Bot1058

Bot should not erase R from move templates

In the redirect Talk:Yuriy Norshteyn, the bot changed the target to Talk:Yuri Norstein but also erased the {{R from move}} template. But the template should stay there. In general, if a redirect is tagged as an R from move, the bot should not erase the template from the corresponding redirect talk page, which will usually also be a redirect from a move. The bot edit will usually happen when A has been moved to B and then a page mover swaps B with a redirect C that had no talk page, resulting in Talk:B being redlinked after the move. In this case, some double-redirect fixing bot will retarget A to C and then Bot1058 will retarget Talk:A to Talk:C before AnomieBOT III could have otherwise recognized Talk:A as a broken redirect. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

This page had a talk page:

• 10:02, 22 April 2018 AlexTheWhovian moved page Talk:Yuriy Norstein to Talk:Yuri Norstein without leaving a redirect (WP:RM/TR)

If a page mover doesn't feel the need to leave behind a redirect, I don't see any critical need to leave behind an {{R from move}}...

...but I'll take a look at this next time I work on this code... wbm1058 (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I see the issue. My concern is that the bot should probably verify that the {{R from move}} template is legitimately placed, before "endorsing" its presence on the page. This issue has moved up to a somewhat higher priority on my to-do list. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

OK, the two cases linked to above were both  Fixed by bot v 3.70 (though I have not added code to verify that the {{R from move}} template is legitimately placed – that may not be necessary).

However, there is another scenario where the bot erases {{R from move}}, and removes the {{Redirect category shell}}, where it could keep the shell but replace {{R from move}} with {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}, e.g. HERE and HERE. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

v 3.70 {{fix}}  Fixed by bot v 3.72 – wbm1058 (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Besides the {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} scenario mentioned above, there is another scenario where the bot now keeps the {{R from move}} when it might have been better just removing it. In this case replacing the {{R from move}} with something like {{R from list entry}}, {{R from merge}} or {{R from avoided double redirect}} kind of makes sense, e.g. HERE and HERE. But just erasing the shell with the R from move is the easier thing to do since some of those templates produce error messages (e.g. should not be placed on talk pages). Deleting the talk page redirect with no incoming links as G6 housekeeping is something I sometimes do as well. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Fast, a bit too fast

I moved Atti (village) to Atti, Jalandhar, then retargeted the redirect to the dab page at Atti (there are several villages with the name), then I realised that we only have an article about one of them at the moment, so I quickly undid my edit (so that now Atti (village) is again a redirect to Atti, Jalandhar). But in the meantime, the bot has managed to repoint Talk:Atti (village) to the dab pages's talk page. I don't think I'm the only who occasionally makes such mistakes, and otherwise there are bound to be a lot of moves that get quickly reverted, so I'm wondering if it wont' be a good idea to have some sort of time delay to the bot's operation. What do you think, Bot1058? – Uanfala (talk) 15:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes there's a problem there, bot. But I don't think waiting longer is the answer. What if, instead of waiting an hour, you waited 6 hours, but after sleeping eight hours on it, Uanfala woke up and realized the mistake and fixed it 8 hours later. Hard to know how long is "long enough" to wait. No, the better solution for you, Bot1058, is to tag these with {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} so there is a way that you can revert your edit after Uanfala reverted theirs. In the meantime I need to update that template to work on these when they're placed in talk space, as opposed to article space, and then look over your shoulder the first time you process those to make sure you get them right wbm1058 (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

* Talk:Atti (village) has been an undetected unsynchronized redirect from incomplete disambiguation for over four years! wbm1058 (talk) 22:47, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Mainspace edits by task 3 or 4

Mainspace edits by task 3 or 4 – edit conflicts. wbm1058 (talk) 18:12, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

As of today the most recent mainspace edit that was not task 5 or 6 was this 11:00, 6 September 2021 edit. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Removing talk page headers

This is concerning an edit on Talk:Paramyxovirus. The bot removed the {{WikiProject Viruses}} header in addition to the redirect. I do not think other talk headers should be removed. --Nessie (talk) 15:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Removing of WPSongs & adding redirect

