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Hi, Eothan. I restored your edits per this request. However, please don't use block letters for titles. Can you change them back to normal? Thanks. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 13:46, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
will do Eothan (talk) 00:36, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
Excessive information on images and external links
editHi, Eothan! I notice you are adding somewhat excessive amounts of information on images and external links, see MOS:CREDITS and WP:ELCITE. Generally the principle is to add a caption (for images) or commentary on external links sufficient to explain the image/link in terms of the article content. It is expected that meta-data for images is held on Commons and that can be obtained by clicking on the image. So for John King, we just need to say it's John King and give a date if possible and name the place, circumstances etc if it has any relevance e.g. "John King receiving his award from Queen Victoria in Buckingham Palace, 1860". The fact that the image comes from the State Library of NSW isn't really of any relevance to the article; this information should be (and is) on Commons and doesn't need repeating. Similarly, in the Burke and Wills expedition article, I think would be more appropriate to say "Drawings illustrating the Burke and Wills exploring expedition crossing the continent of Australia from Cooper's Creek to Carpentaria Aug 1860-June 1861 by William Strutt held at State Library of New South Wales", as clicking through to that link will provide much of the other detail you have included. The point of contributing is to enhance the reader's understanding of the subject matter rather than to promote the source of the material. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Kerry (talk) 02:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Kerry, take your point but I have noticed many cultural institutions are credited on commons uploads to wiki pages ie. Pablo Picasso and closer to home Burke and Wills where there are:
Eugene Montagu Scott, Natives discovering the body of William John Wills, the explorer, at Coopers Creek, June 1861, oil on canvas, 1862, State Library of Victoria which links to the library not the catalogue record
William Hodgkinson, Bulla, Queensland, watercolour, 1861, National Library of Australia. Hodgkinson briefly joined the Burke and Wills expedition at Swan Hill, and was a member of two relief expeditions. Bulla depicts the Victorian Relief Expedition in armed conflict with Bulloo Aborigines.
George Washington Lambert, Burke and Wills on the way to Mount Hopeless, watercolour, 1907, Bendigo Art Gallery
John Longstaff, Arrival of Burke, Wills and King at the deserted camp at Cooper's Creek, Sunday evening, 21 April 1861, oil on canvas, 1907, National Gallery of Victoria
Edward Jukes Greig, Arrival of Burke & Wills at Flinders River, oil on canvas, 1862, State Library of New South Wales
Nicholas Chevalier, Memorandum of the Start of the Exploring Expedition, oil on canvas, 1860, Art Gallery of South Australia
I was thinking that in someways it does make sense to show readers about which institution and which country the images are held in without making them move to another page? Have you had this discussion with other intsitutions?
The extra descriptive content I added to give readers a fuller description of the content held in an album or manuscript collection thinking this would allow users to decide whether the content was worth their following up or not. I am happy to shorten if you think this doesn't add to the usefulness of the entry. I have to say I have been adding updates as they come up as a part of my research here at work so hope this isn't complicating things. Cheers Geoff. Eothan (talk) 03:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- I agree the Burke and Wills expedition article is full of bad examples of captions (and I have noted it in my list of things to clean up), but "two wrongs don't make a right". Your caption "Robert O'Hara Burke by William Strutt" is more acceptable than most of the captions of artworks in that article, which appear to emphasise the artist and the institution over what is being depiction. In photo captions, it is allowed to give artist credit if they are notable artists. Pablo Picasso is different as he is an artist and the images are of his works and the galleries which hold an artist's work form part of the information about the artist himself. His greatness as an artist is demonstrated by his works being held in leading galleries. The policy on captions is pretty clear and I do outreach work all the time with libraries including with the State Library of Queensland (who have donated tens of thousands of images to Wikimedia Commons) and am a member of the Wikipedia and Libraries User Group steering committee. The question to ask yourself is "do I know more about the Burke and Wills expedition because I know that image comes from the SLNSW or because there are 3 oval windows?" and I think the answer has to be No. The naming of the institution is more useful in the external link, as that is helpful to the reader to decide if this external link might be worth viewing, but again the policy is to be "brief" in the commentary which should address the relevance. Finally we do not put external