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A Sincere Note of Thank-you

Dear Solipsist,

I'm not certain whether this be the appropriate page for this -- but I'll not be doing it again, so not to worry -- however, I wanted to thank you for your warm welcome, helpful links, and the offer of your personal aid should I find a problem that the general guide-lines don't cover. I'm afraid I still don't know how to contact you directly; not certain whether you receive an e-mail copy of anything I write, such as on your talk page, etc., or whether you have to log-on to see it. So maybe I do have a question in the end:

Please, let me know how I'd contact you via e-mail, if needed; (I need no personal e-mail address, simply the method by which Wikipedia will further the message to you).

Thank you once again, Christian M. Gregory, (just Chris, please)

PS: I do promise to try to learn and follow the rules laid out by Wikipedia for clarity and uniformity of style, but as it's early days, I can't say I'm au fait just yet. You understand; any mistakes are unintentional, and constructive criticism very welcome. Cheers.

Christian Gregory 07:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

No worries - adding a note to my user_talk page, like you did, is easily the best way to contact me for anything to do with Wikipedia. It is also possible to send users an email message, by viewing their user page then looking for the 'E-mail this user' link in the toolbox on the left. Users are not required to provide an email address when they sign up for Wikipedia, so sometimes you will get a message saying that an email can't be sent.

For discussions on a particular article, its best to use the article's talk page which can encourage other interested parties to join in. The only downside there is that you don't get the orange banner announcing a new message, in the same way that you do when someone edits your user talk page. But if you can find the 'my watchlist' link at the top of your page it can help you keep track of changes to any pages that you have edited or chosen to watch.

And don't worry too much about the manual of style before you start editing; it only really exists to help articles converge on a standard style and perhaps to resolve disputes if two editors disagree about something. One of the joys of Wikipedia, is that there are plenty of other editors around who will jump in and correct any mistakes you make. If you write a new article with no links and ignoring the manual of style, you will probably find that someone else has fixed the spelling mistakes, wiki-linked half a dozen terms and categorised it before the day is out. Many editors actually enjoy copyediting like this, see Wikipedia:Cleanup. As long as you are not actively trying to damage articles or promote some agenda, you are unlikely to have much trouble. Other than that happy editing. -- Solipsist 10:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

A Note

		A Lucky Penny
		In the spirit of funding this penny is offered to Editor: Christian Gregory for his special knowledge on War brides.......................................................! Hafspajen (talk) 21:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Dear Hafspajen,

I hadn't been up to logging on to Wiki for some time, and this was such a wonderful surprise now that I finally did. (I have never been awarded or recognised for anything).

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

Christian Gregory (talk) 10:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

• Oh, but you did a very good work on that article, right? Hafspajen (talk) 12:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holidays

	Happy Holidays!
	From Hafspajen (talk) 15:44, 24 December 2013 (UTC) 12:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I thank you yet again, Hafspajen!

It is most kind of you to remember an old man at this time of year.

I should like to return the sentiment by wishing you and yours happy holidays, and peace, health and prosperity in 2014!

Yours sincerely,

Chris

Christian Gregory (talk) 10:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

• But Chris, I have to tell you a secret. I am not making these templates, I am snatching them . If I find a nice one I just copy it and use it. Only the most advanced who make their own, like for example Gareth Griffith-Jones. Some of them are made so that there is a little sign so it should be easyer, like this one:

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Yours sincerely, Hafspajen (talk) 11:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)^{You better make something with your talk page, because until you don't, your signature will show up red, and you are much more likely to be questioned. Some people make new accounts and use them only to make trouble with them. Jut put a dot or ANYTHING on it and it will make your signature blue!}

Happy New Year

Happy New Year! Hope you are having a lovely time!!!! All the best for you! Hafspajen (talk) 19:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Bold, quotes, italics, other small niggly bits of MoS

Hi Christian

That is a great article, and you appear to have covered it in great detail.

