User talk:Casliber/Archive 22

Messages from Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail)

Adoption Request: Hi Casliber, I saw your name of the list users offering adoption. I've been a WP for about 2 months, editing anonymously. I created a user name because of all the benefits. So far I think I know the "basic" stuff like a bit of wiki markup, making articles, e.t.c. I'd like to learn some of the advanced stuff. Is it possible for you to adopt me? Regards. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 14:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Casliber! Thanks for accepting my adoption request. Your help and assistance will be of great value to me.

My main interest is article writing as well as article editing. I intend to contribute primarily to Computer science and engineering related articles as well as Hinduism-related articles (esp. Mahabharata). Apart from that I will indulge in rectification of grammatical errors, etc. of all articles (that I read). I stay in New York and I plain to be on WP from 10pm to 11pm EST (minus 4 hours from GMT).

I also have 2 questions to ask:

1. I know certain users and all administrators have a rollback feature. From the description of the feature on the WP:ROLLBACK page it seems that what it does can also be performed in a more "manual" way by ordinary users. To rollback several edits, you could click on the older version you want to revert to, then click "edit" and save the page like that. So how does thisrolback feature differ from what I described? Or is my understanding of rollback incorrect?
2. Suppose a page I created and put a lot of effort in writing it gets deleted. If I re-create the page, can I get back my work from the revision history; ie. if a deleted page is re-created, is the revision history of the previously deleted page restored?

Thanks! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 15:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

In answer to your questions - yes, rollback is like the undo feature but more convenient. Regarding the second question, it is a straightforward fix. What an admin do is momentarily undelete the page and Move the page, complete with history, to userspace. I have done this before, so ask me if it happens. One way to preempt questions of notability is to begin an build on an article substantially on a draft page. I will make one for you if you don't already have one. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I am primarily interested in expanding each parvan in the Mahabharata#The_18_parvans into seperate dedicated articles. Just for a short intro, the Mahabharata is an important Hindu scripture. It consists of 18 books called "parvans". Translations of each parvan can be found here. So I'll be making 18 articles for each parvan, but as of now I have only one reference which is the one above. I'm also rather sure that they deserve seperate articles since Wikipedia does have articles for each book of the Bible, Quran, Rigveda e.t.c. What do you think?

Additionally I have some doubts regarding your previously reply. Firstly, is a draft page a page created temporarily in something like a user sandbox? Secondly, You said an admin undeletes a page and moves it to userspace. Did you mean mainspace?

Cheers! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 01:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, a draft page is a sandbox like you have done. It is in userspace. You can make any number of articles in userspace as subarticles of your userpage. Thus I would move article 'X' to 'User:Arjun G. Menon/X' (i.e. userspace). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou. I will work on the draft page you have made for me. I have not yet read the translations of the parvans. I will read the parvans & summarize them for the article. Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 14:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Great. I can check your progress as you go. Once you have some commentary and references as well as a plot summary, I can let you know when and how to move it to article space (with the history preserved) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be nice to create stub articles for the parvans and then work on them in mainspace. Pros are the articles will all have discussion pages & people will start noticing them (after I linkify the parvan titles in the Mahabharata) and therefore contribute to them. Is this possible or will the stub pages get deleted? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 21:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

You can try. I like it that way better, but I am wary of overzealous deleters patrolling. OK, let's do it that way and I will keep an eye on it. It encourages others to drop in and help. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Casliber. Sorry for the lack of communication. I was busy with college (started on 2nd), and never really got much time to read the parvans. Those parvans are really lengthy and it will be quite some time before I finish the first. I've decided to refocus my editing to CS articles for the time being. If I need any help, I'll ask you. Cheers! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 02:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I recently uploaded this image for the Arc (PL). I believe the author has made it public domain, but could you verify please... Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 03:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of any link releasing the image to the public domain, its basically a pic that Paul Graham has uses in his site's Arc page. Paul has also got a page on his site dedicated to this image: which dates the chair to 1947. I recently got this notice regarding the image. My guesses are the image is public. Do we have to prove this? What do you think? Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 04:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to add a userbox for my university (SUNY Stony Brook / Stony Brook University), so I took a look at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Education/United_States#New_York, but couldn't find it listed there. How do I create one for it? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 05:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I've figured out how and made a couple. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a another small (unrelated) question to ask you. Is it OK to upoad to whatever images I like on Wikipedia, as long as I'm the one who created. I have created a page User: Arjun G. Menon/Photos where I would like to put up photos of me. I'm talking about creating a photo album on WP's servers. These images won't be used in articles and stuff, they are mostly family photos (and I don't mind releasing them to the public domain). So is using WP to host one's personal photo album against the rules? Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 14:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Casliber! I'd like to know whether images taken from Google Maps can be unploded onto Wikipedia. I also ran into trouble for the recent image I uploaded for this template. Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Casliber. Regarding the logo; you said don't use Fair Use for userboxes. My quesiton is, which license/copyright-notice whould be used on such images (non-free images inteded only to be used in userboxes) ? (BTW, I've uploaded a new image for the userbox in question, so this one won't be used. Just wanted to know how the system works.) Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) ..? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:06, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It's true, swoopo does indeed deserve an article, especially considering the controversy that surrounds it. I just googled swoopo and came across a list of news articles, blogs, interviews, e.t.c. about it. (most of them focus on the controversial aspect). Neverthless, can these suffice as means to prove the notability of swoopo? Can I use the links (obtained from googling swoopo) as sources for the proposed article? Thanks. Cheers. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC) ..? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 02:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Searched Google News for "Swoopo", could not find any articles on it from UK national newspaper. There was only one [website] from the UK, but the subject of its article is something totally different and only mentions Swoopo in a passing. There are a couple of articles on it from the Technologizer although. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 05:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Casliber. I'll certainly contact the people at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard and ask them for advice, once I finsih writing the article. Thanks for pointing me there. BTW, I tried moving User:Arjun G. Menon/Workshop/Swoopo to Swoopo, but it seems that the Swoopo (redirect page) needs to be deleted first, before I can move my page to it. Could you delete the redirect article Swoopo for me? Thanks. Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 00:32, 24 October 2008 (UTC) ... Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 21:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 03:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Casliber! I was checking out an article's history today, and I notice that the external tool "Revision History Statistics" has been replaced by "Enhanced revision history". I found the older tool, a lot lot more useful/better than the new one. I was wondering, if you have an idea as to what happened. Cheers! Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 09:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The name has been changed to back to "Revision History Statistics", but the actual tool remains the same. Any idea what happened? Arjun G. Menon (talk · mail) 06:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

A bird-related article that could benefit from your attention

Don Merton. Okay, you made one edit to it back in January 2007. I have a feeling this is a pretty interesting fellow, as would be the saving of the black robin. Of course, I also have a feeling that there are a few other bird-loving editors who pop into this page occasionally and might also be motivated to improve the article. At least this fellow is from the same hemisphere as you. :-) Risker (talk) 04:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Dunno much about him, for some reason someone really enjoys vandalising Black Robin and I am mystified why. I'll see what I can do. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I've removed a comment of yours

Casliber;
I've undone and edit of yours. It was fairly provocative, don't you think? That being said, I'll do no more w.r.t. it should you (or anyone else) decide to put your "child grooming" comment back.
Cheers big ears,
brenneman 06:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

(sigh)...(shrugs shoulders) yeah, fair enough. We'll stick to the subject, though I am getting less confident of all aprties accepting consensus in debates outside AfD and FAC...for amusement have a look at Talk:Werewolf#Merger_proposal - at what point do I close this as consensus/no consensus or how %#%(&%%*& long do I leave it open....(jumps back to original topic in stream-of-consciousness typing) I can't chase these Monty orginal sources, I have tried to find a psych definition of pederast but it appears to be treated synonymously with pedophilia or not mnetioned at all in any psych material I have found. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

related question

ArbCom candidates are being asked standard questions, one of them being: User:Smith is banned after a long series of behavioral problems including harassment of User:Jones, which Smith continues on his personal blog. A checkuser presents evidence that Smith has returned as User:Smythe. His editing is without incident and he is avoiding Jones. The Committee decides to ignore the Smythe account. Some time later, Smith emails the Committee, disclosing the Smythe account and pointing out Smythe's good edits, and asking to be unbanned. However, he has continued to post negative comments about Jones on his blog, and Jones objects to allowing Smith to edit under any account name. What should be done?

How about a variation of the question:

User:Smith is banned after a long series of behavioral problems including harassment of User:Jones, which Smith DOES NOT continues on his personal blog. A checkuser presents evidence that Smith has returned as User:Smythe. His editing is without incident and he is avoiding Jones. Some time later, Smith emails the Committee, disclosing the Smythe account and pointing out Smythe's good edits, and asking to be unbanned. However, he has NOT continued to post negative comments about Jones on his blog, and Jones objects to allowing Smith to edit under any account name. What should be done? ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED OF UNBAN? Chergles (talk) 19:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Please respond. I am looking for a prompt response even more so than the actual answer, though both desired. Chergles (talk) 16:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Chergles - crappy connection yesterday:

OK. The ultimate goal is writing an encyclopedia (duh). Ultimately the benefits of a reformed, productive editor have to be taken into account vs. the conditions they were banned for and the feeling in the community were a banned editor to return. These will all vary from case to case (eg off-wiki stalking or some other antisocial behavior is obviously right out/forget it etc.) If a banned editor showed that they had been highly productive with a new account here, or (say) at other wikis for an extended period, that would be a start. Next would be consultation with aggrieved parties from the first time round. If the person is allowed to continue, conditions have to be strict enough to give the previous aggrieved parties and the community that there is a sense of control of the situation (i.e. if a large portion of people just said "no way" and had good reasons for doing so, that the loss of morale and trust is such that other editors felt unsafe, it would be extremely hard to justify). If all these are right then a trial may be possible (not a given). An example is the Jack Merridew case at arbcom at present.