Please stop and/or show discussion that confirms this is what is required.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Richhoncho (talk • contribs) 19:03, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Richhoncho: On which page(s) did the bot remove {{WikiProject Songs}}? Looking at your edit history just before you posted here, I see that you replaced the bot's redirects with project tags on Talk:Used To (LeToya Luckett song) and Talk:Prime Time (The Alan Parsons Project song), but looking at the edit histories of those, the project tag was never there before you replaced the redirect with it. The bot did remove {{R from move}}, which may not be best, since that's the template the bot uses to detect and replace unsynchronized redirects. I'm not sure of the value of project-tagging redirect pages; by not having the {{R from move}} there the page isn't monitored so if it goes out of sync again in the future, that won't be detected and corrected. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:49, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring on Talk:Kate Lee (musician)

It seems that Bot1058 and the double redirect fixing bots AvicBot and EmausBot are edit warring on Talk:Kate Lee (musician). Syncing the unsynchronized redirect had cause a double redirect to be created, while fixing the double redirect had caused the redirect to become unsynchronized. Is there a way to stop the two bots from edit warring with each other? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

This edit was sufficient to stop the edit warring, and my bot had it right. But right, this is a "gotcha" my bot should be on the lookout for. "Users will find a way". wbm1058 (talk) 20:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Task 3

The bot sometimes creates duplicate talk pages with for task 3 when an article and its talk page is moved from "X" to "X (qualifier)" and the DAB is moved from "X (disambiguation)" to "X" but the person who moves the DAB page to the base name forgets to move the DAB page's talk meaning "Talk:X" still redirects to "Talk:X (qualifier)" so the bot then tags "Talk:X" with {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} but the older talk page stays at "Talk:X (disambiguation)". I notice this and request at WP:RMT (example) but its quite possible many people simply don't notice this. Quinn and Talk:Quinn were fixed with the edit history of the duplicate at Talk:Quinn (disambiguation). I therefore suggest that when "X" is a DAB but "Talk:X" redirects to "Talk:X (qualifier)" or similar but "Talk:X (disambiguation)" exists with a {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} that the bot does not replace the "Talk:X" redirect with {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} but instead produces a list of such cases so that they can be fixed manually namely by moving the DAB pages talk to the base name.

As a side note I'd also suggest the bot should tag the talk page of DAB pages that don't yet have a talk page with {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} as well as talk page of DAB pages in other namespaces like categories with {{category ambiguous}} but I realize this will probably need a new bot request. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Task 3 system caching issue

Talk:Owen Brennan

I had converted Owen Brennan into a disambiguation page just recently. The bot did not convert the talk page of the Owen Brennan page from a redirect to a disambiguation talk page.
-Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 12:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Task 3 clears Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages which is populated by the templates listed in the documentation for that category.

Owen Brennan uses Template:hndis (which redirects to Template:Human name disambiguation), a template which populates the category, so the bot should make the desired edit.

Task 3 runs hourly. I see from this diff that you moved the page at 07:23, 25 November 2021 and you converted to a disambiguation page at 07:32, 25 November 2021. The bot should have made the desired edit shortly after 08:00, 25 November 2021 but it did not. I don't know why as it appears to have been running normally at that time. I'll revert your edit to debug the issue. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Owen Brennan is populating Category:Articles with talk page redirects, a category I created on 13 March 2020‎, rather than Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages. wbm1058 (talk) 16:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually it is Owen Brennan that should have been populating Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages, not its talk page. I was playing around with that page, making changes to subst: templates and then clicking Show preview without actually saving any changes to the page. I did see that it was populating the category in preview mode, then out of the blue it wasn't because my bot fixed it! I'm mystified about what happened there! wbm1058 (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Hill Road

I had converted Hill Road into a disambiguation page just recently. The bot did not convert the talk page of the Hill Road page from a redirect to a disambiguation talk page.
Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 04:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Task 3 clears Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages which is populated by the templates listed in the documentation for that category.

