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Userboxes

Beware that three of your userboxes are unavailable. User oops was moved to my user page, but the other two ecology templates, I've no idea where they have gone. Hope this message is of use to you.--Saoshyant ^{talk / contribs} (I don't like Wikipedophiles) 14:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Dab page names

As Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions mentions, "The "(disambiguation)" should only be used when necessary", so there is no need to move dab pages if they don't have the "(disambiguation)". Just keep it in mind, and thanks for your work on dab pages :-) --Commander Keane 04:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Austrian-Italian Armistice

Hey Gryffindor! Months ago we talked about the end of WWI on the Alpine front. I just wrote this and thought you might be interested. Best, Tridentinus 16:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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pedigrees

You may wish to check the several genealogical trees mentioned at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greek pedigree of Empress Sisi. Maed 03:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sarah Croker-Poole to be merged into Princess Salima Aga Khan

It has been suggested that the Sarah Croker-Poole article be merged into Princess Salima Aga Khan. As an editor of the article, you are invited to discuss. -- Aylahs ^(talk) 16:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Jewish Palaces in Vienna

Dear Gryffindor: Some time ago I have noticed (with pleasure) that you have used our book "Stadtbildverluste" for a certainm number of articles on Jewish Vienna. I am now myself busy at processing the information we have gathered on lost cultural treasures for the purposes of (German) Wikipedia. Unfortunately I am finding out that we know by far too little about certain things, e.g.: Who was the owner of Ledererschlössel (= Huldenbergschlössel) before 1938 ? Who was the owner of Sickenbergschlössel in Nussdorf (my friend Kupf gives the name of a certain Hugo Stern, but was it the laryngologist? Maybe we could get in touch and work together a bit on that subject (e.g. introducing a category: "Jewish property in Vienna - before 1938"). Best wishes

Robert Schediwy 84.112.54.160 09:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Dear Gryffindor,

Did you get my message? I am not really ready to register, I prefer to remain a bystander, but I am easy to find in the Viennese telephone directory, and I have an answering machine. Would be glad to hear from you.

Yours

Robert Schediwy 84.112.54.160 08:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've found out some things about August Lederer and his Schlössel in the context of Gustav Klimt. You may be pleased to notice these things in the German Wikipedia.

Robert Schediwy 83.191.126.42 06:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

South Tyrol etc.

Hi Gryffindor, I hope you reached some kind of agreement on the naming controversy. Apologies for disconnecting off the discussion. Have a nice Christmas! Asterion^talk 14:15, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Harry Potter

RHB(AWB) 21:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC), on behalf of WPHarry Potter

the REAL name: Trentino-Alto Adige

So I did some research and checked with some pretty credible sources as to what they print, in ENGLISH, for the name of this region (and province) in Italy.

• Fodor's - a well recognized and respected name (and expert guide) has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Michelin - also expert in travel guides - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bozen".

• Rand McNally (name speaks for itself) has world, regional, and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Streetwise Map's regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Dorling Kindersley or "DK" - by far, probably the best travel guides available - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Lonely Planet (the self-proclaimed largest independently-owned travel guide) regional, and local publications show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

• Hammond Map - a subsidiary of Langenscheidt Publishing Group (a privately-held German publishing company) - has regional and local publications that show the region and local names of "Trentino-Alto Adige", "Alto Adige", and "Bolzano".

As far as proof, I am quite sure that the above sources are credible enough, especially in the sense of geographical knowledge, expertise, and English-translation. Like it, or not. Rarelibra 03:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your kind comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 21:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

--Yannismarou 20:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey May there be many summer mornings when With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable This is my assistance with anything I can help.

