Imad marie

Al-Husayni

Dear imad. I noted your recent edit on the Al-Husayni page. I and a few others hope presently to revise it thoroughly, since the information is poorly organised, often does not reflect the texts cited, and highly, confusedly POV. I have edited the large section drawn from Schwanitz, for that writer knowingly made light of and mocked the words in Husayni's own diary. It would indeed help if, over the next several months, you could keep your eye out, or consult a library in Amman (?) for the Arabic original of the source Schwanitz quotes, namely Abd al-Karim al-Umar (ed.), Memoirs of the Grand Mufti, Damascus in 1999 and check esp. p.126, for the conversation with Himmler. I am sure, from memory, that after citing Himmler, Al-Husayni does express surprise (perhaps he himself took this as just a German kind of political rhetorical overstatement he was accustomed to). Best regards Nishidani (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

p.s. just noticed you're, understandably, wikibonked, so don't worry about my request. No haste in these things at all.Nishidani (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Nishidani, yes I'm wikibonked, but I'd love to help making Al-Husayni article a better one. I'll try to find good references about him. Cheers. Imad marie (talk) 14:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

That's marvellous Imad. Now there's no need to rush with things like this. Take all summer (but there are better things to do over summer, so take all autumn and winter as well!) What would be helpful if someone like yourself could read his memoirs carefully, and see what in them might be helpful to round off, or, if needs be, correct, the page we have on him (it needs substantial reworking in other regards in any case). A few points however do come to mind. A close examination on his account of his relations with the Nazis during the war (one point that we need to know is what was the precise word he used in expressing his surprise/astonishment at Himmler's remark confiding to him that the Nazis had exterminated 3 million Jews. Does he say he was anything more than surprised?, for example. One text I have read, but cannot locate, (unless my memory is playing tricks) is he recounts Himmler asking him how he would deal with the Jews, and he is supposed to have replied, 'I would send them back to their countries', and Himmler said 'Not to Germany'? If this can be sourced to the memoirs it would be of advantage. He has, mind you, a huge case to answer for, and not only for falling into the embrace of Nazis. I just think we need to thresh the chaff from the text, because a lot of early writing on him did confuse his original national-patriotic resistance to the Zionist takeover of Palestine with antisemitism, whereas his antisemitism, in the strict sense of the word, appears to develop decades later, according to several sources, and should not be confused with the former defence of the watani, which was shared by a great many of his compatriots, and wholly normal. The Nuremburg testimonies are apparently fictions, but that he did embrace virulent antisemitism in WW2 seems beyond doubt. Anything on his knowledge of the Farhud or Golden Square incident would be useful. What happened after 1948, until his death in exile, is worth noting. Well, there, I've been rather exigent. Take your time, peruse the work, and anything you yourself think pertinent to the page can be referred here. No rush, think in terms of months. Thanks then for looking into this. Regards Nishidani (talk) 17:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Great work, Imad. In putting this into the text, we shall have to paste on the talk page the exact passage in Arabic that is translated, so other editors can have the opportunity to control the precision of the translation (I'm not doubting it: but I can see that many might). At the moment I'm wondering whether I read that in English. Far too many files on my HD to check quickly.In any case, this Husayni article like many is a long haul.Take your time, and enjoy the summer and wikibreak Nishidani (talk) 07:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC).

