Just Step Sideways
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Heads up: your unblock of GageCSayre
editI was pleasantly surprised to see you slash through red tape and lift that ancient block, which was a refreshing change of pace after your stonewalling of a similar request some time ago; HOWEVER, I believe in doing so you might've overlooked a relevant bit of information.
In their unblock request, the user claims to be User:RoyalRumble24, who is tagged as a sock of User:Alexcas11, who in turn is tagged as a banned LTA.
It is, of course, entirely possible that the connection was made in error (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alexcas11/Archive doesn't even mention "RoyalRumble24" as far as I can tell), but I think we can both agree that this isn't something to just ignore. If you disagree, please make a statement to that effect for the record.
Thank you. 78.28.44.127 (talk) 07:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is what I get for trying to AGF and look for a simple solution. I think I'm still inclined to just wait and see given the amount of time involved. The unblock doesn't really change anything as they apparently can't access that account, so if they don't immediately go back to creating hoaxes there's no issue, and if they do... banhammer. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- As the instigator of that thread I kind of feel the same way. +1 for them trying to be transparent though, when they could have just not mentioned all the extra socks. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 23:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is that effectively allowing a banned LTA back on the site isn't a call that a single admin can make. By simply unblocking, we're setting the editor up for failure.
- Think about it: the best case scenario is that the user becomes a productive contributor, at some point gets into a dispute with someone over something (which is quite literally unavoidable), that someone decides to use the fact that the user is still technically banned to get the upper hand, and all hell breaks loose (with you at the center of it probably).
- Instead of leaving the siteban situation effectively unresolved, we should follow the normal procedure: start with a CU check on TheAmazingCoffeeMan (I'm sure @NinjaRobotPirate: wouldn't mind lending a hand) to make sure the banned LTA doesn't have twenty other accounts operating already (AGF but verify), ask them about those other accounts they didn't mention, and then have a proper AN discussion.
- Personally, I too would support letting them return based on the length of time that has passed since their vandalizing rampage alone, but it's in everyone's best interest to do it the proper way. 78.28.44.127 (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've raised the issue on their talk page. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I too would support letting them return based on the length of time that has passed since their vandalizing rampage alone, but it's in everyone's best interest to do it the proper way. 78.28.44.127 (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Dummy
edit[Bishzilla is often herself tempted to refer to little 'shonen as "dummy". Sticks the little Just Step Sideways in her pocket. Approvingly:] Good little user! Stay! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 09:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC).
- I don't often find myself agreeing with colossal prehistoric reptilian / dinosaurian monsters, but to say that the thoughs expressed in User:Just Step Sideways/situations are well articulated and as a long-term (c. 2005) WR/WPO lurker, align with my own. Ceoil (talk) 22:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
editThe Admin's Barnstar | |
Your close at WP:Articles for deletion/Music composition and composers in Pristina was exactly was what I thought of saying to asilvering, but chose not to for lack of desire to "argue with the refs" as it were. Thanks! Mach61 04:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC) |
Names
editI'll stick with Beebs...it's used affectionately. Atsme 💬 📧 19:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- I sometimes think I should've gone with that, as it refers specifically to me, but I wanted to make some sort of shout out to Mark E. Smith so here we are. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Re: I guess we're not quite done here yet.
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Revision deletion for BLP violations
editHello, could you revdel some BLP violating content on this article: [1] I removed it with my most recent edit. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
An Update
editHi, Just Step Sideways. I am thrilled to share that I successfully completed my NPP School Training and Assessment yesterday, guided by DreamRimmer’s mentorship. I wanted to share this update with you specifically, as it was your encouragement back in June 2024, when you granted me Autopatroller rights and suggested I pursue NPP, that led me to consider taking this step. I hope to see you around, and please don’t hesitate to reach out if you feel I am deviating from Wikipedia's editing guidelines or committing any sort of mistakes. Charlie (talk) 06:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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Arbitration case request declined
editHi Just Step Sideways. The Wikipediocracy-related conduct case request has been declined. While the arbitrators were closely divided, there was not an absolute majority to accept the case. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 06:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if seventeen days is aome kind of record for a case request... Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Cleanup request
editHi! Hope things are well with you. Given this recent unblock of yours, can you fix the page User:Min968 in whatever fashion is recommended? Folly Mox (talk) 12:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I did mean to do just that, must've got disctracted... Looks like HouseBlaster already got to it. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
I blame myself
editfor Wikipedia:Administrator recall/Graham87. I'd seen questionable blocks at UTRS and not said anything. Too unwilling to question a colleague. SMDH. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not an easy thing, holding colleagues to account, but he was called out on it repeatedly before this. It's not on you. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you ever see any of my actions you find questionable don't hesitate to point them out. Civil queries about admin actions between admins should be completely normal. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a portion of that DFO. I've seen some questionable blocks but not so questionable or so often that I felt a need to stick my nose in. A more open culture among admins, challenging the decisions without challenging the admins, would go a long way to fending off any unnecessary escalation. To those who have felt able to tactfully step in to situations such as this before they have blown up, more power to you. Cabayi (talk) 12:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
... you're an Indian news company. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, for that you have to actually file a lawsuit and wait a couple months. And while I can't claim to know how these things are done on the subcontinent, in the US it isn't libel unless you can prove it is not true. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
November 2024
editHi, do you think the following account might be a Flyer22 sock?[2] Biohistorian15 (talk) 08:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Daner's Creek would be the place to discuss that. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
No answer
editTalk:Masnaa Border Crossing#Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2024
Hello, I have not received any response for 11 days on this page. Is this normal? How can this be explained, and what should I do? Kind regards JMGuyon (talk) 00:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not at all sure why you decided to ask me in particular as I don't edit in that subject area, but I have responded there. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 00:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
November music
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I uploaded more pics (see places), on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - Madeleine Riffaud - remember. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm kinda bummed that I didn't make it back this year to the lake in the picture at the right. Last time we were there we took our scanoe out and managed to spot a bear with two cubs foraging on the mountainside. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 00:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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Bishonen | tålk 11:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC).
