 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The picture was not free and copyrighted. Also, Aaron writing about himself is a conflict of interest and should be avoided. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

What's the guideline when it comes to photos?

Hey, saw the new Bill Walker article - nice work. It remind me of a question I'd been meaning to ask, though - what is the guideline about using pictures? It seems like there is some sort of timeframe where photos enter the public domain since the majority seem to be from the 50s or earlier - but what is the guidance? I could probably start adding some of these if I understand the parameters. Also, I will probably start working on a series of articles of players who played key roles in the CCNY point shaving scandal. Many of the missing 1950 CCNY and 1951 UK championship team members are notable as much for their roles in that scandal as for their play. This could mean some expansion of that article. Kind of wondering if a different title might not be a good idea. The scandal had a big effect on Kentucky, Bradley and a couple other schools as well. Not sure what that new title should be, though. Rikster2 (talk) 14:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll be honest, I'm not well-versed in photo copyright law. I use the same Summary and Licensing, verbatim, as can be found on File:David M. Nelson.jpg. When a person is dead, no matter how recent or long ago his death occurred, you can easily claim historical image fair use as your rationale. Where it gets really tricky (IMO) is when the person is alive. For Bill Walker, the fact that he was 25 years old in the spring of 1951 leads me to believe he's probably dead at this point (he'd be ~86 years old right now...and while possible, is very unlikely). I would drop a note over at User talk:Connormah or User talk:Cbl62 regarding specific questions about photographs.
I enjoyed writing the Walker article because I had no clue he was involved in that scandal. It's pretty cool to learn something brand new like that when researching these old players. I like your idea about creating more player articles for those directly cited in that scandal; they definitely are notable for that alone. Maybe the title of the article could be "1950–51 NCAA men's basketball point shaving scandal" or something akin to that? Jrcla2 (talk) 15:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

If you have interest in creating any of the CCNY or UK players (mainly Walter Hirsch) who were involved and also appear on championship templates, I'd appreciate it. I am starting to hit a wall on some of these player articles - and some like 1959 Cal or 1954 La Salle have very few player articles at all. As for the title, I have a couple of books on the scandals at home - let me see if those have any good suggestions. I think "1951 NCAA men's basketball point shaving scandal" might do it, since the scandals actually broke and were in the news in 1951. Rikster2 (talk) 15:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Craig Lathen

I'll get to him later this month. If I haven't done anything on him in 30 days, ping me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I will research Martell Bailey too. Maybe one of these guys was a high school star in Chicago or did something after college that would make for an interesting article. I will research them when I get a chance.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping with the St. Francis Terriers related articles!!!--El Mayimbe (talk) 02:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for working on them. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:49, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Martell Bailey

Martell Bailey is somewhat interesting because he is not only a former DI assist leader, but also the Horizon League (HL) career and single-season assist record holder. His older brother David is arguably as notable according to the HL record book. The older brother was 3x All-HL (2x 1st team), HL scoring champ, HL assist champ and had more HL POWs. Martell was a 2x 2nd team All-HL performer and 2x assist champion. Although, Martell was only an All-2nd team performer, I guess he is marginally more notable due to HL all-time records and national statistical championship. Martell was also a local Chicago product so there is a lot of high school content. I have not done the full blown local content research, but have looked at page one of the "Martell Bailey site:Chicagotribune.com" google search and see some interesting stuff. If you want to go ahead and do the article, that should be enough to really get you going. If you want me to do the article, I will take a more in depth look later. I have a history of finding a lot of good high school content from the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times. With Kit Mueller, Rob Pelinka, Juwan Howard and Tai Streets I have uncovered a lot of good material. I am not sure if this guy was a top 20 Chicago area prospect. If he was, there will be a lot more about him when I do further research. If not, I am not sure what I can do. This is an unusual case because, generally, I don't like writing about guys who were not at least first team all-conference in college, especially for non power conferences.

The other guy is a bit older and it will take a while to find info. Also, UIC was in The Summit League back then, so I will have to look at a different set of sources if they are available.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. It looks like Martell led the Flames to three of their four post season tournaments and 2 of their 3 NCAA tournament bids.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. The "Martell Bailey site:suntimes.com" google search has some interesting stuff including this one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I had no idea Martell was so talented. Great research, and I'm sure there's still more to be uncovered. I'd still prefer if you wrote his article, namely because I have so many former college basketball player bios in my queue that I wouldn't realistically get to Bailey for a very long time. If you want to pass, I understand. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

It should not be too much of a surprise that a national assist champion is a good ball player. However, the article is now underway. Since his brother is in a lot of the same sources, I created a page for David Bailey (basketball). I won't really be researching him separately, but when content is on the same page as it is for Martell, I will add it. I will do a double DYK with the two of them. I will get to the other guy at some point later this month.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me. I like the idea of a brother double-DYK nom. Hell, you can always make Craig Lathen his own DYK later on. :) Jrcla2 (talk) 06:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't have an account with eurobasket.com. Would you be able to help me find the Pro experience for the Bailey brothers.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't have an account either, but I'll see what I can dig up. You may also want to ask User:Howard the Duck; he seems to have a proclivity for international basketball. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

O.K. I have pinged him. BTW, I found David's name in the following articles: Halifax Rainmen, Tartu Ülikool/Rock and Buffalo Sharks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:49, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rashad Phillips

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Walker (Toledo basketball)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Stefon Jackson

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: FCS Playoffs

Crazy, crazy year. UR obviously had quite the roller coaster, due in no small part to changing head coaches a week before the first game. Got off to a good start with three wins, but even then we saw signs of weakness in not dominating Wagner and VMI. Injuries were a huge part of this year's problems. Also a lack of fifth-year seniors due in part to the revolving door coaching staff we've had (our fifth-year seniors had four different head coaches) meant we were really, really young. We played something like a dozen true freshmen this year simply because we didn't have the bodies we needed.