I'm just one of many nobodies, Imad, who thinks about your world, and our role in harassing it or supporting its worst features, with shame. (That doesn't mean I drop my critical guard, or make excuses for things I deeply dislike). I don't think newspapers or TV give people in your area much of an idea of the kind of conversations that take place on these issues outside of the noisy Atlantic and global commentariat. One must battle one's own prejudices before judging those of others, and our history is rife with them. Forgive my vulgarity but I once said to another wikipedian that Palestinians were a people history had wiped its arse on. I don't like standing by when things like that happen to any people. James Joyce had Stephen Daedelus say, 'History is a nightmare from which I am trying to wake up'. I hope that nightmare ends, but unless Europe assumes its full responsibilities for having created it, the prospects are not good. Best wishes Nishidani (talk) 15:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Imad I've just posted on the al-Husayni page remarks by Italy's foremost historian of the period which endorse exactly the view you cite from Husayn's memoirs, i.e. that what was occurring in these alliances was a matter of 'my enemies' enemies are my friends'. So, once we have a section on his Memoirs (at the end) we can cite, with page numbers?, these remarks, and add a note to the effect that Renzo de Felice read events in exactly this way (or we can put this reference earlier in the text. regards Nishidani (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to spoil your wikibreak or ruin your summer by adding possible dry books onto your reading list, but some Western scholars regard Abd al-Rayhman al-Ghani's, Almanya al-naziyya wa al-filastin 1933-1945, Beirut, Institute of Palestinian Studies 1995, as the best book to date on the whole complex question, involving Jewish and Arab contacts with the Nazis for that period. If you ever chance on it, perhaps it's worth a glance. Best wishes Nishidani (talk) 18:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Imad. I wonder if you could check a few things for me. I am now slowly reassembling materials to review the Mohammad Amin al-Husayni article on the crucial war years. The text alludes to his memoirs for the following passage:-

'Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours.'

I've bolded esp. the words that have to be checked for nuance. We need the page number of his memoirs, and Arabic glosses on key words, as well as a control of the translation so far given. There is no doubt al-Husayni remarked on this in his Memoirs. Historians like Tom Segev merely note that the corresponding German transcriptions of the dialogue between Hitler and al-Husayni say no such thing. It appears to be al-Husayni's invention. No hurry, of course. Thanks Nishidani (talk) 10:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure :), I'll check on it in the coming weekend. Imad marie (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Good grief, Imad! If the memoirs are that long, I've been unconscionably rude to ask you to check that quote, and I apologize. This quotation is often adduced, mostly in poor secondary sources, against Husayni. I haven't been able yet to find out who is responsible, but if, as you say, you can find no reference to it in those memoirs, then this would be highly significant. Elsewhere in the memoirs Husayni makes remarks which, as we have ascertained, distinguish his programme from that of the Nazis. The whole thing is sheer mystery at this point. I'll have to think it over and do more research before troubling you again. Cheers, and thanks for that huge amount of work in checking so far.Nishidani (talk) 08:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

My user page

Dear Imad marie,
I appreciate your interest in my user page, but I must insist that you refrain from editing it. I reverted all three of your edits to my user page. I do not edit your user page because I respect your right to put whatever you want on your own user page. I expect the same kind of respect in return. If you have a problem with something on my user page, I am open to suggestions on how to improve it. If I agree with those suggestions, then I myself will edit my user page accordingly. Thank you for understanding. --GHcool (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Be careful of ad hominem attacks

Hi there. Please be careful about comments such as the one you made at this link. First of all, Ncmvocalist and I were trying to mediate with GHcool, and your inserting yourself into the conversation at that time was unhelpful. WQA has no binding authority, but we are usually pretty good at getting people to agree to a compromise when such compromise is possible. Insulting the other editor while we are trying to negotiate with him is not going to help achieve that goal.

In addition, saying that "Wikipedia would be better off" without an editor could be construed as a direct personal attack. Whatever GHcool has or hasn't done, this does not excuse negative behavior on the part of other editors. Please be more careful about this in the future. Thanks! --Jaysweet (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jaysweet, thank you for your mediation efforts. My last comment to GHcool was only a response to his personal attack, and this is not the first time he does that. Anyhow, I'm off your conversation with him, I will not intervene again no matter what he says. Again, thank you for your mediation efforts, I appreciate it. Imad marie (talk) 05:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The latest in this old saga ..

For info. Jaakobou now seems to have come round to the idea of merging, but not quite in the same way. I have posted a note on his talk page about it. Since he'll accuse me of being uncivil anyway, I may as well come straight out and say that I think it's pretty shameless on his part. --Nickhh (talk) 12:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, So now he thinks that Reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks is a "mediocre" article that should be merged but Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks is a significant article!!

