BrigadierG

Reverting metaverse article rewrite

I manually reverted your edits to the page on metaverse since your changes deleted well-sourced descriptions of various implementations in favor of fluffing up more recent developments that have largely been unrealized, incomplete, or otherwise heavily marketed with little substance. It gave undue weight to the (non)progress of Roblox and Fortnite metaverse developments, with a needless insertion of player count info and other marketing drivel. Your deletions also took out significant well-sourced criticisms of the metaverse, and added a somewhat extraneous mention of the Khronos Group. It's important to keep the scope of the article on the metaverse, and not virtual reality developments at large (they are not one and the same, metaverses have been around for decades without it). As such, I reverted your bold changes. Now for the good that I saw in your edits, there was some mention of the metaverse having conflicting descriptions and definitions, and that would be a helpful detail to flesh out in the article (since it has popularly become many different things). Have a nice day. Mewnst (talk) 01:07, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

- Agreed, you are deleting well-sourced links and "took out significant well-sourced criticisms of the metaverse" and are going overweight on unrealized/under-developed areas of the metaverse with extraneous mentions of specific projects with considerable "marketing drivel," as mentioned by Mewnst --ScholarCode (talk) 13:58, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Given that I haven't made any edits to the Metaverse article in over a month, and the changes I did make gained consensus via the talk page initially, I'm gonna guess this response is just reactionary to the warning I left on your talk page yesterday. Obviously we assume good faith on Wikipedia, but this reply encouraged me to look a little more closely at your edit history, and it seems like pretty much all of your edits are just Wikipedia:REFSPAM of your own articles which don't pass Wikipedia:Reliable sources. If you have problems with my edits to the Metaverse article, open a thread on the talk page.

BrigadierG (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I want to be clear that I disapprove of ScholarCode's invocation of our minor reference dispute. They do seem to be blatantly promoting some self-authored preprint. Mewnst (talk) 23:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Sources

If a user has added extra information with a credible source please do not just revert an edit just because it doesn't appeal to you. AtishT20 (talk) 12:14, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

I did so because the IP in question is relatively unambiguously WP:NOTHERE as far as Pakistan is concerned, with a talk page covered in warnings for vandalising articles about Pakistan. I removed the WP:WTW language and moved the source into the travel section to match other articles in the same series. BrigadierG (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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Newimpartial, just as you did on Arkon's page it appears that you have added this warning not because the editor did anything wrong but because you disagreed with what appears to be a perfectly reasonable edit that you didn't like. As I noted before, the irony is that you don't have any of these awareness notices on your own talk page nor a self declared notice. Perhaps you should add the awareness template to your own talk page. Springee (talk) 12:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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Also, are you staying my edits for some reason? Newimpartial (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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Reverting /s/developer/editor

About this revert. I oppose this change but don't want to do reverts of reverts without a discussion.

A software editor (short for editing company when talking about a business) develops and commercializes software, while a developer only develops the software and might distribute their work with external publishers/providers.

This distinction is rarely needed because "software company" is broad enough, but if the development role is to be mentioned, then editor is more appropriate given Mosaic Group activities. Freedatum (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for reaching out to discuss.

I don't think "software editing" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this kind of activity. I'm a software engineer working at a startup and I've never heard the term used before. You might maintain software, you might develop software, you might publish, update, patch, release, create, or deprecate software, but never "edit" it (even if that is literally what you're doing to the source code). When I search google for "software editing companies" I mainly find lists of no-code tools and not software companies that focus on acquisitions + maintaining existing software.

What would change my view on this subject is evidence of mainstream outlets or popular, recent academic sources dividing commercial activities in this way. BrigadierG (talk) 13:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Wut?

Please edit/retract this. Polygnotus (talk) 05:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Why? BrigadierG (talk) 11:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

On your userpage it says: "I don't take this stuff too seriously. If you ever catch me acting like a nerd, please trout me appropriately." This is it. We disagree about something so silly and tiny and you are taking it way too seriously. Polygnotus (talk) 11:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

That's fair. I was, admittedly, acting somewhat like a nerd on that talk page. I think you're wrong and your arguments are bad, but https://xkcd.com/386/ is eternal. Probably due a TROUT per my own bar, but I stand behind everything in that comment. BrigadierG (talk) 11:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Statistically I probably am wrong (I get 49% on a good day). But I do assume you are a goodfaithed person and I am not casting any aspersions. I just disagree with you about something tiny. Polygnotus (talk) 11:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It was the "something you just made up" that rubbed me the wrong way. I (at least believe I) was making an argument from policy, so to say I was making stuff up seems like an assumption of bad faith. BrigadierG (talk) 11:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I get it but like... this is clearly a limitation of using written text as a form of communication. We are on the same team and we agree about a billion things. Just because you are wrong on this one thing doesn't mean we can't have friendly banter. The policy you are referring to is about how we write articles on Wikipedia; not how we interpret sources because even reliable sources give undue attention to trivial stuff (but I understand what you are saying, and it makes sense that this is a difference between a newspaper and an encyclopedia). I've read quite a bit of the WP:PAGs and as far as I remember they don't say anything about the location of a sentence relative to the length of a source (but if they do, cool, TIL). If I want to cast aspersions or ABF I can do way way better than That's just something you made up, right? If you look at the aspersions page they are talking about participation in criminal acts, membership in groups which take part in such acts, or other actions that might reasonably be found morally reprehensible in a civilized society. Polygnotus (talk) 11:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Without trying to re-litigate, I think we're talking past each other. I wasn't talking about the length of the source, I was talking about the length of Persson's article. IE a sentence in a long article carries less weight than a sentence in a short article. That's why I mention DUE. The amount of word count an aspect of a topic gets should get should be proportional to its contribution to the whole, and that becomes stricter the shorter the article becomes. If Persson's article had less to say, I would agree commenting on Mensa might be undue. It's pretty trivial stuff though.BrigadierG (talk) 12:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

