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Archive 1 Jan 2006 – June 2011

Was very impressed with your thorough and accurate history of our family publication, Music Trades. One small error however. Brian Majeski graduated from Lawrence University, Appleton, WI. Not St. Lawrence.

Thanks. Don't want friends and fellow alums from Lawrence to think I'm disavowing them.

Brian Majeski — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briannajeski (talk • contribs) 00:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

John Anderson (Cal Scale)

This article, which I gather you're mostly responsible for, is kind of a mess. Could you take another look and see if you could make it more like other biographies? For example, the material under "Obituary" should be covered in the rest of the article. Overall, it's usually best to organize biographies chronologically. The material on his wife and children is probably excessive. The subject should be referred to by his last name, unless in the context of discussing other family members. Let me know if I can help.   Will Beback  talk  21:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Bill Blakeley

You do have a point, the list entries are by themselves decent prose. If one removed the bullets, they might even work as a prose, albeit with a rather bad flow. Still, the article's structure looks odd compared to similar sports biographies (or, indeed, biographies in general), as it mixes biographical facts, achievements and statistics. Perhaps {{Cleanup-reorganize}} is a better fit? GregorB (talk) 10:12, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Well that's nice

Thanks for spiffin' up Marlene VerPlanck. Very nice work. All the OCLC stuff is very useful, and the additional refs and other stuff too.

If you wanted to go for a DYK we could share it. Something about singing the M'm M'm Good Song might be interesting. I'm not big into to DYK and probably won't bother myself, but it might make a fun tidbit. Herostratus (talk) 04:35, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Bonnie Baker (singer)

Are you planning to integrate the material you've contributed on her personal life with the material that I originally contributed on her career? The article looks a little messy and confused as it is now, so I'll be happy to do some tidying - I don't want to get in your way though. Do you know whether she was actually born Nelson, or Underhill? Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:18, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Morris Levy

Do you have a source for the edit where you added Cynthia Brooks as a wife of Morris Levy? Or that he divorced her in 1961? 842U (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very useful information... at least for the article's TALK PAGE. It's odd that Frank Dannen, in his book Hit Men, said Levy was married four times, whereas Levy himself referred to five marriages. 842U (talk) 11:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You seem also to have information on where he divorced his first wife Patricia (1954, Dade County, FL)... what was her maiden name, do we know? 842U (talk) 15:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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I suggest that you format your new article(s) primarily as prose, not as timelines or lists. --Orlady (talk) 13:14, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:UNT Music

There is also considerable precedence not to add a silly long list of alumni. At least split it of to a separate template, fix the links to disambiguation pages and remove useless disambiguation like [[William Basinski|William Basinski]]. It is enough to write [[William Basinski]].

You have also added a list of alumni with articles on other Wikipedias. That is an absolute nono. Write the article or red link them. But you can't use a link to another Wikipedia.

And the second nasty comment: make sure all article wikilink to the university. During a quick check I noticed that that is not always the case. The Banner talk 18:55, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Fair comments. The Alumni list is unique in that it is tightly connected to the template topic. The heft of the institution stands atop the alumni, far more than the faculty. The template is ideally suited to quickly communicate that point. About 25 to 40% (my guess) of that list is astoundingly notable. The ability to quickly view it in the template serves as a composite snapshot — a public review of the college's total work. It is akin to showing a discography for an artist. On the interlanguage stuff — I red-lined the names. Eurodog (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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New York College of Music

Nice work on expanding this article!4meter4 (talk) 04:22, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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Bubba Kolb

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There'll Be Some Changes Made

