Jonivy

Welcome! Hello, Jonivy, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck or looking for help, please come to the Wikipedia Help Desk, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user talk page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers: User pages The five pillars of Wikipedia Wikipedia in eight words How to edit a page (or, the quick cheatsheet version) Help pages Tutorial How to write a great article Manual of Style Glossary What Wikipedia is not Assume good faith Wikiquette Sandbox (this page is for testing) I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, or ask the people around you for help -- good Wikipedians don't bite the newcomers. Keep an open mind and listen for advice, but don't hesitate to be bold when editing! If you'd like to respond to this message, or ask any questions, feel free to leave a message at my talk page! Once you've become a more experienced Wikipedian, you may wish to take a moment to visit these pages: Wikipedia:Community portal Wikipedia:WikiProjects Best of luck to you, and happy editing! Luna Santin 10:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Article on you

Saw this on Angela's page, and figured I'd save her a post, since it's a pretty cut and dry situation. First of all, we strongly discourage people from starting or even editing articles on themselves. Second of all, we have a policy of deleting articles that do not give some sense of why the subject of the article is notable. Your article fell afoul of both of these issues. There's probably not that much you can do about this - should someone notice your accomplishments in life (whatever they might be) and see that there is not yet an article on you, they'll start an article on you. Otherwise, Wikipedia probably isn't the right place for that information. Hope this helps, and feel free to contact me with any further questions. Phil Sandifer 22:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

File:JonIvy.JPG listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:JonIvy.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 05:09, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Hildebrand (politician) (December 5)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DGG was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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DGG ( talk ) 23:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello! Jonivy, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DGG ( talk ) 23:53, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: David Hildebrand (politician) (February 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by CNMall41 was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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CNMall41 (talk) 03:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I have replied to your request on my talk page. I would suggest NOT resubmitting the draft until the issues are addressed as doing so would be a disruption to Wikipedia. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

The page David Hildebrand is now up for deletion. You can comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Hildebrand. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:David Hildebrand (politician)

Hello, Jonivy. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "David Hildebrand".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Hhkohh (talk) 10:44, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Flojaune Cofer (July 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you might be misunderstanding what notability is. It's not awards and accolades or whether she is an "excellent human being"-- it's significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources. It doesn't matter if you think she's really "cool" or "important" in the world. The only standard is whether secondary sources have covered her. Dr. Cofer is well written about and has been the subject of published works for years. She is notable. Jon Ivy (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to resubmit. I can, however, recall countless examples where references exist, but the articles have been deleted. I do not see WP:N, you do. We disagree, but that is not the end of the world. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't "disagree" -- you have implied a standard which is inconsistent with the current consensus. If you have a explanation as to why you're saying she isn't notable, that would be helpful. The sources in the draft article alone are numerically and substantially enough to show notability--- but you could also just do a quick google search to find 50-100 other sources spanning years of dedicated writing on the subject. And so, are you saying that there aren't significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources? Or are you saying there's another standard (outside the consensus) that you think wikipedia should be upholding? Jon Ivy (talk) 20:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I have asked for other eyes on my decline. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Flojaune Cofer (July 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi-- the editor who wrote the previous decline told me to resubmit, as he made a weird feelings-based decision on notability that didn't follow the consensus and lacked any rational reasoning. He's asking others to review. It would be helpful for you to weigh in. Jon Ivy (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realise that was the case. I will revert my decline, to put this draft back in the pool.

That said, please do not denigrate reviewers. Timtrent is a very experienced reviewer of the highest integrity. None of us are perfect, but I have no doubt he acted as he felt was right. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Nowhere, Jon Ivy, have I shown you any disrespect. You, by contrast, have sought to patronise me, and now have been snarky. On Wikipedia we are asked to be civil. This means that we are asked to behave well to each other even when we feel aggrieved.

DoubleGrazing has been very kind in his character reference for me. I may have slipped, may, below my usual standard of review, or of the justification of my review, but that does not mean that you should take what I perceive as your anger out on me.

And, if you are not angry, perception is reality. I perceive that you have been. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:05, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Flojaune Cofer (July 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by SafariScribe were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

That's a hard thing to fix-- all the sources available speak positively about the subject. If it comes off as her being an awesome person, that is just the neutral facts shining through. But if you have any specific suggestions, that would be helpful. Was there a section or sentence that you could give as an example of being less-than-formal, and how it could be fixed? Jon Ivy (talk) 02:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, I see flagged the draft as not having references that show "significant coverage" about the subject in "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". What do you mean by that? The citations in the article are all published, reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject that covers the subject explicitly and in great detail-- plus, that's just the draft article, a simple google search would give you 50-100 additional "significant coverage" spanning years. https://news.google.com/search?q=Flojaune%20cofer&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen Jon Ivy (talk) 02:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)