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What you need to understand is that sources which can carry a person's notability in and of themselves, and sources which are acceptable only for supplementary confirmation of facts after notability has already been built on the former class of sourcing, are two different things. Directories like boxingrec and social media sources like Twitter can be used sparingly as the latter type, if notability has already been covered off by adequate reliable source coverage in media — but they cannot be the foundation of an article's sourcing. Real media coverage has to carry the substance, and then you can use things like Boxingrec and Twitter as frills for a few extra stray facts that might not have made it into the media coverage — but Boxingrec and Twitter cannot, in and of themselves, make a person notable enough for inclusion here if they are the base of how the article is sourced. Bearcat (talk) 12:57, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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Several good articles on New Zealand Boxers but could you please pay a bit of attention to your reference formatting. Article clean-up happens as a matter of course, often automatically, but these have to be done manually to get the bots to work. Cheers.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:12, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Assistance if you want

Hi Bennyaha

I notice you are getting a rough run on the articles you have created because of the notability requirements. If you would like some assistance in determining if a propsoed article meets Wiki's criteria I would be happy to help. NealeFamily (talk) 03:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I would love help thanks Im thinking on creating an article on Bowyn Morgan who is a 4X NZ Amateur Champion, one time NZ Amateur Intermediate Champion, Awarded the Jameson belt in 2012 for most scientific boxer, Undefeated pro boxer W: 4 (2 KO) L:0 D: 0 NC: 1 --Bennyaha (talk) 00:31, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

OK - the first thing you'll need to do is assess how he stacks up against the rules at WP:NBOX. If he doesn't meet that level then an alternative might be to take a top down approach - there is an article on Boxing, but none covering Boxing in New Zealand. What I would suggest then is a general article about NZ boxing covering its history through to the present including sub-section covering the different codes. From that you can link to an article about the code Morgan and the others fall under and deal with them as a group within the one article - ie a section about the code and then sections about each significant boxer in that code. Use your sandbox (clicking on this link will help create the sandbox) to create the article and I can take a look at it before it goes into the main wiki. Also I would cut and paste the articles being challenged into the sandbox so you don't lose your data. I hope this helps. NealeFamily (talk) 04:04, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

The see also's, like those in Japanese occupation of Malaya are article links I am talking about. The provide an expansion in detail over the main article.NealeFamily (talk) 04:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/User:Bennyaha/sandbox I just did a piece in my sandbox on Bowyn Morgan tell me what you think --Bennyaha (talk) 23:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Reference 5 needs to be stronger reliable source - check out WP:RS. Are there any publications with it in them - books, boxing magazines or the like? I don't claim to be a boxing fan and lack knowledge of its various leagues - WBF etc etc - can you point me to or outline for me how they all fit together - I am trying to get my head around the arguments as to why one qualifies as notable where another does not. NealeFamily (talk) 05:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

NealeFamily (talk) 05:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok for this explanation I am sticking to men boxing because women boxing requires a different explanation

There are 4 major sanctioning bodies: WBC, WBO, WBA (which has Super world titles and Regular World titles) and the IBF. In that order are ranked biggest to smallest in rankings to there size of the sanctioning body. All of there world titles are classed as World champions and all of there regional, international and World titles are what makes a boxer notable in WP:NBOX.

The are allot of Minor Sanctioning bodies as well which the most famous is the IBO which is almost a major sanctioning body but not quite. There have been allot of famous boxers that has held the IBO World title including Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr, Danny Green, Wladimir Klitschko (who still holds his title and defends it with this WBO, IBF and WBA Super title) and many more.

the next biggest Minor Sanctioning body is the WBU which has reinvented itself in Germany but there is no Wiki page on the new version.

The next biggest Minor sanctioning body is the World Boxing Federation which doesnt have a wiki either.

the rest of the sanctioning bodies are not worth much in mens boxing at least.

The sanctioning bodies dont do National titles they only do regional titles which is confusing with the WP:NBOX because they have part where they mention a Full national title which I thought that ment national titles give notability to boxers. That is why i made so many boxers Wikis because they won national titles.

In New Zealand we have two national titles which are created by the two commission bodies which are the NZPBA and the NZNBF. --Bennyaha (talk) 06:23, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. I shall have a think about the best approach. Also I have engaged with Charlie the Pig to proposed deletions into the sandbox as an interim measure so your work isn't lost while we work at sorting out the best way to retain the information.