I figured you might be; you wanna enlighten me by email? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I might be what? I might be Jack Merridew? No, I'm not Jack Merridew. I hope he is not a stalker or a vandal. Or did you figure that I was just interested in you being responsive to answering a question?

The reason I asked the modified question was because the original question was too easy. For example, "the bad Wikipedia editor is also a murderer, tortures animals, and dumps toxic waste on the ground..should he edit?" rather than "the Wikipedia editor has definite strong points, how to handle it".

My interest in asking you a question is that I wrote to ArbCom before and they never answered. (The problem was subsequently solved more than a year ago.) Since you are running for ArbCom, if I asked you a question and you ignored it, I'm not sure that I could support such a candidate. Maybe the solution for ArbCom is a Customer Service Department? I might be willing to help as I work with customers on a daily basis.

Good luck in your ArbCom candidacy. No further response from you is needed given your busy schedule. Chergles (talk) 18:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why I'm reading this, but I find it incredibly important to note that this does not take into account the user named User:Smith Jones. Heh. Okay mates, back to your regularly scheduled serious conversation....(oh, and also? I noticed you post on User talk:Everyme, I'm working on trying out some resolution with the blocker(s) and blockee, feel free to jump in wherever you see fit (and please don't wait until it's an Arbcom case, you'll have to recuse :-) ...thanks Cas -- Keeper ǀ 76 03:53, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Har har XD....I asked him to give me a blow-by-blow (i.e. diff by diff) breakdown as his points definitely did seem valid and insightful WRT Obama. The question is whether RfC or arb...I just thought that the way it descended into tit for tat blocking was not good. I can understand the blocks, but just thought this would be a good case to discuss openly and in a structured format. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Garden/WikiCup

Ohai Casliber, I see that you are listed towards the top of this page, which means you have experience with article writing and expanding articles -- getting them featured. I'd like you to check out the WikiCup, beginning in January for the fourth cup. ayematthew ✡ 23:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh crud, another competition..hmmmm..nice design.........have to ruminate on this one...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Christmas Meetup

G'day all - I'm hoping that I might persuade you along to a Wiki christmas celebration / meetup on december 18th :-) - The meetup regulars are a friendly bunch, and we're very much hoping to get a few new folk along to chat about all things Wiki (and there are apparently some exciting things in the pipeline! Come along to find out a bit more ;-) - you can sign up here - and do feel free to edit that page with any more ideas or suggestions too :-)

Hope to see you there - I've heard a rumour that the first drink is on the highest placed Australian in the current arbcom elections.... Privatemusings (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)ok, so I started that rumour too....

Bonsai

Very cool idea. But...(a) what species, and (b) is that Ganesha? Guettarda (talk) 17:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Ficus rubiginosa. We get seedlings of that and Ficus macrophylla popping up everywhere. In a playground near me there is a Ficus obliqua that I am trying to collect seed off as it has both (a) small leaves and (b) buttressed roots..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Gavin.collins RFC/U

Hello. A request for comment on user conduct has recently been filed regarding Gavin.collins. Since you have been involved in the dispute regarding his disruptive edits, I thought that you would want to know. You can see the RFC/U here. Thank you. -Drilnoth (talk) 21:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Good one, thanks. BOZ (talk) 03:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Sound therapy

Better is: this for those who do (its great); this for the feckers who don't (it tries hard but is just absolute art rubbish). And this for the vid game FAC'r. (last one was a big comp., so have mercy, maybe.) Ceoil (talk) 02:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...interesting, I seem to like more tuneful things as I get older...this (or this 93 remix) was a great Australian band, but you could only get their stuff on import in Oz as it was all produced O/S. Great zen/karma/relaxing/unearthly....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Did like the 93 remix more...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The 93 remix more? Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Dude you are an unculitvated snob, read [1], and join be for some cherry later on this afternoon, when I can sneer whith what I feel like is an equal ;0 Ceoil (talk) 02:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, when one is jumping around on a dancefloor rollicking away anyway, and nowadays my crammed life and sleep deprivation also does prefer music with a little adrenaline (or epinephrine bleerrghh horrid word) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

PS: Tres funny website. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind deleting The Raft of the Medusa so I can page move Raft of the Medusa. Thanks. Ceoil (talk) 12:49, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

One last favour, and I will never darken you door again. Wikipedia is telling me "The page could not be moved: a page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name, or use Requested moves to ask an administrator to help you with the move. Do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text." So I suppose I need your super powers again. Also the move reason should be In line with the common English title and the original French, WP's dislike of "The" not withstanding. Thanks for letting me push my luck! Ceoil (talk) 13:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Great. Thank you. Ceoil (talk) 13:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

My ACE vote

No, I'm not going to embarrass myself further by telling you whom I was mistaking you for; let's just say that it's someone whose username is sort of (but not very) similar to yours and that I'm not very good with names in RL. It was, however, unconscionable of me not to investigate my confused recollections before firing off that vote. I really have to learn to stay off WP when I'm tired and have a couple of glasses of wine in me. Again, I apologize. Deor (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hehehe, nevermind. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Your candidacy

Thank you for providing a response to my question, however, I feel that it is incomplete. I request that you review your answer and address the other 3 parts of the question (I've made this request underneath your response too). Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I have to run off now - wil answer i a few hours. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem - you answered my questions very promptly, which is very much appreciated. Hopefully the other candidates who were asked these questions can follow suit. Cheers again, Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

No trouble at all, thought provoking as I had been mulling over some of that for the past four weeks and my idea is slowly crystallising :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Salangbato

You were involved in a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salangbato, Philippines regarding this barangay's notability. Currently, there is merge discussion at Talk:Salangbato#Merger proposal. Your input would be appreciated.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh whoa...a really cool idea this one

Hello there, Casliber! Today's your lucky day, because you have new messages at L'Aquatique's talk page. Creepy grinning smilie You can remove this notice at any time by removing this template.

Amanita muscaria

Its actually not looking too bad, had a wee go at it. What's the deal with the references on that page, I been adding them with cite templates but most seem to be in another format, hope I'm not making more work for someone. What about this?[2] its not often I get to say to an Australian, we are better than you at rugby league :). Mr Bungle | talk 00:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm..they should be in cite format. I did much of this a really long time ago, wiki-wise, so there is all sorts of stuff need tweaking. Great sprucing up so far..I really want to fix up the pop culture stuff somehow, there should be some references out there...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Shrooms

he he, you last post on Sandy's talk sounds like a request to me. Will do, glad to help. Ceoil (talk) 00:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Cool! I found a cool haiku too...(will get it on the article talk apge later) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:22, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Northern River Otter:Peer Review

Hello Casliber.

I was referred to you by Ceranthor (talk) on the note that you had copy-editing skills that could help me during the peer review process. I have been working on the Northern River Otter article in hopes that I could ultimately promote it to FA status. It's in its beginning stages, but I'm confident that goal can be achieved by utilizing the expertise of experienced Wikipedia users. I would be delighted if you could stop by sometime and provide some feedback on peer review or assist with the editing process.

Thank you and best regards, --Wikitrevor (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for your assistance Casliber. I appreciate your edit contributions and valuable advice. I'll be sure to integrate your suggestions into the whole refinement process for Northern River Otter.

Best regards, --Wikitrevor (talk) 22:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:AUS 200 GA drive

Last year we managed to pull off the century by the end of the year. What do you think about this year? We're on 178! You're one of our trump cards. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Ack, we're trying to get 50 bird FAs and 50 GAs by he end of the year too, plus I need to return a book I borrowed on Amanita muscaria..ah well, I can do some Australian bird GAs and get two for the price of one... hehehehe Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

(Premature) Toldja

I, for one, welcome our new arbcom overlord. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted partner infuriator I can be helpful in rounding up editors to toil in their underground FA factories. Eusebeus (talk) 05:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

hahaha - all TV episodes are equal, but some are more equal than others....anyway here is a popular culture ref I intend adding to Amanita muscaria - classic paintings, Dodson, cultural refs of real pathos/kudos/bathos as well as super mario bros. Ewven got a haiku on the talk page...hopefully this is an article which can show what a good pop culture section can be..as long as I can find the damn scholalry refs!!! PS: The other seed for the arbcom was seeing it on Brenneman's page I think (I tohught if he could do it, so could I I guess...