Elizabeth von Österreich auf de-Wikisource

Du solltest vielleicht einen Blick auf die Diskussionsseite von Elizabeth werfen. Man sieht da Probleme. WolfgangRieger 22:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Muslim World League source

Hi, do you have a citation for the material on Muslim World League: According to the German newspaper Die Zeit, the MWL tries to propagate Wahabism with huge financial backing. OR The World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) and the International Cultural Foundation of Geneva (established in 1978) are arms of the Rabita. SmithBlue 09:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Alexandra Georgievna of Greece and Denmark

Hello Gryffindor;

The naming of Russian grand duchesses is a situation with many issues to be sorted out. A conversation was started at the talk page for the naming conventions of royalty and may be of interest to you. It is certainly worth reviving. It kind of trailed off into the spellings of patronymics but it certainly can be moved back into the direction of naming formats. I am unsure as to what the article should be named. Grand Duchess Alexandra Georgievna (Alexandra of Greece) might be a possibility. Charles 19:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Juanaria was for sometime the heiress to the Brazilian Imperial Throne and thus bears it as her highest title. Margaret of Parma may be simply known as such. She would otherwise be named Margaret of Austria. She would have no premarital title because she was illegitimate. Using "of Austria" would be treating it as if it were a surname. Maybe she can be moved to Margaret, Duchess of Parma? Charles 08:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

No, not really. Marie Louise was duchess regnant and Margaret was duchess consort. Margaret's case is more like that of her half-brother John of Austria. In John's case, "of Austria" was without a title. The same is true with Margaret, although she was later "of Parma" as Duchess of Parma. It should be investigated as to which name she is best known. Charles 19:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Titles lower than Empress and Queen (Grand Duchess, Duchess, Margravine/Landgravine, Princess, Countess (Palatine), Baroness, etc) are appended to the end of the name if it is a title gained by marriage to the head of a house. If it was the title of a cadet member of the house, it would go in front of the name. In that case, Duchess Margaret of Parma would only be correct if Margaret had been married to a man who was a duke of Parma, but not the head duke. Junior members of the house, however, are titled prince or princess. In using the marital title is correct then the title is Margaret, Duchess of Parma. In not, the title ought to be Margaret of Austria (Duchess of Parma) if there is any need for disambiguation. Charles 18:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

South Tyrol

I can't understand why maintaning a wrong title to this article: the official name of the province is Provincia Autonoma di Bolzano (in English: Autonomous Province of Bolzano). See Italian Constutution, art. 116. I come from Veneto, Italy, near Trentino-Alto Adige: believe me if I say these things to you. --Checco 10:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but nobody (if not German-speaking people from Alto Adige, 70% of its population: 300,000 people) speaks about South Tyrol in Italy: the most used name is Alto Adige and remember that it is a province not a region. I can't uderstand why we have Province of Turin, Province of Milan, Province of Padova, Province of Rome and so on and we can't have Province of Bolzano. It is not logical, don't you? --Checco 10:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You do not know much things about Italy. Aosta Valley (correct translation of Val d'Aosta) is the name of a Region (formed only by a Province), so it would be fairly uncorrect to name that article Province of Aosta. Otherwise Alto Adige is not the Italian translation of Südtirol (Italian: Sudtirolo). Naming the article Trentino-South Tyrol is non-sense, believe me! If you want to translate Alto Adige in English we would use Upper Adige, but as it does not sound well, I think it would be better to use Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol (South Tyrol in English 'cos this is corect in English, while Trentin or Upper Adige would be ridicolous). We have articles with English titles when we have correct words in English (see Tuscany, Lombardy and Piedmont), it is true, but we have articles with Italian names when we haven't correct words in English (see Veneto and Umbria). --Checco 11:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I give you 2 separate answers, as we face 2 different questions and I don't want to confuse them.

About moving South Tyrol to Autonomous Province of Bolzano: In the Constitution we can read La Regione Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol è costituita dalle Province autonome di Trento e Bolzano (translation: The Region Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol is composed of the Autonomous Provinces of Trento and Bolzano). As we call every Italian province Province of XXXXX in order to not confuse it with the capital city, we need to do the same in this case. If you want you can name the page Autonomous Province of Bolzano - Alto Adige/South Tyrol, but it would be too long. So, if you want, you can decide between Autonomous Province of Bolzano (see in it.Wiki: it:Provincia autonoma di Bolzano) and Alto Adige/South Tyrol. In any case you can't consider Alto Adige and South Tyrol as translations, 'cos the Italian translation of South Tyrol is not Alto Adige (which means Upper Adige) but Sudtirolo. Thus if you use South Tyrol, you need to use also Alto Adige, 'cos they are 2 different concepts, even if they refer to the same province.

