Andy F

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It's February 2010 and I'm back after an absence. I'll be working on various articles, expanding some and tidying-up others. Previous discussions on my talk page are in my Archive.

Welcome back!

Hi Andy, good to see you back! I haven't got any specific suggestions for you - probably best just to potter about and dive in where you see someting you can improve. DuncanHill (talk) 18:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Category links

Hi again, hope you don't mind but I edited your sandbox here [1]. This has made direct links to the categories you had listed, so you can just click on them to see the contents of the categories. DuncanHill (talk) 15:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah! Well done Duncan, thanks. I see you have inserted a : as the first charactr in the cat tag. I hadn't seen that done before so thank you. Andy F (talk) 18:20, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, putting a colon as the first character makes it into a wikilink, rather than putting the page into the category - very useful trick and one that I didn't discover for ages!

Thanks for the barnstar - very kind and very much appreciated :) DuncanHill (talk) 21:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Dunchurch Railway Station

Please feel free to do as you think fit with this page. I think I only got involved with it one day when I was at a loose end. I used to have connections with Dunchurch long years ago, and can remember the station from my boyhood when travelling between Rugby and Leamington. Incidentally, I am a cornishman by birth having been born in Port Gaverne (above Port Isaac), but I decided to move to the Midlands when I was 6 weeks old! My mother's family are all cornish (Tintagel), though most have moved away (or passed away) now.

OK, thanks for getting back to me. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 13:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thame

Yes thanks for that info - might try to incorporate it somehow. I have no input on the name, but I noticed you changed the lock. There is a reason for stating Benson which is that locks are responsible for the body of water upstream and hence are affected by any tributaries. The Thame has no impact on Day's Lock at all. Regards Motmit (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your welcome!EvelynS (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for Basher's Barnstar

Much appreciate the Barn Star, Andy. I had wondered whether to flag up the fact that within the next week I shall flag up 25,000 edits on Wikipedia and 40,000 images on Geograph but it seems a bit boasty. Not very English!
My wife often asks me which I like best; and I can't really say. Nice to hear you at the 17th Feb Conference. I too prepared a talk but as the Good Book says [2] Bashereyre (talk) 16:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Billy Bragg

It's a pity the photo you took of Billy turned out blurred. What happened? It appears you were too close to him when you took it or he made a sudden movement. The people in the background aren't blurred at all. He looks much older than his age; just compare him to older people like Sting.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Sting looks pretty good for his age

Hi Jeanne, the blurring was because I grabbed the shot close-up in a jostling crowd and Billy was walking forward at the time. (I got some much clearer shots that day – see Geograph and left).

I admit my shot was not a very flattering portrait of Bill – but, IMO, Sting looks his age in the flesh too. Let's face it, babe, those ol' rockers aint as young as they used to be :) Andy F (talk) 10:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Andy, thank you ever so much for the barnstar; I can assure you it brought a big smile to my face and brightened up an otherwise dull, dreary day. The other photo you took is good. Actually, your Billy Bragg photo is much better than the current photo in the infobox of his article. Why not replace it with yours?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, Jeanne – as I said, well-deserved. I think the pic in the infobox on the Billy Bragg page is more appropriate then my shot because Bill is, primarily, known as a singer-songwriter and performer (why not catch one of his concerts next time you're in the UK?). However, as my pic depicts Bill at a demo, I've put it in the Politics section of the article. Andy F (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, speaking of accents; back in 1980 I lived in Sussex (Lewes and Brighton). Most of the young people spoke with London accents whereas the older people used the traditional Sussex accent.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, you'd be hard put to find a Sussex accent in Brighton nowadays. It still survives in the more rural parts of the county but along the coast, it has become Londonn-ised over the past few years. Are you aware of the Sussex traditional singers The Copper Family? Andy F (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard of them, but I saw Billy in concert. It was in 1987 in Dublin. He put on a great show and I had a fairly good seat close to the stage. I've got about 3 cassettes of his. My favourite Bragg songs are Greetings to the New Brunette and Island of No Return.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Great, glad you've seen him. His classic, of course, is A New England, a poignant song that somehow captures both workaday romanticism and the social concerns of its time. BTW, if you want to supplement this discussion by email, feel free (link above). Andy F (talk) 13:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Cornish