I have just edited it again as you brought the quotation marks to my attention, and I also apologise for missing them in my last edits. I would normally suspect that an editor using that particular style of quote marks would be using a third part editor, such as MS Word or Open Office, and then copy and pasting into the article - perhaps this is your method?

I notice that you have around 130 edits, and so might not be knowledgeable on the niggly bits of the manual of style. If you are interested in learning more about this sort of thing, the easiest way is to go to the MoS pages where they are laid out in more detail than I could give you without filling your page with possibly unnecessary information :¬)

WP:MOS is the main area, and it is fairly straightforwards to follow down through the links to get more detail on topics covered in the outline pages.

Boldening, italics and quotes are at MoS boldening, Italic face and Quotation characters.

Feel free to ask anything you may have questions about, and there is some work needed on the tables to get the quote marks adapted to straight rather than the current "backtick" (`text´) that is used in them.

I hope this is not too intrusive, and that you find the information useful. You can also use my "cheat-sheets" from my user pages if you find them helpful for quick links. Chaosdruid (talk) 05:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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Ah, best wishes for a happy holiday season ...

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Miep Geis (German article): Proposed changes must be proofed for grammar before posting)

Hermine „Miep“ Gies (geb. 15. Feber 1909 in Wien, Österreich-Ungarn als Hermine Santruschitz, (später als „Santrouschitz“ in Niederländisch geschrieben);[1] gest. 11. Jänner 2010 in Hoorn, Niederlande) gehörte zu den vier Helfern, die Anne Frank, ihrer Familie sowie der Familie van Pels und Fritz Pfeffer halfen, während des Zweiten Weltkriegs unterzutauchen.

Frühe Jahre

Sie war ein römisch-katholisches österreichisches Mädel, das wuchs in armen Verhältnissen auf, weshalb sie im Dezember 1920 von ihren Eltern, Mathias und seiner Ehefrau Genofeva (geb. Jakuschitz), aus Österreich im Rahmen eines Projektes zur Unterstützung unterernährter Kinder nach Leiden, der Niederlande, geschickt wurde. Sie lebte dort in einer Gastfamilie, zu der sie ein außerordentlich gutes Verhältnis hatte. Dort erhielt sie auch ihren Spitznamen „Miep“. Im Jahr 1922 zog sie mit ihrer Gastfamilie nach Amsterdam. 1933 bewarb sie sich als Sekretärin in Otto Franks niederländischer Filiale der Firma Opekta. Sie erhielt den Posten, und es entwickelte sich eine Freundschaft zu Otto Frank, seiner Frau Edith sowie den Töchtern Anne und Margot.

Note Bien: The above revision was proposed on: 16 February 2018, as such it may no longer be applicable to subsequent edits.

Christian Gregory (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC) https://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Miep_Gies

Gavrilo Princip (German article): Changes must be proofed for grammar before posting)

[[Datei:Gavrilloprincip.jpg|mini|Gavrilo Princip während der Haft in Theresienstadt]] Gavrilo Princip (IPA: [ɡǎʋrilo prǐntsip], Serbian: Гаврило Принцип; * 25 [O.S. 1894] 07 in Obljaj, Vilâyet Bosnien, de jure Teil des Osmanischen Reiches, de facto seit dem Jahr 1878 österreichisch-ungarisches Territorium, später im Jahr 1908 formell zu Österreich-Ungarn annektierte; † 28 [O.S. 1918] 04 in Theresienstadt, Böhmen, Österreich-Ungarn, heute genannt als „Terezín“, Tschechien) war ein bosnisch-serbischer nationalistischer Attentäter, der am 28. Juni 1914 in Sarajevo den Mordanschlag auf den österreichisch-ungarischen Thronfolger Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand und dessen Ehefrau Herzogin Sophie verübte. Dadurch wurde die Julikrise ausgelöst, die zum Ersten Weltkrieg führte.

