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Your GA nomination of Kampoeng Rawa

The article Kampoeng Rawa you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kampoeng Rawa for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of TLSuda -- TLSuda (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

1940s film

There's 14 articles on 1940s films, currently at GA status. You've got six of them, and provided there's nothing wrong with your other current nomination, it'll be 7 of 15. (That's of course ignoring how many are now FAs.) Considering Wikipedia is so balanced towards modern content, and so balanced towards content on the English-speaking world, your work is doing especially help in alleviating that inherent bias. Kudos. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:51, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! I'm glad this information is getting there, because pre-independence Indonesian cinema is very poorly covered. If I'm not mistaken, I have access to most of the sources Misbach Yusa Biran used in writing his book (from my trip to Sinematek Indonesia) as well as some he didn't (the Dutch newspaper archives, novelizations)... hopefully my RL writing can add to this field of knowledge. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:55, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bajar dengan Djiwa

The article Bajar dengan Djiwa you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Bajar dengan Djiwa for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Zanimum -- Zanimum (talk) 01:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK prep promotion?

Crisco, I just gave a nudge on the WT:DYK page—the prep is overdue for promotion, and it's headed by a special occasion hook meant for July 21. If someone else hasn't gotten to it in the past couple of minutes, would you have time to take care of this now? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:59, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Promoted 2. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Crisco. Hadn't seen that prep 1 was filled (just noticed that prep 4 wasn't); unfortunately, there are a couple of formatting errors:

• second hook: "newly-signed" should have a space rather than a hyphen: "newly signed"
• fourth hook: "36 year-old" should have two hyphens: "36-year-old"

Can you please fix these now that they're in queue 1? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. The bot is complaining that the picture in queue 6 isn't protected, and won't promote until that's taken care of. Is this something you can do? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:20, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Already protected on Commons. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Materialscientist is great at taking care of the image problems when he's online. Glad to see it take care of so quickly, though I'm also glad you were still around to take care of it if he hadn't done it first. Thanks again. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Not a prep promotion this time, but a special occasion promotion. The July 23 hook would go best in ((prep|2}}, the next set to be prepared, but as I got involved in it, I can't do the promotion (ALT2 is mine). Can you please take a look and promote if there aren't any issues that concern you? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
• Did it, but forgot to mention that here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Platinum W Award

		Platinum W Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Platinum W Award for your contributions to each current section of the Main Page: a Featured Article at Today's Featured Article; a Featured List at Today's Featured List; articles listed on In The News, Did You Know, On This Day, and Today's Article for Improvement; and a Featured Picture at Picture of the Day. Your contributions to Wikipedia put you in a class of prolific, highly skilled editors.

--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Tony. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

OH, wow. Hafspajen (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Gabrielle et Jean

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Gabrielle et Jean, by Pierre-Auguste Renoir, from C2RMF cropped.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 02:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

DAP

Want to help me think of a hook for DAP Racing? My brain is fried... I can't be more creative than... dyk that DAP stands for Dumb-Ass Partners? Montanabw^(talk) 08:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Montanabw, A bit foul-mouthed, maybe, but: ... that Dumb-Ass Partners ran a horse in the Kentucky Derby with a green jackass on its back, winning the race? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Doria

Bonus picture

I made something rather unusual - made a new article. Do you think you could maybe look at it, here are some references [1] [2]- and maybe ... expand it to.. . Hafspajen (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... that is something different. I'll try and have a look tomorrow, if I have time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Witdrawn nomination. Sorry but I prefer to retract my nomination and withdraw from this discussion. And it is editwar on top of evrything, on that too. Hafspajen (talk) 22:54, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Sigh... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't wanted a nomination that is ten pages long again. People don't reed those. Hafspajen (talk) 04:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you supposed to nominate somebody else withdrawn nomination again? Hafspajen (talk) 06:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Armbrust or someone else will get to it to close it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Horn player monks, bonus picture II

• I've expanded the article, Hafs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Here is some of the German Andrea Doria as Waterboy , they seems to mention both names, Posseidon and the other one both just as much. Interesting picture. I think our version is much more like the Tashen art book picture, by the way. ^{_{At least not someone painting with her vagina or dick.}}

Hafspajen (talk) 02:34, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• I'd ask how someone could paint with her vagina, but then I've seen the videos already... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Ugh, hate to think about the discussions - is this the original color ..or not. This is interesting too, this [3] trying to express that the nude man would have been a constious choice - showing of course beauty, but also that he does not need gold, diamonds, fur, jewels, horses or other display of power - he himself relying on his own powers is enough. (However one would explain or add that that in an encyclopedical way...) Hafspajen (talk) 02:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• Pretty much just as you did, except attributing the opinion to Schneider if that's what he wrote. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I am a little bit sad about the article not have its original tile.. I thought Portrait of Andrea Doria as God of Sea was so clever of me, not going into if it was this or that one. Hafspajen (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

• It was a good title, but sadly the MOS has to trump it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:25, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Halaman pengalihan

Apakah boleh kita mengalihkan artikel yang masih ada isinya ke artikel lain? Soalnya, belakangan ini saya melihat ada sejumlah pengguna yang mengalihkan artikel yang masih ada isinya ke artikel lain, padahal, kebiasaan Wikipedia dalam mengalihkan halaman adalah dengan mengosongkan lalu mengalihkan ke artikel lain, bukannya langsung mengalihkan ke artikel lain, namun halaman pengalihan tersebut tidak dikosongkan isinya (dan diganti dengan format pengalihan). Saya bingung dengan hal ini. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 08:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris boleh, dalam konteks tertentu (misalnya, dua artikel dengan isi dan topik yang hampir sama, yang tidak perlu digabungkan). Ada contoh? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Contohnya Ini, ini, dan ini. Hanamanteo (talk) 08:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Kalau yang dua terakhir, itu baiknya dikosongkan di bawah Redirect-nya. Tidak ada yang layak digabungkan ke artikel tujuan, menurut saya. Yang satu lagi baiknya dihapus dulu baru dialihkan, sebab ia merupakan pelanggaran hak cipta. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris, ada yang melakukan hal seperti yang saya sebutkan tadi (mengalihkan halaman tanpa mengosongkan halaman)? Hanamanteo (talk) 08:56, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Mungkin. Tapi saya belum pernah lihat, sepertinya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh begitu. Saya ingin bertanya, mengosongkan halaman sebelum mengalihkan artikel ke artikel lainnya, apakah merupakan peraturan di Wikipedia atau kebiasaan turun-temurun di Wikipedia? Hanamanteo (talk) 09:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Setahu saya, kebiasaan. Setahu saya.09:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kundō Koyama

Hello! Your submission of Kundō Koyama at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 97198 (talk) 13:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Wilbert Robinson 1916.jpg

Is there any chance we could set this up for POTD soon? It doesn't need to jump the queue: One of the WikiCup competitors did the FL List of Major League Baseball hitters who have batted in 10 runs in one game, an accomplishment Wilbert was the first ever to do, and I'd like to set it up enough that I don't forget to include a link to that list. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• As I happen to be an FLC delegate, I could easily do it... if I didn't just get a copyediting job (I really shouldn't be online, but meh). My recommendation is to submit a blurb to Wikipedia:Today's featured list/submissions (<joke> or bribe SchroCat with a free image of whatever celebrity he's writing about now</joke>). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I meant for POTD, not LOTD. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Ah. Early September too late? I've scheduled through late August, and we've got a run of biographies in the early August 20s (i.e. 21, 22, etc.). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, there's no need for it to jump the queue, whenever it would go up is fine, I just want to make sure it links the list article, lest I forget. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Current queue is about 15 months, looking at the recently scheduled images.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Request

Bonus picture - possible FP?

Crisco, tell please to Coat to remove that giant picture from the Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Portrait de Jeanne d'Aragon, by Raffaello Sanzio, from C2RMF retouched.jpg ‎ nomination. I did remove it and s/he put that back again, and goes on again arguing and I am fed up with it. S/he is doing everything to destroy that nomination. If s/he doesn't like it - nobody is allowed to like it. It is disrespectfull and disruptive. Hafspajen (talk) 22:21, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Fishermen at sea - bonus pictures

• Removed two images, neither of which is under discussion and thus (in the strictest approach) neither of which should probably be on that page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

You are a good admin. Hafspajen (talk) 23:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Now that's something else. Not used in any articles though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

That I imagine - will not be a problem. Easily fixed. Hafspajen (talk) 09:42, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Only hope he will mend his ways. Hafspajen (talk) 10:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• The fishermen are also quite nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Is anyone going to go ballistic if I nominate this? Hafspajen (talk) 13:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• No, probably not. Go right ahead if you want — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Done. Can this red be edited out? (yes we don't have any better...) Hafspajen (talk) 21:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Doable. Maybe later today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Bonus picture bonus title-Bottoms up! :) We hope (talk) 01:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Poor Bottom! First an ass for a head, now an ass towards the sky. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Listen. I feel we need to have a serious discussion - and without this editor's and her/his comments and personal idiosyncrasy - about edits. This for the first thing this can't go on like this, and for the second I think that this one person influences everyone. But I think the issue is NOT such a terrible thing - or such big issue either. I think that all trusted editors should try to make a much clearer policy about this. Hafspajen (talk) 09:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• I still say that it's best to have him just yell into the silence, then lose his voice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, you have a good point - but as I read the guidlines it is NOT there as expressly envisaged by the guidelines - it is just one persons personal interpretation of guidlines. Hafspajen (talk) 09:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

And - I really think that others might be better qualified to clarify this - and because it is starts taking way to big proportions - and - I actualy think - there was nothing really wrong with let'say Dtz's edits - or any other similar - and we can't let one person run the show. Hafspajen (talk) 10:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

THIS: is what commons say: Digital manipulations must not deceive the viewer. Digital manipulation for the purpose of correcting flaws in an image is generally acceptable, provided it is limited, well-done, and not intended to deceive. - For historic images, acceptable manipulations might include digitally fixing rips, removal of stains, cleanup of dirt, and, for mass-produced artworks such as engravings, removal of flaws inherent to the particular reproduction, such as over-inking. Careful colour adjustments may be used to bring out the original work from the signs of ageing, (EXACLY WHAT Dcoetzee DID) though care should be taken to restore a natural appearance. (EXACLY WHAT Dcoetzee DID) The original artistic intent should be considered when deciding whether it is appropriate to make a change. Edits to historic material should be documented in detail within the file description, and an unedited version should be uploaded and cross linked for comparison. And we have just one editor saying - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, it's in the GUIDELINES!!!! - but it is not, actually. Hafspajen (talk) 10:08, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• I fear you don't get what I mean by letting the editor's voice echo in silence. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Ahem.... Hafspajen (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes I do. I am worried about what is happening while it is on. People who are uncertain might take this seriously, if not informed ot bother checking what's there actually. Hafspajen (talk) 10:22, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Fair point. But we haven't given anyone a chance to show if the misleading comments will affect others — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  

  Bonus pic

Hm. Nobody care anymore to vote for Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Portrait de Jeanne d'Aragon, by Raffaello Sanzio, from C2RMF retouched.jpg - so I suppose the misleading comments did affect others. And it was the same thing here File:0 Portrait d'une femme à sa toilette - Titien - Louvre (INV 755) - (2).JPG - versus File:Portrait d'une Femme à sa Toilette, by Titian, from C2RMF retouched.jpg, by the way. Hafspajen (talk) 10:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• I generally attribute a lack of interest to a very long thread. Few people care to read all that in order to support or oppose.. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is quite true too. Or they might get scared of by the language used. Hafspajen (talk) 11:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:12, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

hm; a bit of a real SURPRIZE I got again. Hafspajen (talk) 11:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Any nice huts to picture?