I have been very flattered by the supports (and even some of the opposes!) from the deletion-minded crew. Anyway, it ain't over yet so I won't count my chickens just yet...(tangential rambling swtiched off now) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Gross and yuck

This kind of fungus is why I think shrooms are disgusting. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Referencing/BLP

Hello, Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Living_people is useful for tracking edits to BLPs, if you want to incorporate it into your suggestion at Wikipedia:Improving referencing efforts. WP:CATSCAN can also be used to find BLPs with referencing issues. Regards, Skomorokh 02:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm interesting...thanks for those. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Skomorokh, I am sure I saw a summary page somewhere...or maybe my memory is playing tricks on me...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

A summary page of what exactly? There's a collection of BLPs up for deletion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Living people, but I don't think that's what you mean... Skomorokh 17:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Wally Grout

Hehehe, my mother has a biography of him lying around at her place, so there is an easy DYK in a few days...(He was my grandmother's favourite player) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

All the way to GA no doubt? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 08:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

errr mebbe...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

Thanks a lot for the barnstar; but my contribution was very minor compared to others in MDD. Anyway; it has finally become a FA and it has been a great team work. I hope we cross again soon in other articles. Best regards--Garrondo (talk) 08:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but it was crucial at a time when my resolve was flagging....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion

The above-linked ban review has been closed and a motion passed. Jack Merridew (talk · contribs) is unblocked, conditional to the restrictions and mentorship arrangement set out in the motion, available in full at this link. The three mentors assigned are Jayvdb (talk · contribs), Moreschi (talk · contribs) and yourself.

For the Arbitration Committee,
Daniel (talk) 10:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

• User:Jack Merridew recently posted this. This seems uncivil in its insulting usage "Jeers". It also seems an inappropriately inflammatory topic which, due to its dramatic nature, seems likely to get Jack straight back into more trouble. I'm not sure what is best done about this but started here since you are his mentor and somewhat familiar to me. If you would prefer me to report the incident elsewhere, please advise. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
• : I certainly wasn't going to use 'cheers', given the context. Also, I'm considering writing up a 'view', but have more important things going. Jack Merridew 15:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

AP Biology Project

I very sorry to say that my student editing Macaroni Penguin has opted out of the course. I had hopes on this one; in that the topic was within reasonable scope. Hopefully, her edits lead to improvement on the article, even though she fell far short of GA status. It is unfortunately typical to have students WP out of the program - it is rigorous and so many base there aptitude and interest in Biology on The Animal Planet. The reality of molecular biology, cell physiology, etc.. tends to take a toll every year. Thank you for adopting her; I hope this will not discourage you from participating in other such projects. Respectfully - Jim Butler Croatan HS --JimmyButler (talk) 16:02, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I got a monograph book on penguins for it and some other articles...and discovered it may be combined with Royal Penguin anyway, so I was unsure how to proceed anyway (and got sidetracked!). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well... ignore the man behind the curtain (me). LNG123 (talk · contribs · count) / Topic: Macaroni Penguin does intend to pursue this topic. I'm pleased in that the content of the article has increased dramatically however,do you perceive a problem with species designation? --JimmyButler (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK next queue

Hi there, decided to drop you a note because you're the first DYK admin who appears to be online right now. Would you mind moving the T:TDYK hooks to queue #1 (the next one)? There's no queues filled right now, and I was just slightly worried that if nobody prepared it there'd be nothing for the bot to move, since the next update is less than two hours from now. I appreciate it, thanks :-) Jamie^☆S93 03:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Aargh! I am just going out the door. I will be back in an hour. It is mid-afternoon here..will see what I can do tehn if no-one else has. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Heck, it has all changed!! Need to run. back in an hour when I can try to fiogure it out. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I meant to say T:DYK/N (the next update's hooks). Thanks anyways! I'll see if somebody else can possibly do it before you can get back, just to be sure that the update is prepared. Cheers, Jamie^☆S93 03:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done Looks like Juliancolton has done it. Thanks for your time, though. :-) Jamie^☆S93 03:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

That's good, as I am in and out all arvo/ Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

an inappropriate userbox

see: User:UBX/HatesUselessTaggers and WP:NPA, WP:AGF and WP:VANDAL.

So, mindless is a personal attack, as is the name of the template. The whole theme is a failure to AGF and is at odds with WP:VANDAL and WP:BATTLEGROUND. The thing should be deleted. IMNSHO, of course. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/HatesUselessTaggers

Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk page width

Hi, Casliber. Your talk page width is about one and a half times the width of my PC's screen, which makes it a pain to read. Do you know why this is? If so, would you consider fixing it, please? Axl ¤ [Talk] 23:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I had a look at this. The problem remains even if all your talk text is removed, so it is part of your talk page skin. I started digging through the code, but gave up in disgust when I discovered you're using tables for layout; or rather, mixing tables with block elements in inscrutable ways. You should invite your mentee to have a squizz: from my interactions with him at Wikisource, it would seem that he is da man when it comes to this stuff. Hesperian 23:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this is weird as it wasn't doing this yesterday...you are right I will ask Jack....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Mushrooms

I'm still wrapped up in the Milton fallout. However, I believe I removed your message a while back without noticing. I'm not sure where it went, but was there anything that you needed? Ottava Rima (talk) 00:18, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, because I linked BorgQueen about it: this. I believe such radical changes that alter common definitions and standard procedure (procedure that suddenly changed from my 40+ previous articles DYKed before) without a large community consensus is highly inappropriate. I also feel that there is an inherent bias from the fact that he established the guidelines. I am also troubled by many non-admin trying to determine what is selected directly to the mainpage, as admins are the ones responsible for the content, and they are selected because of community trust. There are so many issues happening that this is all getting out of hand. I've only been gone from DYK for two weeks and it seems like everything went backwards. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the ref was interesting but superseded. Many thanks for looking :) - I have to read a bit more to see where else to look for information. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Much of the literary criticism doesn't discuss it. If you were correct, I think the distinguishing of the shroom came out too late for criticism to catch up. It would be an interesting topic for a New Historicist who is trying to discuss drug use and social class structures. But I don't think anything has come up. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I took a stab at google and I found this: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. They really add a lot more books to google every day. Some of them are just a tiny note about it, but the context is interesting if you can find a copy of them. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Note, those are the ones that mention Goldsmith. I don't know which ones you have listed already, I just wanted to include those that I found that seem to really discuss him to any length. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I have none of those - some googlebooks are in these funny tantalising fragments while others have huge chunks. I can get to Am Jo psychiatry easy enough. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I am deeply troubled by this. You've been around for a long time. Am I going nuts? Sigh. Ottava Rima (talk) 05:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Pertaining to the above et al, the issue was brought up here against me: here. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Question on my article

I am having some trouble uploading pictures for my article I have been working on and was wondering if you could help me... Here are the links if you can: [3] or [4]

--Dondevoy01 (talk) 03:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

NB: I have reformatted the above links to prevent page widening.

Cas, it is apparent that you are using the retarded browser; please fix this. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Aha. I edit from about six or seven different locations, some of which I do not have control over what browser is used. Certainly, when I do, I do indeed use firefox. Was less enamoured of thunderbird after it crashed (norton antivirus tagged and deleted the whole inbox as infected and I lost lots of emails, many moons ago). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Carry a flash drive w/Firefox and install it as needed! I also use Thunderbird; it's great. I've been using it and FF since beta-times. Recent versions support filtering on an individual email-basis by anti-virus systems. You may well have had something quite nasty aboard; a good reason to use gmail and allow it to serve as a first level of defense and filtering. fyi, I'm not a Norton fan. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree, have switched to Kaspersky. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK template

Hey Calisber, regarding this edit...I'm glad to see you liked the template! It's still very much a work in progress and there are still a lot of issues we're trying to resolve (such as making it less confusing/intimidating for new contributors), so if you have any thoughts on things you didn't like about it, things that could be improved, etc., you are more then welcome to share them at my page or at Template talk:DYKsuggestion! Also, by the way, [premature] congratulations on your performance in the ArbCom elections. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Using yer connections...?

Hey BL, did you ever think of contacting someone like Richie Benaud and asking if they wanted to donate some "off-cut" photos to wikipedia? May be a good way to get some images of players from 1960s anyway. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a little bit recently, that I met and talked to Dr Bernard Whimpress, the curator of the Adelaide Oval museum and Gideon Haigh at a cricket mini-conference. Dr Whimpress did ask me to explain what WP was about and perhaps give a talk about it to the Australian Society of Sports Historians, although GH chortled, perhaps sardonically. when I metnioned that his work was quoted on WP! Nevermind, we'll see what happens as I've been told that my blogpost about Jack Iverson was passed onto GH. I wonder if it was wel reeived though. Also apparently Roger Wills teh ABC radio commentator goes to the ASSH although not when I was there this month. Perhaps I can twist his arm lol. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 00:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

i will keep me fingers crossed...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:DE

Hi, just a quick note to say I think your answer to my question concerning DE is perceptive - aqnd I hope you will make specific constructive concrete suggestions on the DE talk page, or help edit it to the point where it could be a viable policy. One comment, though, concerning the proposal you forwarded that got shot down: I think the flaw with your proposal is that it as an attempt to create a litmus test to identify "disruptive editors" i.e. a class of people. I think any such attempt however well intended will draw a lot of fire. I think a better approach is to come up with criteria for patterns of disruptive editing (i.e. that seeks to classify patterns of edits rather than kinds of editors) because I think this can be applied with more flexibility and take into account varying contexts. Slrubenstein | Talk 01:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, so far I have been doing mainly article writing, and it was a first attempt, and alot of editors whose editing patterns I was pointing out were around to comment. They have remembered it too for this arb election. Agree about taking a step back to look at the overview and focus on editing rather than editor. We'll get there ;) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Help at DYK

Hi Casliber. I was wondering if you could move the next update page at DYK to Queue 1. It has been six hours since the last update and no-one else seems to be around. \ / (⁂ | ※) 00:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK...