But... you were talking about the location of the sentence that mentions his alleged Mensa membership relative to the length of the source (half way through & at end of article).... see here and even compared to the description of his appearance here. Polygnotus (talk) 12:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The location relative to the length is my clunky way of saying "its position". Is it near the top or the bottom or in the middle. But there are no PAGs that say that that is important. Hence my comment about making it up. DUE is about how Wikipedia is written, the sources do not follow our rules/policies/guidelines. Polygnotus (talk) 12:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I wrote out a relatively long response about defining "prevalence" in terms of media coverage of celebrities, but I think instead I will drop the WP:STICK and just say it's neither here nor there and not important to resolve compared to contributing elsewhere on this site. BrigadierG (talk) 13:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Freddrick Jackson

You want to remove Freddrick Jackson because apparently WP:CRIMINAL is pretty explicit about this - criminals only get articles if they either victimised an internationally famous person, or if their motivations are very unusual. This guy seems like a piece of work, but sadly there are a lot of those in the world. Well than how come serial killers like Ted Bundy, Harvey Miguel Robinson, Craig Price and many others who have articles also have not victimized an internationally famous person or have unusual motivations get to have an article? Your reasons to want delete seem invalid and incorrect to me. Startrain844 (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The second part of WP:CRIMINAL goes on to elaborate on indications that a particular crime was unusual - "historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role"

If you have at least one source that:

1. Is more than a year after his imprisonment

2. Discusses the individual's character/role in detail (beyond the horrific nature of his crimes)

I think it would be reasonable to de-prod this. BrigadierG (talk) 19:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Each of the examples you give are notable for another reason than just the acts - Ted Bundy is one of the world's most famous serial killers, Robinson has secondary coverage relating to him being the youngest inmate on death row (though honestly I think it's marginal and there's a case for deletion nevertheless), and Price is still receiving secondary coverage about his long imprisonment when he was a minor during his crimes. BrigadierG (talk) 19:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Jackson would be notable for being the youngest serial killer in Arkansas and one of the youngest in the countries history. Startrain844 (talk) 19:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

It will make him notable as soon as this fact is noted by reliable secondary sources which persist beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role - anything less is WP:OR BrigadierG (talk) 19:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Also what is Robert Eugene Brashers notable for? Startrain844 (talk) 19:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like there's some significant lasting secondary coverage relating to the fact he was only implicated decades later as part of a cold case exploration. Though he's pretty borderline and there's a case for deleting him. BrigadierG (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

What about if they are mentioned by a person who is famous? Startrain844 (talk) 23:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

What you should be asking yourself is this - does the coverage significantly exceed that which you'd typically expect from your average, WP:RUNOFTHEMILL crime of that type. Various people commit various types of crime all the time. In California, each year, around 2200 die from homicide. Each time it happens, there is usually some amount of local coverage, and occasionally a flash of national coverage if the crime was especially severe.

What we're looking for is coverage that goes significantly beyond what you'd expect from a typical murder incident that got picked up by a few outlets because some young dumb thug was being violent. That could look like:

• Unusual depth of coverage - because some aspect of it captured public fascination like Dahmer's cannibalism
• Unusual length of coverage - because the crime in question had such a large impact that people were still calling back to it significantly in the future
• Unusual breadth of coverage - because some internationally recognised figure was involved which significantly increased the reach

In each case, the 5 criterion set out at WP:GNG should be met. The standard for assessing whether given coverage meets the bar isn't hard or fast, but if you want a yardstick, it's going to look something like WP:THREE. Your contributions are certainly welcome on Wikipedia, please don't take this as an attack, I'm just trying to make sure that the notability guidance is adhered to. BrigadierG (talk) 23:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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Postal codes in iraq

Bro i was not knowing that removing reference issues after fixing it will remove topic also ... I added real reference then i did it by mistake , so can you remove your nominate deletions at this topic , greetings 👏 FarhadGuli1 (talk) 13:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, unfortunately I don't think this article is suitable to be on Wikipedia as it goes against Wikipedia policy - WP:NOT BrigadierG (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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