About moving Trentino-South Tyrol to Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol: You are right: se English whenever possible!!! If Alto Adige has no correct translation in English we have to use Alto Adige, not South Tyrol! --Checco 11:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed I proposed to move the article to Trentino-Alto Adige/South Tyrol, which is the complete name, using English whenever possible (Trentin-Upper Adige/South Tyrol would be ridicolous, I think you agree with me). --Checco 11:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, let's try to be logical. Here we have a province that in Italian is named Provincia autonoma di Bolzano (or Provincia autonoma di Bolzano - Alto Adige/Südtirol) and a region named Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol, as it is written in the Constitution. Why do you disagree with me? --Checco 13:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but I read them and I continue to hold a different opinion from you. Anyway, let's talk on talk pages of the articles right now. --Checco 13:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your email. Whatever the decision will be, I hope it won't dominated by politics. Cruccone 21:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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Hideki Tojo

http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Hideki_Tojo&diff=107858088&oldid=107715395

Your macron fix violated the Wikipedia Manual of Style for Japan related articles. For people we use the "best known romanization" - in this case, it's Hideki Tojo. WhisperToMe 06:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

French Dauphins

Hello Gryffindor;

How are you? I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Dauphins and would appreciate your input on the matter. Many thanks. Charles 00:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Flag in signature

Hi!

Could you please use Flag of Austria (state).svg in your signature instead of the PNG file? Thank you! --ALE! 11:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

My concern about your username (Gryffindor)

Hello, Gryffindor, and thank you for contributing to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or make you feel unwelcome, but I noticed your username, and am concerned that it might not meet Wikipedia's username policy. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here?

Your username appears to be a unique trademarked name (trademarked by J. K. Rowling), and also could offend muggles, fans of Slytherin, and people who don't like Gryffindor or Harry Potter.

I'd appreciate learning your own views, for instance your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:

• If you can relieve my concern through discussing it here, I can stop worrying about it.
• If the two of us can't agree here, we can ask for help through Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, such as asking for a "third opinion", or requesting comments from other Wikipedians. Admins usually abide by agreements reached through this process.
• If you decide to just go ahead and change your username, it is possible for you to keep your present contributions history under the new username: simply request a new name here following the guidelines on that page, rather than creating a whole new account.

Let me reassure you that my writing here means I don't think your username is grossly, blatantly, or obviously inappropriate; such names get reported straight to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV), or blocked on sight. This is more a case where opinions might differ, and it would be good to reach some consensus — either here or at WP:RFC/NAME. So I look forward to a friendly discussion, and to enjoying your continued participation on Wikipedia. Thank you again! --   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 23:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

the following was copied from User talk:JeffGent.

hello there JeffGent, and thank you for your message.

Well I am a bit surprised obviously that someone might think my username is.... controversial and warrant a discussion? As about your concern about muggles, fans of Slytherin, and people who don't like Gryffindor or Harry Potter, what can I say? The name was certainly not chosen to offend anyone. As to why I chose that name, see [1]. Some might not like Hondas such as in User:Tohru Honda13, don't like the Borgs in Star Trek as in User:BorgQueen, and is scarred of Wolves as in User:RedWolf. Should they change their names? Gryffindor 20:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, you have not addressed "your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern." In answer to your question, "Honda" is a common name in Japan, "BorgQueen" presents similar concerns, and "RedWolf" is two common words put together.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 11:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, that's silly. Gryffindor is not a company name and it is a fictional group. I wonder if someone brought the issue up when Gryffindor was voted as admin. The only thing I see is Gryffindor in his sig it's freaky because it's red like he has no userpage (I'm not saying he should make it blue, it's just well an artistic choice I guess). SakotGrimshine 13:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I like red :-) apparently it is the colour of the house, that's why... Gryffindor 15:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

the following was copied from User talk:JeffGent.