I took out your reference to Benton Overstreet being a pseudonym of Billy Higgins, as it is clear from other sources (see those articles) that they were separate individuals. But, do you have any information on "William Blackstone"? Was that a pseudonym of Higgins? There are plenty of sources that say that Higgins co-wrote the song with Overstreet, but also other sources which say that Overstreet wrote it with "Blackstone". Clarification is needed! Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:55, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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1. I'm not sure why you're so gung-ho about using "refbegin" on everything. I've never seen this anywhere on wikipedia.
2. Your referencing/citation style is very unconventional. Not sure where you've seen this. Every ref I've seen has the "group=lower-alpha" coding after it. I can't find documentation on it but I believe it is preferred to use the referencing style that will produce numbers and not letters. Perhaps, if you have not, refer here: WP:CITE and the manual of style: WP:MOS
3. The use of the borders is extraneous. I would advise against using them. As well as listing addresses per WP:NOTDIRECTORY.
4. Seemingly, anything more than 40em does nothing. I would recommend perhaps using 30em, for 3 columns. This is how I found your account. I went through and searched wiki to see articles that was using this coding and found a number of pages done by you. So I decided to look at your contributions.
5. I find a lot of formatting you've done is very difficult for the reader. For instance, Puchito Records discography. Everything should probably go in tables. It's very messy. Look at other discography pages if need be. I don't know if any record labels that have their own discography page, by the way. They have categories, like this
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Cotton Club Boys

I'm aware that was quite some time ago, but back in 2007 you wrote an article on the Cotton Club Boys. Today I tried to find additional references for that page and came upon [1], [2] and [3], all of which refer to a group of male dancers, not to some sort of band. Are those different groups? And is the band really notable? I have trouble finding any information whatsoever about it beyond "it was in Omaha", plus content that seems taken from us. Huon (talk) 19:12, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Moved it (see Cotton Club Boys (territory band)). As for the Cotton Club Boys connected to the Cotton Club Parade of the uptown Cotton Club, and later midtown Cotton Club, an article would be useful. A separate one would be nice for the Harlem Club Girls, too. Eurodog (talk) 16:34, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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Phyllis Lynne

Hello Eurodog - I just wrote an article for Paul Pendarvis, who is linked from your page User:Eurodog/sandbox82. Just thought I'd let you know; hope you find time to move that one to mainspace someday. Chubbles (talk) 08:33, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Helene Fuld College of Nursing

We were editing Helene Fuld College of Nursing at the same time. I may have zapped one or two of your edits. If so, sorry. It's probably easier for you to restore your changes than for me to figure it out. —Anomalocaris (talk) 01:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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I agree that the disambiguation page (having only 1+1⁄2) topics) is not merited. Would it simpler if the person who created it (me) initiated the deletion process using a ((tl|db-u1)) template? — Eurodog (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ollie Potter

Was Ollie Potter a blues singer or a jazz singer?
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She was, reportedly, an excellent blues singer who sang with jazz musicians. Blues, in her heyday was, in many ways, at the advent of jazz (not New Orleans). Looking at it from the flip-side, many serious jazzers, even today, are often mostly blues players. Moreover, many singers during the 1930s and 1940s specialized (torch = ballad; rhythm singer = swing; crooning; etc.) and some bands carried two or three singers to cover styles. Strictly speaking, tho', the jazz discographers / sessionographers list all singers who recorded with jazz musicians, and, by association, those listed are typically treated as jazzers. Ollie is listed on two dates in Tom Lord's sessionography.

"Reportedly" is another word I suggest dropping. Reported by whom? When, where, and is it accurate? There's a difference between blues and jazz. There's a difference between blues singers, jazz singers, and traditional pop singers. Al Jolson may have acted in a movie called The Jazz Singer, but he wasn't really a jazz singer. Neither was Ray Charles. The number of jazz singers is actually small. Singing with a jazz musician doesn't make one a jazz musician any more than being in a room with a surgeon makes you a surgeon. The expansive instinct interferes with accuracy.
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Disographies

