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Why did you delete my replies in the discussion with Diannaa, what is this racism ! ميناء (talk) 11:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

To begin with you can you please drop the racism accusations - we don't even know each other, so how can racism exist in that vacuum? Second - I'll go take a look, I didn't mean to delete ANY posts. — Ched (talk) 11:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Racist behavior does not require prior knowledge, I wrote a reply again. ميناء (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
ميناء - I apologize - it looks like I deleted it accidentally when I was attempting to put a signature on a post. My guess is that I had a window open at the same time as sign bot was placing that signature. I've restored it. — Ched (talk) 11:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
But do tell - what is it I'm supposedly racist about? — Ched (talk) 11:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
When a person intervenes in a debate that is not his own, deletes the opinion of one of the interlocutors and maintains the other, this is racist behavior. ميناء (talk) 11:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
First - I wasn't intervening in ANYTHING, I was adding a signature that you forgot to put at the end of your post. Second, I think you need to learn the definition of racism. Third - I apologized and put the deleted post back. And fourth - I'm really not interested in you false and hollow claims, so find another editor to bother. — Ched (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, you asked me and I answered you. As for the annoying people, I don't need to look for them, because they are everywhere. ميناء (talk) 11:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Indeed — Ched (talk) 11:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Question for arbs

Dear Arbcom,

Given this little nugget, I'm thinking that the whole WP:EEML case should be vacated. I could go dig out diffs of "Principles" and "FoF" to show that you folks have just done what you punished so many people for doing back then. I guess this a case of "Do as I say, not as I do". (and yes I know that the ping to user:Arbcom is useless as it's not monitored other than for email, I just want a link or two recorded for posterity) The management around this place is outright disgusting. Shame on all of you. (with a possible exception of WTT since he was recused from the beginning) You all should be ashamed of yourselves and embarrassed to look in the mirror. — Ched (talk) 21:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

have to laugh

I've seen some pretty funny vandalism over the years - but the section header of this one had me laughing my fool head off. — Ched (talk) 06:37, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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I already covered that on the main case page (see the "Harassment / Bullying (2)" subsection of the "Analysis of evidence" section. Here is what I wrote:

Let's analyze what was actually written, shall we? (portions [in brackets] added by me):
I [Fram] quoted what you [Ymblanter] actually said above[...] [Direct quote from Ymblanter:] "Well, both communities felt confident enough to award me [Ymblanter] administrator privileges, something which I [Ymblanter] have not seen you [Only in death] to achieve with either of them." = ["=" clearly meaning "is the equivalent of saying that"] I [Ymblanter] am an admin, you [Only in death] are not.[10]
I [Fram] quoted what you [Ymblanter] actually said above[...] [Direct quote from Ymblanter:] "But, as I [Ymblanter] said, you [Only in death] are certainly entitled to have your [Only in death] opinion on the subject, even if it is completely uninformed and aggressive. This is ok with me [Ymblanter]." = ["=" clearly meaning "is the equivalent of saying that"] you [Only in death] may have your [Only in death] own stupid opinion.[11]
Here is the post Fram was quoting: [12]
So again we see bogus evidence. Fram never wrote "I [Fram] am an admin, you [Ymblanter] are not. You [Ymblanter] may have your own stupid opinion". (BTW, Ymblanter is an admin, so saying that he isn't would be silly.)
Instead Fram characterized Ymblanter as saying the equivalent of "I [Ymblanter] am an admin, you' [Only in death] are not" and of saying the equivalent of "you [Only in death] may have your own stupid opinion."
Reading Ymblanter's original comment the Fram was quoting, it seems like a reasonable criticism. I certainly don't see a shred of evidence in the diff provided that "Fram causes Ybmlanter to resign". Wouldn't you think this would be something T&S would include diffs establishing? I'm just saying.
Again the real problem is not the bogus evidence. It is the bogus evidence that Fram was not allowed to see and which no independent eyes were allowed to review. --Written by Guy Macon 18:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

--Guy Macon (talk) 10:55, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the post Guy. Considering tens of thousands of bytes that's been posted, I hope you'll forgive me for duplicating your thoughts to some extent. I don't know if I completely missed your original post, or if perhaps I have/had gone a bit brain-dead over the whole thing. I do appreciate you pointing it out to me, and again, I do apologize. IMO it is a real shame and a black eye on Wikipedia that the T&S has created. — Ched (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Spam

There is sources available on Flash Rose he is even licensed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiSportsEditor (talkcontribs) 15:55, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Self-promotional spam is not accepted at Wikipedia. — Ched (talk) 16:36, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

A new section

to show @Almond Plate: how notifications work. (I typed {{ping|Almond Plate}} to do that. — Ched (talk) 01:08, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks :) Almond Plate (talk) 12:38, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

August
 
red admiral
... with thanks from QAI

... for improving articles in August! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Why thank you Gerda. To be honest I haven't done much in the line of content or quality editing - just getting some of the wikidata ported over into the short description of articles. I guess it's an easy way to get back into the routine. I'm reading a lot too - trying to get a better understanding of the more advanced ways of citing material. — Ched (talk) 13:05, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
I didn't say you did much ;) - just grabbed the opportunity to pass the you the monthly thanks from QAI, this month picturing the fragile butterfly amidst the thorns, - not a bad image for what we do here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
ps: thank you also for sources, - I am slow to using them but it should happen within the next week, - keep watching Vespro della Beata Vergine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:05, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh - the .pdf file, no problem. I'm glad you can make use of it. And I have Vespro on my watchlist (would it be correct to call it gospel music?). Gerda Arendt, since I know of your love of music - perhaps you would enjoy Vespro della Beata Vergine (Claudio Monteverdi) as a source for some of your music? — Ched (talk) 16:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
I understand gospel music as gospel music, which is not it. Thanks for the link. My souce is the score, going to sing on 1 September, and getting excited about it (see my talk). One listener will fly in from the U.S.. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
OK - I will try to listen to more, yes that is what I mean by gospel music. It was the closest thing I could think of. Classical music doesn't seem to capture the whole meaning either - I will read more. Congratulations on the singing of it - I wish I could visit to listen and hear you too, but those days where I could travel are gone now. I do wish you the very best with it though. — Ched (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

