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Format Change for the Cathedrals

I have sitting on my PC a format change for the cathedrals. Instead of having one long table, the archdioceses would be separated yet still sortable. If you look at the List of Catholic dioceses in the United States, that's what it would look like. It makes it easier to edit/update since you don't have long scroll past other cathedrals. It's almost what was the page looked like before we started adding pictures and maps. This is what the page looked like before our edits, [1](it's the Spanish Wikipedia site). Tell me what you think since were the ones who have done most of the work on this page... Roberto221 (talk) 00:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Roberto221: I was thinking the same thing this past week and worked up a possible change myself. I got the idea, in part, from the England and Wales cathedral page on English Wikipedia. (The county courthouse lists here in the US was another inspiration). I used the Dubuque Province as an example and its on my sandbox. I've been meaning to contact you, but one thing lead to another and I didn't.

I should be in Des Moines next Friday so hopefully I can get some interior photos of the cathedral there. It's a downtown church and it used to be open during the day. Hopefully, that's still the case. I was going to get some interior pics of the Raleigh cathedral in October, but it looks like I'm not going down there now. I'm planning to be in New England in December and I'm going to try and get into the Worcester cathedral, or possibly Fall River. I doubt I can get to both. Farragutful (talk) 01:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Farragutful: I like how you put the Archdiocese/diocese Coat of Arms in it. Here's what it looks like on my sandbox. Tell me what ya think.. Roberto221 (talk) 07:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Roberto221: Here are my thoughts on the update.

1. I question the need to make the list sort-able, especially given that the provinces will be separated making the page easier to navigate visually. Because they are separated, there is a link to each province at the top of the page. Having said that, I would remove the provinces name on the chart (the far left column). This seems redundant.

2. Technically, the provincial map is unnecessary on a list article like this, but I like it. It gives a visual as to what the province looks like geographically. I tend to think spatially so this helps me to organize what I'm looking at. I would make it the far left column.

3. I've noticed a lot of list articles like this put the images first, which is why in my update I moved them to the second column. I'm not wedded to this, but I did it for the sake of continuity. The former cathedrals are already organized this way.

4. Because this is a list of cathedrals, it makes no sense to put this information last. The name/link should be upfront. Again, the former cathedrals are listed this way.

5. I saw the diocesan CoAs on the England/Wales list for the Anglican dioceses and thought it looked good. Not necessary, but I think it makes a nice addition. Again, the name of the diocese comes after the cathedral/church name on the former's list.

6. I also like my addition of the See city and coordinates. There are users who like to map these places out, and the coordinates do that. The "GeoGroup" template provides a map link at the top of the page. In several dioceses we need to differentiate which city the cathedral is in, especially the Trenton Diocese that has a co-cathedral but its municipality's name is not in the diocese's name. However, I think it's useful for all of them. Again, other list articles provide the city's name and coordinates and I think it would be nice for this one to do so as well for that continuity.

7. Finally, I like the continuous chart that you have created. It gives it a nice, unified look.

Let me know if there is anything you want me to do. Farragutful (talk) 14:35, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

@Farragutful: OK, so let me get this straight: Map, Image, Cathedral, Diocese and City+State(ex. Anchorage, Alaska; Atlanta, Georgia). No Sort. What about putting the small CoA in front of the diocese name? The coordinates are on the individual cathedral pages but it can be done. BTW, your ping didn't notify me, I just checked and saw the message at 4 this morning..

Roberto221 (talk) 09:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Roberto221: I have no idea why the ping didn't work. But back to the business at had, yes to your question about the lay out. I like the CoA. I think we should include it. Farragutful (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

@Farragutful: Finished..sandbox Roberto221 (talk) 09:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Roberto221: Looks good to me. Farragutful (talk) 16:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Roberto221: I just updated the list with new photos of the Des Moines cathedral. I tried to update it a couple of days ago by editing the Dubuque Province, but when I tried it threw the table off. The new photos were there but for some reason the formatting was completely undone. I tried again today and this time edited the whole page and it worked. I should note I was able to get inside the Bellwood, Illinois cathedral and when I updated that table last week it worked just fine. The problem seems to lie in the table of the Latin Rite dioceses. I have no idea why this is the case, and what can be done about it, but I thought I should let you know. Farragutful (talk) 19:52, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I was having the same problem. When I was preview a section, everything is out of wack but when it's posted it looks fine. I think it has to do with the placement of the "colspaces=5" command. I'll copy over into my sandbox and play with it...Roberto221 (talk) 00:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Farragutful: I've been playing around with the table on my sandbox for a couple of days and I couldn't find a solution to the problem after trying various iterations to code changes. The one solution I came up with involves creating 35 tables each with its own header which would display the table correctly when you "Preview" it instead of one long table which would not let you display the table correctly when you edit it by section but would let you do it if you edited the whole table, which defeats the purpose on the format change. I aware of this problem when they reformatted the diocese page a couple of years ago. There still might be a solution out there, I just have to look at pages with tables..