Also please don't engage in personal attacks - even if provoked (yes you will get sainthood for doing so :)) Wiki rules are tight around that. NealeFamily (talk) 09:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

How are the NZPBA and the NZNBF linked to the sanctioning bodies? And, is it correct to say that the sanctioning bodies only cover international events, whereas the NZPBA and NZNBF cover internal NZ events. NealeFamily (talk) 10:33, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

I dont do personal attacks, I did see the attack on one of the pages, it wasnt me.

A sanctioning body is international recognize body that rank boxers and have world titles and regional titles and what not like the WBO etc etc. A Commissioning body are national bodies that make the boxing events legal (so they look after the paper work and work with governments and police and what not). Commissioning bodies also work with the Sanctioning bodies and generally each commissioning body has a representative from each Sanctioning body. Commissioning bodies generally have there own National title. Generally each country have one or two, unless you like America and Australia where they have one in each state. In NZ we have two, the NZNBF and the NZPBA and they do not work together at all.--122.61.148.207 (talk) 06:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

sorry this part is me I forgot to log in--Bennyaha (talk) 06:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks - now some homework for you - to prevent the loss of data from your earlier additions - can you copy the following articles into your sandpit. I had Charlie the Pig identify all those either currently or likely to be under threat - the rest are ok.

• • James Langton - I think this is now gone

• Currently in AfD
  • Nort Beauchamp
  • Nikolas Charalampous
  • Anthony Taylor (boxer)
  • Hemi Ahio
  • David Letele

• could end in AfD
  • Joe Blackbourn
  • Sam Rapira (boxer)
  • Craig Thomson (boxer)
  • Cairo George

Charlie also commented that he thinks your workmanship is good and would like to encourage you to connect with the Boxing project even if you both got of on the wrong foot. NealeFamily (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

It would probably be a good idea to join them help out and stuff--Bennyaha (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Joseph Parker / infobox

Greetings. You've added zeroes to the fields in Parker's infobox where it says draws and no-contests, but these are redundant and not needed since his total amount of fights vs. wins vs. losses (0) is already there. Therefore, only if he gets a draw or NC in the future should a number be added. Please read the guidelines at MOS:BOXING/INFOBOX for more on this usage. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 02:26, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry I am a very sick person (cancer) so it sometimes take me a couple of days to reply, As much as the guidelines say not to do it, the over all look of it doesnt always look right because when you see profile of a boxer you always have Win/Lose/Draw even if it is W: 22 L:0 D:0 either on announcing in the ring, on Boxrec, other website general profile and stuff like that.--Bennyaha (talk) 22:50, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

No worries and thanks for responding. Thing is, when announcing a boxer, they rarely state "no draws, no NCs". The only 0 that matters is their undefeated one; if they haven't had a draw or NC, it shouldn't need mentioning at all. The guidelines are in place across hundreds of articles, so why must Parker's be any different? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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Women's boxing need of help,

Since you seem skilled in creating boxing records like Sonya Lamonakis alot of women boxers especially American women world champs lack records hear are a few examples below .

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I see what I can do :) I generally focus on new Zealand boxers but I practically done most of them or waiting for new blood to come through so In the mean time I'll help.our with these --Bennyaha (talk) 16:11, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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AIRcorn That will be great Thank you very much. I am much better now but still sick, long road to recovery. :) --Bennyaha (talk) 08:38, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Good to hear. Is it up-to-date regarding the latest fight or do you need some time to get it ready? AIRcorn (talk) 08:40, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

AIRcorn Yea Joseph Parker page is always up to day Lots of editors look after that page since he is world champion --Bennyaha (talk)

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Bennyaha - I disagree, after thoroughly looking in order to find more articles to confirm notability I only found 3-4 articles from reputable news sources mentioning it. (NZ Herald, RNZ, The Guardian, Newstalk ZB). I would argue that this is just a passing mention, and 4 articles with only about 2 of them from mainstream media is not "significant coverage" as required per WP:MOVIE notability guidelines. Cairo2k18 • (talk) • (contribs) 11:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

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You've added a birth date with a source at Chris Martin (boxing trainer), but I can't see anywhere on the source site that a birth date appears. Perhaps it's on a different tab, but I looked at each. The site subsequently requested I log in, and immediately afterwards became unavailable.-gadfium 21:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

The source with his burial information also has his DOB [1]. The website Boxrec generally has the info there if you have a log in. Bennyaha (talk) 22:06, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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re Lani Daniels vs Alrie Meleisa tagging

Hi, I just placed an update banner on the above article as, when written by you, it was in future tense and the bout has now been completed. As the major contributor, you might wish to rewrite it in the past tense. Best regards, LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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Oh I see what has happened I tried to copy and paste a question but it someone how screwed up

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