Well, I have pointed out before in my previous message why I choose that name, please read through [2]. I basically identify myself with the values of the House of Gryffindor. As to alternative names, I would probably choose something that sounds similar. Why are you asking me why I chose that name? Gryffindor 15:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I asked why you chose that username because it appeared at the time (and continues to appear) not to meet Wikipedia's username policy, via infringement of a trademark of J. K. Rowling. I became aware of your choice through a similar choice by what appears to be a different person using the same username on Commons. Since you have not addressed "what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern", and you continue replying on my User talk page despite specific instructions not to (at its top), I think it is time to ask for help.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 18:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

We have lots of users with Harry Potter-derived names. I don't see a serious objection to this username and I would urge Jeff to drop the matter. Newyorkbrad 18:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no username violation here ... We have all sorts of fan-based usernames, and there is nothing inherently wrong about that (I am thrown of by the red - but that's a person choice). -- Pastordavid 19:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Jeff G. I did not see that messages should be posted only on my own talk page, please don't go off assuming the worst of me. I normally respond on the respective talk pages as is normal on the English-language Wikipedia. As to your concern, again of course I am not interested to infringe on any copyright, however I saw no harm when I chose that name and you are the first one who seems to have a problem with this. When I was elected as sysop it seemed to be no issue either, and about 80 users cast their vote if memory serves correct. My assumption is that it is from a mixture of French and fantasy-speak (Gryffin d'Or). I am not intending on changing my username, thank you. sincerely Gryffindor 10:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverting

Although the admin rollback tool is extremely useful and quick, it is imperative that you do not use this tool and instead provide an edit summary anytime you revert things that are not obvious vandalism, even if you think you have explained yourself well before. This and this are unacceptable. —METS501 (talk) 01:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

French princes

Hi Gryffindor;

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#French princes revisited. Would you care to comment? Thanks. Charles 10:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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Meran

Dear Gryffindor,
could you please move

• Merano to Meran

I think there is practically consensus on place names of South Tyrol, see Talk:Bolzano#Please_move_back, the only one opposing it being ex-Taalo. Thank you in advance. --PhJ 14:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I've just noticed that there is already a straw poll, and I agree with your opinion. Best regards and happy Easter,
PhJ 17:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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Henrietta Anne Stuart

From the history of this page it is obvious that the title of this article is contentious. Therefore your recent rename of Henrietta Anne Stuart to Henrietta Anne, Duchess of Orléans without trying to find a concensus first is improper. I had opened a discussion on this subject on the Talk page, and the proper thing to do is state your opinion there and give others a chance to respond before actually moving it. JdH 04:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

hello JdH,

thank you for your message. I reverted your move because I thought it needs to be discussed first and it was not in compliance with Wikipedia rules on nobility. I think we better discuss this topic on the talk page of the article itself, instead of going back and forth between our talk pages, is that ok? sincerely Gryffindor 09:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes that is OK with me. I reverted the page to its original name, basically because people had done an inappropriate cut & paste move of that page, without even mentioning on the talk page why that move was made in the first place. Therefore, I first repaired the damage done to that page, reverted the name to its original, and started a discussion on its talk page about the naming issue. JdH 13:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Henrietta Anne (and another question

Hi Gryffindor;

I have posted my first thoughts on the matter. Also, could you look at Prince Alexander of Hohenzollern and Prince Alexander of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen? They redirect to each other! I moved the latter back to the former (Sigmaringen was dropped) and it appears that Stijn Calle has been messing things up again. Charles 20:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Sometimes I just wonder how someone can mess something up like that. But then again, it's expected of someone who insists that The Prince of Hohenzollern is also the Heir Apparent to and the Crown Prince of Romania! If you need further clarification of my views on Henrietta Anne, just let me know. Charles 20:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Royal dukes

Royal dukes, to me, are in a category all of their own. It is one thing to give ordinals to the titles of non-royal nobles, but to me, in history, royal dukes are notable enough in their own right that the enumeration is not necessary. In fact, it is something that I do not desire. I don't think it is necessary to add "Orléans" at this time. At the very least, there is a discussion at WT:NC(NT) that ought to be revived on the matter. Charles 19:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday, dear Gryffindor!