…that there are other options to facing the humiliation of surrender? Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

So, what's the proper way to {{Cite book}}, or whatever for a Google scan such as this? I've read this book, but it was a borrow; I could probably get it again, next week.

A Short History of Bali: Indonesia's Hindu Realm‎ - Page 106

by Robert Pringle

It's already mentioned a few times on en:wp; here Dang Hyang Nirartha, for example.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Screw that; I just bought a new copy for only Rp385,000. It's a good book and will come in handy. Also, my friend Charles has loaned his copy out, again. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

They have added a nifty citation add-on to edit tools - look to top right of edit box. great for inline refs. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

This? <ref>Insert footnote text here</ref>

It's easier to just type. I added a bunch of cite books where above book was already being used. There really should be a better mechanism for using one cite book (et al) with different page arguments. And I wish Jonathan's WPCite tool worked with FF3. I also added a list item per your suggestion. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

No no, when you open up a edit-text box, the right-most tab just above it is citation. click on it. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ya, and it generates the above boilerplate. I don't use most of those buttons. Jonathan's tool generated an entire, filled-in, cite template when you invoked it on some other website (right-click…); read page titles, meta tags, and filled in the fields pretty well. But it's broken, now (i.e. FF3 API changed). Cheers. Jack Merridew 12:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah! you meant User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar which has to be turned on in prefs, which I've just done. Cheers. Jack Merridew 06:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK…

…that Category:Subdistricts of Indonesia should have over 5,000 articles in it? Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:47, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Tired

I'm tired of these DYK double standards put forth by Art's supporters. It really needs to end. It was never like this until they started rewriting everything this summer. This was written because they keep redefining what is "prose". Prose meant the body of the text, including everything encyclopedic. But no, quoting your sources no longer counts. Quoting the author on his work no longer matters. Hell, they try to discount sections that are merely "similar" to another page. No more background for literature, that's too much like the biography, even if they are different! This really needs to end. I'm tired of this. It really needs to stop. The double standards need to be erased. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a mild/moderate influenza-like viral illness at the moment (in December????? weird, we had a cold snap recently but me having a cold in summer is ridculous but tehre you go...). This is making my head spin. I may make a point, would it have been simpler to ask for a WP:IAR on quotes? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

This was the page. See how the quotes are used? Very critical info and hard not to use it. Ottava Rima (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, my wording would promote more science articles that rely on charts and such for content. Ottava Rima (talk) 06:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed this thread; have a Hot Lemon at Dewa Warung, it'll clear things right up. Or a Ginger Jive at Iggy's. Cheers, Doc Merridew 07:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

OK Ottava, I see what has happened. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be based on reinterpreting the word prose and the word new. New merely meant that the article was either expanded, or just created. Now its being used to say the content in the article must be "new". As I pointed out, this completely goes against the concept of WP:OR in principle, would remove any ability to rely on important quotes, on excerpts, etc, and would destroy connections to other pages. But the biggest problem is that the "new" is not contained, meaning that they say it must be new, but if you expand the page 5x and still count the original content, you only actually expanded the page 4x. The fact that this was never a problem and that many of my pages were passed without this ever being an issue only verifies that this is a new phenomena and should be dealt with. 4 other people agreed that the "unwritten rules" were problematic, and three believed in my wording, yet they closed the discussion, Gato threatened Rlevse for his comment, and now he is threatening to "deal" with me because I called him out on having no basis for his actions. This is very problematic. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, the pages were already going through on IAR and people still caused a dispute. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Hiya, in response to your message at my talkpage,[5] are you sure you got the right person? I have no idea what you're talking about. --Elonka 21:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

If the problem is someone edit warring on a page (i.e. Banias) (WRT the Ashley Kennedy3 incident), and you think they will use an IP and continue to edit war on a page while logged out, then consider blocking the person (and not IP) and semi-protecting the page. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

You may only have received 92%, but you are a 100% in my eyes. Haha. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 00:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well done. Looks like the annual December ritual case is coming up for your debut. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Casliber/Archive 22's Day!

User:Casliber/Archive 22 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Casliber/Archive 22's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Casliber/Archive 22! Peace, Rlevse ~ A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it.

You were on my list for this anyway, but you get today because I salute anyone who can survive an en wiki arbcom election and stay over 90%! You may one day regret being so successful ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 00:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

• +Me, too. R's right, though; you may regret this, the squabbles aren't over birds; it's more like a blood sport. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!

Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Well done!

I'm sure Wiki will benefit, but I hope we look after you well enough that you don't suffer for your generosity.

Happy Cas Liber day! :D

Alastair Haines (talk) 01:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hehehe, thanks all, more later, gotta eat... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

It's practically a done-deal now — congratulations, Cas. It's great to see you there. And on the note of whether or not your content contributions will suffer, I am of the opinion that you're a benefit to the site however you opt to assist. Even if you aren't as active in content (it would most definitely be missed), it's still clear you'd have changed priorities, and I find it appropriate to encourage that.

You're a fair, intelligent, and uncontroversial editor and administrator, and I'm sure you'll do great on the ArbCom. Master&Expert (Talk) 07:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your near-certain election and the resounding support from across the various strata of the community. It's really heartening to see that your excellent work has been noticed. You will do great. Just keep an eye out for countertransference... :P MastCell ^Talk 19:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Congrats, Cas. Good luck! GlassCobra 20:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I think AC has the effect of making article writers more appreciative of writing articles, after they see what can go on....So hopefully you'll be greater than ever before. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

My congratulations also, Cas. We need such talent in high places, democratic though WP is. All best wishes.–_⊥^{¡ɐɔıʇǝo}Noetica!^T– 07:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Bravo, mon ami! Sincerement, --A Nobody^{My talk} 07:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wally Grout

Hello! Your submission of Wally Grout at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Just thought I should give you a break from all the congratulations messages ;). —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Andean Cock-of-the-rock

On 16 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andean Cock-of-the-rock, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 22:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Random Millipedes

Hello again. I may be back for real this time round and have just realized how slim Wikipedia's coverage of millipedes is. I've chipped in with two genera, but was wondering if you could translate the scientific names. The genera are Desmoxytes and Desmoxytoides hasenpuschorum. Thank you. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 03:37, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I will look when I get home later. Should be straightforward; good to see you back :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

clean-up in aisle 6

• User talk:TLazzo#You're evading a block

Situation is well explained there; a naughty kid evading his prior block. Not very active lately.

And aisle 7; could you please undelete;

• User:Jack Merridew/Allison Sudradjat

It's just a redirect, I think, but there are links to it from archives and such, including yours.

Cheers,

Jack Merridew 10:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding TLazzo, I have thrown it open to consensus...see how folks feel about giving folks second chances...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:25, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I have no issue with a second chance here. I do want the attack on the user page removed. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I've redacted the 'jerk' bit on Lazzo's user page, left him another note, and marked the ani thread as resolved. Thanks for restoring the Sudradjat redirect. Cheers, Jack Merridew 09:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Huia

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I've been a bit inactive of late... no doubt I will get back into Wikipedia eventually, but there has been a lot going on in the real world this year realistically I couldn't commit to much at the mo. Kahuroa (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

No probs, this don't put food on the table. take care. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm

Am I allowed to make a WP:SNOW closure and say [I think] congrats on making ArbCom? I sure hope you'll still be producing content through that mess. Ceran →(cheer→chime →carol) 02:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Also btw, you owe yourself a Flaming Joel-wiki. Ceran →(cheer→chime →carol) 02:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I know..but I can't just give it to meself...or can I (chuckles evilly) ....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Question. Would you be interested in possibly working on some kind of cryptid animal article in the future with me? I've never quite gotten to work on an animal article, and I'm sure it would be fun. Ceran →(cheer→chime →carol) 13:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

I was planning on doing werewolf some time. Let me thnk about a few ideas that grab me...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

That made me laugh too. I've been attracting my fair share of bad karma it seems. Better get on more translations for you - just give the word. Eusebeus (talk) 06:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you mate. Eusebeus (talk) 03:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations and good luck

I decided I couldn't wait until the hour itself. I just dropped by to extend my warmest congratulations to you for your election to your new position. Since it's pretty much in the bag I don't see why a pre-emptive "well done" is undue. Best of luck - I hope you can provide some common-sensical relief on the Committee. I also wish you a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Kindest regards, Josh. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 14:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Why thank you very much (in best Elvis voice)...we'll see today I think. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Oddly enough, I went to Walmart the other day and picked up a copy of Christmas Duets for my mom... Best, --A Nobody^{My talk} 07:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The essence of judgment

Precepts on the secret of success in life drafted by Tokugawa Ieyasu from the collection of Nikkō Tōshō-gū.