I'll keep my eyes open about this, the problem is that I moved to a new work that doesn't allow me to be here often:( Imad marie (talk) 17:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, hopefully that argument will be as transparent to most people as it is to you and I. I think his reference to allowing "sub articles" is a bit of a giveaway as to the plan. If there's any logical consistency to the proposal, it would see the Celebrations article go into the Reactions before the Reactions then goes into the Aftermath, but I'll wait to see if that's what they propose! User:Kyaa the Catlord is also now talking bizarrely about how the Reactions article is a "POV fork" of the Celebrations article, even though the former is obviously the broader article, so I guess someone will try that argument too. Anyway you're probably better off not being around if my recent experience is anything to go by - trying to make some simple improvements to English language phrasing in the intro to the Reactions article got me into 2 hours worth of talk page debate again and accusations of stalking. I'll keep an eye on what happens and make all the obvious points if it comes up for discussion, as I'm sure will others. --Nickhh (talk) 18:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, it seems there is a Wikipedia:Canvassing campaign going on now to change the vote result. Imad marie (talk) 19:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

To be fair there does seem to be an acknowledgement that they need to notify regular editors on the article if the proposal is made, which presumably and hopefully applies to those they think will oppose. --Nickhh (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Ethnic and cultural conflicts noticeboard might be helpful, given the ethnic background of almost all the objecting editors. Imad marie (talk) 19:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I take your point, but I think you/we have to be very careful with that one for a couple of reasons - it's not explicitly about an ethnic or cultural conflict, and also, well, it could be misinterpreted as saying "they're all Jews!". Which shouldn't matter, and I have no idea whether it's even true anyway. For now it seems to have gone quiet, and in any event I can't see any serious argument being put forward for the Reactions-into-Aftermath merger which is going to wash with anyone else. --Nickhh (talk) 08:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Notice

You've been noted to not remove the link to the main "Celebrations" article and yet you continue to remove it "per consensus"?![1], [2] I request that you desist from behaving in a disruptive manner and follow proper procedures rather than undermine the policies by playing revert games.
With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 10:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Notice 2

You've removed a cartoon claiming "per this PMW is not RS"[3] while that link shows nothing to substantiate your claim. Giving out incorrect, and possibly misleading edit summaries is a violation of wikipedia policies and I request that you do not repeat such an edit without achieving a proper consensus. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 10:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC) adding repeat reference, "No, see talk"[4] 16:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and report me, please. Imad marie (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I must agree with Jaakobou. Where is your consensus? I see no consensus, nor an attempt to generate it. Therefore, your summaries are misleading. Unless you can prove that you have consensus for such edits, please stop. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It's not about consensus, but PMW has been questioned twice in WP:RSN and in both times uninvolved editors gave their opinions that PMW is not RS. So IMO, no need to complicate things here and go for the lengthy consensus generation. Imad marie (talk) 18:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

But your edit summaries claim "per consensus". PeterSymonds (talk) 21:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

There is a debate here, which seems to have been moving that way at least. As per endless talk page discussion, using a cartoon as a main image which a partisan advocacy group - which by definition cannot be an RS - claim is a celebration is kind of WP:UNDUE --Nickhh (talk) 22:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My edit summery was "per this", this referring to the thread opened in RSN, I didn't claim there was consensus. Imad marie (talk) 05:34, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Merger of the subsections.

Good call. :) Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 07:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you... Imad marie (talk) 07:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Fun JIDF stuff

Just so you know, you've been mentioned in a posting at this website. (permanent link) Let me know if you experience any problems regarding this. Cheers. lifebaka++ 20:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice. Imad marie (talk) 23:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Qur'an and science-Flat Earth

Hi Imad-Marie. The reason that I did not put a source for my edits in the Qur'an and science-article, was that the article on Wikipedia about the Flat Earth and the Myth of the Flat Earth speak for themselves. And my edits linked to the last one. I do believe that a wikipedia-article is a valid source. Do you agree on that?Jeff5102 (talk) 08:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jeff,

Other WP articles are not considered to be reliable sources. Also, you need to find an RS that links (Flat Earth) theory to (Qur'an and Science).