Andy, I happen to have some remote Cornish ancestry. Alas, I've never been to Cornwall.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, a Cornish Princess, a true Celt! Never been to the sixth Celtic nation? About time you did! 17:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I was on my way back in 1979, but I never made it as the trains were infrequent that day, it being Sunday. A pity I didn't go. I'd love to see St Michael's Mount.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It's certainly worth seeing, especially looking west at sunset with the Mount silhoutted against a copper-blazed sky Andy F (talk) 18:09, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

What a lovely image. Oh, and the song on YouTube is very nice. Mind you, my Celtic blood comes mainly from the Irish as I'm about 75% Irish!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Deletion proposals

Hi, the list is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/Articles up for deletion - I try to update it whenever I see a Cornwall-related article or category proposed for deletion, be great if you could too. DuncanHill (talk) 12:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, Duncan, will do. Andy F (talk) 12:28, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Nearly there

Should have the 40,000 up by the week-end (13/14 March 2010). Seb Ballard has just introduced me to the multiple upload. At present I'm still fine tuning it but it will definitly help. Bashereyre (talk) 08:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Great work, Basher! Well done. Have you uploaded any / many of your images to Commons? If not you might want to consider doing so as images of specific locations are very usefyul to Wikipedians who want to illustrate articles. The upload page is quick and simple and you can find it here. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 08:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

PS To remove the message box I left on your talk page simply delete the {{talkback}} template. Andy F (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Antony Twinning

Hi Andy, I noticed you commented out the twinning of Antony. As I originally come from the Rame peninsula, I know that Antony is covered by the twinning of Torpoint with Benodet. Although, as you say it's hard to find a reference to point to this. As the whole of the UK is now covered by Google street view, it can be seen on the village entry sign that the village is twinned here. But do you know if this can be used as a reference in any way? Cheers, Zangar (talk) 11:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Zangar. I do not dispute that Antony is twinned with Benoded – I remarked-out the mention because it is unref-ed / uncited and because I can find nothing to authoritatively verify it. You ask about using Google Streetview imagry as verification. Hmm, a tricky one – to be honest, I don't know the answer. It might be worth you posting that question to WP:Cornwall or asking at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability? BTW, I am going through this list alphabetically adding OS 1:5000 map references to each place and at the same time checking that the oscoor and coord are accurate. Andy F (talk) 11:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Links & dmoz

Thanks for the message. Firstly, I like DMOZ because by putting it there you can deflect anyone adding links in the future by saying either "It's already on dmoz" or "If it's that important then go submit it to dmoz". As for the links I leave behind, mine are typically the town council, official (local government-run) tourist websites and any local history resources which clearly meet the first criteria on WP:ELNO i.e. they contain information above and beyond what the article would contain were it of featured article quality. Others I consider on a how-does-it-feel-or-smell basis. I like the work you are doing - keep it up. --Simple Bob (talk) 21:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Signing edits

You only need to sign talk pages; there is no need to sign your edit summaries with ~~~~ as this is not translated. Your user name is recorded automatically.

Keep up the good work! Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah. OK – thanks for that Geoff Andy F (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Mick Fleetwood

Hey Andy, I have just read in Mick Fleetwood's article that he was born in Redruth, Cornwall. Is he really Cornish or were his parents from other parts of England who happened to settle there? I had never heard of him being listed as a Cornishman anywhere which is why I'm asking you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know Jeanne. But I know a man who does ... Andy F (talk) 19:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