In this interval between the close of Arbcom voting and whatever comes next, this could be a timely opportunity to share a bit of wisdom attributed to Tokugawa Ieyasu, the founder of Japan's Tokugawa shogunate. I modestly offer a translation of the calligraphy -- with an emphasis not in the original:

Life is like walking along a long road shouldering a heavy load; there is no need to hurry.

One who treats difficulties as the normal state of affairs will never be discontented.

Patience is the source of eternal peace; treat anger as an enemy.

Harm will befall one who knows only success and has never experienced failure.

Blame yourself rather than others.

It is better not to reach than to go too far. --Tokugawa Ieayasu, 1604

I hope this becomes helpful in the year ahead. --Tenmei (talk) 04:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice pic. Heh, we'll see... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Please to God say that the hidden Casliber scandal is not about to be unleashed on Wikipedia. I hope that you're being good-incoming-arbitrator cautious, not Ted Stevens confident. :) (Although that could put Wikipedia over the top as a TV-network reality show, hmmm, might draw in some donations...).

Cas, I'll add my congratulations. Previous job well done, here's hoping the next one will be executed with similar quality! Franamax (talk) 05:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

See also

• s:Ieyasu precepts

Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Australia Day GA

Hi Casliber! I have made the improvements you suggested at the Australia Day article, and left a note at the GA Review page.\ / (⁂ | ※) 05:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

refactoring

want more of your user space refactored? Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

In the immortal words of Bob Hope when asked about his funeral arrangements, "surprise me" Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Wally Grout

On 21 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wally Grout, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

BLP semi-protecting

I'm chipped in my 2c, thanks for the nudge.--Scott Mac (Doc) 00:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Glad I was on Holiday

Per

• Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee#Current members

your statement at

• Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Statement by Casliber

is now in the wrong section.

I've not followed much of what's been going on here, but do recall that you were a named party to E&C2 ;)

Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

• It needs to be in recused/party bit, I will recuse as an arb from this one. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow

Congratulations, mate ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten... - was just trying to make 50 bird FAs and GAs before dec 31, though probably failed now...:( Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

You haven't forgotten, but I had... :( A lot on my mind lately. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Well done, hopefully the AC seat will make you write more vigourously as it did to me. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

de-trouted

Resolved

 – class="plainlinks" on the wrapper-div. Cheers, Jack Merridew 15:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I've commented-out the trout bit in the prologue for now; there are issues with the padlock icon when using secure login, which you should probably start using really soon as they're about about to canonize your account with divine powers — things like healing socks by the laying on of hands, turning Grawp into a 2 inch pillar of snot…

You'll likely be getting much advice from the vast conspiracy types. I'll look into the poor fish and see what I can do; I have a similar issue on my page. Tears, Jack Merridew 15:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Phaedriel's orchid

Phaedriel's orchid

Rlevse suggested moving this to Commons, but it needs a proper name; any idea? or know someone who might? I saw that you were goosing the icon sizes up, but I had other tweaks in-hand. I'll bump'em; part of what I was looking to maintain was nice baseline alignment with the rule across the top. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

No idea, you can post to wikiproject plants or even look at plants of the area and see what comes up. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants#Phaedriel's orchid. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy First Day Of Winter!

Happy First Day of Winter!

A stand of Pine trees beautifully coated in winter snow.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas, Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa!

Just wishing you a wonderful First Day of Winter 2008! Mifter (talk) 17:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

If you live in the Southern Hemisphere and are entering the season of Summer not Winter then I wish you a happy First Day of Summer 2008!
To spread this message to others, add {{subst:First Day Of Winter}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Congrats on your appointment to the Arbcom and Best of Luck :)! --Mifter (talk) 17:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Name that cockpuppet

Resolved

 – username blocked

• Special:Contributions/Respectthecock

I can, after just one edit. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Huia push

Hi Casliber. Apologies for the late reply, I am pretty busy these days and don't log into wikipedia very often - what with working full time and all.. I used to contribute to wikipedia a lot more when I had free time to burn when I was at uni; I realize that many wikipedians who contribute a lot work full time but it's a balancing act I'm yet to master myself. I kinda wish I'd seen your message earlier but at the same time, unfortunately, I'm not 100% sure I'll be able help out with Huia. That said, I really, really want to and I will look into mustering sufficient references which I can use to flesh out the article out - it would be great to be instrumental in getting this one to GA or FA. Happy holidays!Kotare (talk) 08:52, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

No probs, any help is good. There will be plenty of NZ birds to bolster later :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Graham Colm RfA

Hi Casliber,

Thanks for offering to nominate me and I, of course, accept. I have answered the questions and I think the page is ready to be transcluded. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GrahamColm Thanks once more. Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 13:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

If y'all can give me until tonight, I can add on the co-nom ... just can't get to it yet, and don't like to write those in a rush. (If you want to go ahead without me, no problem either.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Sandy, I would really appreciate your nominating, especially since you looked after me so kindly during my first months here. Graham . Graham Colm ^Talk 14:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, give me until tonight (12 hours or so); lots of Christmas prep to get through today. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Why was this transcluded by Aude ????? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I removed on it; will set aside other priorities and finish it now. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

(wakes up, bleary eyed...) boy, did I miss some fun, ok, oh we're live...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Cas, I'm hoping to be No. 100, but it may hit while I'm sleeping. If so, all yours. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Remember Last Night?

Per your advice in the GAN for Dracula's Daughter, I put together a little something for Remember Last Night?. Otto4711 (talk) 00:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Identification of a bird

Hey Casliber,

I hope you don't mind me coming and asking this on your talk page, but I took a photo of a bird in Sydney today, and since you're local I thought I might ask for your help. This is the photo: commons:File:Sydneybird.jpg, and I don't know what it is. I couldn't find anything similar in the articles Australian Raven and Australian Magpie. It doesn't look like a magpie, but the white on its tail tips, wings a fair bit more on the underside had me confused, and so I couldn't convince myself it was a raven either. Thanks for your time. Cheers, Ben (talk) 03:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

It is a Pied Currawong. Usually they lair up in trees - how did you get above it? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks for that. I was on a balcony three stories up, and while most of them liked to stay high up in the trees, they were more than happy to move down a bit lower when I threw some food on the ground for them :) Cheers, Ben (talk) 08:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK redux...

DYK that this “encyclopaedia″ has no article at all on Saraswati Day?

“The philosophy of Saraswati Day is that the most important thing for human life is knowledge.”

See also

• User talk:Jimbo Wales#Christmas

No Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

fyi re captions are off-center

Resolved

 – Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of pages fixed. Merry-Wiki-Christmas, Jack Merridew 05:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

You'll probably not want to jump-in and perform the requested edit, but you might like to keep tabs on the discussion and result. This impacts hundreds of thousands of pages.

If this issue has, in fact, deterred many folks from using proper captions, it amounts to a profound long-term setback for the projects. Having semantically correct captions on tables is core to proper accessibility of pages to things like screen readers and to correct analysis of page content by search engines.

• MediaWiki talk:Common.css#captions are off-center

Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Daft question

See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Contest. What do I do to claim my trophy? --Dweller (talk) 14:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Why the nice broom of course! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Slightly late congratulations

Congratulations on that slaughtering success! Make all of us at WP:MED proud :) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 20:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx - much appreciated. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

nb: Jack's very-own Broomstar

Before you hand out too many BLP Cleanup Broom Trophies you might look at prior awards using that image:

• see: User:J Milburn
• and User talk:Seraphim/Archive 5#Gratz

Happy Holidays (you be real busy soon after), Jack Merridew 12:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I thought you'd like seeing the broom reused. Something prosaic and humbling 'bout a broom (just a mere janitor/cleaner-upperer) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I do like the image; it has wide applicability. fyi; you'll have seen all the complaints about the wiki's term 'cruft' as being uncivil... I made a number of comments during the E&C1/2 time-frame referring to the concept of silverfish in the same vein; pesky bugs that need to be kept out of our library lest they eat away at the very glue that holds this encyclopaedia together. So, redlinks to watch for;

• WP:Silverfish
• WP:Articles for Wikia

Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:43, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas to you, Sir and congratulations on the impending appointment to the Committee! I campaigned heavily against you, but seeing as you won, I'm going to change sides! - Have a great Christmas, friend! Keep it safe and fun! :-) (I didn't really campaign against you ;-) Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 12:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Heh, Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may all your wishes be fulfilled in 2009! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Is this a combination of my Christmas greeting from 2006 and my New Year's greeting from last year? Why, it most certainly is! Hey, if it ain't broke...

Happy holidays

Thanks for making 2008 an interesting and enlightening year for me; I shall look forward to working with you on the Arbitration Committee in the coming year.
Wishing you and yours a joyous holiday season, and happiness, health and hopefulness in 2009. I trust you'll enjoy this little token, a favourite performance of Baby, it's Cold Outside, for your holiday amusement.
Best, Risker (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 23:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Unitarian?