Roberto221 (talk) 21:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Cathedrals page

Just to let you know, I updated the Spanish version of this page Anexo:Catedrales católicas de Estados Unidos so that it looks like the English version. It was under the old format of a text list(no color, a couple of pics here and there..)Roberto221 (talk) 22:09, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

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Uploading images to Commons which aren't mine

Hi, how's it going? Have you uploaded images onto Commons that you didn't take but were on another public forum? The reason is another user suggested that I can probably use images from A View from My Seat to swap out some pictures from the List of Major League Soccer stadiums page. Is there a procedure/process? This is the conversation I had: Talk:List of Major League Soccer stadiums#MLS stadium images

Roberto221 (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Roberto221: Yes, but I've only uploaded photos from others off of Flicker, for which there is a link on the upload page on the Commons. I looked at A View from My Seat and saw that all images on there are listed as "Creative Commons — Attribution 3.0 Unported — CC BY 3.0," which is supported on the Commons. All you need to do is upload an image as though it were your own, but then click on "This file is not my own work" and fill in all the pertinent information in the fields. Put the photo's URL in the "Source," put the other person's user name from A View from My Seat in the "Author(s)" field, and then click on "Creative Commons ShareAlike 3.0." After clicking "Next" at the bottom of that page you fill in the required fields on the next page as usual. Click "Publish files" at the bottom of that page and you should be good to go. I hope this was helpful. Farragutful (talk) 16:43, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Farragutful: Once again, you DA MAN!!! I've already swapped out some images on the baseball side, now I have to pick out images for the soccer side. Thanks again for the help...

Roberto221 (talk) 21:51, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

@Roberto221: Glad I could help. Farragutful (talk) 23:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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not clear this file is licensed to be used by the original author Darth Stabro (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep From what was relayed to me by other users, as long as I used the Creative Commons 3.0 license and gave credit to the owner of the image, it would not be in violation. Did someone misinform me? Roberto221 (talk) 22:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Do you need the owners permission? User:Darth Stabro is a priest for what its worth... Roberto221 (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

The owner is the one who needs to license it under Creative Commons. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 00:30, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Roberto221: This is the legal page on the "From My Seat" website. It clearly states that all photos are Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported. Simply put, that means that anyone can share and adapt the material as long as they give proper attribution. All that is required is that you must give the originator appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if any changes were made. If you make any changes you have to give it the same license. The originator does not need to grant permission. You have the right to copy, distribute and transmit the work, even for commercial purposes. The license itself clearly states that. I cannot tell you how many times someone has used one of my photos for commercial use. Never once has anyone ever explicitly asked my permission. (I would gladly give it, but to be honest, I don't need to be bothered.)

The fact that Darth Stabro is a priest is completely irrelevant. However, he is correct that "(y)ou can't merely take images from the Internet and then give credit." By uploading works under an appropriate license the originator is, in fact, granting his or her permission. Farragutful (talk) 00:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

@Farragutful: Once again, your help has been valuable and I Thank You for that. You and yours have a wonderful Holiday season in case we don't talk before the year is over..

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@Roberto221: Thank you, glad I could help. I hope you have a good holiday as well. Farragutful (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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St. Joseph Pro-Cathedral

Hello,

So do we move it to the Former Latin Church cathedrals section?

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@Roberto221: No, from what I can tell it was never properly a cathedral, i.e. it never had a cathedra. Immaculate Conception has always been the cathedral, but it's quite small. The diocese used St. Joseph for large scale liturgies at one time and gave it an honorary title. They rarely use it for that purpose now, if ever, but the title continues on if for no other reason than to differentiate it from a Polish parish church of the same name. Farragutful (talk) 12:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

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DMV Catholic stuff

Only just realized how proximate you are to me given that you took some pics of the recently renovated Arlington cathedral. Let me know if you ever want some sources on DMV Catholic stuff, especially from the Dioceses of Richmond and Arlington. I've recently found myself in a place that allows me increased access to their published materials and I'm hoping to plug that stuff into articles. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti: Thanks. I appreciate the offer, but please do what you can. I’m still trying to get all the Arlington photos uploaded. Hopefully tomorrow. Farragutful (talk) 00:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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