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Happy editing! --Kmhkmh (talk) 06:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Regarding this

Hey, I'm no troll! I mean, I bother and jokingly harass people all the time on this website, but it's good fun I swear!

But, this was my paragraph, as is most of this article; these first four paragraphs were copyedited by Shooterwalker, whose writing style I admire. This paragraph, as do the other three, are a general (and very short) summary of the article that follows (see this for a summary of how we do them). This section covers everything under the development and release sections, therefore summarizing the "Development", "Gameplay", "Characters", "Graphics and world building", and "Marketing and release" sections all in a short paragraph.

Therefore, everything in this paragraph is going to be generalized, but it's all detailed and cited under these sections. I trust myself that that's true, because I love writing development sections and really obsess over them, so much that I sometimes lose steam after writing them and don't finish the rest of the article... such is the case with this one. Panini! • 🥪 03:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

But welcome to Wikipedia! And I do trust your judgement. Garbage like this must go, and is unfortunately common in video game articles (see WP:GAMECRUFT). Panini! • 🥪 03:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I'm new to this, but am still confused - why shouldn't initial paragraphs include citations? Shouldn't that be where they're needed most?

In addition, the tone of this paragraph is very negative. The Wired and IGN article barely mention the 2002 era 3D experiments, and it wasn't "failed" as much as it was a part of Nintendo's R&D projects at the time? I also don't see any references describing the game as "outsourced" or "hands off" in development - am I just not seeing them? Nintendo has many second party developers, and never uses such language.

I'm not a Luigi's Mansion 2 die hard or anything (is anyone?). But this paragraph is very negative and offers little specific information, with no sources directly cited within it. Maybe we expand the development details more, and lose this more vague paragraph at the top? BlazeFielding (talk) 05:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, totally separate of this quarrel, it's crazy to me that most of these games don't have arcade-specific wikipedia articles:

Raw Thrills - Wikipedia

Is there a guide to writing a wikipeida article from scratch you'd recommend? Thanks! BlazeFielding (talk) 05:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

@Panini! hey just bumping this, not sure if you saw it? BlazeFielding (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey BlazeFielding, I'm not sure why I was never notified of this message, but I did see your edit on the article. It could be something to do with how you signed your name or how you used the ping, but I recommend using {{u|Username}} for a higher success rate.

So, in short, we don't cite the lead paragraphs because all of it is already cited in the article itself. The lead paragraphs are a summary of the body, similar to an abstract on a research paper.

Nintendo being hands-off is detailed in the first paragraph of development. This is what I mean by outsourcing.

What I'm discovering is that I source most of the details regarding the 3D experiments to an Iwata Asks interview, but I read it and... this interview doesn't mention this at all. Which is very weird, you're right. I guess as some point I accidentally started sourcing the Iwata Asks interview instead of the source I intended on citing instead. I'll look into my sources in the future and find out where I got the information so I can cite it properly, because I got this information from somewhere. Panini! • 🥪 16:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Boom, found it. Wrong Iwata Asks article. Here is where they talk about this project in detail, and here is a third-party source about it. I've worked it into the article for a quick fix.

I can see how failed can be seen as negative, but in my opinion that's technically what it is; this "experimentation" made its way into the final product but isn't used. They call it experimentation however, so I'll directly relay that instead. Panini! • 🥪 16:37, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and per your question: You can check out Help:Your first article for a basic overview. Also, Wikiproject video games has a bunch of helpful tools to make article-writing easier. There's our own manual of style to get a rough outline going, and this list of sources deemed reliable and high-quality; this search engine is custom-designed to only show these high quality sources, too. Panini! • 🥪 16:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)