His father was an officer in the RAF, so the family moved around a lot. I don't know which airfield in Cornwall he was stationed at though. DuncanHill (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Duncan. Apparently his sister, the sadly-missed actress Susan Fleetwood, was born in St Andrews in Scotland. I've dropped a line to a friend who knows him so let's see what comes back. Andy F (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Andy and Duncan. The name Fleetwood doesn't sound particularily Cornish and I had never before heard of him being referred to as a Cornishman; therefore I decided to enquire here.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:51, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne, I have had an email back from the chap who knows. He writes: "Yes, MF was born in Redruth in 1947. So was the lovely Kristin Scott Thomas. And the 'Doctors' actor David Sturzaker." This info is not WP:V of course because 'asking his mate' falls under the heading of original research Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 09:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

That's like when I created the Max Lazer Band article. All the info about Max I received from him personally back in 1978! Anyroad, the article was deleted as it didn't meet notabilty standards. Is your friend an aquitance of Fleetwood's? Mick Fleetwood has a lot of charisma; same with Deep Purple/Rainbow's guitarist Ritchie Blackmore.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:25, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Beck or Page

Andy, I'd like your opinion. Who do you think was the better Yardbirds guitarist? Jeff Beck or Jimmy Page?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 19:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Well apart from putting in a vote for Clapton, I've no strong feelings either way. They were different: Beck was more into FX and fuzztone, Page more into a bluesy Mayal-esque thing (until later). To answer the question I would have to consider them in the context of what they did with the Yardbirds rather than base my answer on their subsequent careers. Trouble is I wasn't that much of a Yardbirds fan. I saw the band a few times at the Marquee when the lead guitarist was Andy Topham - Clapton joined about then but I don't remember whether I ever saw him play with them. I saw them at the Roundhouse with Jeff Beck - people generally say that Page replaced Beck but I think they overlapped a bit. Then IIRC the Yardbirds broke up and Page got in two mates from Brum - John Jones and John Bonham - to start a 'New Yardbirds' but when Robert Plant (also a Midlander) joined them they decided on the name 'Led Zeppelin' and the rest is history. But it's all a bit hazy now. Andy F (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The Yardbirds' Heart Full of Soul is one of my all-time favourites and it had Beck on guitar. You say Jimmy Page was shy?!!!!! That wasn't the reputation he had in Los Angels in the 70s when he was the number 1 groupie magnet along with David Bowie.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't say he was shy around the girls :) Andy F (talk) 19:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

He didn't look too good in his Yardbirds days; he got better looking when they transformed into Led Zep. Jeff Beck, IMO, is much better looking than either Page or Clapton. I suppose because there is something about him that reminds me of Keith Richards.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I just had a listen to Cream's Tales of Brave Ullyses on YouTube; perhaps, I was a bit hasty in saying Clapton was overrated. He's brilliant on that!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Autoreviewer

Hi Andy F, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autoreviewer right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autoreviewer right, see Wikipedia:Autoreviewer. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to the club

Hi Andy, I see you've just been granted autoreview rights. Congratulations and welcome to the exclusive club of Autoreviewers! Doesn't have quite the gear atmosphere of WikiBlitz, but it's close!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Jeanne – your warm words are much appreciated Andy F (talk) 07:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Snow Storms in East Asia

Hi there. I did indeed block the user for three hours, because she/he had been adding "free account this is my password" and so on on several articles so I implemented a quick block to prevent damage while WP:ANI assessed what to do with the situation. In terms of long term problems regarding POV and so on, I am at a lost - but I will keep it in mind if I have to deal with the user again. SGGH ^ping! 15:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Piggy Award?

You have earned this for good editing!