✔ Nur Kleinigkeiten wurden verändert. ✔ Diese Seite beobachten.

Zusammenfassung und Quellen: Todesdatum im julianischen und gregorianischen Kalender (geschrieben so genau wie sein Geburtsdatum) und Status für seinen Geburtsort zu dieser Zeit.

NUR Vorschau zeigen. Änderungen unveröffentlicht.

Christian Gregory (talk) 19:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Unten ist derselbe Absatz wie heute, 28 Feber 2020: https://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

[[Datei:Gavrilloprincip.jpg|mini|Gavrilo Princip während der Haft in Theresienstadt]] Gavrilo Princip (IPA: [ɡǎʋrilo prǐntsip], Serbian: Гаврило Принцип; * 25 [O.S. 1894] 07 in Obljaj, Vilâyet Bosnien; † 28. April 1918 in Theresienstadt, Böhmen, Österreich-Ungarn, heute Tschechien) war ein bosnisch-serbischer nationalistischer Attentäter, der am 28. Juni 1914 in Sarajevo den Mordanschlag auf den österreichisch-ungarischen Thronfolger Franz Ferdinand und dessen Ehefrau Sophie verübte. Dadurch wurde die Julikrise ausgelöst, die zum Ersten Weltkrieg führte.

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Attn: ‘Huon’

Dear Huon,

I shouldn't think you would remember me, but you have come to my aid twice before. Once in helping — through on-line chat help, if I remember — to post an image file. (I did exactly as you instructed, and it worked out great! Well, till someone decided to stick their oar in, but I digress).

Than another time regarding Shibboleths, more specifically a ‘List of shibboleths’ article, when someone was being particularly belligerent, and every time I backed up a fact with a citation, it was immediately dismissed, and this went on & on about seven times, until — you may have been dispensing on-line help again — but someway, somehow, I managed to find you, and you looked at the situation, and sorted things out with one post that stopped this rather destructive & belligerent person dead in his/her tracks.

I think you may already sense what is coming. You would be better aware than I of the concept of ‘adopting an editor’, and I certainly would be most appreciative of your help. You would be a particularly good match for me, as the only other language I occasionally post in, or add to an article is German. Ich kann leider nur wenig. I haven't spoken it in almost 60 years, moreover, I never studied it, I simply know — or knew — the Swiss-Austrian dialect spoken by my late mother, and her parents.

I am old, and slow, and I do not post that often any longer, but there are sometimes I really could use your help, (and especially your help when it comes to a German article). Perhaps one is not meant to ask if someone has not volunteered somewhere first, but do you think you could take me under your guidance?

I promise to try my best on my own first, it's just sometimes I reach an impasse, and you clearly know your way around far better than I ever will.

Regardless, I thank you for your help in the past, and I respect your decision either way.

And I thank you for your time, now, Sincerely, Christian

P.S. You write in English so flawlessly, I'd have never guessed it was not your mother tongue.

Christian Gregory (talk) 10:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad that I could help you earlier, but the past few months I have only rarely found the time to do anything on Wikipedia. While you are of course always welcome to ask on my talk page if you need specific help or advice, I can't guarantee a speedy response, and I don't think I am currently active enough to "adopt" someone in a more structured or formal way. If that's your aim, the people who offer help at WP:Adopt-a-user might be more of a help than me. Huon (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Christian Gregory. Just for reference, when you reference another Wikipedia editor by name in a post you make and you format this reference as a link (for example, as you did with [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]])), then that editor will receive a notification that they've been mentioned. So, every editor you mentioned above in addition to Huon has probably (unless they've disabled the notification feature) received such a notification. Perhaps you knew this and did so intentionally, but maybe you didn't and it was only a mistake. So, when another editor is notified in such a way, it's usually because the person doing the notifying wants them to know they're being mentioned by name and, in turn, wants them to come comment on something. So, don't be surprised if any of the other editors you mentioned above suddenly show up and respond because you've sort of invited them to do so.Anyway, if you've got a question about an image or something, I can try to help.