File:Birthday.gif

On your day, I wish for you Favorite people to embrace, Loving smiles and caring looks That earthly gifts cannot replace. I wish you fine and simple pleasures. I wish you many years of laughter. I wish you all of life's best treasures. I wish you happily ever after! Happy birthday, dear Gryffindor! Love, Phaedriel 21:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

File:Birthday.gif

You're most welcome, sweetie :) Mine is July 29, so I still have a couple of months before I worry about my next step towards the dreaded moment ;) It's great to see you again btw! Love, Phaedriel - 16:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Listing WikiProject Film admins

Hello. There is a discussion about listing administrators on the Film project. If you agree or disagree, or just want to add your two cents, please comment here. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 23:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Stuart

It seems that when Elizabeth of Bohemia was moved to Elizabeth Stuart, the talk page was left behind at Talk:Elizabeth of Bohemia, and the new talk page left as a redirect to Talk:Elizabeth Stuart (disambiguation). I have cleared the latter, but cannot do the move. Could you, please ? -- Beardo 12:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - that was what I thought was needed. -- Beardo 00:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Help with Italy

Hey Gryff - haven't talked to you in a while... I've been busy with work, school, and military training. I am having a difficult time explaining to User:Supparluca that the names listed on the Provinces of Italy website are not the capital city names for the provinces, they are the province names themselves. He is insistent upon continuing to change the name(s), and offering the explanation that they are capital city names. Can you help me educate him? Thanks! Rarelibra 17:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's South Tyrol all over again. I tried to protect those that come in to Provinces of Italy and change it to "Bolzano", then I myself was changing it to reflect the proper English name from the provincial website ("Province of Bozen-South Tyrol"). So now Supparluca was first insisting on that the list was capital cities (not true), and that the popular name should be Bolzano (which we also know is not true). Like you, I've tried to continue forward and have posted a few new maps on Commons - Latvia and Turkmenistan. I'm working on Romania, Bangladesh, and a few other subdivisions... but it is a daily thing with Supparluca. Rarelibra 15:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Province of Trento

There's a vote, there's a majority. I'd say we should go ahead, and if anyone wants to object they'll have to get another vote. Much like Meran, a move you know I wholly support :D. Best, Tridentinus 17:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Tridentinus. :) Rarelibra 18:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

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Meran

You should not have moved on the basis of a poll in which you !voted, even if this were consensus, which I deny. Province of Trento is even worse; 5-4 is not WP:CONSENSUS; even if this were a vote. Would you be interested in Mediation? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

It may be a reasonable compromise to leave the first line Meran; if you insist, and nobody else objects, fine by me. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Please reread Talk:Communes of South Tyrol. There was agreement that we were not attempting to override WP:UE where there is reasonable evidence of English usage; that would be, IIRC, Bolzano, Merano, Brixen and Brenner; we were providing a stopgap for the numerous communes in which English preference was not clear, since the normal default to official usage doesn't work in the Autonomous Region. Frankly, if there had not been English usage on this town, I would not have signed on to the compromise. Meran's population is divided 51-49; most communes have majorities in the 80's or 90's. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, we had a poll in both cases. In both cases, they came out 5-4. Stremonitis closed one of them, correctly, as no consensus/do not move; the other should have been closed the same way - and both should have been left where they were. In any event, you, as a strong advocate on one side, should not have closed them, or done any move at all, even if consensus appeared; some one else (presumably Stremonitis) would have. Please move Trentino back to Province of Trento, and we'll say no more about it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