What a bizarre award; however, it's charming. I've always liked pigs-in fact, I have a small collection of ceramic pigs.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jeanne, I've idea where it came from – it popped up today on my user page. It completely effed up the layout so I put it here for the time being. It came from User:PiggyAwards (see also User talk:PiggyAwards) which seems to be a sock for User:Marek69. If you clkick the image you can see which other pages it appears on. Andy F (talk) 09:13, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Lizard lifeaboat station

Hi Andy F

Thank you for correcting the coords for The Lizard Lifeboat Station article and for your contribution to the article. I don’t mind admitting I have had problems with coords and getting them correct. The tool you put me on to will be very helpful, thanks for that. I see from your talk page that you are a member of the WikiProject Cornwall. I have contributed many articles on Lifeboats and the RNLI, especially in the Norfolk and East Anglia area were I live. I am very surprised on how few articles there are concerning this subject around the rest of the county. Cornwall in particular has a rich heritage in this area, as I sure you are aware. I was surprised how little information there is on the lifeboats and stations around the coast of Cornwall. I hope this article will initiate some interest in contributors adding more information on this subject to Wikipedia. This topic in Norfolk has a useful Navigation Template (Here) which has prompted others to Contribute. I wondered if some one within the WikiProject Cornwall could create a similar template so as to kick start some interest. My knowledge of Cornish Lifeboat stations, Active or closed, is some what limited to be able to create a template myself.  stavros1  ♣  10:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Wee edit

Andy, I made an edit to the Jacqui McShee article. I added a section heading.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, Jeanne, looks good to me Andy F (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy Easter, Andy! Enjoy the day.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Face to face: article creator and articled person

On Saturday evening I met the Right Reverend Ian James Brackley whose article I started- he confirmed my niece at Portsmouth Cathedral. Anything like that ever happened to you? Bashereyre (talk) 09:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Basher, good to hear from you. What an interesting coincidence. Did you get a chance to tell Rev Brackley that you'd started a WP article about him?

In answer to your question, the short reply is 'not exactly, no'. However, the longer answer is that I've contributed to articles about people I already know and, of course, I've visited many of the places I've created articles about. You mention Portsmouth Cathedral – I didn't even know Portsmouth had one! Andy F (talk) 09:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Portsmouth has two cathedrals :) DuncanHill (talk) 21:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I once created an article about the band a guy I knew fronted, but it was quickly deleted as non-notable! It was a glam-punk band that was around LA in 1978.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Notable to you though, Jeanne! Andy F (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Seven Bays & Gwinear

Replied at mine - but I'll say here thanks again for all your hard and good work. DuncanHill (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Very kind of you to say so. I've replied in detail at your talk page. Andy F (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Helston

What's so good about Camborne that the second sentence of the lead for the Helston article describes it as being eight miles south of there? Most people I know only work out where Helston is when I describe it as being roughly between Falmouth and Penzance; Camborne is just about as obscure as Helston, possibly even more so as Helston has additional notability thrust upon it courtesy of Flora Day. Harrias ^talk 10:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks good; as I said, it just seemed an odd way to describe its location. I don't have much to do with the article, but being a Helstonian, I have it on my watchlist :P Harrias ^talk 13:16, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Crugmeer

Looking west towards Crugmere Farm

There are two captions here so I am not sure which is right (Crugmere = Crugmeer). A few weeks ago I created Condolden so you may wish to add the coord to it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 07:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for improving the Condolden article.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Malcolm Mclaren

I see that Malcolm Mclaren died yesterday. I'm sorry to hear this. It's strange...he died on Vivienne Westwood's birthday.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:07, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Banbury railway station

Not wanting to get too involved in what appears to be a bit of an edit war regarding images on Banbury railway station (some of the recent additions are decidedly poor, as you have noted), but I'd like to dispute the removal of this map. Your edit summary says "Removed JPG map because it shows the SMJ (which served Merton Street, not the current station which is the subject of this article. Also, the positioning messed up the page".

• yes it does show both the SMJ (in blue) and Merton Street (in red), but it also shows the GWR and the current station (in yellow) at the left. The map may presently be found on every other article for a station depicted on that map, whether SMJ or otherwise.
• Regarding its positioning - in September 2009 I put it in the "Services and Operators" section, but can't remember why; it remained there for over six months, but has been moved about several times today, ending up back at "Services and Operators". However, I now think that "History" would have been a better place, because it's historical, not present-day.