• • • I'll try downloading it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:20, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I was studying Art History - but Amandajm is the one who was teaching it - and she have seen most big artworks. I trust what she say. In this case it has to be a withdraw nomination - since none of them is correct. I told you that the colors were originally much brighter ... but since the museum site was posting that pic, I thought it might have gone bad during the centuries. Hafspajen (talk) 11:22, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... well, don't forget a lot of times they deliberately scan at a lower exposure to reduce glare from the cracks and flakes. Something that Coat seems to ignore. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you guys use a larger and better copy of the Magic Carpet cover? Not a repro. We hope (talk) 19:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Very nice. Will upload. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:01, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Now I know WHY: Do you see that last comment? [4]. Do you see where that was inserted? GRRrr. And I wondered why on eart nobody cares nore for this nomination. Put it right in the middle of the starting info - so it looked like the whole thing was of. Bugger. Hafspajen (talk) 08:14, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Just let it go for now, rather than getting stressed. They say patience is a virtue, and we don't have to make sure the image passes now. It can run again some other time. Even if Coat stopped adding images now, the nom wouldn't pass. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:27, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, but you took it real cool when s/he acused your nom with forgery. This has to stop. Hafspajen (talk) 08:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• You and I both know that, in the world of historical documents and art, forgery is a pretty serious accusation, and it has a more specific meaning than simply "wrote someone else's signature". I've already stopped replying to him/her. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I know it is serious. Hafspajen (talk) 08:33, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

What has Cassatt to do with all the pictures nominated? Only art book ever read? Hafspajen (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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And let uss not

Bonus picture

• Very nice. "Deliver us from temptation" indeed. She doesn't care, at all, about that gold. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

No. And white is actually green. Hafspajen (talk) 12:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• That is a hideous shade. How... what? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

• Well, what, inded. Have you heard of Wikipedia:Disruptive users? One of their interesting Features is: #Creating disturbances on featured article candidate pages, e.g. objecting just to object. ... Hafspajen (talk) 14:21, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

œ== So I don't break a promise ... ==

Hi Crisco, I promised Hafs yesterday that I would try to upload this file from the Italian Wikipedia to Commons but for the life of me I cannot manage to do it ... can you help, please? I cannot even get Google to translate the Italian page this morning to give me a clue so I must be in dizzy blonde mode (or something)! SagaciousPhil - Chat 07:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Well, aside from the fact that that's the Lithuanian Wikipedia (which would explain why you can't get GTranslate to work), I doubt that image is free. Web-resolution... I'm always wary of those. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thanks - I will offer you a string of excuses: it and lt look very similar without my lenses in (even on a proper big iMac screen); as before, I'm in dizzy/dim blonde mode; and, finally, I'm hot and tired as it's actually sunny here today! SagaciousPhil - Chat 08:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC) Note for Hafspajen, sorry, I did try!

• (Hot? As in, 85F hot?) BTW, if Hafs comes: so is something like this art or not? Pregnant at age 11... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• It is not art - it is a social problem. Where are the parents who should take care? What becomes pregnant? Is it falling gold from the sky - Danae ? One doesn't just became pregnant, not just like that - without doing certain things. Weird stuff. Hafspajen (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• No, no golden rain. They "do things" without understanding them, and it has horrible (yet wonderful) consequence. Sasou makes a message about society, challenging them, yet also reinforcing their values. (Though to be honest his art is quite cutesy, IMHO). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, it is cute - in a sad way. Hafspajen (talk) 14:43, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Very. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Uhmm, no - as in 66F, in town, so a touch cooler way out here in the sticks; I've even had to switch a fan on but the haar will come back in shortly. Pregnant at 11, poor child ... SagaciousPhil - Chat 08:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Combat of love and chastity, bonus picture

• They made a live action film out of that manga. Poor actress, one would think.

66F = hot? I dare say, you'd never survive Indonesia . It's about 92 or 93F out now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:40, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Even going back to the far south of England, (Sussex) where I originally came from, is too oppressive for me nowadays - I've got far too used to the 'proper' fresh air coupled with continual gale force winds here ... SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:07, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Oh my. In 2010 I went back to my hometown... the 75–85F nights already felt quite chilly to me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

How's your weather? Hafspajen (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Now? 90F or so. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:00, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Phuu. That's warm. How do you cope? Hafspajen (talk) 01:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Keeping so busy I don't feel the heat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Have you tried the more traditional methods like ice-lemonade and cold showers? Hafspajen (talk) 02:05, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Life hasn't handed me lemons. Cold showers are... well, all I have. No water heater in this house. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Hm, try the Coca-cola and ice. As for the missing heater - you probably won't need that anyway... Hafspajen (talk) 02:11, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Is this a good picture? File:Narendra Damodardas Modi.jpg Just picked up because I liked the usename of the one creating it. Hafspajen (talk) 04:25, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

_ Rather nice, but pixelated in the shadows. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I knew that, but I mean - it looked so white - wondered if that was natural - in front of a sheet perhaps - or cut? Hafspajen (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• • Plain white background, then dodged in Photoshop. Does wonders. (Might be some cutting too) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:34, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

{{漫画}} - how can anyone read a thing like this...

• 漫画, you mean? Copy paste to search it. Or people who actually speak the language. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:37, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Red (and of course, me) couldn't have done it without you! Thanks for the continuing help and belief that something good would come out of all the work everyone did! We hope (talk) 13:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

When you consider that there wasn't much left of the article after the copyvios were removed, and then to have at least 2 known cases of other sites (the official Skelton one among them) copying major portions of it and not crediting Wikipedia, getting it to FA is something to toot about as it's an example of what can be done when people work at it together. Thanks again! We hope (talk) 13:25, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Now, now, I just rode your coattails. You deserve all the praise. (After all, all I did was push). But yes, again, fantastic work! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: films in Skelton lead

These were added by Dr. B. It would seem that his films are now covered properly in the film section, thanks to Dr. B., but I think it would be OK to pare this down somewhat in the lead, due to the coverage he added. We hope (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kundō Koyama

The DYK project (nominate) 22:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Trijata

Crisco, this seems to be stalled over the third image in the article, which has a PD-India tag, but that may not be good enough for en-Wikipedia. Can you please take a look, and do whatever seems to be necessary to get the nomination moving again? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

• Many thanks. Are you able to promote a prep to queue for the main page? We're over three hours overdue. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:04, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks once more. Glad you were around to do it. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello!

Crisco 1492 hie! i think there has been a communication breakdown between us but i really appreciate the fact that you have been assigned to be my mentor to help revive our community in Botswana. We have just added you to our community mailing list just in case you can help us(be it ideas or mentor-ship). Please keep us in touch if you have anything to share with us. Oarabile Mudongo (talk) 09:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Portrait of Andrea Doria as Neptune

The DYK project (nominate) 15:08, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Crisco - the Armbrust RfA you transcluded hasn't been accepted and none of the questions are answered. Both are standard prerequisites for transclusion. Looks like Xeno has removed it (although it still shows on the RfA tracker). Nathan ^T 14:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

• Did people really edit war over this? *sigh*. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Turned out nice again!

Evening Crisco, I come with begging bowl once again, for another SchroCat & Cassianto special. This time it's the PR for George Formby for which I'm hoping to gather comments, complaints and constructive suggestions. If you're able to visit I'd be extremely grateful—there's no rush on this at all. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

• Sure! I'll get there sometime this week. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Pony!

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• Thanks Montana. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Magdalene College Dining Hall, Cambridge, UK - Diliff.jpg

I've edited out the lens flares. See if you think it's good enough. I have a PNG version so can go back if I miss anything. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Happy Eid!

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• Happy Eid to all of my stalkers who are Muslim (and/or interested in Islam). Here's some pictures. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Needed for an FAC

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I am the one who nominated the element fluorine to be a featured article. Currently I require image reviewers and reference spotcheckers to ensure compliance with the FA criteria. Would you be willing to help? Parcly Taxel 23:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps this evening; images only though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Image review on Okecie incident

Hi Crisco, how are you? Long time no contact. I hope you're well. I have the Okęcie Airport incident article at FAC now and it looks to be on the verge of passing but requires an image review. Do you think you could have a look if you have a few minutes? The review page is here. Thanks and have a great rest of the week. —Cliftonian (talk) 15:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, let me finish this PR first. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Image looksie

Hey Crisco! Could you do me a huge favor and look over the image's for Harry Glicken's FAC? It would be appreciated an enormous amount! ceranthor 21:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Nominated

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  Shelter poster (nominated)
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  Great Mosque of Central Java, aerial view (nominated)
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  Woman with a Mirror (nominated by Hafs)
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  Khao Phing Kan island (strong support) (nominated)
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  Blue Lagoon (Haffy, you found the article, so you can nom if you want .. nää - I put that in the article - You nominate it.) (nominated)
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  Kampoeng Rawa (nominated)
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  Chequered Skipper (nominated)
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  Gabriel et Jean (nominated)
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  Rice farming in Indonesia/Kampoeng Rawa (nominated)
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  Bixby letter, facsimile (nominated)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Coin images

I was wondering if we could use these Smithsonian images. "Credit line" seems to be where the coin came from, not who took the image. Here are the terms of use, they are not very helpful. I am inclined to rely blindly that the data came from the Smithsonian, as stated on the individual entries.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:13, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• They're very well done, but I'd wait for Godot13 to finish his holiday so we can be certain of provenance (I'd expect that he knows if it was done in-house or not). If they were made in-house, {{PD-USGov-SI}} would apply. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:19, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I'll wait and ask him. I'm not going to ask him to rephotograph those unless I have to. I wish the SI would get on the ball.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• Right. The main thing is to have the image, not have an FP quality image. Mind, if we can have the latter, and Godot doesn't mind... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• He can also ask about the provenance. Possibly a Smithsonian rep can go through the OTRS process, though I'm not convinced that is fully necessary.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• Neither do I, but then they required Godot to give OTRS permission for his scans. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• Just a quick note- I think they suggested I get an OTRS ticket since I was stating that the provenance of the notes was the Smithsonian. I am planning a make up trip for the one I missed for the week of August 10th.--Godot13 (talk) 13:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• Regarding above, I'm not sure it matters who took the images since coins and paper (with very few exceptions) are PD-USGov-money items. The terms of use (IMO) covers the entire digitized collection, of which a fairly small portion are PD-USGov-money objects. Regarding coins specifically, unless someone brought their own photo gear into the vault to shoot coins (they thought my request to do so was a bit unusual), there is a complex process all handled (to the best of my knowledge) in house. I am happy to seek confirmation of this information from them...-Godot13 (talk) 13:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • The thing about coins is that, as 3D objects, the photographer holds the copyright to the image. Hence Wehwalt's struggle. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