links in the body of article or in photo captions (only as part of citations and in infobox fields that specifically ask for a URL). You might find this helpful Wikipedia:GLAM/Getting started, noting some of the "key questions". Kerry (talk) 04:44, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Kerry, have changed the captions and from now on am presuming captions referring to institutions only viable if the fact an item is held by a cultural institution promotes the status of the creator or if the actual painting/photo was notable enough for a page in its own right ie if the Guernica image was to appear on a page about the town it would not refer to the institution. Cheers Geoff. Eothan (talk) 05:00, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well that is how I would interpret the policy, but as it happens, the article about the town does include the institution. Kerry (talk) 05:37, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
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Just by way of education (not criticising you), the use of an infobox is to describe the *topic* of the article, so it wasn't appropriate to add the infobox declaring this was the article about Sydney. So only add an infobox if it is directly about the topic. But I could see what you were trying to do (add a map), so I did it using the fields of the library infobox template that specify coords and specific a map on which to display coords (you could have a map of NSW or a map of Sydney or a map of central Sydney as the base map if you preferred -- the latter looks quite nice). You might well ask at this point "how was I supposed to know that?" to which my answer is "you probably couldn't" as documentation isn't one of our strengths :-( Even if you go to the documentation Template:Infobox library you will see the field "coords" described but not see any mention of the "location_map" field. I confess to looking into the source code to find out what field did the map selection since it wasn't documented but I figured there probably was a way to generate a map. If you are wanting to make maps in infoboxes, the base maps available to you are listed at Category:Australia location map templates. You use the part of the name after "data/" so use "Australian Sydney central" as the location_map field to see a much more local mapping of the coordinates. Never be afraid to ask, it's often the only way. One place often worth asking questions is the Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board. Most of the people who "hang out" there are experienced Australian contributors and familiar with contributing on Australian topics. Or in this case, you might have asked at Template talk:Infobox library. Kerry (talk) 05:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
That's excellent - I had a play around with trying to do this but you are right every-time I tried to add a map direct into the info box it failed. The idea of a central city Sydney map sounds good if there is one already in Wikimedia Commons. - thanks Kerry Eothan (talk) 06:22, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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Legacypac (talk) 19:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)Well done on Frederick Burnell!
editHowever, your links to Daka and Hull need to be disambiguated (i.e. there are more than one Daka article and more than one Hull article). I find it useful to display such links in orange by turning on:
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which makes such things easy to spot. Kerry (talk) 22:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Kerry - taking a while to learn the tricks of the trade - thanks for helping Eothan (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Gosh yes, there is a lot to learn. I've been here on-wiki since 2005 and I still learn new tricks from time to time. When not sure how to do something, please feel to ask me or ask at the Teahouse. Kerry (talk) 05:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
TA! - much appreciated - the more I do the more I feel this is the future for scholarship - I hope the wikiversity and humanities section gets a champion as I think this could really change approaches to research and publication particularly within the GLAM sector. Eothan (talk) 05:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
- Well, as it happens, there is a new initiative in this area, see WikiJournal of Humanities which complements WikiJournal of Medicine and WikiJournal of Science. WikiJournal Humanities is looking for people interested in submitting and reviewing articles as well as people interested in roles as journal editors and editorial board members, so maybe you can help be a driver of this change. Kerry (talk) 06:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
I had a look at this a few weeks back and registered my interest & that I was OK to peer review but activity seems to be limited at the moment. I am sure there are all sorts of reasons but it would be great if there could be a focus on highlighting a role for this perhaps as a scholarship or funded wiki activity to kick start it. I have too much on my plate but am happy to support an initiative in this direction. Eothan (talk) 06:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