Would you mind If I put it back, but in the History section? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Redrose. Sorry – I jumped the gun. As you'll have seen, an editor has been persistently inserting low-quality and/or unsuitable images in several local rail-related articles: the Banbury history seemed to indicate an anonymous placement of the SMJ map so I prematurely jumped to the wrong conclusion. Apologies.

Regarding the relevance of the map, on reflection I take your point that it depicts the GWR station as well as the SMJ station and, on that basis, it provides historical context. By all means reinstate it – although its placement in 'History' may be a bit tricky because the page is fairly crowded and the image could either disrupt the text and/or infoboxes or, if forced to the left, could 'island' the text (see WP:IMAGE). If you want me to look at its positioning just ask.

I notice you've been doing some excellent work on the 'Brit' article. Well done! Oh, BTW, I spotted your electric folk UBX – see you at Cropredy? Best wishes Andy F (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I've put the map back in, top left of History. I think that it looks fine in IE7, Firefox 3.6 and Chrome; and a benefit is that in IE7, the chunk of whitespace that occurs at the end of the section is reduced in size.

I've done three edits to BR Standard Class 7: one was to get the page out of Category:Unusual parameters of Infobox locomotive template; the second was because I was sceptical about a recent edit (see talk); and the third was because I believe it's bad form to interrupt text with source info which by rights should be in Notes/References/etc. So, sorry, I've not done much.

Re Electric Folk - yes, I have a whole heap of Fairport Convention, Steeleye Span etc. records and CDs. I don't think that I'll be going to Cropredy this year: I have been two or three times in the past, around the time when it was about £25 for the weekend. It's a lot more than that nowadays, and I'm out of work too. I do get to see Fairport more often than any other band though: their upcoming tour (details) kicks off in Didcot, which is where I live!

As for your earlier q re Judy Dyble: I think that I have all her CDs except A Young Person's Guide to King Crimson. I have also tried to update the article; Jude12 (talk · contribs) has made suggestions, and I think that she is expecting me to expand substantially. I'm not much cop at prose though, particularly when WP:BLP applies. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was the commentary on the ashpan/pivot I was referring to – I meant to look it up in one of the Irwell books but they're all in the attic. Drop me an email (link, left) re Fairport. Andy F (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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Barnstar

Hello Andy, Thank you very much for the barnstar. I began working in WikiProject Cornwall expanding the articles about the district I knew best and moved on from there since the coverage of church history was not very good at that time. I have either created or contributed substantially to Tintagel, Tintagel Parish Church, Christianity in Cornwall, Fishing in Cornwall and Mining in Cornwall and Devon, also various members of Category:Cornwall-related lists. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 06:08, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

The barnstar means a lot coming from someone whose work I respect. Thank you. DuncanHill (talk) 21:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Lizard parishes

Hello, I hope you do not object to the editing, like everything else here it can be reverted. I think St Keverne is east of Landewednack so the order changes. It looks to me like two rows of areas going west to east. The map looks good though I do not know the detail of the civil parish boundaries (they will probably be different in some ways from the historic parishes which began to be modified in the 19th century). A map of the ecclesiastical parishes in 1877 appears at the end of the Cornish Church Guide. 'Manaccan' is misspelled on the map. (I also noted at Slaughterbridge that the map had 'Tregue' while the article has 'Treague'. I do not know whether this can be changed.) Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

If it's civil parish boundaries that you need, these are shown on Ordnance Survey "one-inch" maps, both the "New Popular Edition" (aka "6th edition") and the Seventh Series, also on the 1:50000 First Series. The one-inch New Popular Edition were produced from 1945 on; it's possible that older editions may also show civil parish boundaries, but I don't have any to check. They stopped showing them at the time of the 1974 local government reorganisation, which was round about the time that the OS were also re-surveying to produce the 1:50000 Second Series maps, so few, if any, of the 2nd series show civil parish bdys. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Felix and Redrose – I'll do some more work on it Andy F (talk) 08:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Lizard map