So true. And they are not all "money". I saw a number of pattern coins in there. And those $50 commemoratives would be very useful to have as without them not much point in writing about the Panama-Pacific issue of 1915.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• $50 commemoratives? I don't think I've ever even heard of those. They sound like an interesting topic. On an unrelated note, Commemorative coins of the United States is a redlink. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ah, the article is at United States commemorative coin. I'm tempted to standardize it at "cc of the US" but something tells me there's a reason why it's named the way it is. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way

I just did a 5x expansion of The Bread-Winners, if you want to do a DYK.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Awesome, will do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Wehwalt, the section on Hay could use some more referencing. Nomination is here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Randolph Caldecott - Picture Book No. 1 - page 2 - The Diverting History of John Gilpin, Illustration 1 (1st colour).jpg

Think this'll be my next series. Not sure how I'll handle the black and white illustrations, though. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 05:40, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• Lovely. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Randolph Caldecott - Picture Book No. 1 - page 7 - The Diverting History of John Gilpin, Illustration 5 (2nd colour).jpg - should I crop this one to match the first colour illustration (losing the page number), or expand the crop on the original one? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 02:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Personally I'd crop. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Selamat Hari Raya Idul Fitri 1435 H

Halo Bang Woodrich, Happy Eid ul-Fitr 1435 Hijri (Selamat Hari Raya Idul Fitri 1435 Hijriah)! Semoga kita dapat menjalani hidup yang lebih baik dari tahun sebelumnya.

Omong-omong, apakah perayaan Idul Fitri di Yogyakarta lebih semarak tahun sebelumnya atau sama saja dengan tahun sebelumnya? Kalau di kota tempat tinggal saya, perayaan Idul Fitrinya semarak sekali.

(Bercanda, bukan kenyataan)Saya juga membawakan makanan untuk Anda sebagai hadiah Idul Fitri saya. Silakan lihat ke bawah untuk mengetahui makanan apa saja yang saya hadiahkan untuk Anda.

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Terima kasih! Hanamanteo (talk) 08:28, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Enak makanannya! Ramai juga tahun ini (lihat fotonya di atas), tetapi saya tidak ingat apakah tahun lalu sama ramainya. Yang jelas, di Jogja macetttttt tenan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Tinjau

Crisco, mohon tinjau halaman ini donk: id:Kedok Ketawa. Terima kasih --Erik Fastman (talk) 02:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

East Indies caption

You write: "the passive tense implies that there were no indigenous peoples". No, it doesn't. Whether the verb is "colonized" or "were colonized", it says nothing about whether there were indigenous peoples. If you want that to be clear, please add wording that mentions them. However, the passive allows the sentence to be simplified as in my last version, parelleling "colonized" and "decolonized". I won't revert, but think about it. By the way, don't bother replying to this anywhere; I'll be off-net for a while shortly. --69.158.94.114 (talk) 03:07, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. "Were colonized", to me, implies that there were no other settlements, whereas with Europeans as the subject, they clearly did colonizing, but it does not speak to the then-current status of the areas. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hi Crisco, If you take a look at the GA column's archive in Chinese Wikipedia, you may notice that my translation of the Jakarta Post and a Chinese version of the article Union Films has been promoted to a GA status. Much thanks for your longtime contribution on articles related to the Indonesian culture - without your efforts, our works can hardly be done. --Spring Roll Conan ( Talk · Contributions ) 00:19, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Always glad to be of service. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Image review

Hi Crisco, I was wondering if you could do an image review for Lost Luggage since your last one was quite helpful for me. If you don't want to, it's fine. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 03:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:06, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Taylor, if you have the time, would you be willing to look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kedok Ketawa/archive1? I think it just needs one or two more reviewers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Sure, after I get some sleep. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 03:31, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Alright. LL just has the one comment re: images. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Historical coats of arms of the U.S. states

Hi Crisco- I just moved this list article to main space (and added a DYK nom) and hope to bring it FLC in about a week (still have some work to do). If you have a chance, could you give it a very cursory glance for any potential glaring problems I may have overlooked. Many thanks. --Godot13 (talk) 23:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• From a very quick overview, I'd say it looks pretty good. I'd probably expand the lead a bit, and either remove the Further reading section or actually include something, but in short it won't have any serious issues at FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Louis Prang deserves ihis own article. He also published a lot of the best of Thure de Thulstrup's work. My one worry is that you might be better off titling it after the book, then adding the National Bank Notes as a comparison, to show an alternate interpretation. The title's a little too broad for the material; I could see questions like "But what about other coats of arms?" or "Why exclude the history of Alaskan coats of arms" and so on. Choosing your title will help avoid having the topic be too open. This might mean removing the section "State Arms depicted on United States banknotes" - but, honestly, that can stand on its own in a new article. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 03:22, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

What about Historical coats of arms of the U.S. states illustrated in 1876. I agree and have tried to put a fair amount of the focus on the images from the book (for which Mitchell needs to share at least equal credit with Prang). The side by side with the engraved counterpart is meant to compare illustration with engraving. The banknote arms could easily be spun off into a state arms collection illustrating one banknote from each state/territory, but I thought they complemented each other. I tried in the notes to explain that only those illustrated arms from the book would be pictured... Can you explain why PNG files are beneficial?Godot13 (talk) 10:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

You have been keeping a lossless copy of your restoration, right? Saving repeatedly into JPEG causes JPEG artefects to accumulate. Hence, providing a PNG copy (PNG is a lossless format, but has much smaller file size than TIFF) allows any changes needed to be done without constant degredation of the file. For an example of what happens if you don't do that, have a look at File:Dred Scott photograph (circa 1857).jpg, where several people collaborated on a restoration, without using lossless files, and so the result is covered in JPEG artefacts. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 10:40, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Mind, the original of that one wasn't exactly saved with good resolution either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, but it's the best example of the problem I'm aware of, offhand. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Images

Let's see. If possible, the images from the book should also have a PNG version uploaded, and I'd suggest getting Crisco and/or me to have a look at them, as there are a few minor issues that could stand to be fixed that I found in a quick check. For example, File:Ohio state coat of arms (illustrated, 1876).jpg has some white spots on the sheaf of wheat, and the frame around the coat of arms, especially on the black part of the frame, a black spot within the O of the gold-coloured OHIO, and some white spots in the darker red parts of the ribbon. The I on the smaller, black-print "OHIO" looks very dodgy as well, though that one might be arguable as a "don't fix". Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 03:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• I didn't look into the images, but it's possible that there can be touch-ups made. I've got a translation job I'm doing, but maybe later I can have a look. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Adam - should the PNG file be loaded as the primary viewing file or (as I've seen you do) as an alternate version?--Godot13 (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipediaa doesn't display PNGs very well. Hence why the JPEG version's needed. If we had a sane thumbnailer, PNG could replace JPEG. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Which of two crappy images?

To Crisco and his legion of talkpage stalkers, which of these images do you think would be best in the Three Beauties of the Present Day article? I've seen really nice reproductions in books (there's an awesome one in 歌麿抵抗の美人画 ISBN 978-4-02-273257-6 in which the lines are crisp and you can see all the embossing), but I've only seen crappy ones online.

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———Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• Curly Turkey, couldn't you crop the Rijksmuseum copy a bit to make her stand out more? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, cropped. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Assuming they're both equally original, I'd go with the Rijksmuseum copy. Of course, scanning from your art book would be even better... assuming that's possible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Wouldn't the dot patterns from the printing be undesirable? For now, anyways, I'll go with the Rijksmuseum one then—the book's back at the library now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
        • If it's a proper art book, the halftoning wouldn't be very noticeable, and either Adam or I could minimize that even further. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
          • Okay, I'll grab the book when I'm at the library again. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:07, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

How were edit unconstructive

I added lots of good info with well sourced info. How was it not constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanderfall (talk • contribs) 04:25, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well sourced? A Wikipedia Book and "Self" are not well-sourced. The whole concept of Native Americans eating a bird found on one island halfway around the world is in itself absolutely ridiculous, and if the bird was as easy to exploit as the "all of Indonesia eats it" suggests, there's no way science would have such a hard time tracking it. Reverting to insert poorly sourced and completely false material = disruption. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:30, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you know this guy by another name?

I've just indef-blocked Muttalib12. Alerting you just in case the insults that brought them to my attention refer to you rather than the company Cisco or some other user. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• I don't recognize the name, no. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
  • What a charming person. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:22, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

False title

I noticed a remark you made regarding something on the main page where you removed what you called false titles. I removed "Dr." from an article Tony Attwood. I was reverted in one minute.[5] Was I wrong? Is the false title thing a wikipedia rule or just an opinion? (I know it's not professional, and that people with PhD's don't have their names preceded with "Dr." in the press.) Thanks, Parabolooidal (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

No, "Dr." is a real title here. Still, normally we would refer to him just as "Attwood" in the article, so your edit was correct, but your rationale was wrong. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Akira Sasō

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kodomo no Kodomo

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Pair of Mandarin ducks

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Pair of mandarin ducks.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 04:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ali Joego

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Katsudō Shashin in Indonesian

I saw there was suddenly an Indonesian translation of Katsudō Shashin. I assumed it was you who did it, but instead it was someone else with a decidely un-Indonesian username. Do you know the guy? It's weird—there are articles in Hungarian and Tagalog, but not Japanese! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• The Indonesian Wikipedia is pretty good at picking up current FAC nominations and translating them, especially those related to topics which interest Indonesians (like, say, anime). They are usually short of FAs for the main page, so the community finds it pretty efficient. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Red_Skelton

I suppose, if two people who know photography suggest something, you should at least try an alternative. I've uploaded one. I may be overreacting from one too many people seeing one of my restorations of sepia toned images, and immediately desaturating it and suggesting it as an alt, which makes you somewhat resistant. That may be an overreaction in this case, given photographic prints' contrast can be adjusted readily by changing development time from the negative. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 05:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Just a tiny nudge from your edit, I'd say. Overwrite? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
• Go on, but please don't blow the highlights, and please go from the PNG. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oops... Will go from the PNG this time, promise! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Mrs Sheridan

