Correct-44

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April 2019

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Anchises. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Nardog (talk) 12:52, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Anchises, you may be blocked from editing. Jeb³_{Talk at me here} 13:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Anchises. Samf4u (talk) 13:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. The reason for the pronunciation /ænˈkaɪsiːz/ is most likely the Great Vowel Shift. Before it took place, the English pronunciation of that word was likely something close to /anˈkiːseːz/. The closest modern equivalent to that pronunciation would probably be /ɑːnˈkiːseɪz/ ahn-KEE-sayz or /ʌnˈkiːseɪz/ un-KEE-sayz in the US and /ænˈkiːseɪz/ an-KEE-sayz or /ʌnˈkiːseɪz/ un-KEE-sayz in the UK (notice the last vowel, which you probably got wrong). But Wikipedia is based on reliable sources and that's why we shouldn't transcribe Anchises as anything other than /ænˈkaɪsiːz/ without a source that would back up a different pronunciation. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia is descriptive. We only document and describe things. From such a point of view, there does not exist such a thing as a "correct" or "incorrect" pronunciation of a particular word. There are only pronunciations that are used by some proportion of the speakers of a language or another—some of which are prescribed by some people, some others are proscribed. Transcriptions rendered by the IPAc-en template represent pronunciation in English, as spoken by speakers of English. All languages differ in their sound systems and change and diversify over time, so even whatever you mean by "unn-KEE-sez" isn't a perfect rendition of how the word was supposedly pronounced in "old Greek". And reliable sources, which Wikipedia abides by, report /ænˈkaɪsiːz/ as the only pronunciation of Anchises: [1][2][3][4]. (If you're confused by the differing transcription conventions see Help:IPA/Conventions for English and Pronunciation respelling for English.) Nardog (talk) 13:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Consider and respond to this message (the above paragraph) and then I may respond to you. Nardog (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Also, there are no "authors" on Wikipedia. There are only users, and one might call the active ones editors. By posting similar messages on other users' talk pages you are setting yourself up for being blocked for harassment. If you are using the barnstar feature just to post a message, use the "New section" button instead. Nardog (talk) 13:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

The fact that you keep posting these messages ([5], [6], [7] and [8]) with a changed transcription means that you've read my message and ignored its content. This is WP:DISRUPTIVE and I suggest that you stop doing that. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 14:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Correct-44 (talk) 14:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry. English is not my mother language. I don't speak and I don't understand English sentences. But I know the ancient Greeks pronounced the name "Anchises" actually: /aŋkʰíːsɛːs/ So I am assuming the article about the historic Anchises is maybe absolutely wrong. All readers should be given a warning of reading wrong information at wikipedia. Why can we read such incorrect pronunciations like /ænˈkaɪsiːz/ here? I think /ænˈkaɪsiːz/ is absolutely incorrect. Maybe /ɑːnˈkiːseɪz/ ist correct as well.

Wikipedia doesn't accept personal knowledge so you'll need to provide a reliable source to make the change. Praxidicae (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Correct-44 (talk) 14:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks a lot Praxidicae. Visit: https://www.lexilogos.com/english/greek_ancient_dictionary.htm Isn't it a reliable source to make the change?

It doesn't appear to me to be a reliable source but you'll need to ask for further input at WP:RSN. Praxidicae (talk) 15:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Correct-44 (talk) 15:28, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

The article about the historic Anchises is incorrect. /ænˈkaɪsiːz/ is the incorrect pronunciation, but correct pronunciation is /aŋkʰíːsɛːs/ All Greek dictionaries are proving that Greek language is not pronounced exactly like the English language. The Latin/Greek letter "A" is not pronounced /æ/ but is always pronounced /a/ and the Latin/Greek letter "I" is not pronounced /aɪ/ but /í/ by the ancient Greeks. The Latin/Greek letter "E" is not pronounced /iː/ but /ɛː/ by the ancient Greeks. English readers are fooled by the article about that historic person Anchises. We should take this very seroiusly. Visit: https://www.lexilogos.com/english/greek_ancient_dictionary.htm

Please stop reusing the help me template - it's easy enough to see when you've responded. Lexilogos is not a reliable source. Praxidicae (talk) 15:37, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello! The pronunciation given in the introduction is the English pronunciation of the name. The original Greek spelling is given after that. This is usually the norm here on Wikipedia since it is made to serve English speakers. – Þjarkur (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

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Correct-44 (talk) 16:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't make any sense for me to pronounce foreign words different than foreigners. It is just impossible to buy an dictionary with the English pronunciation of foreign words. If you buy a English-French dictionary there you can only read the French pronunciation of French words. If you buy a English-Spanish dictionary you can only read the Spanish pronunciation of Spanish words. To pronounce words different than native speakers doesn't make any sense to me.

How can I answer without using the "help me template"? I would do so if I know how it works. Thank you.

I am afraid it's not clear what are you trying to ask. Please paraphrase your question or read Wikipedia:Contributing. Thanks. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:18, 3 April 2019 (UTC)