Looks good to me. The one change I would make is to have dotted lines for the former parishes which make up Grade-Ruan, just have the solid line around the current parish (if you see what I mean). DuncanHill (talk) 09:31, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I'd also make it a bit bigger to include all of Mawgan (so have Helford passage at the top margin). DuncanHill (talk) 10:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

You could use the interactive mapping service from Cornwall Council to double check any boundaries. Try [3] DuncanHill (talk) 10:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Duncan – I'll get to work Andy F (talk) 08:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Lizard corrected

I have reviewed the map in the light of the comments received and replaced the file with a corrected version which is here

Felix: I've incorporated your suggestions in the amended text – good suggestions which clarify the text, thank you.

Redrose64: You are right – I had confused the ecclesiastical parishes with the current civil parishes. Thank you.

Duncan: Regarding the former ecclesiastical parishes of Ruan Major, Ruan Minor, and Greade I've left them off the map and deleted them from the text. Thank you very much for pointing me to the Cornwall Council map – that and the OS 1:25000 map gave me the correct boundaries.

Further suggestions and comments are very welcome. Andy F (talk) 07:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Tresco

It looks as if you will not be getting to Tresco for a while, but the map of the island is nothing but a line round the coast and a spot called Tresco on the west coast. It would help if the tow main settlements could be put in context and the relation of the Abbey Gardens to them. --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 23:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Felix, I followed the links from the map and found it is one of a series by User:Bohemian Arcade. You can find them at the bottom of his user page. I don't want to just weigh in and start adapting his maps so I suggest that you leave him a message suggesting he add major settlements to all his maps. Let me know if you do and I'll add my sixpen'th. Andy F (talk) 06:34, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Redirects

The computer system I am using has problems today so a proper answer to the message you sent will have to wait. Making proper articles which you are doing is certainly the best in the long run but it needs editors who know how to do it properly. Seven Bays is another example of an article which perhaps should not be there (it overlaps a large part of the article for St Merryn and is probably a name which was invented fairly recently). Now you are at work I would not make the kind of change which I did with Ruthvoes and Ashton, Cornwall.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 07:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Felix, thanks for the reply. I take your points and agree. I also agree quite strongly about Seven Bays and it is on my 'to do' list. Hoper your computer issues get sorted. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 07:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

That is good news; when writing about the past the entities which were important were the parishes and manors, and until the 19th century most of the population would stay more or less where they were born. Part of the computer problem has cleared but I suspect that part of the set of programs which have worked until now may have to be modified (not by me of course). I cetainly won't be doing very much for a few days. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Mount Hawke and Mithian

Hello, I have been sorted out as far as computing problems go; there is a way round what made it seize up recently. I have been trying to remember about the time when some of those redirects were created; it was impossible to be familiar with the regulations in detail and no-one complained about them at the time. I was also reluctant to create short articles because they need very good references to avoid concerns about notability and quality. At least whatever account I inserted would be subject to word searching and perhaps other editorial work would follow from that. I was also working from sources which tend to group coverage at the parish level and cover a period pf many hundred years when the distribution of settlements was very different from that of the present day. However the articles are addressing potentially a diverse range of readers so they need balance as well. If it was nine-tenths history and one tenth current information it would still be at the stub level. I see you are making good use of Genuki in some of these new articles (under Crowan you took it out of the External links though, not sure why). Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Felix, thanks for your reply above. I'm glad to hear your computer is sorted.

I certainly wasn't complaining about the redirects, just pointing out the principle of least astonishment. When you say that your sources are slanted towards the parish level over hundreds of years, I think that is a great strength – certainly I value your expertise in that area. I take your point that if an article is mostly historical it might not meet the needs of the more general reader but I think the history information is key to any article about a town or village or man-influenced landscape. So thank you for the very good work that you do.