I would think that "Merry f'ing Christmas" would be exactly opposites of what the Unitarian message would be. :P But back at you. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 23:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Aww! I'm sorry! I didn't mean for you to change it. I just enjoyed the irony. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 23:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, same to you- your message seemed to get lost in with another. Also, congratulations on your recent appointment- I didn't vote, but I certainly followed it with interest. J Milburn (talk)

Merry Christmas

A Nobody^{My talk} is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--A Nobody^{My talk} 02:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Xmas

Heh, funny stuff, luv it. All the best to you in the new year, happy Xmas!. Cirt (talk) 03:09, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Hooded Butcherbird

On 25 December, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hooded Butcherbird, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 05:51, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Christmas song

heh, too late, we've already played it as our contribution to the Christmas festivities! Still, thanks for the thought and best wishes for Christmas. Now, where did I put that robin? jimfbleak (talk) 06:16, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Meh...rry Christmas

Having had no business with the talk pages of ArbCom members until this page became one, it comes as a disappointing surprise to discover how assiduously you guys are trolled. And courted too, but especially trolled. :-( You probably better not reply to this; probably someone would keep the diff in their pocket as proof of... who know what these people think?

Merry Christmas, anyhow. I haven't followed the link yet as I'm on a very low bandwidth connection at the moment. But it's the thought that counts etc. Hope you and your family had a great day. Hesperian 11:43, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Xmas

Nice one :), thanks for the xmas message. Cheers - Mr Bungle | talk 22:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas from Promethean

O'Hai there Casliber, Merry Christmas!

Casliber,
I wish you and your family all the best this Christmas and that you also have a Happy and safe new year.
Thankyou for all your contributions to Wikipedia this year and I look forward to seeing many more from you in the future.
Your work around Wikipedia has not gone un-noticed, this notice is testimony to that
Please feel free to drop by my talkpage any time to say Hi, as I will probably say Hi back :)

All the Best.   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk)

Peer review of Glengoyne Distillery

I've listed an article I've been working on for peer review, I noticed in the list of participants you mentioned your were interested in food/drink. If you could take a quick gander at the article I'd appreciate it!

Thanks Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 03:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, many thanks for taking the time to have a look! I really appreciate it, I'll work on the article based on your tips. Thanks again!

Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 12:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Let me know when you've added some more. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, I've worked on the article a bit and wonder if you could take another wee look at it? Cheers Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 22:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey there Mr Mushroom!

My Christmas is now complete. Fainites ^barleyscribs 22:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there Doc

Merry Christmas, and congratulations on your election. I was wondering if I could have a moment of your time. Something about your post in this ANI thread caught my attention. You mentioned the screed at User:Alkivar as an example of a more offensive userpage left by a user retiring in a huff. It struck me as funny, since I had contributed to the RFAR that exposed Alkivar and represented one of several users he was railing against on his userpage. I brought it up on AN shortly after he was desysopped and "retired" (to avoid the 1 year ban ArbCom was about to enact). I argued it was inappropriate and chilling against participation for a user to be able to give a final "F-You" to the community by retiring and leaving a snarly epitaph that his/her supporters can rally to protect, thus granting a privilege and implicit status unavailable to a normal banned user that propagated the appearance of admin favoritism amongst rank and file editors. Nobody's raising hell over any other banned editor's right to leave a permanent nasty monument in userspace. I was told sharply by several of his supporters that I was "Kicking a man while he's down" ("down"="effectively banned", apparently) and the thread was closed within the day as "No admin action required".

This is just for a historical perspective. It just seems particularly galling to me now, however, since it again drives home the appearance that unpopular users get banned while unpopular admins (and users with admin devotees) get to "retire" and leave a monument to their anti-sociality to be forever guarded by their compatriots. I respect your opinion on this, so do you have any thoughts on how I can help with this issue? Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 00:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting - I am running round like a headless chicken today. Can you send me the diffs? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for responding. I will chase them up if you'd like, but I'm not trying to drum up old drama. I don't want anyone to think I'm prosecuting a grudge. It just piqued my interest that somebody else seemed to agree with me so long after the fact. Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 22:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I am curious how the conversation went. I am not too fussed in the presence or absence of both or either, but was mainly interested in points made (and comparing them). Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:58, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I found it. I forgot that it wasn't even me that initiated it. My recall is otherwise, as predicted, rather crappy, as it looks like it lasted longer than I thought. Looks like you voted against it at the time, too. O_o Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 03:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Gosh, that was so memorable I...forgot all about it. Ah well, now did anyone vote keep on that and delete Lawlords I wonder..... Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Doesn't really matter I guess. I realize "consensus can change" TM, but my ultimate wish is to see both consistency and equality applied to policy. We seem to get into the most trouble on issues which are emotionally charged; either the person involved has the necessary political support to survive the debate, or they don't. Politics is our enemy here. 8 months ago consensus was outraged and unwilling to alter Alkivar's userpage by a single letter; now LawLord is universally pilloried for his. Either consensus has changed fundamentally, or LawLord has less noisy friends. Ryan Postlethwaite and Krimpet's comments were especially illuminating to me on that MFD; admins don't generally wail loudly about "railroading off the project" and "kicking a man when he's down" over anybody who isn't a personal friend who's image they're trying to protect. Nutshell: In my eyes, doing that is not okay, as it degenerates from "this-and-this is okay/not okay on a user-page" to "I'm an admin, so-and-so is my admin friend. Full stop." type thing. Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 20:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of (Lil) Green Patch

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article (Lil) Green Patch, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

Apparently non-notable, no independent references and "sister" articles are up for deletion

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Deb (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Regards

What's up? I see that you already got your share of Christmasy greetings, so I'll just wish you Happy Kwanzaa! (though I barely know what that is...) By the way, I'm trying to track down a book covering the Puerto Rican Spindalis, how about another summer FA drive in 2009? - Caribbean~H.Q. 23:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice one. Article in not too bad a shape. Let me know once you get the book. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Flutterbys of Oz

Something you might enjoy ... looking at when it is finished.

A lot of work to be done here.

I'll be away for about a month.

Shoo any deletionists away for me will you. ;)

Have fun without me. ;)

Alastair Haines (talk) 13:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Duly watched - I have the Braby book too so can have a tweak. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK... you can have DYKs for folks leaving you messages?

You'll like this. Wikipedia:Editnotices allow you to put a posting guideline or whatever above the edit box. So, I thought you might like a trick; the notice does not have to be constant, you can push one of a bunch at people. You might like to have a queue of a dozen DYK hooks you've done (or all 137) and every time someone drops by to leave you a note, they get one. It doesn't have to be just your talk page; you could put it on the DYK talk page or wherever else come to mind. You can get a taste on my talk page; hit preview a bunch of times and you'll get different quotes. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting...just in the middle of something...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I rather thought you'd be quite keen on this. It doesn't have to be in edit notices; mebbe a rolling DYK message box on your userpage. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:45, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

feedback requested at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Committees

Hi, if you have time, I'd appreciate any feedback on a slightly crazy idea I had at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Committees. It's related to the Arbitration Committee. Thanks! rootology (C)(T) 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Can I get your opinion?

Treatment for depression (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I was involved in this article about a year ago. Can I get your opinion on it? I think it is a violation of WP:WEIGHT since it spends such an inordinate amount of space on treatments that are not evidenced-based. What do you think?

ScienceApologist (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we changed the title and ended up using it as a dumping ground while we got major depressive disorder to FAC-hood. OM helped out quite a bit. I was planning to tee them up so they matched each other then fine tune some other stuff. I could do with some chocking up of orthodox material mainly. MDD got pretty throughly vettted so the first thing would be to make sure they matche each other...then go from there. But after the fun and games I had with MDD, I needed a break...... :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

archiving of the latest Spectre thread

With all due respect, I do believe that archiving this after a mere three-hour timeframe (in the dead of night for most of the U.S., and during a time when many of those in the U.K. are still working on that ever-important first cup of tea) was slightly hasty. I hope you don't take my un-archiving personally - and if I transgressed some wiki-norm or another, I'm sure I'll find out soon enough, haha. The likelihood of anything productive transpiring may even be less than 50%, but I don't think it's quite at zero - no harm in letting it go on for a "full" 24 hours. Badger Drink (talk) 09:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Alright.....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Djibouti Francolin

Hello. Another bird, another scientific name. I've begun working Djibouti Francolin up to GA if there is enough info out there. Could you see what Francolinus ochropectus means? Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Will check when I get home. Cool bird and good to do some from that neck of the woods...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Ring out the old,
and Ring in the new.
Happy New Year!
From FloNight

) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

URGENT EMAIL

Please check your inbox, it's of the utmost importance. Sam ^Blab 22:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Got it Sam. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Online now?

If so, there are two edits in need of oversight (WPian's phone number plus threats being spammed by harasser/potential stalker). Shoot me an email if you're online now. لennavecia 22:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Got 'em both. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Your awesome speediness is appreciated! لennavecia 22:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.