You're making this much more difficult than it has to be. For example, the James Chirillo article. Why all the detail? Why do it your way rather than how the rest of Wikipedia does it? If you want work to do, there's plenty on the Cleanup Listing. Title of album, label, and year is sufficient for discographies. Don't put where the album was recorded in the discog. Please try to avoid the "as of" template. Don't use the header "Select discographies". ALL Wikipedia discographies are select discographies, and who are you to select? I see people use it to inflate the discographies as a means of promotion and praise. Don't add catalog numbers. Don't link the labels, musicians, venues, cities, etc. multiple times. Link them once the first time they occur. Don't put links or footnotes in headers. Don't link well known cities, states, countries, and geographical areas. Don't use horizontal lines. Don't use div col for only two or three items; use it only for a very long list. Keep in mind that readers have screens of different sizes. Less information is usually better. It's not a contest to see who can pack more information into a discography. Ask yourself who are your doing this for: the general reader or yourself. Ask yourself who the audience is for articles. This post may come off as excessively critical. But I see the same mistakes over and over. Editors need to do a better job of cooperating if any progress is going to be made. The most important part of an article is not the discography.
Vmavanti (talk) 14:26, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

With Chirillo, I don't don't harbor a strong preference either way; tho', I find it nice to be able to see it all on mobile devices. But with Puchito, more specificity is helpful in untangling the catalog, given the cross-border re-issues. Eurodog (talk) 20:36, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Jazz albums

I've been passing this around. I hope it helps. Some notes on articles about albums.

Infobox:

• Omit "in" before the place the album was recorded
• "Recorded" is for a date (April 1, 2000)
• "Studio" is for the name of studio, with a city next to it (Abbey Road Studios, London)
• "Venue" is for the name of a venue, with a city next to it (O2 Arena, London)
• Omit "Records" or "Music" and pipe the label. (Decca American release is preferred.
• Every album has either a studio where it was recorded or a live venue. After filling in one, delete the other rather than leave it blank.
• If you aren't using the Alt field, delete it
• Omit catalog numbers
• Omit space before and after slash mark.
• You can line up the equals signs, but it's not a rule. I think infoboxes are easier to read when they are lined up.
• Avoid the use of ALL CAPS in nearly all instances. On the internet ALL CAPS means SHOUTING.

Lede:

• Don't count albums. Don't list the album count of the musician. Don't write "the fourth album by" even if you are certain.
• Albums are released by labels, not "through" labels or "via" labels or "on" labels. For the most part, musicians don't release albums. Labels do. Musicians record albums. Labels release albums.
• It's not "on the Columbia label" or "through the Columbia label". "Columbia" is sufficient.

Sources:

• Don't use Discogs.com or Amazon.com as sources. Click on my name for more information about this subject or read the relevant Wikipedia documentation.

Personnel:

• "Personnel" in the header, not "credits"
• Any information you use has to be sourced. This goes for everything you add to Wikipedia. Everything. Don't add unsourced information.
• Don't mimic the formats in the credits sections of AllMusic and Discogs.com
• Don't enter track specific information for musicians, like "track 7" or "1,2,3" like Discogs.com. You can't use Discogs.com as a source.
• Don't enter "photographer" "composer" "arranger" like AllMusic. The musicians are the main thing. If you want to enter production information, do it in a separate section.
• All you need to enter is name first, en dash, instruments lowercased, not bracketed, commas between instruments, no periods, no parentheses with track numbers
• Sort instruments by: leader first, brass, woodwind, keyboards, strings, bass, drums, percussion, vocals, backing vocals; within each (more than one trumpeter, for example) sort by last name
• En dash is formed with the option key and the hyphen key (on most keyboards, option to the left of space bar, hyphen to the left of plus sign)
• Em dash is formed with the option key to the right of the space bar, while holding shift (directly above it) and they hyphen key. A three-key press.
• Make sure you know when to use the hyphen and when to use the en dash or em dash.
• On Wikipedia, the en dash gets used a lot, so you might as well learn it.