Based upon what you mentioned above, it appears that File:Karin Lesch 1973.jpg was deleted by an administrator named Explicit. (The Template:U I've used for Explicit's name is another way to notify an editor, and that's why his name appears in blue.) If you've got any questions about the file's deletion, you can ask him about it on his user talk page, After looking at the article, I see only one edit being made by Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, and that edit was this. That edit did remove the an image of Lesch from the infobox, but it does seem (at least to me) to have been the proper thing to do. I'm not a Wikipedia administrator which means that I can't see under what type of copyright license it was uploaded to Wikipedia under, but it was subsequently deleted by Explicit per speedy deletion criteria F5 so it was most likely uploaded as non-free content. Non-free files can, in general, be hard to use on Wikipedia because there are so many restrictions placed upon them by Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. There are in fact ten criteria that each non-free file must meet each time it's used and the file can't be used if it fails even one of these criteria. In this case, Hullaballoo Wolfowitz removed the file for failing non-free content use criterion #1 because non-free images of still living individuals are pretty much never allowed as explained here and here. This is a long-standing policy on Wikipedia which is why many articles written about still-living person don't use non-free images for primary identification purposes. I can't find any record of you asking Hullaballo Wolfowitz about this and perhaps he probably could've explained his reasons for removing the file a bit better than he did in the edit summary he left, but his removing of the file wasn't vandalism, at least not as Wikipedia defines vandalism. Even when a freely-equivalent image of a living person doesn't currently exist or can't currently be found, it's still considered (in most cases) reasonable that a free-equivalent image which could serve the same purpose as a non-free one can possibly be created or found by someone at some point; therefore, Wikipedia policy doesn't really allow us to use a non-free image in sort of a temporary way until someone does find a free-equivalent image. Of course, sometimes things are a bit complicated than that and I'm only describing the way this policy has been interpreted over the years by Wikipedia when it comes to non-free images of still-living people.

If after reading the above you still feel an error has been made regarding this file (i.e. it shouldn't have been deleted or removed), the best thing for you to do would be to try and explain things to Explicit. A file that has been deleted isn't really gone forever; it's still in Wikipedia's system, but has only been hidden from public view and it can be restored by an administrator. So, if you explain the situation to Explicit and he agrees with your assessment, then he can (and most likely will) restore the file. If not, he will explain why and perhaps also explain what your options might be if you disagree with his assessment. If you do try and discuss things with Explicit, it will be better if you can explain how the use of the file meets all ten of the criteria I mentioned above because that's how he's going to assess the matter. It will also help if you keep your focus on the image and the way it's intended to be used and not try commenting on other motivation of any other editors (e.g. calling their edits vandalism) because that won't help justify the restoration of the file. As I mentioned above, I used a notification template when I mentioned Explicit by name; so, perhaps he will see that and decide to post something here; however, it would probably be better for you to simply just post a request on his user talk page and not wait for him to post anything here. If you have further questions about images and image use, feel free to ask them below and I can try and answer them. If you want to get input from other editors about non-free image use or non-free image licensing, you can try Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or Wikipedia talk:Non-free content criteria and someone will try to answer them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly (talk), point well taken. Much obliged.

I just saw your note on my talk page. I don't remember discussing this image with you, but if I advised you to upload it under a claim of fair use, then unfortunately I was wrong, and Hullaballo Wolfowitz was right in removing the image from the article. I'm sorry if I gave you incorrect advice. The requirement that no free equivalent can be created rules out non-free images of living persons: It's possible for someone to seek out Karin Lesch, take a photo of her and publish it under a free license. This requirement is handled so strictly that even for Kim Jong Un, certainly a very inaccessible person, we didn't have a non-free photo but a freely licensed "photorealistic sketch" until he visited Russia and the Russians published a freely licensed photo of him. So again my apologies if I gave wrong advice about this photo. Huon (talk) 21:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

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Southampton : to the attention of User:BrownHairedGirl

Dear User:BrownHairedGirl,

Of my 8th Aug. 2022 edit of Southampton, you reverted with the note: "fr too much detail for the lead", for which I thanked you, and not sarcastically. You're much more experienced than I so that if you felt it too much detail for the lead, who am I to disagree. The lead does, however, contain points like ceremonial county of Hampshire, when for brevity sake, Hampshire would have done, with one finding that it is a 'ceremonial county' if one were inclined to follow the link.