Have a good day. Imad marie (talk) 17:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I am learning every day new things about Wikipedia!Jeff5102 (talk) 20:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Answers please

I'd appreciate an answer to the question asked. Please. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 09:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Request for involvement

According to the history of the Iran-Iraq War article, you are a significant contributor to it. Therefore, I was wondering if you would like to get involved in a discussion I have started concerning a proposal to trim some sections, and move some text back into the article. The discussion can be found here: [5]. Thank you very much if you do get involved. Cheers for reading. Terrakyte (talk) 22:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Link to 55a.net at Quran and Miracles articles

Why did you remove that link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.237.204.190 (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

There has been an old debate about that before. Please use high quality sites. Check this. Imad marie (talk) 07:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, seeing as the people there seem to come up with excuses to keep us from posting "reliable" sources, what exact requirements are needed to post an external link on the oh-so reliable Wikipedia?

Unbiased reliable sources. Islamic sources, or anti-Islamic sources, are considered to be biased sources. Imad marie (talk) 10:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

yepp

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Photo request

Hi! Would it be convenient for you to go to central Amman? If so, would you mind photographing the headquarters of Royal Jordanian Airlines? This airline needs a photo of its headquarters in its article. Thank you! WhisperToMe (talk) 21:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Currently, RJ don't have headquarters building on its own; they currently have a couple of floors rented at a complex "housing bank complex", which you can see in this pic. RJ is currently building new headquarters building, the construction is underway.

So, maybe a pic of the housing bank complex or a pic of the RJ terminal building will do? Imad marie (talk) 06:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Please get a shot of the hotel regency building. When RJ's full on headquarters is done, then please get that one too. The RJ Terminal building would be a nice extra too. Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 05:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Hello I admire your views on Israel and Palestine. Since you seem to be a good wiki user, I would like you to take a look at the article Battle of Bassorah and attempt to either neautralize it, or delete it.

As for the Quran and science - Today, some modern Muslim commentators have decided that, since the Qur’an makes no mention of the evolution of one species to another kind of species, the Darwinian theory of evolution is contrary to the teachings of the Qur’an. (However there is no basis for this belief in the Quran)

The sentence in parenthesis is valid.

Please voice your objection to the sentences that follow after that. If it was because it's not a minor edit, I apologize, it is a habit of mine to do that.--71.102.116.218 (talk) 00:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I'm assuming you are "Velanthis". Please read my reply on Quran and science talk page. Thanks. Imad marie (talk) 07:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

AIV report

Hi, I'd like to notify you of the response to both of your AIV reports.

Velanthis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) For continuously vandalizing Qur'an and science, and refusing to use the talk page or edit summaries. Imad marie (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Content dispute. Consider dispute resolution. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

71.102.116.218 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) This is the IP of User:Velanthis. Imad marie (talk) 13:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Content dispute. Consider dispute resolution. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I removed your reports because there is a constant backlog at AIV, and we need to reduce clutter. Thanks, ceranthor 14:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks. Imad marie (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The point was that this was not vandalism, but an argument over the content of the article. If someone reverts 4 times they have broken the WP:3RR rule. So they can be warned about that and then blocked. But the same can apply to those who are battling against the editor. You can also try sending a email, or seeing if the person has a real life contact somewhere else. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Do not enforce your beliefs on Wikipedia

Whether you believe in evolution or not is none of my business. Please do not undo my edits senselessly to further whatever personal beliefs you have. If you object to it, do clearly explain and provide an alternative. My edits falls completely within Wikipedia grounds.

If what you want is for me to post my reasoning on Wikipedia than I will do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Velanthis (talk • contribs) 01:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to keep reverting your edits until you start using the talk page and edit summaries. I posted a comment here which you completely ignored. Imad marie (talk) 06:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, can you add your vote for Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine Here, Thanks. Ahmad2099 (talk) 03:40, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Wikibirthday (a couple days late)

I saw from here that it's been two years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks ! Imad marie (talk) 09:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

About mediation

Since you added yourself as a lighty involved party, can you also sign up below that, indicating that you agree to mediation? Thanks. Tiamut^talk 09:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Done, though I'm not going to be a 100% participant. Imad marie (talk) 17:35, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Everyone decides how much they want to be involved as it unfolds. Thanks for the prompt response. Happy editing. Tiamut^talk 17:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

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