One more thing:

• Always keep the reader in mind. Always keep your audience in mind. The reader doesn't know what you know. The reader is different from you. Don't write to please yourself. Write for the common reader. Readers don't always like what you like. Readers don't always think the way you think.
  Vmavanti (talk) 02:06, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Linc Chamberland

As in other encyclopedias, reference works, and web sites, Wikipedia tries to maintain a consistent form. That's why there are templates and standards for organizing information. This makes it easier for everyone. Would you change the Linc Chamberland to resemble the other discographies and articles on Wikipedia? Thanks. I apologize if you already know this. This is not a put down. All you need is this:

• "Discography" header. Not "Select discography" or "Selected discography" or "Works"
• If necessary, use headers for "As leader" and "As sideman" (or guest)
• Album title in italics
• If necessary, add co-leaders (not sidemen) and the word "with" next to album title.
• Sometimes it's hard to tell if someone is a co-leader or sideman. Album cover might help.
• Parentheses, label, comma, year of release, closed parentheses
• Link and the pipe the label on its first occurrence in the list
• List the albums in ascending order (past to present)
• Use release dates, not recording dates
• Omit details like "live", "reissued by Columbia in 2001", or "dedicated to his mother"
• Omit catalog numbers and matrix numbers
• Omit chart positions and awards
• If the information seems important, find a way to enter it in the body text of the article instead of the discography
• Songs belong on album pages, not discographies or discography articles.
• Use Discogs.com as a reference for help but it can't be used as a reliable source (for citations, footnotes)
• Under sidemen section, sort by last name
• If there are more than two albums with the same leader, group them together
• If there is only album with the leader, put those singles in a list under the bold typed title With others
• Use bold type for sections with more than two albums
• Don't put Wikilinks in headers around the names of the leaders. It will make the table on contents at the top very long.
• Concentrate on getting the facts right first. Worry later about columns and other pretty things.
  Vmavanti (talk) 18:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Ways to improve Tim Schuller

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Eugene Williams (jazz critic)

Could you explain the "selected works" section of the Eugene Williams article? I can't make sense of it. Thanks. Tom Reedy (talk) 00:44, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The article is about a jazz journalist. To me, it makes sense to point out some of his work. The listing shows the timeline and subject of his work. In particular, it points to his advocacy in the development of part of a jazz era and genre, as well as a development in jazz journalism – and, it credits him for helping the resurgence of Bunk Johnson. The mention of others, such as Skippy Adelman (recognized by some as one of the finest jazz photographers, albeit a void of findable references) might interest some. The listings, in my view, are notable, if for no other reason, as potential go-to bibliographic sources for other articles, herein. That said, I'm not hardcore about anything in the article. If you feel strongly that some of it is unnecessary, I'll happily volunteer trim or edit it. My guess is that the listings probably need some clarification – to show the relevance. – Eurodog (talk) 14:07, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Jack Lathrop

I just noticed all the hard work you're putting into Jack Lathrop. Thank you! 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:48, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

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Lynching of Irving and Herman Arthur

I have responded to your query on my talkpage -- Thats Just Great (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Jack Lathrop

I would like you to follow the format of the rest of Wikipedia when it comes to jazz articles. If this person is a jazz guitarist, why isn't he in the jazz project? The article was created nine years ago. Jack Lathrop was done with painstaking care, which is a nice change, but in a format that differs from other articles. I can make a long list of what needs to be corrected, but I suspect you already know some of them. I see no advantage in including OCLC links. One disadvantage is that I have to explain to IP editors the difference between these links and embedded links and proper references. Many times they either don't get it or don't care. It's difficult to get people to add references to articles, though this is something all of us learned in school a long time ago. I don't see know why there is an unsourced section for "compositions" (most of us call them "songs"), or why they are divided into pretty columns, or why there is a copyright "C" sign in each one. I don't know why there is an unsourced section about Family that reads like it was copied from a genealogy site. Wikipedia is not a genealogy site. I don't know why there are "br"s in the code. Or why there are so many headers and sub-heads. I don't know why matrix numbers and catalog numbers are included. I don't know why "as of" has been used when that's merely setting up someone else for work that's not necessary. I don't know why there is a "movie section" when he appeared in only one movie, as a guitarist in the Glenn Miller band. Have you ever read the rest of Wikipedia, and does it matter to you what what the rest of us are doing? I suggest you click on my name and read my User Page for more help.
Vmavanti (talk) 15:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