In the case of the ubiquitous abbreviation of 'So'ton, Hants' or just 'Soton', this is not only an official Government abbreviation used on the Motor Way, etc., but can also be found in many other instances so as to all but rival the used of 'Southampton, Hampshire' written out in full. As such, and as a native of Southampton, I grew up aware, as I am to this day, of what confusion can be created by using this more-common-than-not abbreviation only to learn how many are unfamiliar with it, and as such find it an enigma.

Having pared down my addition to six brief words to cover this subject, I wonder if it would now meet with your approval, or if you might find a way of paring it down even further (perhaps not so many citations are needed, but then Murgatroyd49 undid my initial revision for want of citations which he called unreliable).

Any help or assistance you could add so that at least something of what I feel is an important inclusion in the article would be most appreciated. (Please forgive my attempts. I am an old man with neither your education nor your area of expertise).

I thank you for your time,

Yours sincerely,

Christian Gregory ... (Just my name; here too I am again lacking in style :)

Christian Gregory (talk) 07:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Christian

Thanks for the friendly tone of your msg.

It was actually me who reverted[1] your latest edit[2]. My edit summary was intended to give you guidance on where to find suitable sources: that was more terse, but the sourcing is terrible: trivial mentions (some in databases), and unreliable sources. This needs high-quality sources: gazetteers, scholarly works, historical studies etc ... not just fluff from the top of a google search.

I don't have much to add that, except to stress that a good ref would be to a WP:RS (ideally a scholarly work, but at least work which has been through an editorial quality control process) which actually discusses the name. Your refs were mostly example of usage of the name, which are not much use because they give no indication of how widespread the use is.

When searching for refs, I commend using Google Scholar or Google books, rather than a general web search. JSTOR is also a great resource.

Hope this helps. Good luck! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear User:BrownHairedGirl,

I just now found your kind reply. (I do rather seem to be backward in all I try to do).

Thank you for your suggestions, and your candour. (I think we both realise I am more than out of my depths).

I do appreciate your patience with me ... perhaps the kindest thing I can do is to stop trying it :).

Yours sincerely,

Christian Gregory

Christian Gregory (talk) 08:14, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Christian, the Wikipedia software is notorious for being very confusing to newcomers, so please don't put yourself down for not getting on top of it straight away. We have all been through that painful process ... so please don't give up.

May I make another suggestion?

You have made good progress on one key part of your work: devising a more concise form of words to introduce the nicknames. That's great, and you should take pride in having got that bit right so quickly. You have an aptitude for this.

However, you still need better sources, and you feel understandably a bit daunted by that. So I suggest asking for help at the WP:TEAHOUSE. There you will find friendly and helpful editors with more time than me, who can assist you through that process ... and since you are clearly a friendly and thoughtful person, someone will enjoy helping you learn the ropes. I hope that you will soon be able to add this info in a way which meets the quality standards. That would be a happy outcome for everyone, 'cos we all want Wikipedia to be improved and don't want you to feel defeated. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear User:BrownHairedGirl,

I just now found your reversion:

"terrible: trivial mentions (some in databases), and unreliable sources ... not just fluff from the top of a google search".

You don't mince words. I can only apologise. Clearly, Wikipedia is the province of those more erudite than I. I didn't set out to make your day any harder.

Once again, I do apologise.

Yours sincerely,

Christian Gregory

Christian Gregory (talk) 08:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

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