Hill Road uses Template:Roaddis (which redirects to Template:Road disambiguation), a template which populates the category, so the bot should make the desired edit.

Task 3 runs hourly. I see from this diff that you moved the page at 02:38, 15 February 2022 and you converted to a disambiguation page at 02:45, 15 February 2022. The bot should have made the desired edit shortly after 03:00, 15 February 2022 but it did not. I've reverted the manual edit that the bot was expected to make, to debug. wbm1058 (talk) 16:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Hill Road is populating Category:Articles with talk page redirects, a category I created on 13 March 2020‎, rather than Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages. wbm1058 (talk) 16:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually it is Hill Road that should have been populating Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages, not its talk page. Again, I just clicked "edit", saw that the page was a member of 4 hidden categories, and Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages was not one of them. Then I clicked Show preview and there still were 4 hidden categories, but below that at the bottom it did show that the "new" version had 5 hidden categories including Category:Unsynchronized disambiguation talk pages! So I did a WP:Null edit, and there were still 5 hidden categories after I saved the page. So, this is some sort of system caching issue, and I'm not sure how to solve it. Other than having my bot make even more null edits in a further attempt to ensure all caches are cleared. Anyhow, my bot should fix this one again about 30 minutes from now. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Cameron Thompson

I had converted Cameron Thompson into a disambiguation page just recently. The bot did not convert the talk page of the Cameron Thompson page from a redirect to a disambiguation talk page.
Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 05:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for filing your report here without fixing the problem yourself. That's helpful. I've posted a question at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#A page is populating a hidden maintenance category, but the category is empty! – wbm1058 (talk) 15:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• at 01:56, 10 March 2022‎ GoAheadFan95 moved page Cameron Thompson to Cameron Thompson (politician): To make way for disambiguation
• at 03:52, 10 March 2022‎ GoAheadFan95 Convert Cameron Thompson to Disambiguation Page
• at 04:59, 10 March 2022 GoAheadFan95 moved page Talk:Cameron Thompson to Talk:Cameron Thompson (politician) (Cameron Thompson has its own disambiguation page)

You should have moved Talk:Cameron Thompson together with Cameron Thompson at 01:56. There is a box "Move associated talk page" which should be checked by default. Don't uncheck it. I realize though that sometimes there is page history at the target that might block you from making that move.

The most recent edit to Cameron Thompson at 03:52 did not populate the category because the talk was synchronized – it wasn't a redirect. It became unsynched when the 04:59 move was made. That's a problem because of this issue. If you had moved Talk:Cameron Thompson to Talk:Cameron Thompson (politician) before 03:52, then the 03:52 edit should have immediately populated the category. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:10, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

This should get fixed sooner rather than later though, even if Cameron Thompson isn't edited again for months or even years, because Talk:Cameron Thompson is now populating Category:Articles with talk page redirects, another category I created and patrol. The difference is that Category:Articles with talk page redirects isn't cleared by a bot, so it won't get fixed until I manually get around to it. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:20, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I just found this discussion which gives me an idea that I might actually be able to address this with a bot update. If I can update the bot to do a forcerecursivelinkupdate on the templates that populate these categories, that might fix it. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

No, that's not gonna work. I'd need to null edit every page transcluding the template, that's over 68,000 pages! wbm1058 (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect removal of R from move

The bot seems to be removing {{R from move}} when a page move has been indicated in the page history. Per {{R from move}} For all redirects that have a page move logged on their history page(s), add this rcat in the following manner: this removal is incorrect. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: Based on your editing history, I found that your issue is with the handling of Stop Funding Fake News.

at 07:12, 13 October 2021 Kashmiri moved page Stop Funding Fake News to Stop Funding Misinformation (New name of the project)

at 20:32, 17 October 2021‎ per discussion at Talk:Center for Countering Digital Hate Stop Funding Misinformation was merged into Center for Countering Digital Hate.

these pages were stable until some change made in the hour before 01:00, 22 February 2022 triggered the bot to edit at 01:03, 22 February 2022. I'm not sure what that change might have been; I haven't found anything. It's possibly a delayed flushing of some system cache that should have been refreshed months ago. This bot runs hourly, so a record of the most recent bot run is only kept for an hour, thus I don't have the console log of what the bot saw. I'm going to revert Talk:Stop Funding Fake News back to the edit of 13 October 2021, then watch my bot to see what it does with that page. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, after I reverted to the 13 October 2021 version, the page is populating Category:Unsynchronized talk page redirects.

