User talk:Freewayguy/Archieve 4

Shields and templates

Could you enlighten me as to what you were seeking to accomplish with this edit? Why would the shield be 'okay' at one size but not the other? —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 23:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

• Because recently Kansas seems like neutral shield display to me. Because numerous Interstate 135 shields is missing state name shield as well as Interstate 335 and I-235 ones. Missouri and Arkansas still mainly state shields, however they are recently trying to avoid state shields. Many sections and metropolitans of Missouri and Arkansas still display state shields. I California most of the new display still continues on installing state shield. I was on the Interstate 880 and I-580 this summer, all the shield I saw is state shields. But when I went on the 5 to get back to Los Angeles I found the shields between Modesto and California 99 is missing state shield. The 5 is also missing state shield morth of Vacaville. Arizona, New Mexico and Iowa continues to install state shields.

--Freewayguy^Comm 90 20:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

• • We can't go on what 'seems' to be the case, or 'trying'. Please take a close look at Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources before doing more work in this area. Missouri (and I think California) still includes the state name shield in the DOT's official sign drawings, so just like Oklahoma, any neutered shields that have been posted were posted in error. To locate the official sign drawings for most states, you can use the MUTCD website. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 01:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Sources on Interstate 980

Please do not change years like you did; I added a reference that shows it as 1981, and is more reliable than cahighways. Cahighways is incorrect here. Thank you. --NE2 21:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I-880

You may want to ensure that your comments are clear; I can barely understand what you're saying much of the time. Non-junctions do not belong in exit lists. --NE2 21:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Interstate shield

Then which site you found from Kansas still generating state shield? Error is usually only found on few shield only. Like over this summer I found one nuetral shield in East Oakland area. Still in California the last revision of state shield is 2007. You said they post at least 2 recent state shield on Kansas that makes me thought they are made on purpose not on accident. The unique neutral I-580 shield is just made on accident. Like The CA-134 shield is paint white background in North Hollywood is made on accident. Then when is the last install KS shield on Kansas?Did Oklahoma as well make new state shield after 2006? --LAFreeways (Conf) 01:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if Oklahoma is actually posting neutered shields or not, all that matters is the one reliable source that we have – the ODOT sign drawing – requires that the state name be included. Thus, any shields posted without it are automatically errors. (Same situation for Missouri.) And there's no real place in Oklahoma where new shields are going up. I do remember that some state name shields by my house in OK were mauled by a truck, and they were replaced by brand-new state-name shields, but that was a few years ago. Every shield made by ODOT (not contractors, though) has the manufacturing date stamped on the bottom, so I might take a survey of shield dates and see what I can find.

As for Kansas: KDOT is so cloak-and-dagger about its operations that we don't even have access to the documents; the only way we actually got a standard document for the is that someone bought a copy of the standard from them and made a shield. I suppose if it really matters we could inquire with KDOT as to which is "correct".

(You might be interested in hearing that any California shields with white backgrounds actually aren't errors - back in the day, stand-alone California shields looked like this, while those on freeway signs were white-on-green like they are today. FHWA told Caltrans that the shields had to be the same color everywhere to make things less confusing, so they posted a few white-background shields on freeways, before deciding it would be cheaper to just make all the stand-alone shields green. So white-background shields can be found occasionally, but they're pretty rare.)

Oh, and don't forget - departments of transportation are made up of different divisions (ODOT has eight field divisions) and different divisions might do things differently. So what the standard is may vary depending on what part of the state you go to. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 02:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Multiple of Southern Califronia freeways

seems like many of multipe of articles needs clean-up. Because they are freeways they don't need junction list. The junctions has no problem fitting in junction on nfobox. Plus control cities needs to be remove too, and year establish is triplicate. --Freewayguy^Comm 90 02:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Arkansas and Maryland

Seems like Arkansas and Maryland is still generating state shields. Or maybe ARKDOT AND MDDOT no longer specifies state name in state document or those state shield is made in error. Well the map shade those states blue. I think in Maryland they suppose to stop generating state shield. The newer Interstate 370 does not have state name on the shield. But Interstate 97 made in 2005 for some reason still print state name shield. In Arkansas I-30 and Interstate 430 still have state name shield. Barely any neutral shields there --LAFreeways (Conf) 17:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I-710

We don't need 7-10 junctions; that's a maximum. The south end of I-710 is at SR 47 on Terminal Island; see [1]. --NE2 18:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

• Ive been on the 710; usually around East Los Angeles and coming home from West San Gabriel places. --LAFreeways (Conf) 18:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

• • Look at the sign; I-710 goes to Terminal Island, not the Queen Mary. --NE2 19:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I-174

I-174 has not been seriously considered by anyone; the only place the number appeared was in a bill that did not pass into law. The North Myrtle Beach Connector is not a freeway, and cannot be I-174. --NE2 19:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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Could you please give a reason in this AfD? Just giving a blank link to the article's talk page isn't enough. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)