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Notability of Dave carpenter

A tag has been placed on Dave carpenter requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. AP1787 (talk) 22:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

In unasked-for response to your user page

A good way around that would probably be to make sure a page can stand on its own before fully and formally submitting it. If it's not quite ready to stand up without getting dog-piled with tags, deletion templates, etc., just stash the text in a text document when you reach a stopping point. - Vianello (talk) 05:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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And how does one do that exactly when there seems to be so much variability, contradiction and inconsistency in the application of tags? At least, for us newbie page creators it seems this way.

In this case, this particular page was for a noted Jazz musician who recently passed away. I thought it wise to get a page set up for him to parallel this unfortunate event, so people could xref the news with some information about him. I think just slapping a notability or speedy deletion tag on this page, in this intance, even though a WIP, is intellectually lazy and heavy handed. Clearly it's a new page, and these things take time to edit, not all the information is available immediately and again, the timing was such that I felt the page was needed now. Thanks for your input, you do make a valid alternative opinion to get around similar admin-leap-to-tag mentality.

• It's not a perfect solution, nor am I trying to "shoot you down" or anything. It's just my personal advice. Posting a page when you have all of one sentence ready (I'm not saying that's what you did - illustrative exagerration here) and then trying to add stuff as you go is a surefire way to get smacked down. Even if you're working toward a brilliant, notable, totally appropriate article, if it's sitting there looking like a mess, it's impossible for people to know if it's going to be that, or if it's going to just stay a mess. I can tell you from my experience, most of them tend to do the latter, and folks are likely to assume that. I really know nothing about your particular case. It's just a suggestion. I really appreciate you taking it in the spirit it was intended. If I can help you with anything, please let me know. - Vianello (talk) 05:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks Vianello. I'm just frustrated, no good deed goes unpunished and all. I've tried to update Wiki a handful of times, all in the area of Jazz music/musicians, and it seems like it's been a net negative experience. It's ironic, too, with so much vandalism and crap directed at this site, yet honest attempts (ill formed and hastily constructed as they may be), are met with tags. Anyway, thanks for the tips and the input, I honestly do appreciate it and don't want to come across unappreciative or rude. In this case, this particular page is for a jazz bass player (Dave Carpenter) who, like many unsung Jazz players, do not get a lot of press coverage (certainly not anywhere proportional to their accomplishments) and therefore finding bios and other material rapidly is challenging. I'm a moderator at a website for a guitar player who recorded with this particular guy and I feel very motivated to see that people who wish to know more about him can do so through this excellent resource. Peace out.