And YGM from me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Forget it. The issue has resolved itself. Probably a cache error. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weird. Before just now my last edit was about fourteen hours ago. Good to see you though. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
I have also sent mail charlotte 👸♥ 07:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have also sent mail. It was to my insurance company...but...I just wanted to feel like part of the group. GMGtalk 23:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't understand the need to twist the knife
editJust leave the guy alone. Jesus. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I just think it would be better for everyone if this just ended now instead of going on for a full week. It's probably in his own best interest to pull the plug now. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? Floquenbeam (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? Floquenbeam (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, that was an utterly pointless and mean "question". If you want to say he should withdraw, just tell him he should elsewhere in the discussion or on his Talk—you're not earnestly asking if he's considered it. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 02:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, Just Step Sideways, and hello@Star Mississippi (who had kindly relisted the page)
Can I ask you to kindly undo your close of that AfD about film, please? There's not even one Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @Dclemens1971, who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see TP where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -Mushy Yank. 00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! -Mushy Yank. 00:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- so you... stepped sideways to the wrong AfD? :)
- Thanks @Mushy Yank for the ping. Glad it was resolved in the interim while I was offline.I didn't watch the AfD after the relist so please do ping me if needed. Star Mississippi 01:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I read that in Mark E. Smith's voice.
- When I'm closing AFDs I have the log for the whole day open, with only still-open discussions displayed, and there were two similarly long ones back-to-back. Not that it is anything but my fault but I assume that's how it happened. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Why the name change?
editBeeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? Maproom (talk) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of The Fall and since the death of Mark E. Smith I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. [3] Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. Maproom (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- At the time I changed it I did not anticipate ever running for ArbCom again, but after watching the committee struggle this past year I decided I'd run again. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. Maproom (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
cand q
editThank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:
- Liviu Holender chose lieder by five composers whose music was banned by the Nazis—Schreker, Zemlinsky, Mahler, Korngold and Schönberg—for a recital at the Oper Frankfurt.
What does this 2024 DYK tell you about infoboxes for classical composers in 2024? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Explicit–Liz
editI don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per my comment a short while ago) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest waiting to see if the issue continues before anyone makes an explicit proposal, or even an Explicit proposal. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I really enjoy how much likelier you are to comment on a subject if you can sneak in a cheap pun.
- And I agree, I think this thread was a shot across the bow to both of them to cut this out. Let's see if they abide by that. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 23:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest waiting to see if the issue continues before anyone makes an explicit proposal, or even an Explicit proposal. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Question re that ANI discussion just now
editI thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for the message they left shortly before you closed that although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "you don't know anything" and whatever else. Thoughts? City of Silver 21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point, I've added a bit on that specifically to the closing message. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Another article for deletion
editRegarding the deletion of Timeline of UFOs, shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from Timeline of Ufology (see here). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Wikipedia deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, I thought the XFD closer would handle that but I guess not. I'll zap it now. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 02:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
"I don't think I've ever actually seen that before."
editAbout this. There was also this a few weeks ago for interest. It seems it happens, but I don't know how often. Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fairly sure those are both the same person, fwiw. – bradv 06:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Prety weak to not realize that's never going to work, but I've given up being sursrised at such things, Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 08:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Wikipedia gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
There are a few talkpage archives still lingering.[4] DMacks (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good catch, zapped them all. Darn nonstandard talk page numbering. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick fix! DMacks (talk) 01:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)