My proposal remains: follow English usage, where we can tell what it is. For Merano, there is enough evidence to decide this; and I believe that Merano is present English usage by a substantial margin. I remain unimpressed by the worry that we are following 49% of the population instead of 51%. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Whether there is clear English usage for Merano is a question of fact; IIRC from the discussion of this, the current encyclopedias concur on Merano, which is one of WP:NCGN's tests. But new evidence is always welcome. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Merano

I didn't move Meran to Merano: it was an administrator. Please do not post on my talk page anymore.--Supparluca 17:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding this, which poll result did you refer to? I ask because the strawpoll on the article talk page appears to have resulted in a move to Merano. Peacent 17:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear, I didn't scroll down enough to see that poll, but is it closed yet? (It doesn't seem to have been archived like the previous polls) Also, it appears to me that there is still an on-going discussion. Are you sure it's not a premature decision to move the page? Peacent 18:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Gryffindor, I must say I'm not happy with the way you first interpreted a poll result that was clearly "no consensus" as if it was a consensus to move, then effectively called a close on the poll although you had initiated it and voted in it yourself, and then used your admin powers to protect your interpretation of the outcome. Bad use of admin tools there. I'm inclined to unprotect and reverse your move. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the poll result was very clearly "no consensus", with strong arguments against moving, so the natural thing to do is to leave the page where it was that moment. And since another admin had already moved the page back, you should have left it to others to decide instead of repeating your controversial move. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd strongly advise you should definitely refrain from taking any further admin action on this article yourself, for the time being. In any case, looking closer into this, it turns out that you have even move-warred up to 3RR over this! I hadn't noticed that earlier. One move on 31 May, and then three revert-moves in quick sequence on 3 June, reverting three different other editors. And then protecting your version. That's pretty bad.

Just for documentation:

• 31 May, 15:16, First move
  • 2 June, 17:42 User:Anthony Appleyard moving back
• 3 June, 14:19, Second move
  • 3 June, 15:13 User:Pmanderson moving back
• 3 June, 17:26, Third move
  • 3 June, 17:28 User:Supparluca moving back
  • 3 June, 17:28 protection
• 3 June, 17:34, Fourth move

I'm going to revert this move again now and I have to notify you that I'm prepared to enforce 3RR against you if necessary. But I trust you will let this rest now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Please see my comments on the article talk page, where I've now formally closed the poll. Your suggestion of moving back to the old double name seems not viable, because if there was one thing that the polls showed with a large majority it was that this double name was clearly rejected. Going back there would be the worst solution possible in terms of consensus. The choice between the two single names was apparently a narrow call back then, I haven't worked out who made it and with what rationale, but the current state of affairs is clearly as good as any other so I'd seriously recommend everybody give it a rest now. Let it go. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment needed

Hi Gryffindor;

How are you? I have posted on the admins' noticeboard twice about the same situation and have not received any comment. Would you mind taking a look at it? Thanks! Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive814#Harassment by Tfoxworth. Charles 18:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gryffindor, thanks for the message. Tfoxworth does indeed exist and only edits in "bursts" of activity that will last a while and then he will go dormant for a while. The post on the noticeboard contains a number of links with differences between edits, dates and so on as well as evidence of him using at least one IP address to continue his disruptive behaviour. I would say it is vandalism; if not, it is certainly harassment. He also created a subpage to an article in an attempt to insult me or something, but all of those details are contained at the noticeboard in my post. Thanks for your attention thus far. Charles 18:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gryffindor! The issue seems to have quieted down, but I have preserved my complaint at User talk:Charles/Miscellany if you would like to review it. I feel the issue may come up again. A person I suspect is Tfoxworth or someone he knows (I vonH or something like that) actually requested "mediation" with me, but it was peppered with insults such as calling me a vandal. It was, of course, rejected. Sometimes I wonder what's going to come up next. Maybe another unwarranted 3RR write up, a post on the noticeboard, who knows! >;) All I know is that my report went totally unnoticed to those who check the noticeboard regularly. Charles 14:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Governorates of Egypt