Do you think this might be a viable alternative? If so, would it be possible/permitted to download (should that be upload?) it? You know how useless I am at licensing, Commons and all techie type stuff ... SagaciousPhil - Chat 05:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• It would be free enough for Commons, being as they don't recognize new copyrights for faithful reproductions. The free download is much too small, however. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Aah, okay, that's a shame; I might see if I can find another alternative - it's such a nice image. SagaciousPhil - Chat 05:23, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• I know... wish Google had scanned it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, you realise that if you click on it, you get one of those "Zoom in" things? That could easily get us enough resolution. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• If one wants to play with zoomify. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:10, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually... Don't bother. There's a download full res button. I have it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thought one had to register for that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• You do. You don't have to pay, though. They even have a page saying they're free to use. File:Thomas_Gainsborough_-_Mrs._Richard_Brinsley_Sheridan_.jpg This is an amazing source, and we should mine the hell out of it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hot damn! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. It surprised me. It started "Click here to order an image. I decided to try it, had every expectation of hitting a pay wall, then... image downloaded. I look at the PDFs that were with the image. "For more information, check this website". I check it: "free to download and use". That was... not what I was expecting. It's even higher resolution than the Yorck scan. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'd support that. Phil, I trust it's up to par? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:40, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, like he's going to say "no". Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• *she probably won't, no. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, crap. It's Philomena or something, isn't it? Sorry! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 07:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• The answer to that is above my pay grade.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• WOW and double WOW! Thanks, guys! I used to have the explanation re: the name on my user page before re-vamping - Other Editors sometimes think I'm male - probably because of my user name - I'm not! The name came about as one of my champion dogs has Philosopher as part of his posh registered name; he was always the most kind, gentle and thoughtful lad - hence Sagacious Phil. Does the Scottish National Gallery allow free downloads as well? SagaciousPhil - Chat 08:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Probably not, but it's possible. Do you have a link to something you want? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:06, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I had rather forlornly hoped I might find some illustrations for some of the creature articles we are/intend to work on on there; I just had a notion it would be nice to see some Scottish artists promoted (maybe there are some already?). SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:44, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, if you want something by Blake, that's fine. He died almost 200 years ago. Just make sure to use {{PD-Art}} when you upload. The UK recognizes sweat of the brow as a source of copyright, so I doubt the Scots would release a large resolution image for free, and could claim copyvio. However, WMF has essentially said "we don't recognize sweat of the brow, as we are American" in past cases (like Dcoetzee's issue with the NPG). Not to scare you away or anything. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Alternatively, come to Edinburgh! Bring a really good camera! Visit our amazing galleries! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, though, Scotland tends to be pretty passionate about education in its museums. We might need to get Wikimedia UK involved, just to get the request to the right people, but if we made a case for using Wikipedia to promote Scottish artists, I think it'd work. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

As for whether we have any Scottish artists at FP, yes, we do, but not paintings. William Simpson did some gorgeous work in cooperation with lithographers, such as File:William Simpson - George Zobel - England and America. The visit of her majesty Queen Victoria to the Arctic ship Resolute - December 16th, 1856.jpg and File:William Simpson - Attack on the Malakoff.jpg; and the Dalziel Brothers did a lot of engravings we've featured, such as File:Dalziel Brothers - Sir Walter Scott - The Talisman - Sir Kenneth before the King.jpg and File:Dalziel Brothers - Sir Walter Scott - Rob Roy in the Crypt of Glasgow Cathedral.jpg. Oh, and a third of my featured pictures last year were Harold Robert Millar's illustrations to Puck of Pook's Hill. So it's not that Scottish artists don't appear at all, but... Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Oriental Film

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Page view stats

Hi Crisco- I'm going to the Smithsonian next week and I wanted to try and present stats on the articles I've created with their material (either written from scratch, significantly re-written, or added significant tables with banknote images. Is there a tool that will allow me to harvest this data (over the life of an article, or from the point at which significant additions were made)? Thanks - Godot13 (talk) 05:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S. You nailed the 10K note above...-Godot13 (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• This helps greatly. You can see monthly and daily totals. Adding it up would have to be manual though. I don't know of anything that counts how many view an article has had since it was first created though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I've got four more before we have a complete set (the government has stopped issuing the 1k notes). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Godot13: Another one down. Looks like I misspoke. If you use this tool and click "365 days", you'll get how much views there were in a year. The first tool goes back to 2007, if you're interested in looking that far back. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:18, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Excellent, thanks!-Godot13 (talk) 17:02, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Well you did ask...

...if there was anything you could look at for me. And now there is, if you have time and disposition. I have Jules Massenet up for peer review, and your comments and suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Tim riley talk 13:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Certainly Tim! BTW, everyone's favourite morticians are at FAC right now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Awesome! Massenet's one of my favourite composers. Remind me tot review it Monday, after my show. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• As I was reading, I recognized several of the titles. "Adam would love this", I thought... and I was right! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• There's actually a somewhat good chance we'll end up putting on one of Massenet's one-acts sometime in the next year, for no better reason than we can. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Oriental Film

The article Oriental Film you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Oriental Film for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Seattle -- Seattle (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Red Skelton

An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Red Skelton 1960 rebalance.jpg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust The Homunculus 21:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Historical coats of arms of the U.S. states

Hi Crisco-

Per the quick discussion (already archived), do you think a title change to "Historical coats of arms of the U.S. states (illustrated, 1876)" would appropriately restrict the focus of the list. I'm getting ready to nominate it at FLC...-Godot13 (talk) 19:39, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, that should be fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You can always change it if there's criticism, after all. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 23:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Hubble Ultra Deep Field 2014 2

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Sorry 'bout that

[6] Once in a while I put shy where I mean nbsp, and vice-versa. Good you caught it before I got burnt at the stake. EEng (talk) 16:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• No worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Departures location

Departures was shot in Sakata, but do you remember the town being named in the film? I don't. Perhaps we should change "to his hometown of Sakata, Yamagata" to "to his hometown in Yamagata"? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:23, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• No, I didn't hear the name being mentioned. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:56, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

KSS

Hey Crisco. What do you think of Kansas Saloon Smashers? I've been thinking of making it my next FAC but I'd like a second opinion and since you did the GA review I'm coming to you. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 02:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• If you're sure it's comprehensive, it should be fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:58, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to add Article2 to my nomination

Hi,

I wrote two new articles (Siege of Novo Brdo (1440–41) and Hadım Şehabeddin), reviewed two nominations and nominated a hook for DYK section with both articles in it (Template:Did you know nominations/Hadım Şehabeddin). Only when I noticed that I haven't received a DYK credit for the Siege of Novo Brdo (1440–41) I realized that I forgot to add the Siege of Novo Brdo (1440–41) as Article2 in my nomination. Is it too late to correct this mistake?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:10, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• A bit, yes. It shouldn't be too hard to ask (and receive) credit, but I'd post at WT:DYK to get a wider consensus. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. It is not a big deal. I will be more careful in future.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:59, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

FLC promotions

Hi. Hope you're well. Unless the bot is working again, can I close the three FLCs you promoted recently just to get things moving? I wasn't involved in any of them so there shouldn't be a COI. Cowlibob (talk) 13:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• I believe you've been doing the same for Schro, right? Sure, go ahead. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I finished of one of the FLC he had closed as it was listed at peer review and FLC at the same time so peer review bot didn't like it. I have experience on doing them though. Have closed the three you promoted now. Just to note I had to add "promoted" to the Shakira discography FLC as it was missing in the closure comment. Cowlibob (talk) 14:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• • Que? I coulda sworn I'd added a comment there too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

This is what it looked like before my edit: [[7]] The closing note was empty. Cowlibob (talk) 15:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ah, okay. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Greengrocers (and greengrocer's)

Bottoms up certainly doesn't require an apostrophe. According to the OED, it's "a call or toast to finish one's drink to the last drop". It's a demand for the bottoms of glasses be put up into the air. There's no abbreviation, and nothing belongs to a bottom, so no apostrophe is needed. Even better (and, apparently, earlier), a bottomer is a "draught in which the cup is drained to the bottom". J Milburn (talk) 22:47, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Except (and this is why I made the joke, because of the ambiguity) here the character was Bottom, and he "is up" (at the top of the article/FPed, whatever). Bottomer sounds like a very neat word indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Whoops, I'm afraid your joke went over my head- my knowledge of Shakespeare isn't what it should be... J Milburn (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Marteldood van Bonifatius.jpg

Hey, that lady looks familiar. Crisco, this image of my favorite saint seems to be mirrored: can you fix it? I'm back to editing, but I'm still somewhat embarrassed at being an admin so I'm using my tool sparingly. I made some copyedits on a DYK article, and it took forever. Hope you're doing well. Drmies (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Everything is okay over here. Drmies, do you have a source for the original image showing if it has been flipped or not? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • It's right here in front of me: Padberg, Lutz E. von (1994). "Bonifatius und die Bücher". In Lutz E. von Padberg Hans-Walter Stork (ed.). Der Ragyndrudis-Codes des Hl. Bonifatius (in German). Paderborn, Fulda: Bonifatius, Parzeller. pp. 7–75. ISBN 3870888113., page 58. :) There's a similar image in the German article, from a different Fulda Sakramentar (our image is from the Gottingen version)--they all "face" the same way. Drmies (talk) 00:35, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Alright, I'll be flipping it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks a lot Chris. Hey, I got another one for you. The image here is tagged "No Commons". How can I get it into the newly-translated Karl Schenkl? Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 21:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Replied at your talk page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Glicken

Hey! I think everything's fixed up at Glicken. Let me know if not. ceranthor 20:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• K, replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Franklin Pierce

Could you weigh in with your thoughts on this sourcing issue here? I've halted work so as not to have too much to unwind if the feeling is that source should not be used. Many thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:58, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• K, will have a look. BTW, you've got a citation error with the ref named "postures". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Burned by the autocorrect gods. Corrected. Thanks for your view. I'll see if Designate is OK with it.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Major_frederick_russell_burnham_dso_1904.jpg

Am I right in thinking this needs moved to en-wiki as a PD-US-1923-abroad? Or is it American? It's hard to tell with a world traveller... Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 04:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC) Never mind, it's Elliott & Fry, and checks out. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 04:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Nice find, though a bit of a pain to restore. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK prep promotions?