And the butterfly is beautiful - thank you. — Ched (talk) 21:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

If you click on "August" above it, you get to the musical plans and many more pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
That's a lot of material, - it may take me a while to go through it. But thank you. :-) — Ched (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
My memory is bad, so I need to make notes ;) - if you have little time, go for 12 January, Ray's Rules. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
I can relate to the memory issues. Will check that one out for sure. — Ched (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

test

Dear Arbcom, I'm not seeing any diffs in your remedy? Seems a bit odd. diffs or it didn't happen. And the first person that claims "privacy"? Imma WP:WHALE yo butt. We're not asking who sent you anything - We're asking for a public diff. Now you say it: "public". Alrighty then? — Ched (talk) 00:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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I don't want to post on Eric's talk page; he's gone, let's leave him be. As the protecting admin explicitly said anyone was fine to undo it, I don't think there's any policy-backed reason you can't do this. I assume Eric's attitude to this is similar to mine, which is you should tolerate freedom of speech as much as is practical. It does mean that anyone who re-does the protection is wheel-warring. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Well first things first RICHIE!!! - so good to see you, and I am sorry you got such a raw deal. re Eric, I tried to do what was right, that's all anyone can do. I really appreciate you dropping me a note - TY, and I agree. And yes, I think Eric prefers things out in the open, and I guess let nature take its course. — Ched (talk) 17:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

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Visual Editor has a problem - imagine that. Keep on changing, 'updating', "fixing", etc. There's still a few things that aren't broke. — Ched (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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I'll think about it - but consider me as doubtful. — Ched (talk) 17:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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The pictures don't really tell me anything. Also - I tried VE about 2 weeks ago .. AGAIN - still not a fan. sorry. — Ched (talk) 17:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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I'm not a fan of mobile editing either. Too many mistakes happen that way. — Ched (talk) 17:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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I replied to the email by email Barkeep49 - or something to that affect. — Ched (talk) 19:33, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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I mistakenly thought your comments on my talk page were directed towards me. Once I realized my mistake, I retracted my response. Toddst1 (talk) 14:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Toddst1:, you have no idea how glad I am to hear that. I got up this morning and saw the first responses, and just said "Mark all as read" and figured somehow I screwed up in trying to help. I thought it best to just move on and not trouble you anymore, and took your talk off my watchlist. I've always had a great deal of respect for your work here, and I have to admit - I was a bit bummed out by it. So glad it was crossed signals in communication. Cheers. — Ched (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I should have known that [my interpretation of] a response like that from you directed at me was uncharacteristic (although you never know what to expect from ANI). Have a good weekend. Toddst1 (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
All good. You have a good weekend as well. — Ched (talk) 16:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

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Removal of Wiki Commons images - wholesale

If you look at the edit history of the films of Josef von Sternberg early in 2019, you will see that dozens of images were stripped from the articles in a single day. Can you discern who did this, and why? The images no longer exist at Wiki Commons. I strongly suspect vandalism. --38.126.242.222 (talk) 18:11, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I'll try to take a look tonight, although I'm not a sysop on commons. I don't think anyone except a sysop on commons can delete the pictures there, so it's more likely some sort of WP:COPYVIO issue where the pictures weren't in public domain. — Ched (talk) 19:09, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sorry it took me a month to acknowledge your nice message. :( All seems well. I haven't been getting myself into as much trouble as I used to. Mellowing with age, maybe. Or maybe just avoiding it, most of the time. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots12:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey Bugs, no problem. I logged back in a couple months ago, mainly because of the whole WP:FRAM issue, and haven't really left again ... at least not yet. I looked around a bit, and didn't see your name at WP:AN or WP:ANI and it got me wondering if you were still around. Your talk page was blank, so I checked your contribs and noticed you're mostly working on reference/help desk things. I just wanted to say hello. I thought maybe you were just avoiding everything and everybody just for some peace and quiet. Glad you're not getting in to much trouble these days. Take care my friend. — Ched (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Well, they asked (or told) me to stay away from ANI for at least 6 months. That was nearly a year and a half ago, and things are just fine. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots02:37, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Glad it's going so well for you. :-) — Ched (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to read you've been thinking about leaving

What the subject says. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:48, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

TY Barkeep49, it's just an option, not a certainty. The culture here has changed drastically over recent years, it's a lot of work to catch-up. We'll see. Not something I want to get into a big "on wiki" discussion about. (actually surprised that his page is so well watched) but TY. — Ched (talk) 04:58, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to archive for now if you don't mind - feel free to email if it's something you want to discuss. — Ched (talk) 05:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Kbrown (WMF) - I'm really sorry I let this slip through the cracks. I know it's well beyond the expiration date, but I'll try to jot down a couple notes sometime this weekend. Cheers and best, — Ched (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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SQL - I know it's somewhat automated, but TY for the message. I really don't have anything because I've never really worked with the Portal stuff. I could add the links and info about the BHG block and unblock - but that's more a civility/NPA issue than a Portal issue. On top of that, I wasn't involved in either the block or unblock so I'd think that would be up to Diannaa or JBW to provide evidence. Still, I appreciate the note - and if you really want me to find the links for the block issue then let me know and I'll dig them up. Best, — Ched (talk) 23:20, 26 November 2019 (UTC)