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- Apologies - yes there was a message saying edits had been updated at the same time and I didn't realise I had deleted the other messages. Sorry. Eothan (talk) 01:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
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editI've seen that other view a lot, but I'm convinced it's not Glebe Island. Water level is too high, hand rails are different, road off the end is wrong, I've not found it yet, but I'd like to be convinced of where it is Dave Rave (talk) 22:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'd be happy with Bridge Rd Glebe over the park back when it was a swing bridge, hmm, I have pics of that with a mound bridge, but let's say looking east up the hill into Pyrmont Dave Rave (talk) 23:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- perhaps Cooks River Dam? Eothan (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- it has been suggested this is the first bridge at Richmond, NSW. Any thoughts? Eothan (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think this is the Richmond River Bridge - the image in this article seems pretty much confirm it. https://www.hawkesburygazette.com.au/story/3225258/road-history-is-both-long-and-windy/ Eothan (talk) 05:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- that view of the dead/dying old bridge does look good, also the Pyrmont Bridge looks similar but I doubt it would have a bare hill behind when the city is there Dave Rave (talk) 05:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- our bridge looks to be two spans wide, three verticals, the remains of the richmond bridge looks to be three spans wide, there's four sets of piers, but looking and emailing Kurrajong Comlery Historical Dave Rave (talk) 06:10, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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- This was not my intent, I was tidying up the layout and all I did was rearrange the content and add a panoramic imaage of Brisbane from 1872. I did not delete any content from the page except a minor rearranging of words of a caption? Eothan (talk) 00:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- You've destroyed my work, do I go on the Sydney page and trash your history article? No, so don't come onto my cities page and trash mine. Go and fix the mess you made.--Caltraser5 (talk) 00:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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- All back to your old layout - apologies if it caused any issues for you. Best. Eothan (talk) 01:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry for the outburst Eothan, but I thought you were a troll trying to destroy the Brisbane history section. I didn't mind the panorma but I don't know why you went and deleted the convict images, and the other 19th century images. If you want to contribute to the section you're welcome to, as I'm the only person who's really done anything with it. But I'd rather you not delete the convict images unless you can suggest a better format for them. I based that section off the Moscow history section which I thought looked good.--Caltraser5 (talk) 02:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Edits on Peter Nicol Russell
editHello! I have been substantially reworking Peter Nicol Russell as part of a university project. Firstly, thank you for your interest in further improving the article. I have noticed that you have added back the image of workers assembled outside the P. N. Russell & Co works. In your caption you mention that Russell himself is depicted in the image, however I have been unable to find evidence to support this. Are you able to either revise this edit to update its accuracy, or otherwise insert where you found that Russell is depicted in the image?
Also, I just wanted to check what the protocol is with inserting images in the article. In Talk:Peter Nicol Russell#Feedback from Rangasyd, they mention that they converted the images to thumb size as it is unnecessary to have images any bigger since this distracts from the eye. I tend to agree with Rangasyd, so are you happy for me to revert these changes?
Thanks! Chasseur99 (talk) 23:23, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Absolutely I just thought it help given the level of detail in the picture- as to pn Russell I can take this ref out - I thought comparing his portrait image and the fact he was centre of the image in top hat was enough to make the call. But if you have been doing research and say it isn't will update caption and wikicommons upload. Nice article by the way. Thanks. Eothan (talk) 23:29, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for not getting back sooner but not a problem at all. Thanks for having a look at this! Chasseur99 (talk) 01:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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George Baron Goodman
editHi Ethoan, wonderful work on George Baron Goodman for which I —and no doubt many others — are grateful. The references and pictures are particularly helpful and the narrative engaging. You may be interested in reading David Coombe's article on the person he calls George Barron Goodman. Thank you, and I look forward to reading more of your work on Wikipedia. Jamesmcardle(talk) 22:55, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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