Crisco, there are four preps ready to go, no queues, and its apparently been at least 24 hours since the last promotion to main page. Might you be able to get a queue loaded for the bot to pick up? More? Many thanks regardless. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, just got home. I'm going to be offline a lot in the next two weeks (parents are flying in tomorrow for my graduation ceremony, and next week I'm going to Bandung for the International Indonesia Forum seminar there) so it may be necessary to contact another admin in this time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

FA review of Tintin in Tibet

Hi Crisco, any chance of a support vote on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tintin in Tibet/archive1? Either way, thanks again for being the first to review. I wonder if others will review and support? I don't have that much experience at these FA things. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Prhartcom, I've still got one outstanding comment (about Air India) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
• @Prhartcom: It often takes quite some time to get enough reviews (I've had them go well over a month), especially if you're not a familiar face. It sometimes helps if you announce the nomination at the WikiProjects the article is tagged with. Some people make requests to particular editors they think might be willing to review—if you do that, you shouldn't put out too many requests, though, lest it comes off as spamming. It also helps to review others' articles, either at FAC or Peer Review—many editors feel the need to return the favour. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:42, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Like me.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Absolutely, can I help you by reviewing something of yours, Crisco? Prhartcom (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
      • If you wanna have a look, Curly and I have a joint nomination up right now. It's... a bit longer than Tintin though. But you know what they say about multiple birds and lone stones. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
        • If you tell me what it is, I'd be happy to at least take a look. ;-) In the spirit of Curly Turkey's suggestions above, I started reviewing TonyTheTiger's FAC Freedom from Want when I saw it could use some support, so maybe that editor will review this FAC. I have asked one extremely respected editor, Fram, to review this FAC, as this editor spent time writing and managing the Tintin articles before I came along (some very important structure decisions were made back then). As for my unfamiliar face, I name-dropped notable Wikipedians all over the place so hopefully that's taken care of. Prhartcom (talk) 15:24, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
          • Departures, which is at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Departures (film)/archive1. I must say, I never knew Fram was interested in Tintin. Appears we have (and have had) quite a few very skilled editors working with comics. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Something Obscure

Hi! The following two redirects (Obscure (video game) and Obscure II are sitting in the speedy deletion for over two days. Could handle them? Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Gone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Scallops?

Hey, Crisco! So my scallop made it to featured picture status (yay!). Can I get it put in the queue for PotD? Please advise. Thanks, and thank you specifically for your support of the image while it was up for consideration. KDS4444^Talk 05:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sure. What date do you want? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:40, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, my 45th birthday is on August 31. Could it go then? KDS4444^Talk 20:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh if only you'd contacted me earlier! I just (and I mean no more than ten hours ago) filled that slot. It's possible to change it, of course, and I've done so. 31 August is free. Want to handle the blurb, KDS4444? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• You are a dream! Thank you! Let me see if I can come up with a blurb for it... Mwah! KDS4444^Talk 12:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• To hear my students speak, a nightmare, but ... . Let's just try and make it not too technical. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Oriental Film

The article Oriental Film you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Oriental Film for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Seattle -- Seattle (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Chris Gragg

Chris Gragg is a current featured article candidate. If you have the time, please do take a look. Thanks. Seattle (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'll try and have a look before I go to Bandung later this week. My family is in from Canada (graduation ceremony, my master's programme), so I may end up quite busy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

FAC

Jules Massenet, the second greatest composer born in 1842 (I am a G&S addict), is now at FAC. If you have the time and disposition to look in, it will be esteemed a favour. Tim riley talk 21:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

And, to add even more importuning, John Gielgud is also now at FAC... Tim riley talk 22:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Certainly, my good sir. I will have to refresh my memory with Gielgud first, however. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristiana of Capua and Adelaide of Riedenburg

Can you reaccess Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristiana of Capua and Adelaide of Riedenburg? The result was declared a merge when merging was never suggested in the discussion and was specifically rejected by the nominator. I stated "Merging should not even be an option. Both articles should be deleted and all links and mentions on related articles erased to prevent Wikipedia for proliferating false facts and original research." All three users agreed and supported this and no one suggested merging since there is basically nothing reliable that can be merged. Can you help since deletion requires an administrator to close it not an non-admin.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 23:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Right. So you want me to revert the non-admin close, and close it as delete? (That's the only way that AFD could close, to be honest). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, could you do that? Thanks.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 23:50, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/List of hazing deaths in the United States

Crisco, can you please take a look at this? PapaJeckloy reviewed it oddly—EEng recently posted a question on my talk page asking what to do about PJ's reviews, on which I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts—and someone from the Teahouse has posted about it, wondering what the issue is, since there are plenty of inline citations.

What I'm wondering is whether it qualifies for DYK for another reason entirely. All of its text, on each hazing death, is in the table and cited there. DYKcheck only comes up with 248 prose characters, all from the lede. Of course, this could be expanded with another 1252 prose characters, but right now I think it's probably an issue. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. I see that there is resistance... BlueMoonset (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• As there always seems to be. If there is concern that the rules don't adequately reflect the realities of lists, then they should start a discussion to see if there is consensus to change the rules. The article presented is not ready under the current rule set, but adding 1,500 characters should take all of thirty minutes, top, even for someone who is unfamiliar with the topic.

Quick question

We don't normally allow external links in the body of an article, but a lot of "Comparison of" articles have external links to the product website when they do not have a Wikipedia article to link to. Are these linkbait stuff we should remove or is that acceptable practice for those types of articles? CorporateM (Talk) 21:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Don't think that's acceptable. I'd use a link in the references to the official site. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

kk, that's what I thought. CorporateM (Talk) 17:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Bank of North America

Hi Crisco- No idea if this image will pass, but it's ironic that today I came across this and their choice of illustrations for a centennial announcement card are interesting...-Godot13 (talk) 04:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Interesting indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

And another, just off the presses

If you want to do the DYK:

California Diamond Jubilee half dollar--Wehwalt (talk) 12:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Wehwalt, if you have an alternative hook for here, feel free to add it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

McKinley Birthplace Memorial dollar--Wehwalt (talk) 21:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Will do (later today). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

We salute you!

	Congratulations!
	On your graduation--some cyber goodies to celebrate! We hope (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yummy, thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, so it WAS your graduation! Congrats, Chris! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 03:35, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. A 3 hour ceremony followed by a 2 hour one. Tiring. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Double check?

I fixed a missing }} here that Dank pointed out, and found it followed by a sentence fragment. I removed it, as I suspected it was a false start for the following one, but you may want to double check—perhaps something got chopped off in a ce (though I don't notice anything). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• K, will check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:04, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • That's fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Did you address Dank's other comments? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
      • No, I was out all day after that one. Looks like you've gotten to them. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:43, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Remind me...

please, regarding banknotes, which were the countries you had some interest in? I found lots of Japanese occupation notes, but none for Indonesia/Dutch East Indies...-Godot13 (talk) 23:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Darn, that bites. The stuff in the Philippines would work, I think. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:03, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Can you make use of a full set of Japanese occupation script for the Philippines?-Godot13 (talk) 13:46, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Not me, personally, no, but I'm sure we could find a way to use them. The article on "Japanese occupation scripts" could be a very nice list if we could get all the sets together. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:04, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Joseph Dana Webster, seated three-quarter view, facing left.jpg

I just kind of roughed-in a fix to the background of a largely-finished facial restoration. But what would you do about the hand on the left? I might be able to get something from similar photographs at the LoC, such as http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/cwpb.07251/ ? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 14:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Reconstructing shouldn't be all that hard, as it's pretty far out of focus, I guess. Sorry, haven't had much of a chance to look in greater detail. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:21, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2013650127/

Think this is out of copyright? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 20:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• To be honest, I don't think it was ever copyrighted in the first place. But we don't actually have the verso to check that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:58, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually, everything on the Verso is quoted in the LoC description, from what I can tell. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 22:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
    • I know, but I know several editors who won't allow a claim of "PD because of no notice" unless we can eyeball the verso. I've taken to doing that too, though I don't go out of my way to delete those that don't have the verso uploaded. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Eh... If they're going to claim the LoC have left out key information, let 'em prove it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK formatting help

Hi Crisco- I put in a DYK "Historical coats of arms of the U.S. states" on August 2nd and soon thereafter changed the title by adding "(illustrated, 1876)" to the end of it. right now, in the DYK template, there is no information, it is blank. Could you let me know how I would go about fixing this? Many thanks.-Godot13 (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Did you, by chance, move the template? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • That sounds like I was supposed to... I will do that now.-Godot13 (talk) 15:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
    • It does seem to have been moved (it has the proper updated title)...-Godot13 (talk) 15:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo... that breaks things, which is why I asked. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Well, I didn't actually move anything, so maybe Nooooooo is more appropriate ;-) -Godot13 (talk) 15:19, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Alright, opening T:TDYK as I type. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
          • I think I fixed it. It seems you did move the nomination page, or something broke the link that's supposed to connect T:TDYK with the nominations. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
            • Well, then the full nooooooooooooooooo is warranted. Strange, I only remember moving the name of the article in general. Thanks!-Godot13 (talk) 15:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
              • Always a pleasure. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Halftone diagram

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Halftoningcolor.svg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 04:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Young (engineer)

Can you move Alexander Young (engineer) to Alexander Young (Hawaii)? Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:23, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Why? What other engineers do we have? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

File:T Roosevelt.jpg

I think this photograph has been excessively lightened: Remember that digital cameras have trouble with detail in dark areas, but film cameras tend to have trouble with light ones, so tend to be photographed so as to leave out the lightest shades, particularly in early photography. I think you've gone way too far, and it looks like a bad reproduction. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• You're perhaps right about how light the image is, but it'll have to wait for 24 hours. Grad ceremony today. (Also might want to knock back on noise) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I seem to have misplaced my TIF file. I've uploaded a reduced brightness edit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
    • I'd be inclined to desaturate a bit as well. The adjustments have brighteneed up the colours relative to the original. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 01:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Alright. Later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Departures promoted

召し上がれ！

おめでとう、クリちゃん！ The nomination has departed—I guess we didn't need any stinking flamethrower. As Sasaki'll tell you, the living feasts on the dead, so enjoy an award-winning drumstick—I'll save the other for myself. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Excellent, a drumstick! That means it'll be safe from my wife (she only eats white meat). Congrats to yourself, to. Two FACs promoted at once, eh? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Selamat Hari Proklamasi Kemerdekaan Indonesia 2014

Coba abang bayangkan bila kalimat "Bank Indonesia" pada gambar uang Rp20.000 di atas diganti dengan "Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia", mungkin itulah maksud saya.

Di hari kemerdekaan ini, saya mau bertanya perihal keadaan abang. Kalau tidak salah abang pergi ke Bandung? Apakah abang mau liburan atau apa? Kalau saya sih di rumah sedang menikmati liburan (singkat) ini dengan menonton televisi. Sebenarnya saya tidak suka hari kemerdekaan tahun ini karena jatuhnya hari Minggu (Sabtu sekolah, besoknya libur, besoknya lagi sekolah! -_-).

Oh ya, saya menonton berita di stasiun televisi, saya mendengar berita bahwasanya kalimat "Bank Indonesia" pada uang Rupiah akan digantikan oleh kata "Negara Kesatuan Republik Indonesia", dan juga, pada 18 Agustus besok, desain uang tersebut diperkenalkan ke masyarakat. Saya tidak sabar untuk melihat desain uang baru tersebut.