OCLCs are a quick and easy lifeline for locating sources; and, they amalgamate other locating tools – digital links, LCCNs, and ISBNs (not the other way around) – it's better than sliced bread. Songs" vs. "Compositions" = "tomato" vs. "tomato." With respect to using cols. vs. tables, I've built a lot of tables, and, at your urging, have been doing it more. But I am dissatisfied with the appearance and functionality of tables on small, mobile phone screens. When using cols. style, the br code helps. – Eurodog (talk) 16:14, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

You can't accomplish what you want with regular citations? I've seen v. few articles with OCLCs, and what you are linking to at the Lathrop article isn't exactly vital or informative. I can't imagine why you feel it necessary to print the copyright sign other than it's fun. Tables at my urging? Doesn't sound like me. Ah, mobile phones. I don't own one. They are one of the curses of the 21st century. It's nice that you want to accommodate phone users, but really, who cares?
Vmavanti (talk) 23:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I looked at again, and you didn't change anything. Those aren't citations. They are embedded links, and they should be removed or turned into proper citations. Delete the copyright signs, delete the OCLC numbers. One sentence paragraphs. One sentences sections. Why? Why so many sections? I assume that you are following the format of a discography from a book or magazine that you read. Please use the format of Wikipedia, Wikproject Jazz, and all the other articles here. Keep it simple. Wikipedia is not a catalog for jazz collectors. You are wasting your time and everyone else's. Cheers, mate.
Vmavanti (talk) 00:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

The OCLCs aren't intended to be citations. They are resources that oft' provide more complete info and, for other researchers, locations. OCLCs for recordings are the best thing since pecan pie. – Eurodog (talk) 00:57, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Sez who?
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Hi Eurodog, can you expand a bit on his works? Since his works have garnered significant critical attention, it would be nice if you could write about it and also add a bit to the lead. This should indicate clearly to the readers why he is notable. --Ashleyyoursmile! 17:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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William Cole disambig

The purpose of a disambiguation page is to help the reader. The reader. The reader needs only enough information, quickly and clearly, to distinguish one term from another. When one reads a name on a disambig page, one shouldn't have the thought "But he's also this" or "He also did this" as though some great moral wrong were being corrected. The information is brief and limited for good reasons. The disambig page, like the lede of an article, isn't the place to list everything a person is or has done. Specificity is the whole point, not an insult. It's fast and useful. Ambiguous, open-ended praise isn't especially moral, and it's irrelevant to Wikipedia. It's slow and obfuscating and it reflects bias. Maybe it sends a thrill up your leg to say "African-American scholar" especially if the name in question is an idol, friend, relative, or symbol of all that is Good and True. My aim is more modest: to separate one term from another to help the reader. I can do it with two words: William Cole – jazz trumpeter, William Cole – jazz trombonist.

On the subject of disambig pages, we have some rules of thumb.