Also remarkable is that four of the Spiders' eight losses came by a total of eight points...that's due to both bad luck and an inability to close out games. Evidence the crazy end to Saturday's game...weird turn of events gives the Spiders the lead in the waning moments, but the defense couldn't get a stop when it needed one, and the Tribe marched right down the field. Story of our season....very much in most of the games, but came up just short. On to next year! WildCowboy (talk) 15:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Well that would certainly do it. I'm sure UR will be among the top 3-4 teams in the conference next year given their experience at that point. If Lineburg's stint as interim HC is up and he doesn't become full-time, then that'd be yet another HC this century. On a side note - if Jonathan Grimes doesn't win the Walter Payton Award this year then a travesty will have occurred. Of course I'm biased, but the numbers he put up were literally record-setting. Imagine W&M's already-anemic offense without him? They'd have scored 20 points on the year. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Grimes is certainly worthy...definitely a special player. Seems like forever ago now that UR had back to back ~1900-yard rushing seasons from Hightower and Vaughan...those were awesome years and two great players. Grimes is notable for having been the man for four years. That 4500 yard mark is definitely up there. WildCowboy (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Uploading a picture from commons?

Do you have a link to instructions on how to do this? I am trying to get a photo of former Virginia Union coach Dave Robbins from commons to his WP article but it's not as I easy as expected. Maybe it's because I'm working off an iPad? Any help is appreciated! Rikster2 (talk) 19:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

All I've ever done is copied the file name from commons into the image_name field in the infobox. It should work that way, so I'm guessing it has more to do with working on an iPad than anything else. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:11, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

"Not in NYC"?

I created the Basketball teams in New York City for all the teams in the NYC metro area (as you can see on Template:NYCMetroSports). Just because a team's not in the exact five boroughs doesn't mean it's not part of the larger metropolitan area. Tom Danson (talk) 05:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Your intentions are good but that's not the purpose of the category. You cannot have St. Peter's basketball under "Basketball teams in New Jersey" and "Basketball teams in New York City". Simply, St. Peter's is not in New York City and should not be categorized that way. There's already an overcategorization plague on Wikipedia, and as editors we need to stop including articles in categories that barely, if at all, have anything to do with them. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Further points:

• "Basketball teams in New York City" =/= "Basketball teams in the New York City metropolitan area"
• New York City is a major city in the state of New York, not New Jersey, and should have nothing to do with New Jersey regardless of its close proximity
• Possibly most importantly, what you're doing is entirely original research. Where do you draw the line at which NJ teams qualify for the NYC category? What cities in NJ are specifically considered to be part of NYC metropolitan area? The Garden State Rebels are in Newark, which as you claim is part of the NYC area. Ok, says who? Where's the source that specifically states that? Even if you found one, you would need to provide a source that shows that team's city is part of the NYC area for every single team. You're just arbitrarily deciding which teams include, period. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Nemo Gaines

The stub looks fine, Jrcla2. I just made a few minor changes. (And according to Baseball-Reference, Gaines did not play in the minor leagues, so his entire pro baseball career was just those four games.) - PM800 (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:34, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK Problem

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Karateka categorization

Concerning the change you made [1]:

In 2010 the Martial Arts Project reviewed (and improved and deleted) many articles: see Wikipedia:MAAR. We made much use of the Catscan tool [2] for searching the category tree under Martial Arts. As part of the review, we made some order in the categorization. Categories are useful when they separate things. At that time, we separated all the categories of people from all the categories of martial arts. In the category of people, we added a 'see also' to point to the martial art. In the category of martial art, we added a 'see also' to point to the corresponding people category.

This scheme of categorization tries to balance the human use and tool use of the categories. jmcw (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm willing to drop the issue now that "For practitioners of karate, see Category:Karateka." is in the Karate category. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for making better order! jmcw (talk) 17:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Futsal 2015 Pan Am Games

Futsal is not confirmed as a sport for the 2015 Pan Am Games (rumored to be replaced with inline hockey), have you heard otherwise? Intoronto1125TalkContributions 19:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I haven't heard anything official, when I read that it would be played in Toronto in 2015 I assumed it was official, not a rumor. I will remove the "Toronto 2015" from the navbox until official announcement. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Just found this which shows it will be an event. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

That is based on the bid book, which was written in 2009 (using the 2007 sports). PASO still has to confirm the sport program, with usually the last sport being a sport the host country chooses (futsal 2007, basque pelota 2011). Intoronto1125TalkContributions 23:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Tagging NBA

Hey, sorry for that. Kante4 (talk) 23:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Re:FYI

You know, you're right. That wasn't really my intent, but yeah, I see how that was a bit dickish. Sorry for that. I basically thought the decade article was a duplicate of what the 2011 article was before it was converted into a redirect, and I thought we were going to be sticking with the pattern of creating individual seasons from here on out. It just seemed a little irregular as that's the first 2010-2019 article I've ever seen, and thought those had pretty much been limited to historical articles. Plus I was in a grumpy revert-happy mood after dealing with this guy messing with all the ACC standings templates. Once again, I'm sorry for the way I dealt with it. Not professional, and definitely not cool. Won't happen again. DeFaultRyan 23:41, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Social Security Death Index?

Jrcla2 - I have been creating articles for notable early national championship team members (only missing 9 articles from 1939-52). I have noticed that the link you posted on my Talk page awhile back no longer works. Do you know of another? It would really help with these older players - some of whom I'm sure have died by now. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 03:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I think the SSDI reformatted their interface, but the link I would try is this one. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:11, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nemo Gaines

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Merry Christmas

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You're right...

...this is a better redirect. Cheers for that, --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 23:29, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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