Sekian pesan dari saya. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 10:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ada seminar (International Indonesia Forum) dan saya menjadi salah satu pembicara. Uang baru sepertinya akan menarik. Semoga memang demikian. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Oriental Film

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

FAC spotcheck

Crisco, could I entice you into doing spotchecks for my FAC unless Nikkimaria and/or Ian Rose already do so by the time you read this message? Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:01, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'm going by train to Bandung tonight, and will be busy there for the next week almost. As such, I don't think I'll have the time in the near future. If it's still incomplete by the time I get back I may try. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:35, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• Understandable, just thought I'd ask. Snuggums (talk / edits) 12:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Djufrie Asmoredjo

Can you expand this? There's some google book hits but mostly in Indonesian. Great job on Oriental Film BTW, I was going to stub that a while back!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• When I get back from Bandung, I'll have a go. Gonna be here for about a week. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	In this case, not so much providing us with the graphics, but cleaning up the mess some of us leave with licences! Your help is, always, much appreciated. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Always glad to help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Main Quad (Stanford University)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Overlinking ?

Hey I noticed you undone the linking I did on this page : https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Njoo_Cheong_Seng Would you mind explaining why it is "overlinking" or point me to a guideline/manual in regards to this ?
My thoughts: Since the birth_place was linked, I thought the death_place should be the same. Why make the difference ? :) --Avampace (talk) 08:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• The guideline you're looking for is WP:OVERLINKING, which includes "the names of major geographic features and locations;" as instances which should not be linked. I've always taken the approach that the East Indies is okay as a defunct colony (historical location), whereas Indonesia is very much extant. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation and the link :)
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Awards

Seeing as you accepted a WP:WAWARD from me, are you still boycotting the WP:FOUR?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:59, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, still boycotting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Yelp

You reviewed my draft and so I thought you might be interested to know that a GA review has begun. As a result I have submitted a Request Edit here to address some of the GA reviewer's feedback and offered a re-write of the Lead just above that. CorporateM (Talk) 07:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Still in Bandung, but I may have the time to enact this change. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, since you seem to be around, an IP address blanked a section on the Publishers Clearing House article. I presumed it was vandalism and was close to reverting, but figured I would ping someone else for COI reasons. Atama hasn't responded. If you have a minute... CorporateM (Talk) 13:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

More pain in the neck image questions

Hi Crisco, I know I'm trying your patience by asking such stupid questions, but it's my own fault for being unconscionably dense on the whole rights matter!

Is there something about additions to photos that makes them inherently "published"? By that, I mean a subject such as George Formby Snr, who died in 1921, potentially has lots of free images: we just struggle to find evidence of "publishing". Would signing them to hand out to fans (such as this or this) be classed as "published"? Would having them printed as flyers with appropriate captions (such as this) class as "published"? I know you're tied up a bit today, so no rush getting back on this. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 08:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• The Wigan is clearly published, and I'd say the signed one is also published (widespread dissemination). Don't see enough proof the second one is published; could be a note for personal use. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Fantastic news - I'll take it all signed work by him would be OK, given he died pre-1923. Superb: I'll upload and see what else I can find. Cheers, as always - SchroCat (talk) 15:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Right. Mention in the upload, however, that it was intended as a publicity photo and thus widely disseminated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• @SchroCat: Note that works made outside of America before 1923 should be uploaded here, on en-wiki, with the template {{PD-US-1923-abroad}} unless you're sure they're out of copyright in their source country as well. Commons is more restrictive in that respect. For an example, see File:William Russell Flint - W. S. Gilbert - Savoy Operas - Princess Ida 1.jpg Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks @Adam Cuerden:. These should be OK: they are UK images from pre-1923. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• @SchroCat: Then definitely here, unless you've researched the photographer. =) Unlike the US, the UK has no statutory date before which things are out of copyright, just a straight Life+70. (Photographer's life, not subject, of course.) If they're high-resolution, poke me: We can try to get them to Featured Picture. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• @Adam Cuerden: They're all anonymous photos, unfortunately - and in absolutely shocking condition! I'll ping you when they're up and you can see just how bad they are! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 15:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, you might get {{PD-UK-anon}} then, but let's deal with that later. Commons is a bonus, to some extent. =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 15:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

George Formby Snr in two examples of his stage attire

• 
• 

• Hi @Adam Cuerden:, all done. These are the two images: not the best quality, as you can see, unfortunately. If you or Crisco can also just check I've tagged them all correctly I'd be much obliged. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 20:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Bread-Winners

Thanks from the Wiki and I for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Henry Kirke Bush-Brown

Which of these d'ye like?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/hec2009003881/ • http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/npcc.12979/ • or http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/npcc.12980/ ?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/hec.17182/ might also be good, but not for the lead. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 02:03, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Prefer this one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mihai Ralea

Crisco, this review seems to have reached an impasse between nominator and reviewer, with a huge number of column inches expended in the process. Would you be willing to take a look at the situation, and see whether there's a second opinion possibility here? Many thanks. (PS: If the preps are still full and queues empty, a promotion there would also be welcome; we're about six hours overdue at this point, and likely to go longer.) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• I've updated a queue, but am only on for a couple minutes, so I can't do too much more. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for doing the queue. The rest can certainly wait until whenever you have more time. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for doing the remaining queues; I'm glad the special occasion hooks for August 22 will be posted by early afternoon in the relevant time zones. Incidentally, the Mihai Ralea nom has been reviewed by someone else, and was approved by them. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Glad to help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Probable copyvio

At [8] and [9] an with no grasp of OR, RS or even NPOV has added a table copied straight from source (which fails RS anyway) at http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/838 I've been spending a lot of time on his edits and would like someone else's input on the copyvio issue. Thanks. Doug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 08:09, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Am not on a strong enough connection to look into this. I recommend you go to another admin for now. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem, he was topic banned yesterday. Dougweller (talk) 19:06, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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Crisco, can I ask you to please take a look at this one to see whether you feel the ALT2 hook facts are now adequately sourced? I'd like a fresh pair of eyes to make the decision. Many thanks. (Note: the ALT2 hook was listed twice, which is why one of them has been struck.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Crisco ...

... if you're going to take it on yourself to remove people's pictures from the Main Page because, despite bragging about having gotten Frank's Cock into both DYK and FA, you're offended by them, why don't you at least remove the "Dog Fart Rollercoaster" hook from DYK? I mean, read it ... a statue of a defecating dog? "the wind in your face"? Frankly that cost me more appetite than even taking the picture did. (and whatever Beeblebrox says, he is not about to take a crap ... if he were his parents' hands would be standing ready to clean it up (and frankly I wouldn't have had the angle I did)). Daniel Case (talk) 05:38, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• 1) Where am I bragging about getting the Frank's Cock article to MP based on it being an offensive title or anything similar to this case? The article is mentioned on my user page simply because of how it was run (FA before DYK). 2) There was no request for "Dog Fart Rollercoaster" to be removed, or to be changed, 3) I never said the image offends me, did I? and 4) Images are occasionally changed owing to the possibility that a majority of audiences will be offended. Nadar's Hermaphrodite series almost ran in DYK with an image, but that was changed at the last minute owing to concerns that it would be more trouble than it's worth. I protested that, but was overruled.

You'll find me to be a fairly staunch NOTCENSORED advocate, but we have to recognize the realpolitik of the WP MP: unless we have a firmer consensus that the image was okay, then there's little doubt that it would have been pulled while on the MP and DYK would have been blamed yet again. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, in case you missed it, I replied to "I guess at this point we're leaving the image in the article itself?" in the affirmative. There are no issues with the image in the article, where one would expect it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for California Diamond Jubilee half dollar

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:POTD/2014-09-06

Just one question — why is there a See also link to a nonexistent template page? I've never done anything with POTD, so I don't know whether to remove it per WP:See also, or whether to leave it because it has a useful purpose. Nyttend (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Indonesia 10K & 2K

Just noticed them, very sharp images...-Godot13 (talk) 00:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks. Haven't had the time to scan the remaining three yet. Still getting back into routine after my parents' visit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Hope it was a good visit for all.-Godot13 (talk) 02:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Good enough. They enjoyed it, probably because we didn't pack the schedule as much as the first time they came. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Treasury Secretary

I was looking at lists that use portraits and stumbled on this one. I thought they had cropped the portraits until I started clicking on a few. Looked up the syntax but couldn't find any explanation of how to get the relevant numbers. A few hours of trial and error...-Godot13 (talk) 06:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• A few hours? I'd have given up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Copyright question on a Cuban banknote (1872)

Hi Crisco- I want to upload a 1872 Cuban banknote but the category in commons is empty with a warning. The note was printed by the National Bank Note Company of New York, for the El Banco Espanol De La Habana (i.e., Cuba was under Spanish rule). I'm fairly certain I can upload it to English Wikipedia, what's your take on Commons? Thanks--Godot13 (talk) 01:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, based on commons:Commons:Currency, perpetual copyright on a banknote is not unheard of (Ireland, for instance). Short of any concrete guidelines approving old Cuban notes (or limiting when copyright came into effect) I'd upload locally. One could perhaps argue that since it was created before the Republic of Cuba became independent in 1902, Cuban copyright law doesn't apply, but I wouldn't risk that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Done, thanks.-Godot13 (talk) 03:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh my, it almost looks like a ticket stub! (Yeah, not the politic thing to say...) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:46, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Need advice

Hi Crisco, I have a question; how do you manage to get so much content related to early Indonesian films? I have a few DYK credits but I want to create better content,i.e. GAs and FAs. How can I do so? Any advice.?

• Well, Skr15081997, I'm fortunate in that I live in Indonesia and the early Indonesian cinema is both a personal and professional interest, so I have fairly nice access to sources. Do you have any articles that you are looking to turn to GA? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

The Wrath of the Gods (1914 film), Sessue Hayakawa and Tsuru Aoki. The first was a DYK and the other two are the lead actors. I have no problem with adding the balanced content, MOS, reliable sources etc., it's the prose quality requirement that beats me. I'm working hard to increase my vocabulary and know the other grammar rules.--Skr15081997 (talk) 16:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, my recommendation from a quick look over is to avoid repeating similar information (check out the lead for Hayakawa) and to avoid very short sections. Single paragraph sections are usually not a good sign. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I have reorganized the sections in the Hayakawa article. The film articles looks the best out of the three. Aoki's article needs a lot of hard work.--Skr15081997 (talk) 13:37, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

• I agree, the film article is the closest to the standard you're looking for. I'm a bit too busy in RL to go into a detailed review, but perhaps Taylor Trescott (another aficionado of old films) would be willing to lend a hand. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Hi Crisco 1492, I've added File:Richie Benaud 1956.jpg to the List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Richie Benaud and the list is currently at the FLC. I'm not a copyright expert so wanted you to have a look at the copyrights of the image? Regards, Khadar Khani (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

• Do we have proof it was taken in 1956? The link just goes to the image itself. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:25, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• It is taken during 50s but I don't have any proof! What's your suggestion? Khadar Khani (talk) 03:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• It's kinda important to have proof. Even though Commons doesn't recognize the URAA now (if they did this would certainly not be free enough) the cut-off point for Australian images is 50 years; in other words, photographs taken in 1954 or earlier are PD in that country. If this really is 1956, it's not free. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Me and Tezero are gonna be taking Sleeping Dogs to FA in less than 2 weeks, so I was wondering if there was any chance that you could copy edit the entire article, which is pretty small. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 15:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• I might see you at the FAC, but I don't think I will have time before then. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:41, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