But I don't see it in that category. That's weird. – wbm1058 (talk) 20:58, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

OK, after a null edit, now it is. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:00, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Console report

Retrieving Talk:Stop Funding Fake News contents... GET: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=revisions&rvslots=main&titles=Talk%3AStop+Funding+Fake+News&rvlimit=1&rvprop=content|timestamp (0.10400605201721 s) (397 b) GET: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=revisions&rvslots=main&titles=%3AStop+Funding+Fake+News&rvlimit=1&rvprop=content|timestamp (0.10900592803955 s) (475 b) #REDIRECT [[Talk:Stop Funding Misinformation]] {{Redirect category shell| {{R from move}} }} #REDIRECT [[Center for Countering Digital Hate]] {{Redirect category shell| {{R from merge}} }} Target: Talk:Stop Funding Misinformation (:Stop Funding Misinformation) Subject target: Center for Countering Digital Hate sync needed GET: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=revisions&rvslots=main&titles=Talk%3ACenter+for+Countering+Digital+Hate&rvlimit=1&rvprop=content|timestamp (0.13300704956055 s) (24931 b) Change Talk:Stop Funding Fake News contents to: #REDIRECT [[Talk:Center for Countering Digital Hate]] POST: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/api.php?action=edit&format=json&assert=user (0.34102010726929 s) (193 b)

The goal of Category:Unsynchronized talk page redirects is to ensure that talk pages redirect to the same page that their article-space page redirects to.

• When Stop Funding Fake News was moved on 13 October 2021, it redirected to Stop Funding Misinformation
  • Talk:Stop Funding Fake News redirected to Talk:Stop Funding Misinformation
• On 17 October 2021 Stop Funding Misinformation was merged to Center for Countering Digital Hate (and redirected to that article)
  • Stop Funding Fake News was retargeted to Center for Countering Digital Hate, and {{R from move}} was changed to {{R from merge}} as a result of the merge
  • I just tagged Stop Funding Fake News with {{R avoided double redirect|Stop Funding Misinformation}}
  • And I just tagged Talk:Stop Funding Fake News with the corresponding Rcat templates. My bot will be happy now that it's no longer populating Category:Unsynchronized talk page redirects, but now it's in Category:Avoided double redirects to be updated. If you don't mind I'd like to leave it there for a while to see what kind of response that gets from those who patrol that category. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Removing wikiprojects from redirect talk pages?

Why does this bot remove wikiproject banners from redirect talk pages that are also redirects? Redirects support wikiprojects, and the banners allow the functioning of the ArticleAletsBot to track pages and inform the related wikiprojects of AABot tracked nomination for that page.

"Unsynchronized" doesn't seem to cover this case, since partial disambiguation can be covered under a particular wikiproject (ie. "(song)" or "(album)" where multiple such exist, but it would make sense for WPSONG or WPALBUM to track these redirects)

-- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 03:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Can you point me to a couple of specific bot edits to show me which edits you feel are problematic? Thanks. – wbm1058 (talk) 14:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

For instance this one [1] since I just encountered it. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Noting an issue I should probably address some time

Bot1058 "endorsed" a vandal's edit and after someone reverted the vandal the bot's edit wasn't reverted until another editor noticed and reverted it. wbm1058 (talk) 20:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Ick. After this reverted vandalism, another one that wasn't fixed until months later. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:25, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Hey Angel

Dear Bot1058,

I had converted Hey Angel into a disambiguation page just recently. The bot did not convert the talk page of the Hey Angel page from a redirect to a disambiguation talk page.

Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@Aravindhan Ravikumar: belated reply as I'd just left on my summer road trip when you dropped this report, and then it got overlooked when I returned from my wiki-break. My bot depends on the presence of {{R from move}} templates on talk pages to work as you expect. As like this version of the page:

#REDIRECT [[Talk:Lock Up the Wolves]]

{{Redirect category shell|
{{R from move}}
}}

Unfortunately Neel.arunabh, an editor who was later banned for lack of editing competence, messed up the page, leaving a redirect category shell without parameters (they also made an unhelpful edit to the article-redirect). Then another editor fixed that by replacing the page contents with a {{Talk page of redirect}} template which is not helpful for my bot. I'm currently working on a bit of a project to reduce the number of talk pages with {{Talk page of redirect}} on them by replacing them with the appropriate redirects. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

My bot sometimes sometimes drops {{Talk page of a redirect}} on a page too, so I can't much fault others for doing it as well. This basically amounts to punting when the algorithm can't figure out anything better to do. I should try to make it smarter. – wbm1058 (talk) 13:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Removing project banners

Should it be doing this [2] ? This would mean that this redirect is now untracked by AAlertBot (talk · contribs) and WP:Article Alerts will not work with such pages. -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 06:43, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

We're getting extremely deep into weeds here. It's now a redirect to the talk page a disambiguation page, not an article. I thought the purpose of article alerts was tracking articles, not disambiguation pages and not talk pages. I don't really see the point of project-tagging redirects. Maybe you should find something more important to do. Or explain to me what the point is, because sorry I'm missing it. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

The AAlertBot also tracks WP:RFD redirects for discussion, so it would alert WikiProject when a redirect of interest to them is being discussed. As any "xyz (ship)" redirect would usually be of interest WPSHIPS, such as someone proposing a Primary Redirect RFD to a particular ship (such as "HMS xyz"), would change the target, that would rightly inform WPSHIPS. Or if someone were proposing to delete the redirect at RFD to replace it with a draftspace article, the wikiproject would be notified of the discussion. -- 65.92.246.191 (talk) 00:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

OK, you basically had an edit conflict with the bot. You made the edit at 08:58 which the bot was going to make two minutes later at 09:00 anyway (but without any WikiProject templates). The reason this happens is due to caching issues. The bot works off a maintenance category and that page was still populating the category even though it shouldn't have been after your edit. If you see the bot do this again, feel free to just revert it. Coding a fix to avoid such edit conflicts is a low priority for me, given all the other more important stuff in my backlog. – wbm1058 (talk) 00:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Removing content from redirect talk pages

With this edit the bot removed talk page content, which it should never be doing. Thryduulf (talk) 11:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

BOT fight: AnomieBOT vs Bot1058

Anomie & wbm1058 — I'm not sure which is in the wrong here but if you see Talk:Jean Gabriel Marie (1907-1928) the two bots are having an edit war that started back 25 April 2023‎. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 15:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, wow. Edit warring for six months before anyone noticed or reported the issue. I suppose we're both equally guilty as neither has coded their bot to detect edit warring. It's been on my to-do list back burner for quite some time now to update my bot's framework to detect edit warring. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Yup, I was surprised when I noticed it had been going on so long with no one noticing before, but I guess redirect talk pages are rather hidden. KylieTastic (talk) 15:50, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

What happened on 22 April 2023 was that an editor decided that there was a primary topic for Jean Gabriel Marie.

This was years after another editor decided (on 12 March 2016‎) that Jean Gabriel-Marie unquestionably and certainly referred to Jean Gabriel Marie (1852–1928), and only a fool might conceivably think the name referred to Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1970), his son, coincidentally also a French composer.

Now, who is the primary topic for Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) or Jean Gabriel Marie (1907-1928)? There must be a primary topic for these, because the name is so obviously not ambiguous.

Well, I guess the name was ambiguous back in 2010, but not any more!...

@10:36, 6 June 2010 SilkTork moved page Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) to Jean Gabriel Marie over redirect (disamb)

@20:50, 4 September 2009 D climacus moved page Jean Gabriel Marie to Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) (Requested) – I could not find the request

This Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) is obviously a different guy than Jean Gabriel Marie (1852–1928), who died the same year but was born in the previous century.

This Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) is also obviously a different guy than Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1970), who was born the same year but died decades later!

Bots can only go so far to accommodate editor stupidity. The stupidity here goes way beyond the inability to type an en-dash. One way to stop bots from edit warring over stupid redirects is to delete the stupid redirects! wbm1058 (talk) 16:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Curiously, the French wiki has the father's bio under the name fr:Gabriel Marie, and his son is a red link with an interwiki link back to the English wiki! Expect the unexpected on Wikipedia, and you will never be surprised. I suppose though, the lack of an article about the son in his native French language supports the idea that the father is primary topic! – wbm1058 (talk) 20:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I created the redirect Gabriel Marie after seeing that it was a red link in Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/International encyclopedia of women composers. Unless there's an error in his biography, Gabriel Marie is not a woman! – wbm1058 (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

lol :) KylieTastic (talk) 20:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) What's going on is that AnomieBOT wanted it to match the target of Talk:Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) (which was pointing to Talk:Jean Gabriel Marie), while Bot1058 wanted it to match the target of Jean Gabriel Marie (1907-1928) (which points to Jean Gabriel-Marie). I just edited Talk:Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) to point to the more useful Talk:Jean Gabriel-Marie, so now the bots should be in agreement as to the target.

I wonder why Bot1058 didn't already do that though, since Jean Gabriel Marie (1907–1928) has been pointing to Jean Gabriel-Marie for some time already? Anomie⚔ 16:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Looks like we had something similar going on at Talk:Syrian Republic (1946-1963), but without the easy fix. AnomieBOT wanted it to point to Talk:Syrian Republic (1946–1963) (which was not a redirect) while Bot1058 wants it to point to Talk:Syrian Republic (disambiguation) (matching Syrian Republic (1946–1963)). I redirected Talk:Syrian Republic (1946–1963) to match so the bots should agree now. Anomie⚔ 16:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

...wow indeed. I stumbled across this this morning (quarry:query/77535, prompted by WP:RAQ#High traffic talk pages), have a writeup on User talk:AnomieBOT previewed and ready to go in another tab, and came here to see whether wbm1058 prefers such reports on his bot's or his own talk page. How'd we both find it within a day of each other? —Cryptic 22:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Good to know we've found them all, and there were only two active cases. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Wbm1058, Anomie, and KylieTastic: I've added a very brief summary about this at Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars#AnomieBOT vs Bot1058; if this bot war doesn't belong there, nothing does. Graham87 (talk) 13:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Now two of my bots are mentioned on that list (once each) and Anomie's bot is mentioned twice too (one with my bot and another with someone else's). OK OK, now I've been shamed into taking another look at upgrading the bot framework that I inherited when I took on my first bot ;) – maybe on second look I'll figure out that it's not really that difficult a fix to make... wbm1058 (talk) 13:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Top 10 most-edited pages, in Talk: namespace

Xtools edit count gives a table of the bot's most-edited pages in Talk: namespace, as of today:

wbm1058 (talk) 20:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Bot1058 question but don't want to halt the bot

(That page says I'd stop the bot by making a feature request - so I rather went here. Let me know if you prefer it discussed differently.)

I noticed this bot, it's rather useful, thanks :) one thing that's started to happen more recently is that another bot comes in immediately afterwards and wraps the {{WikiProject Disambiguation}} into {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, like this.

Would it make sense to change the Bot1058's default template for Task 3 to incorporate that and save us the extra bot edit? --Joy (talk) 08:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

I see. That would be easy to do, but I don't really see what value that banner shell brings. I suppose I can do it when I get around to making other changes to this bot.

I moved the AWB documentation that led you to avoid posting here to my archive, as this bot hasn't used AWB for years. Posting here will not stop the bot, especially given that it also runs on the Toolforge, a separate platform. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. There's a fair few disambiguation pages that also get tagged with {{WikiProject Anthroponymy}} for example, so having the banner shell makes some sense. --Joy (talk) 15:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)