I'm having a problem with a user who keeps enlarging the map to a size that is too large and overbearing for the page, especially with lower resolution screens. The user is insulting and verbally abusive with me, and continues to revert the page back to have a huge map. Can you help? Rarelibra 14:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Gryffindor, I believe Rarelibra is referring to me. I believe his above message is a preamtive measure, which he thinks may protect him from the responsibility of beginning an edit war with me, and from verbally insulting me in the first place. I tried explaining my point of view to him, and even conceded to many of his wishes. Yet, he did not make attempt to make any compromises in return. Instead, he openly stated he will engage in an edit war, as per the following quotes from him:

• "I'm afraid I will insist upon keeping the page the way it is now - since it is very presentable and decipherable"
• "I have corrected your actions. I will continue to do so, since you seem to lack the understanding for proper editing of this article"
• "If you continue to mess with the article and make incoherent changes, I will continue to change it back to what are correct edits"

Some of his insults and personal attacks, which can be found in the history of my talk page as well as on the talk page of the Governorates of Egypt page, include the following quotes:

• "pipe down"
• "If it is an "argument" you are looking for, look in the mirror"
• "you are obviously negative (or closed) minded"
• "I will have you blocked if you continue such"
• "cease now before it gets serious for you"
• "I enjoy your juvenile accusations"
• "My conversation was started to correct you incessive actions"
• "grow up and stop your attempts at sabre-rattling"
• "you feel so inept and have such a low self-esteem as to continue to attempt to offer up accusations and insults. It reflects as to the type of person you are, really"

I am sorry to bore you with all the details, I am sure you have more important things to deal with. Yet, I felt that random accusations by the above-mentioned user must not go unanswered. Thank you for your time, and I hope you could help with this issue if you have time. --Lanternix 16:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

And seeing how Lanternix is stalking me by following me to your page, I don't think I like his actions there either. Rarelibra 16:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Lanternix - do you think you can be allowed to post the above without looking at your own actions? Here you go:

• "I will keep changing the way the page looks..." (thus, also initiating an edit war)
• "I will keep in mind that you need an extra amount of explanation to understand what people mean"
• "Go the extra mile next time in trying to understand what people mean and what they do"
• "Do you change your mind depending on the weather?"
• "my problem is not with the size of the map, but rather with the size of your brain"
• "Are you embarassed that your intelligence, or lack thereof"
• "next time you begin a discussion, make sure you have the guts to take it to the end."
• "any change that restores my points of objection... will be reverted."
• "As for the confusion, it was all yours, and it was indeed you who were moving things around in a random manner" (this was actually YOU moving the map)
• "... once I feel I am talking to a grown-up, not a kid"
• "Relax dude, I will change what I want to change when I want to change it. I don't take orders from you, so you can save yourself the efforts of telling me what to do and what not to do" (this is the best one, basically where you state you will do whatever you want when you want).

Rarelibra 16:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I never denied the fact that I insulted you in response to your initial insults, as opposed to you, who came here crying and claiming I insulted you without mentioning who started the edit war and the personal attacks. Sorry Gryffindor for spamming your talkpage with this. --Lanternix 16:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: your removal of information from South Tyrol

That information was already there, if you read carefully, and I readded it with my revert. In your edit there were also some wikilinks to redirect pages, like Trentino, so, basically, I considered it a disruptive edit.--Supparluca 17:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Val Passiria

Yes I know... the same old, boring conflict Italian vs German name, but I think in this case i have the Naming Conventions on my side. Maybe you're interested, Mai-Sachme 16:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion, but the discussion unsheathed that Passeier Valley seems to be more common than Passeiertal. So I decided to change the request according to this result. If this fact should change your voting, please amend it. Mai-Sachme 17:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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South Tyrol

Hi Gryffindor, I stopped contributing to South Tyrol-related move discussions because I'm increasingly frustrated by all the nonsense and so-called NPOV arguments used in them. It feels like an enormous waste of time, and I decided that I have better things to do. I still support the outcome of the "communes of South Tyrol" discussion, BTW. Markussep ^Talk 13:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