It's alright. Can I expect to see your support at the FAC then? URDNEXT (talk) 15:42, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• You should read WP:CANVASSING; trying to direct people towards a certain decision is considered disruptive. I said I may review. That doesn't mean I'll support. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't know about that. URDNEXT (talk) 15:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/De bono mortis

Crisco, Drmies has supplied the QPQ you were looking for. I'm not sure how much of the review you have left to do—some of the usual points like neutrality and close paraphrasing aren't mentioned as having been checked—but if you're ready to finish it off, that'd be great. If you'd prefer someone else finish it, I'm happy to put out the call. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Damn, didn't have it watchlisted for some reason. Doing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:14, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Bintang perak

Bang, ketika saya melihat artikel Kami, Perempuan, mengapa di bagian Languages, ada bintang perak di kolom Bahasa Indonesia? Padahal lambang AB di sini bukanlah bintang perak, namun simbol setuju di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia. Di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, simbol AB atau AP di interwiki berubah bentuknya. Di Wikidata, kita dapat melihat suatu simbol di kiri nama artikel di suatu Wikipedia bahwa artikel tersebut sudah menjadi artikel bagus atau pilihan. Terima kasih. Hanamanteo (talk) 08:41, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

• Saya kurang tahu. Itu diatur di mana juga kurang paham. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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POTD from Monarch butterfly article

I received a notice (sorry, I don't know who it was from )that a photo from the Monarch butterfly article was nominated for POTD. As one of the editors, I need to tell you that I have been in the process of a major clean-up for two months. I have to check out all the references even though I have probably added at least two dozen myself. Someone just attempted to rearrange a picture gallery, in good faith it appears to me, and to change the UNC status with an unreferenced statement. The article is filled with unreferenced statements that I have been trying to track down. I wish there were other editors to help me so that we could get the article into better shape. I encourage the powers-that-be to delay any POTD from the Monarch butterfly article at least until the article is cleaned up.bpage (talk) 22:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

• bpage, that ran over a year ago, with an article that looked like this. It's not "scheduled" any more. It's archived. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I am glad you cleared this up for me. I must have been reading an old editing history log. Sorry to take up your time.

Regards,

bpage (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• No worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

In case you missed it

Evan-Amos did update the [ColecoVision console picture... two days after the nomination got closed. --PresN 01:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Great. I'll take a look, and nominate if appropriate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Bandung images

For the stalkers — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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  Peter Carey at the International Indonesia Forum
• 
  Panoramic view of Cihampelas, Bandung, from the seventh floor of the Tropicana Hotel
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  Frank Dhont, chairman of the International Indonesia Forum
• 
  Cheese rolls (yum!)
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  Sour egg shrimp, Handayani Restaurant, Yogyakarta
• 
  Kawah Putih, from the viewing platform
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  Shops in Cibaduyut
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  Kawah Putih, from the crater floor
• 
  "Ayam brengsek"
• 
  Patenggang Lake
• 
  Tea plantation in Ciwidey
• 
  Boats at Situ Patenggang
• 
  This is how they grow strawberries

More FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Departures (film) and Kedok Ketawa to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR (specific and non-specific date slots) and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Bencherlite^Talk 14:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. I've already got a date for Departures picked out. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Chapel of St Leonard at Farleigh Hungerford Castle

Seeing your edit summary of "reinsert" on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Chapel of St Leonard at Farleigh Hungerford Castle I checked the history and it appears I overwrote your oppose. This was unintentional & I didn't get any edit conflict message - sorry.— Rod ^talk 16:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• No worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For your work on POTD and everything else you do around here. Thanks! Pine✉ 09:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Pine! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

JPG

Thanks for your support. Could you convert File:Equus species.png and File:Pinniped collage.png to jpgs? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• I'll do it, but a bit later today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, could you delete the png photos? LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• No. Two reasons: 1) I'm not an admin on Commons, where the images are hosted, and 2) if someone wants to tweak the collage, the PNG lets them do it losslessly. The blurriness is only because of how the Wiki software deals with PNGs/JPGs, and not inherent to the format itself - if we use it outside of Wikipedia, the PNG should be just as sharp as a JPG. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Before midnight UTC

Crisco, in case you're back on Wikipedia before midnight UTC, I was hoping you could adjust the Ice Bucket Challenge hook in Queue 2 before it hits the main page. Details at WT:DYK#Ice-bucket challenge lead hook edit needed. (That is, assuming someone doesn't change "mid-2014" first.) Many thanks. (And if, while you're there, you could tell me whether I'm off-base or on the right track in the previous section, that would be a nice bonus. But only after the hook is taken care of.) BlueMoonset (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You're stupendous. And you have great timing, too. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Also half asleep, but we don't award citations for that.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• But that means you were half awake, which is a good thing, right? That half seemed to be working just fine.

I'm concerned that PapaJeckloy has now started to assemble prep sets. His nomination reviews have been problematic from the start; if his judgment is bad there, his prep sets are likely to have problems as well, and sometimes there isn't much checking done at the prep to queue stage. We're asking for trouble if we let him continue to go about unimpeded. I've just about hit my limit: I took him to SPI after his DYK sock approvals were brought to my attention, I've been making sure he doesn't do damage here and at GA—at GA, at least, Wizardman has told him he'll be blocked if he does even one more GAN review the way he's been going (and his reviews have all been reverted), but at DYK, crickets. So, since you're an admin, I'm dumping this in your lap. (By the way, I just discovered that he uploaded a file to Commons, File:Lyca Gairanod.png, which he claimed as his own work, but I found it on Twitter. I nominated it for deletion.) BlueMoonset (talk) 02:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Which set(s) did he build? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• All of prep 3, and half of prep 2 (three hooks there). I just noticed that prep 3 ends with two hooks about dips, crab and onion. What a mess. I think you can expect that he didn't do any checking of the reviews to make sure there weren't any problems with them. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• I already split the dips. A quick eyeball over the articles in prep 3 shows no blatant problems. However, my RL work is calling right now, so I can't check for close paraphrasing / etc. yet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking, and for being willing to check. Just a warning, as I sign off for the night: he's in the process of filling Prep 4. When RL releases you, please take a look at that, and I guess any subsequent preps, to see whether he's continued on to load them as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Didn't see anything with my checks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• That's a relief. Thank you. PapaJeckloy's been indeffed today—another sock was discovered, and one of his self-promotions actually made it through in August—so I've suggested that we institute our own DYK ban in the WT:DYK thread I'd started earlier; that way we can control his reentry if he eventually gets unblocked. One of the things you would have missed is that this new Jeckloy sock had approved a hook by TonyTheTiger, and PapaJeckloy had promoted it to a lead hook (the Broadway Building); it's subsequently been pulled so a competent reviewer can check it over. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

  Thanks for the update. Sigh, I wish people wouldn't try to game the system. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

David Thomas Williams

Hey, I noticed that you were online and was wondering if you had a minute to check out this AfD discussion. The reason I bring it up is because the primary argument for deletion seems to be a suspicion that the sources I used do not actually exist, since they are not available online. I have provided links to PDFs where editors can see a scanned image of the newspaper, but I'm concerned the AfD will be closed soon without anyone looking at the links I provided and seeing that the sources do in fact exist. I did find about three sources that cover the subject in substantial depth, however they are mostly local news sources. CorporateM (Talk) 18:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• The serious lack of AGF in the delete !voters (the nomination is fine) is concerning there. Wikicology's statement in particular is dreadful, unless s/he can offer evidence for claims that the information was deliberately falsified. I don't think the ability to look at all of the sources would affect the outcome of this AFD (local sources only, etc.), but we should be able to discuss notability without drawing the quality of the article creator(s) into question. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Crisco 1492 thank you for every comment in relation to the article in question. I had no reason whatsoever to discuss a subject notability in relation to the quality of the article creator because the subject of an article is independent of its creator. Article acceptability is dependent on verifiable independent published reliable sources. However, my defination of false is in accordance with Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary which defined the word Falseas wrong: not correct or true. Since I can't verify the sources added as reference, I describe it as false claim I.e not tru or not correct. But if you or CorporateM find it offensive, accept my unreserved apology. I had a different interpretation. Wikicology (talk) 01:44, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• False = not correct or not true, right. But being unable to verify because the sources are not online is not, in itself, proof that the information is false, and assuming good faith means (unless there is evidence otherwise) assuming that the information is accurately represented from the sources cited. WP:V does not require that information be available online, or even readily available to the average reader, but that it be verifiable in a cited reference. Much of my on-wiki work uses offline sources, some of them hard to access even for people who live in Indonesia and speak Indonesian like I do. The FA Tjioeng Wanara, for instance, cites two offline books (one of which is no longer reprinted, AFAIK), as well as several articles from a 1940s magazine which has never been put online. Asmara Moerni, meanwhile, cites a 1941 novelization of the film for the plot (in this case I had to scan the book at a museum). This is not indicative of the truth or falsehood of the content; it just means that verifying the claims is a pretty heavy proposition unless scans are provided (which I can do, and which CorporateM has done for two of the refs). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I guess I didn't have the AfD discussion on my watchlist and didn't see it. Yes, canvassing accusations are almost always mis-placed and sources are not required to be on-line (the best sources are mostly off-line). Regarding "false-hood" I do mostly assume that COI-produced sources that cannot be verified are made up, because that is what my experience has taught me. However, since I have provided actual images of the newspapers,[10][11][12] I'm not sure if Wikicology is actually accusing me of fabricating the newspaper clippings? CorporateM (Talk) 03:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Under WP:CANVASSING your notices were fine. Neutrally worded, not asking for a particular vote, just mentioning an odd behavioural issue that may be concerning to admins. Asking for advice about an issue is not necessarily trying to unduly influence a discussion. It's also not random: you've asked me for help before, on a range of subjects (including edit warring, removing POV where you cannot owing to a COI, behaviour issues etc.), and I seem to recall Frog helping you before.
• I do not understand Wikicology's reasoning for the Williams article being a falsehood, and the continued use of the term "false information" is concerning. It's essentially calling the article's writer(s) liars. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:19, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Crisco 1492 I respect you for your unbiased method of dealing with fact. However, I had stated my own interpretation of the word False above. I had not accused CorporateM of telling lies. I gain nothing sabotaging the effort of any editor. If his provisions will address the issue, it's left for the community to decide. Once again, accept my apology if you find the word offensive. Cheers. Wikicology (talk) 06:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I question whether you understand the difference between "difficulty to verify information" and "falsehoods", to be honest. There is no link between "not correct or true" and "I can't verify the sources added as reference". The key part of policy is WP:SOURCEACCESS, which also links to two essays which expand on it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• • thanks. Wikicology (talk) 09:33, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I think your "weak keep" is just about right. The main premise of notability (in my mind) is that there must be enough credible, independent sources for us to create a meaningful work. There are 3 such profile stories that cover him in substantial depth. A secondary consideration is "worthy of notice" which the lack of national-level sources is a hinderance to. I suspect the article is headed for the trash bin at this point, even if it shouldn't necessarily, under the false pretense that the sources are mis-represented or do not exist, even though neither are true.