I just want to say I really appreciate this. I know it's not easy to stand away from someone you agree with. But I think it takes a certain amount of courage to rise above partisanship, and disagree with someone's methods even when you support their beliefs. It's something I'll remember in the future. Good luck at ArbCom. Randomran (talk) 22:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

(sigh)....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

'sighs' are ambiguous; I assumed the one in the above diff referred to this. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Har har...well I meant the forced loud and sad expiration of breath as I sense a big messy arbitration case a-coming, and I will throw it open as to whether folks think I am able to be impartial or not. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I've been there; they're all big and messy. Recall the 'broom' I gave Seraphim — 'Brooms go with mops; for the cut and dry stuff.' Well mops are for the messy jobs and AC is the land of the messes the community can't handle. The E&C issue has simmered along at a low boil just fine without me and the issue is not going away. See here and have a chat with a colleague. Some suggestions;

• The bar for inclusion has to be raised; fanwank is not allowed
• Hopeless articles have to go; the trash, Wikia; outta-here — 20%, or more
• Those writing about pop-fiction have to write better; if they do this, their articles will be appropriate for inclusion
• The arch-inclusionists have to stop fighting to keep the lamest of the lame in an effort to keep the Evil Deletionists^® from getting through those to the merely lame articles
• Anyone being truly disruptive gets seriouz bonk-bonk on the head; Pixel is in pure battleground mode
• Have a read of WP:EVERYTHING and especially The Total Library and The Library of Babel; the core reason to limit the exponentially inflationary growth of the number of articles is a scalability concern — the ratio of articles to editors-with-clue is getting entirely out-of-hand. The legions of people 'A Nobody' refers to will overwhelm everything if given half a chance. They are an army of couch potatoes programmed by the marketing efforts of a vast commercial pop-culture machine, a generation raised on a diet of prolefeed which is intended to promote an incurious nature in a consumer underclass.
• If the volume of content gets beyond the control of the clueful, the whole project could collapse. Once it begins, radical late-game solutions will fail. This will be more a failure in the publicity sphere than within the wiki community; once the press is mocking the project, no amount of remediation will be sufficient to reverse course. Someone will fork the good content and they'll be off and running as the successor to these projects and they'll be the net's new darling.

As to your being impartial in E&C3, I believe you're capable of it, but the core rationale of recusal is the avoidance of even an appearance of partiality.

Jack Merridew 12:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC) fyi, this was off-the-cuff, not a drafted piece.

How eloquent of you...I agree with the first clause in part 3 very strongly, and have tried to nudge folks in this direction, which is why I suggested the 3 month ceasefire with Gavin. ANyway, we will see what happens. There isn't an exponential growth in articles and the only reason alot of pop culture ones look not so good now is that the quality and depth of Good and Featured Articles has improved astronomically in hte past 3 years. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Casliber. You have new messages at Shapiros10's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sam ^Blab 14:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hope 2009 is a great year for you!--MONGO 15:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Ditto :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Cas, sorry for the delay, but many thanks for nominating my RfA. I was amazed at the support I got and although I will not be rushing to use new tabs, I'm sure that they will help a great deal in all I want to do for this noble project. Thanks once more and Happy New Year. Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 17:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Casliber,

Wishing you a happy new year, and very best wishes for 2009. Whether we were friends or not in the past year, I hope 2009 will be better for us both.

Kind regards,

Majorly talk 21:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Casliber, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that video Casliber, all the best in 2009, hope AC doesn't drive you insane. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Nah, no sweat. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Notice of request for deletion of editor Casliber :)

Casliber, the editor you are, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that you satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space. Your opinions on yourself are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at User:GlassCobra/Editor for deletion#Casliber and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit during the discussion but should not remove the nomination (unless you wish not to participate); such removal will not end the deletion discussion (actually it will). Thank you, and have a good sense of humor :) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 16:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh goshers!!!! It was you !!!! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

:O On the contrary. I have nothing to follow that statement, just always wanted to say it. Just to clarify, there are no hard feelings at all, I have upmost respect for you and you were the first person who came to mind (I don't even know why!). All the best —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Casliber, this is Barb Oakley (oakley@oakland.edu). I'm *really* new to Wikipedia and have questions about posting and proper etiquette. Is this the proper way to reach you? Sorry to be so dimwitted about this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barboakley (talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Yep, this is a fine way - ask away :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

DYKAdminBot

I have restarted the dykadminbot so it no longer needs a human to manually update. However I need someone familiar with the process to verify the bot's contributions and tell me that they are correct. Further details are at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Bot.

P.S. This post is being cross posted to the 4 "active" users listed on Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Actively_involved. It is fairly critical that one of these four double check the bot before 01:00 UTC. —— nixeagle 19:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Casliber was inducted into The Hall of The Greats

On January 5, 2009, User:Casliber was inducted into

The Hall of The Greats
This portrait of Alec Baldwin was dedicated in his honor.
David Shankbone.

The inscription is the description. David Shankbone 00:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Dubious COI accusation

You may want to take a look here. I don't see any problem and have commented. This is related to a comment now located here. -- Fyslee (talk) 02:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Reunion cuckoo-shrike

Hello. Could you move Reunion cuckoo-shrike to Reunion Cuckoo-shrike so that it is properly capitalized? Or do you think that Reunion Cuckooshrike would be better per BirdLife and the IUCN? Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 05:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Done, right the first time. :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

ip

s it possible for an admin to monitor which all accounts log-on to wikipedia from the same IP address --Areastrips (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Please don't restore removed talkpage comments

Come on, Cas. You mean well, but please don't restore comments that have already been removed once. Regards, Bishonen | talk 12:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC).

I thought he may have missed it accidentally, but I was wrong, he hadn't, and made his feelings plain, so I will take it as an unequivocal 'leave it be' and do just that. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

"Cheers"

Casliber, I wonder if you would consider eliminating the "Cheers" on your votes on arbitration decisions; to me it seems to trivialize the act of voting, and by extension to somewhat demean the ArbCom itself. I'm quite sure you don't mean it that way, but that's how it comes across to one user, anyway. Woonpton (talk) 02:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You are right. I will revert those I can find, and you are more than welcome to revert any others you feel are inappropriate. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Obviously you have a problem with anyone dis-agreeing with your opinion, as even the smallest changes are reverted back with lightening speed 'its quite something wish my computer was that fast'. You need proper citations (and this article needs lots of them) any first year student knows that, other wise it is just opinion, so yes it does need going through. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.136.234 (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely, but wholesale removal of text is not how it is done. So bring in some better citations. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Threshold (online game)

FYI, I mentioned your AfD comment at the DRV. I did not include it lightly. Please let me know if you have concerns. Flatscan (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. It is a valid point and a somewhat of an interesting one in how someone defines significant in sourcing. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding. Flatscan (talk) 05:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Back to Old Behaviors

Since you're serving as a mentor to Jack Merridew, I have to point out that Jack going about insulting entire wikiprojects by calling them "Fanwank", and then accusing me of trolling by taking objection to the insult doesn't bode well for his rehabilitation. Nothing about his behavior that led to his being banned previously has changed if he think's that's appropriate. See [[6]].Shemeska (talk) 07:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Fair Use Images

Hey mate, any chance you could take a quick gander at the images on Glengoyne Distillery and just check if they are all ok in terms of fair use blah-dee-blah. If not I'd appreciate any pointers you can give. Cheers

Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 16:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

• P.S. There's a {{kitten}} in for you if you do this :p </bribe>

Oh noes, a kitteh! They look good. the keys are that they are only used for one illustration each. (already baggsed by the article). It might be good to make a note of that in the description somewhere. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers mate, I've added a wee sentence stating what you said in each image rational. Have a kitten for your troubles!

File:Catcron.gif

Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} has given you a kitten! Kittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Kittens must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever! Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a kitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. And don't feed him too much corn!

Spread the goodness of kittens by adding {{subst:Kitten}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 10:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

aaaaargh! IT MOVES!!Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:AUS and the Australian cricket team

I see a correlation between the Australian cricket team and the slowing up of WP:AUS

• McGrath <-> Casliber (bird lovers)
• Adam Gilchrist <-> Giggy (dashers with the same initials AG)
• Shane Warne <-> Mattinbgn (Victorian and cricket)

• All have slowed down on the FAs dramatically in recent times and they stopped writing FAs in the same chronological order as the cricketers have retired. Warne-McGrath-Gilchrist and Mattinbgn-Casliber-Giggy as far as Aussie FAs. And, we've started struggling without them. Giggy also has a habit of walking from the crease as well. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I was feeling like Graeme Smith much of tthe time (one-handed)...am working on Australian Magpie, slowly but surely...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

talk

and here i was about to ask you to have a look, but I didn't even have a chance :).DGG (talk) 05:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks:

Thanks for the season wishes. It means a lot. You can catch me over on Wikihow if you want to talk - a lot more relaxed and friendly than Wikipedia and suits me a lot more right now. I hope you are well and sorry for bailing on Werewolf again. Drop by some time. : ) Cheers, Spawn Man (talk) 05:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I see the 'Nikki Rocks' note :) I wish the best for you, as a decent relationship (marriage etc.) will unequivocally crap on anything WP has to offer. Best of luck. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Jimbo Peeking

Creepy as hell, isn't wasn't it? Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed; rather disconcerting after about 2 minutes. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I pinched it;

• User:Krimpet/peek
• usages

Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Lactarius piperatus GA nomination

Hi, I have nominated Lactarius piperatus for good article status, and there have been a couple of questions raised about points you added from print sources. It'd be great if you could take a look Talk:Lactarius piperatus/GA1 and make any changes as appropriate. Thanks J Milburn (talk) 17:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. thanks for the heads up. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much, the article was passed. J Milburn (talk) 19:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Tendentious policy-making - a suggestion