ANI thread about your move wars

Hi Gryffindor, somebody has brought up an ANI thread about you at WP:ANI#Unilateral move. It currently appears you did some rather questionable things there: First, you used your admin privilege in moving a page over a redirect with a history, when you knew that move was unilateral and would be controversial. Then, you continued move-warring, plus, you employed the dirty trick of "scorching" the resulting redirect so as to make it impossible for the other side to move back ([3], [4])

I remember I once warned you before to not use your admin privileges in conflicts to which you are a party. Now you did it again, but partly avoided formally using your admin bit (by using the redirect-scorching trick instead). I'm not sure which is worse. I generally consider redirect-scorching a blockable act of disruption in itself. There's an Arbcom precedent about it somewhere too. I must strongly warn you:

• to refrain from any unilateral page moves in the field of South Tyrolian geographical naming issues in the future,
• to strictly refrain from using your admin privileges in any related actions,
• and to refrain from using redirect-scorching in any form.
• I very strongly recommend that all page moves in this contentious area should be done only through the mechanism of WP:RM, and by an uninvolved admin.

I'm going to revert that page to the status quo ante (whichever that was, I haven't checked), and I expect that it will stay there until some consensus to the contrary has been reached. Thank you, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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and again South Tyrol

Hi Gryffindor, sorry for my late response, but I was busy in the last week. To keep it short: I'm not interested in long discussions, I think everything has been said and I'm kind of disgusted with the behaviour of some disputants. But if there should be a new poll, I'd vote for South Tyrol. Mai-Sachme 17:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Topkapi palace

Under the header "Court of the Sultan's Consorts and the Concubines" you added the sentence : "It was constructed which underwent restoration after the 1665 fire is the smallest courtyard of the Harem." This makes no sense to me. Can you look at it again ? Cheers. JoJan 08:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

South Tyrol

Sorry for my late answer (I was in Switzerland..) I'm absolutely for the usage of the name "South Tyrol" because it's the only correct English name this region could have.. Why did you send me the special version for Italian nationals? Hehehe. Bye. User:Skafa/Sign 23:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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Emperor Juntoku

Emperor Juntoku, from the Ogura Hyakunin Isshu.

In 2005, you added an image of Juntoku-tennō's tomb.

In February 2007, another editor added an image from the Hyakunin Isshu to this Japanese emperor's page. ...link to web page showing multiple images of Japanese emperors and empresses (in Japanese)

Jefu has now removed that art. I am certain that I would like to undo his deletion edit, but I suspect that this potentially provocative action would need to be well-informed. Jefu is a lawyer in the Tokyo office of a major American multi-national law firm. My experience with this editor in the past leads me to believe that has the inclination and skills to enjoy Wikipedia disputes. I don't. Without more, any argument in support of restoring the Juntoku image can be dismissed as naught but a personal preference. Do you see my point? Do you perhaps know anything which may be relevant here?

In my view, the art image was not meaningless -- rather, I thought that this image (and its counterparts from the same source) are appropriate, valuable supplements to the text.

This trivial issue becomes somewhat urgent because it is reasonable to anticipate that Jefu will probably make similar edits to articles about a number of other Japanese emperors. Perhaps this might become a problem in the making ...?

Do you have any constructive suggestions to offer?

The following from the page history may refresh your memory of what you yourself did:

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Revision as of 12:23, 30 September 2005 (edit) (undo) Gryffindor (Talk | contribs) (add image)

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Tomb of Emperor Juntoku and Emperor Emperor Go-Toba, Kyoto

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• (cur) (last) 12:35, 19 September 2007 Jefu (Talk | contribs) (5,200 bytes) (Remove essentially meaningless picture) (undo)

As for that specific photograph of the Juntoku tomb, I have a curious question.

As it happens, a National Geographic guidebook for tourists says clearly that Juntoku is buried on Sado island.

Is it possible that there is a mistake in the caption?

Or could this be his an "official" tomb in Kyoto, as contrasted with the actual location of the former emperor's interment? --Ooperhoofd 18:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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