• Try to avoid creating categories with only one or two items. Try to make three the minimum. Why? Because I said so? No. Because every header, every indent, stops the reader's eye, interrupts his attention, slows him down. Just like more information slows him down.
• You chose to use as a header "Business and commerce". What exactly is the difference between those two words? Can one settle for "business" as on all the other other WP pages? Or do you suddenly know better than the rest of us poor slobs?
• Why "public service" instead of politics? Because it sounds noble and gives ootsy good feelings? Can one settle for "politics" as on all the other other WP pages? Or do you suddenly know better than the rest of us poor slobs?
• A person who is a professor doesn't automatically earn the title "scholar", a term that in America is a sign of distinction. One can be a professor without being scholar, "professor" being a descriptive term (with levels of professor) and scholar being an opinion. It isn't the job of WP to tell people who is distinguished and who isn't, who has been and naughty and nice. How about keeping it simple, like "professor at University of Whatever"? Of course, if the article is lousy, that makes it the disambiguator's job harder. The article William Cole (scholar) is a trophy case of foggy prose and terms unknown outside of hilly English hamlets. Few people are familiar with "inducted to the first portion of the rectory of Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire". Then we have "collated to the rectory of Mersham, Kent, by the Archbishop of Canterbury". More constipation. "he was installed prebendary of Westminster". Am I supposed to know what that means? And "received the degree of D.D. by the archbishop's diploma at the archiepiscopal visitation at Canterbury" and "presented to the vicarage of Shoreham, Kent." He married, but he "left no issue".

ok Eurodog (talk) 18:45, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I can see why you were confused by this entry. To me, it's not even written in English.
Vmavanti (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

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References

Hello - I appreciate you work to improve the references in USS Utah (BB-31), but I'm confused about why you keep adding extraneous details like the birth and death years of authors, or postscripts describing an editor. I can't think of a single reference guide that recommends adding stuff like this. Parsecboy (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I was attempting to (i) rescue links or locate better ones and (ii) show the status of author(s) (b-date and/or death-date) for identity purposes – for those who like to know the source. I'll cool-it, tho'. You're doing excellent work keeping things in order – Eurodog (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

In my personal notes, I identify the author, which can serve to give more credibility; to wit:

1. Martinez, Daniel (interviewer); transcribed by Cara Kimura, October 17, 1999 (December 7, 1998). "Oral History Interview #267 – Clark James Simmons (1921–2017)" (PDF). "USS Utah, Survivor" (PDF) (oral history). USS Arizona Memorial National Park Service Oral History Collection. Honolulu. (81 pages). Retrieved May 6, 2021 (Daniel Alan Martinez, born 1949, since 1989 – and as of May 2021 – has been Chief Historian at the USS Arizona Memorial of the World War II Valor in the Pacific National Monument) {{cite book}}: |first1= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: postscript (link).

– Eurodog (talk) 20:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

If you can find references for that stuff, it might be an indication that we should have articles on them - that's probably a better way to collect that information. Thanks for fixing the dead links, by the way. Parsecboy (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

With respect to the cite attributed to Jerry W. Jones, Jr., I would prefer using his PhD dissertation, if for no other reason, it is accessible online (his book is not). By including his DOB, readers can determine that his is not the son of Jerry Wayne Jones of the Dallas Cowboys. For me, it's helpful to know that he is on the faculty at a university. Yet, I don't think an article on him is necessary.

1. Jones, Jerry Wayne (born 1964) (October 1995). "Chapter 6 – Sentinels: Battleship Division Six at Berehaven, August to November 1918". "U.S. Battleship Operations in World War I, 1917–1918" (PhD dissertation). Denton: University of North Texas. Retrieved May 7, 2021 – via UNT Digital Library (the author is currently, as of 2021, Professor of History and College of Arts and Sciences Dean at Texas A&M – Central Texas){{cite book}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: postscript (link) OCLC 222366399 (all editions).

– Eurodog (talk) 20:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Here are two more examples of offering info on the author:

1. Lenihan, Daniel J[ohn], ed. (1989). "Chapter II: Historical Record – USS Utah – Salvage". Submerged Cultural Resources Study: USS Arizona Memorial and Pearl Harbor National Historic Landmark. Santa Fe, New Mexico: Southwest Cultural Resources Center Professional Papers No. 23, Division of History, National Park Service, U.S. Department of the Interior. p. 35–50. Retrieved July 21, 2013 – via Google Books (Lenihan, an underwater archeologist, now retired, was the founding Chief of the National Park Service's Submerged Cultural Resources Unit – now the Submerged Resources Center){{cite book}}: CS1 maint: postscript (link) OCLC 27299238 (all editions).
2. * Cressman, Robert J[ames] (born 1950) (1981). "Utah". In Mooney, James L. (ed.) → in association with Commander Richard T[homas] Speer, U.S. Navy, Retired [1928–2003] (ed.). Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships (DANFS). Vol. Vol. 7 (of 8). Naval Historical Center, Department of the Navy. pp. 421–424. Retrieved June 26, 2019 – via Google Books (Cressman, a principal writer for DANFS, beginning with Vol. 7, joined through a Federal Summer Intern program in 1976. Attribution of his authorship of the "Utah" entry is shown on subsequent web versions → see url link → The book version of Vol. 7 is also accessible via Internet Archive at link) {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help); External link in |postscript= (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link) CS1 maint: postscript (link). LCCN 60-60198, OCLC 867228168 (all editions).

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Sue Raney

I would like you to rewrite the Sue Raney discography so that it matches the format of the other discographies in the jazz project and in Wikipedia. This also applies to the reflist. Thanks.
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Functionally and visually, it's fine the way it is. Creating a table for a tiny discography is clumsy and unsightly, IMO. I've done plenty of discog tables – and respect consensus of how to do discographies. But no one seems to be concerned about how awful the tables look and function on certain platforms, most mobile device O/S, in particular. With respect to long discogs, tables are beyond disfunctional on iPhones and the like. Maybe I should be more involved in the discussion. With that said, if there is a super-strong, wide-disagreement, I will do it. But if it's just you and a couple of others, I'll pass. – Eurodog (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

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Eurodog, can you please cut down on the number of empty fields and unnecessary parameters in those citation template? Thank you. Drmies (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I was leaving them open to either (i) fill later or (ii) delete later. But, to keep things tidy, I'll trim first. – Eurodog (talk) 20:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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This edit seems to do little more than change the citation format used in the article for Queens. This appears to violate WP:CITEVAR. Is there a reason why the citations are being systematically changed? Alansohn (talk) 01:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there are few reasons. Mainly, many of the citations link (and deadlink) to dynamic data that requires updating and maintenance. It was/is my aim to organize the citations to make it easier to do so – and, perhaps, zero-in on specific references, with more specific page numbering, etc. Massively referenced data is tough to maintain. The final step, which I have not done, is to change it to a Harvard notes-references format. To that end, the citations, among other things, work much better on mobile apps, not to mention large screens. My objective, initially, was to fix and improve a few citations. But, while doing so, I realized that there was a bigger task. Before converting to the Harvard notes-references style, I need to figure out how best to suppress, or conform, the auto-citations attached to one or two tables. With that said, I am certainly open to reverting the style back. But, I would like to suggest trying the new style, first. Categorizing the citations were done, in part, to help fix many of them, which included removing duplications. Harvard style or not, the categories don't need to stay, but, it occurred to me that keeping it would help future editors not only maintain and update citations, but also use them to improve the article. – Eurodog (talk) 13:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

There is ample clean-up needed of citations in many articles, but changes to citation format without consensus violates WP:CITEVAR. There is plenty of justification to add or combine references, but there is none to justify changing the citation format, no matter how worthy you think your goals are. Alansohn (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Fair 'nuff. I will not proceed witih the Harvard style citations and will restore the original format, as best possible (within a week or so). Eurodog (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll commence when you say "OK." – Eurodog (talk) 12:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I restored the original citation format. Let me know if it looks OK. – Eurodog (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Lou Nolan (artist)

I note your extensive use of Scott stamp catalogue numbers. About 10 years ago there was a long discussion about the use of such numbers and being copyright to their authors See this, it was felt that minimal use would be ok, but more extensive use should not be made of them. You have used Scott stamps numbers extensively for each stamp noted. I suggest you remove them. ww2censor (talk) 15:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll fix, hopefully, early in the week. Feel free to commence, if you have time. Eurodog (talk) 22:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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