WP:TEND is currently just an essay but, iirc, you would like to see it promoted. May I draw your attention to a recent spat which might be summarised with this diff. My position is that the other party is a tendentious editor - an impression I formed while working on Depression and natural therapies which I came across at AFD - it got so bad that I eventually walked away from the article. That topic may be of interest to you too but let's not digress. My point is that the putative guideline about tendentious editing is currently open to tendentious editing itself and I see similar activity on other policy pages that I watch. This is a paradoxical process which really requires more input from disinterested and high-minded folk. My impression is that our sovereign lord, Mr Wales, did little more than invent 3RR and IAR and has left policy otherwise open to all. Arbcom acts in his place so, now that you sit on it, perhaps you can improve the policy-making process. Rather than just fighting fires, I suggest that you appoint a task force or sub-committee to work upon pages such as WP:TEND and bring them up to the policy equivalent of FA status. When this is done, the pages could then be locked to provide a stable set of guidelines which might provide some much-needed stability and consistency. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

"My point is that the putative guideline about tendentious editing is currently open to tendentious editing itself" - (chuckle) I know. I will look later, this arbcom business has me buried by emails currently. There are some initiatives WRT supervised editing floating about (see Fringe Science arb case) but we all know about those grey areas. Thanks for keeping this on my radar, though I might not have a decent look/think for a while. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Lots of policy page can serve as honeypots for the editors afoul of them. I'm rather amused by the notion of

• Wikipedia:Featured policies

Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:Good Policies too? Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

And, for great justice and epic lulz, we could offer;

• Wikipedia:Policies for deletion
• Wikipedia:Editors for derision

Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Could you archive this discussion? Colonel Warden has suggested it may be the cause of some meatpuppetry through tor accounts [7] --Ronz (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, as you both think it a good idea, I will. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

That would be a suggestion that it's me; which it isn't. lulz, Jack Merridew 05:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I do not support Ronz's attempts to cover his tracks and do not consider them adequate reason to suppress discussion of improvements to policy making. But perhaps there is a more appropriate page or forum to where we might move the discussion as one would expect user page conversations to be archived in due course anyway. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Incivility/unconstructive editing of User:Jack Merridew

Hello! You are listed as one of three mentors to this editor and I am therefore notifying the three of you. I and another user have cautioned him for making unproductive comments as seen at User talk:Jack Merridew#Less than civility. Instead of responding to this good faith feedback from myself and User:Randomran in a civil manner, he instead has an edit summary in this edit that links to an account other than to my or Randomran’s accounts, which is deliberately antagonistic. You would think someone coming off an indefinite block would not say or do anything overly hostile. Neither Randomran nor I linked to any of his previous accounts or said anything else to be sarcastic to him. Moreover, he seems to be making Encyclopedia Dramatica allusions in various posts as well (see [8], for example) as well as other odd or unconstructive/non-serious posts as seen with such edits as this. I am therefore concerned that he is 1) needlessly escalating tensions; and 2) uninterested in good faith cautions (after all, Randomran is pretty neutral in all of this even if one thinks I am not). The bottom line is that we are all trying really hard to come to a compromise concerning WP:FICTION and anyone mocking editors and dismissing even those who reached out to him (for better or worse, I even said I supported him being mentored when he requested being unblocked back in December…) is remarkably discouraging if not detrimental to the attempt to compromise. Please notice item 5 at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jack Merridew ban review motion#Indefinite block lifted with editing restrictions. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 05:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Controversy about suicide and Paroxetine

Greetings, I am a new wikipedia contributor and I am looking for feedback on the page for paroxetine. In particular, I feel warnings about "controversy" do not belong in the opening paragraph, but rather in a subgroup, as such alarmist wording may scare those who truly need the medication. References to mainstream media are documented, but not scientific articles such as: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/164/7/1044

Thank you. Mwalla (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Mwalla

Thanks for your efforts. I liked your changes. However, the user I was having difficulty with TVC 15, seems to object to your changes. Mwalla (talk) 23:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)mwalla

Lactarius glyciosmus

Thanks a lot for the additions here- I didn't attempt the taxonomy section myself as there were some conflicting sources- do you think you could expand the taxonomy section as appropriate with the information I explained here? J Milburn (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Pope John Paul II

Hi Casliber, would you mind casting your eye over the article lead, to help us develop the correct wording. (See talk page for our progress so far) Cheers Marek.69 ^talk 23:01, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Extremely tricky area, need to think on that one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

There has been quite a bit of vandalism on the Macaroni Penguin article that you and I both have had input on. It being on my watchlist, I have noticed quite a few reverts required to "rollback" or "reverse" the damages done to the article by User:24.39.160.80. I came here to suggest the IP be blocked as it has been a repeated source of wikipedia vandilism on (mostly) the Macaroni Penguin article. Cheers! Food_Puma 16:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Peter Symonds

You may have been discussing the case, but indenting your support at the time of giving it seems a little odd ...... :) [9] Pedro :  Chat  23:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

And fixed [10] as it goes - I imagine that is your wish! Pedro :  Chat  23:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I goofed. I didn't mean to indent. thx :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Giano RfC

I've no desire to get into an argument about Giano. But I was a little concerned about the policy implications you seemed to endorse when you supported Cla's comments. I've responded here. I wonder if you might comment (and if we might keep the discussion to policy and not to the "facts" of this particularly divisive case).--Scott Mac (Doc) 10:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

site notice vs topicons

Hi. Something changed today related to the site notice; I'm not sure just what. But they're not being moved by a bit of script anymore and this has tweaked the positioning of them on my, Rlevse's and your user/talk pages. The specific change is that they've moved up and right a bit. I've tweaked it to add "top: 18px; right: 6px;". It really depends on whether you like them sitting on the horizontal rule or floating above it and how close to the right edge looks right to you. See this; fiddle with the last bit if you like; the trout is fussier — be careful, you don't want it hanging into the wiki-globe link as that insists on being on top. Also, if you ever change skins, such bits may need tweaking. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism policy

Hi, Casliber. There's a consensus at Wikipedia_talk:Vandalism#Policy_change for a tougher policy on vandals. Since admins have to implement anti-vandalism policy, we need some input. Please respond there, and feel free to bring in other admins. --Philcha (talk) 11:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

FA collab proposal

How 'bout spontaneous combustion? In all seriousness, it seems like an interesting subject. [[WP:QUAKE|₪]]<font face="Gill Sans MT">[[User:Ceranthor|Ceran]]&nbsp;→([[User talk:Ceranthor|slip]]→[[Special:Contributions/Ceranthor|sled]]&nbsp;→[[Special:Emailuser/Ceranthor|snow]])</font> (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Weird...did you actually mean Spontaneous human combustion? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea, it does seem weird of me. And yes. I'm sure the FAC people will get a kick out of it, but it has potential. Excuse my demented signature above, accidentally clicked off raw signature. ₪Ceran →(slip→sled →snow) 02:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

hmmm, got potential. Will need some sources from dead trees, need to go to the library some time, and then...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Huia - suggestions

Re this:

"In section "Relationship with humans", can the phrases, "In some legends," and "In other traditions," mention the legends and traditions? Not strictly necessary, I am suggesting this because the above lines are consider Weasel words.".

This will be hard to fix since I don't have the book Kotare used - and I wouldn't want to either, probably, since a pet hate of mine is anything which lumps traditions from different regions together without giving the sources. I would suggest getting rid of all of this:

In Māori culture, only people of high rank wore Huia feathers.[9] In some legends, the Huia was one of the birds attained from the heavens by Tāwhaki so that his wife could decorate her hair with its feathers; this celestial origin meant that the feathers of the Huia were treated with the greatest respect.[5]

In other traditions, the Huia was the leader of the hākuturi, the spirit guardians of the forest, which included Whiteheads and Riflemen.[5] A single Huia feather was worn as a talisman against misfortune. If a man dreamed of a Huia or its feathers, it meant his wife would conceive a daughter; if he dreamed of Kōtuku feathers it implied the conception of a son.[5]

We could use as a partial source Traditional Maori Stories by Margaret Orbell, Reed 1992, pp82-83, and rewrite as follows:

In Māori culture, the "white heron and the huia were not normally eaten but were rare birds treasured for their precious plumes, worn by people of high rank".[ADD ORBELL REF]. <START FOOTNOTE: Orbell mentions some of the sacred associations of the Huia, saying [page 83] that if a man dreamed of a Huia or its feathers, it meant his wife would conceive a daughter.<END FOOTNOTE>

We can also add a supporting reference from this page: [11] and could perhaps still add the reference no [9].

Hope this helps Kahuroa (talk) 20:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

A book you might enjoy

It's all about flowers ... well, err, kind of.

• Patricia Fara, Sex, Botany and Empire: The Story of Carl Linnaeus and Joseph Banks, (Sydney: Allen & Unwin, 2003).

She's a senior tutor in philosophy at Cambridge, written several very entertaining and informative books related to the history of science, probably including her doctorate.

But I expect you know of her and this book already. I would have thought it a must read for the Banks-ia Study Group leader. ;) Alastair Haines (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. No I haven't heard of her. I will chase this up :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah! Glad I mentioned it then. I'm very confident you'll find Patricia's writing as entertaining as it is informative. Cheers. Alastair Haines (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)