Anyways, regarding the canvassing accusation FreeRangeFrog has been my "go-to" as of late on BLP articles, as he/she is one of the most active editors on BLPN, where I met the editor. I didn't have any particular interest in their admin tools. I usually go to user:Drmies for admin issues, who is one of the most active editors on ANI, however it's extremely rare that there is any legitimate need for admin tools anywhere. Actually I am not sure if he has ever used his admin tools on an article where I have a COI or not. It's much more fun to rely on his Talk page for good humor and comedic relief than admin issues ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 19:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• I really should stop by Drmies' talk page. Need to needle him about the poor coverage of Shakesperean quotes and K-Pop. . The consensus will probably be to delete the Williams article, but you can request that a copy be userfied (put into your user space) so that you can work on it a bit further, if you can get more sources. Better than losing all those edits, amiright? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Restoring a larger, deleted version

File:Reglarfellers121138.jpg This was resized when it was licensed as non free. Have a Newspapers.com copy of the strips but they're not in color as this one is. It would be nice to have the larger, Sunday color version--can you do this? Thanks! We hope (talk) 14:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Have been trying to work my way through these as some were before 1923 and licensed as non free, while others like this one didn't have the copyright renewed. Backed into this a few days ago. ;) We hope (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sounds like important work. If you come across any more cases that need a mop, let me know. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Will do-thanks again! We hope (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Frecklesfriends3598.jpg Another one-thanks! 16:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Bungle1023.jpg Another one. We hope (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

File:Bunglefam.jpg Back again :) We hope (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• All done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

And once again, thanks X3! :) We hope (talk) 23:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

If any of them prove to be particularly high-res scans, please nominate them. We have a lack of comics at FP. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 09:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• Curly Turkey would know of quite a few. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I've been trying for a while to find a scan of a strip I thought was worthy, but unfortunately even when they're relatively high-res, they're never quite high-res enough for the crosshatching to show up well. These things are pretty large---they were printed at full newspaper-page size. Perhaps some hunting around the Library of Congress will turn something up. They seem to have lots of originals, but that unfortunately means no colour. I'm happy to hear The Bungle Family is in the public domain---I've been wanting to read more of it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:14, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh, my gawd! And it's Frank King! And me without my laptop! I must get this monster! (Though I imagine with a corner missing it's not exactly FP material...) Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
      • @Curly Turkey: Or we could get this one which isn't missing a corner. I've started a restoration. It's clearly a proof, meant to show the rough colours without repeating them once the colours are established, but that's not so bad. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 11:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, I was getting excited about the fabulous fowl that I intend to add to my user page, but now you've got my interest piqued. If we can get access to these blocked out files, I've seen others I'd rather see nominated—say, one of these Feiningers. Frank King's best Sundays were in the late 1920s and 1930s; his earlier stuff is nice, too, but I wouldn't want it put up as "representative". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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P.S. I'm going to be off-wiki for a few days starting in about twenty minutes, so might not reply until Monday. Yunshui ^雲_水 07:17, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• No worries. Gives me time to go through the prose ;) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

PD pr not PD?

That is the question. :) Found a nice, nice unused copy of King Features stationery with a 1944 copyright at the bottom. We can't call it a item for inclusion in a publication or a serial as this isn't a comic strip. I've gone to UPenn for the appropriate years and looked up artwork. There are no listings for King Features. While there I noticed that the holiday and birthday cards produced by Disney during this time frame were renewed as artwork. Would say that they published it when they used the stationery for correspondence. What do you think?

Also found this from 1947 which is great, but am iffy about the publication on this because it was part of an autograph album. The Barbara Billingsley spoken of here is not the actress (AKA June Cleaver), but a daughter of Sherman Billingsley, owner of the Stork Club. Many of those who worked there had autograph albums for their kids which the celebrities would sign. Thanks in advance for your thoughts! We hope (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Well, if they bothered stamping a copyright notice on it, I think that would mean a lack of renewal would be enough to put it free. I'm not sure if distribution (via letterhead) would constitute publication, but (and IANAL) such an argument might have merit. As for the second... I highly doubt that would count as published, at least in the initial form. It was meant for the individual's private use and not to disseminate the drawning. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! We hope (talk) 13:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Always glad to help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sulfur mining in Kawah Ijen

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File:Francis Poulenc & Wanda Landowska.jpg

Greetings, Crisco! If you have time, would you mind looking here and then here and giving me your opinion? Cards on the table, I am working on an update of Francis Poulenc with FAC in mind, and I think this image is a pretty awful one as the sole picture of the composer (it's fine of the woman at the keyboard, but you can't really see what the man looks like). I was rather hoping it might be ruled not PD, so that I could instead use a good likeness with a fair use label, but if this is PD then I suppose we're stuck with it. But I'm blest if I can work out from the answers on the two forum pages whether that is so or not. Your wise counsel would be greatly appreciated. Tim riley talk 10:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

This morning, I'm being a TPS. :) LOC photo from 1923. We hope (talk) 12:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I was eyeing that. It looks like it has a photographer's stamp on it, though. Can you read it? I'd like to be a little cautious about copyright here - the LoC isn't perfect, and it's past the default date [though, that said, if the WRITING is 1923, and the PHOTO from before that...]. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 12:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

This looks like a signature by the photographer, not a stamp. You can see where the pen or pencil was "dragged" to dot the "i" in the last name. First letter of the first name is "J"--appears to be an abbreviation for possible James. Last name "Hard" or "Mard" "jais"? First letter of the next line is a good question, but the rest is "amboise". We hope (talk) 13:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... I'm thinking a French photographer... so what names start with "Mard" or "Hard" in French? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Marchan or Marchain, maybe? And I read that "J" as an Mme. which is the abbreviation for Madame. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

That first word looks more like Mme, in caps, but a large first M? - SchroCat (talk) 17:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Try "Mme Marchais Amboise": possibly connected to this? - SchroCat (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, nicely done, SchroCat! That's almost certainly right. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:29, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. It looks like she might have became Mme Marchais-Robin by 1924. See [13] - If that's the same person, we can use her marriage to date the photo, and possibly push it before 1923! =) Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

She was doing old postcard photos too. The one of the chateau and the train station are hers. We hope (talk) 17:41, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

If Mme Marchais and Mme Marchais-Robin are the same, I have a first name: http://www.portraitsepia.fr/articles-193-19 Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:46, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

This site has one of hers in Amboise dated 1907. [[14]] Amboise Vue générale du Château Ecole Primaire Supérieure Datée du 26/08/1907 Phot. Mme Marchais, Amboise Estimation = We hope (talk) 17:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

1905 postcard on eBay, France. We hope (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, if she's the same as Gabrielle Marchais Robin - which I think she is - she died in the 60s, so we need to push the photo before 1923 [the 1923 date seems to be based on the text under it, but, of course, text can be written after the photo]. http://www.portraitsepia.fr/articles-193-19 Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Here's a photo of a theatrical troupe with her signature with Robin added. They place the photo as between 1923 and 1930, based on the play being performed at the time. "nced for "The flag of the 1st grenadiers", drama in 3 acts by Julien Richer, by troops of amateurs. West Flash, editions of Nantes and Caen; Source: Gallica."We hope (talk) 18:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

• Okay, so Les biches was performed in 1924, yet this is signed 1923. I doubt Poulenc misdated his dedication, so that doesn't quite help. Tim, do you know when he may have been in Amboise? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I think he lives there. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 23:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
    • Yes, he bought a house in the area in the late 1920s and had been fond of Amboise for many years before that; I don't think that's a fruitful line of enquiry. Permit me to say, ladies and gentlemen, that I am mightily impressed by your industry and erudition, and feel very grateful but also a bit guilty at putting you to so much trouble. Tim riley talk 19:09, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
      • Oh blast. So the safest bet is that the image was... 1923. At least, that's what I'd say in an image review. We'd have to find an earlier publication of the image to be sure. Maybe in Archive.org's books? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I suspect that, if the image did exist before 1923, proving it would require going to Amboise and finding the records of the photographic firm [if they exist]. Beyond that, you're basically hoping to find a carte de visite that he dated besides that one, and I suspect it's only the long message that encouraged him to date it in the first place. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• The past... so difficult, yet so enticing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I am much indebted for the efforts of you and colleagues to find a good free use image, but I can happily use a non-free one with a plea of fair use, if the unsatisfactory Poulenc//Landowska picture is ruled not to be definitely PD in the US, and that is a matter on which your views would be most welcome. Tim riley talk 07:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Link's dead. If the library's actually saying this is PD, though... well, one would expect them to know what they're saying. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:36, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Quite so, and I'm sorry to go on and on about this, but there are any number of such images from Bibliothèque nationale de France – such as this, which I'd dearly have liked to use in the relevant article – declared by the Bibliothèque nationale to be PD in France, but are not PD in the US. And just for once I'm hoping that the not-too-useful Bibliothèque nationale image of Poulenc and Landowska will also fail to meet the US PD criteria. Tim riley talk 19:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

There seems to be some hope for the Library's Sir Thomas Beecham photo. The library says it's from 1930 and you can see the photographer's mark "Cannon's of Hollywood" at lower right. I just looked into artwork renewals for 1957 and 1958 at UPenn and the photographer is not listed as renewing the photo-if it was ever copyrighted to start with. There are two photo services with it according to Tineye. Neither Getty nor Fotolibra have a full copy of the photo--the Cannon's mark has been cropped out and neither can show any evidence of representing the photo company. ;) By some strange reason, both photos of Poulenec and Landowska uploaded to Commons have disappeared from BNF and are dead links. Searching for either of them on site doesn't work either. We hope (talk) 20:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

If you can get that image of Beecham through the US PD test I shall offer you the choice of (i) marrying me or (ii) being adopted by me. BUT, for the moment I am flailing around trying to find out if that bloody awful Landowska/Poulenc image can be kicked into touch. Tim riley talk 20:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Since both photos no longer have BNF links, we can't verify a thing re: what the Library said about either of them. I'd consider putting them up for Commons Deletion Review (DR). We hope (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

That looks to me like sound advice, and I'll do it first thing after breakfast tomorrow. Thank you so much, We hope. Tim riley talk 22:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Not that I'm looking for a husband, but if it is PD in France, Commons will probably accept it now. Commons no longer recognizes URAA extensions (their wording: "the URAA cannot be used as the sole reason for deletion."), so if there was no copyright registered in the US (easy to check) we can tag the file {{Not-PD-US-URAA}} as well as the French PD tag. That means we can keep the file so long as Commons doesn't waver on the URAA. Now, I don't think this has been tested at FAC yet, but... it's worth a shot assuming we can verify which images are from the library. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 4 September 2014 (UTC)