Regarding Genuki, I do not usually include its pages as an external link if I have used it (with a link) in a reference. With 'external Links' I tend to follow WP:ELNO and err towards fewer rather than more links. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Disused railway stations (Plymouth to Penzance Line)

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List of Cornwall Civil Parishes

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Bude

Hi Andy, Bude isn't the civil parish, it's Bude-Stratton. I've amended the list in your sandbox and removed the category from the Bude article. DuncanHill (talk) 12:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well spotted that man! Good work Andy F (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Tywardreath

Hi Andy. Have you ever been to Tywardreath, setting of the interesting Daphne Du Maurier novel The House on the Strand?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The short answer is 'no' but I'll reply more fully on your talk page, 'Jeanne 16:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Cornish parishes

Hello again, Thank you for the compliment; there is a lot more that could be added to many Cornwall articles but the content should not become unbalanced and the sources I am using are rather patchy anyway as I do not have any of the fuller parochial histories by Gilbert, Polsue or Maclean. You have done well to get through all the parishes from N to Z in a short time. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

These two were inconsistent with the titles of the Wikipedia articles (which are correct): Cornwall Council are not necessarily correct. It was only the capitalised 'The' which looked wrong as articles are only capitalised in article titles in very few cases.

Ah! Got it! I've changed them to suit. Thanks, Felix Andy F (talk) 10:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: To reply first to Felix's points. The Cornwall Council website page spells St Michael's Mount with no apostrophe (hence my perpetuating the error) but if we change it on Wikipedia I think links will break. I will, however, change it in the article's text. Not sure what you mean about St Thomas... are you referring specifically to the lowercase 'T' in 'the'? If so, I see no reason why we can't move the page (as long as we leave a redirect from the lowercase version).--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I see Cornwall has been keeping you very busy! I made the mistake of starting disambiguating pages!!!! --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

1,500th article

Just done my milestone article. Next goal- 50,000 photos on Geograph by August 31st, 2010! Basher (can't get the tilde to work today) User_talk:Bashereyre

No prob, Basher, I've added your sig Andy F (talk) 07:44, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Crowdy Reservoir

Hello, One of your maps on the Bodmin Moor page has the spelling "Cowdy"; hope you can change it.talk

DONE: (answered on Felix's talk page Andy F (talk) 13:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Cornish parliamentary constituencies

Hi. I noticed you uploaded what you called a "sketch map" of the parliamentary constituencies in Cornwall. Are you sure it's strictly necessary? We don't have them for any other counties, and List of Parliamentary constituencies in Cornwall makes it quite clear which constituency is which. Wereon (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wereon, yup that is what I called it – it seems an accurate description, does it not?

I accept that the map might be superfluous on the specific page List of Parliamentary constituencies in Cornwall but there are other articles about Cornwall where it can add value, clarify, and explain. Maps – especially labelled maps – can convey information much more clearly and quickly than text alone (or, indeed, a combination of text and separate graphic).

That brings me to a wider point. Wikpedia is an encyclopaedia and, IMO, the purpose of an encyclopaedia is to inform, educate and serve as a reference. Therefore anything that adds accurate easily-accessible information is of value (provided it does not contravene WP:5P of course). Better too much info than too little IMO and, incidentally, better if info is repeated in alternate forms if doing so further informs and explains.

Incidentally, like you I see value in consistency (particularly in the context of WP:Astonish) – in fact, I specifically consider consistency when editing articles in WP:Cornwall. But I do not think consistency should be master of all we do so, in this case, I do not agree that because all counties don't have something, none should. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 07:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of maps for information like this - they convey meaning in a way which text alone cannot. Maybe we need maps like this for the other counties? As a reader I would certainly find them helpful. DuncanHill (talk) 10:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Including outline maps where appropriate is I feel very worthwhile; there will be many readers who will understand the content more quickly from a map rather than text alone.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to appear curmudgeonly. All three of the editors above make good arguments for the map's inclusion. Can I ask, though, that you vectorize it, and that you use the official constituency names? Wereon (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wereon, the map was drawn as a raster graphic in PhotoShop. I'm not sure how to convert it into a vector graphic. Any advice please? as to names, is this List of Parliamentary constituencies in Cornwall correct and, if so, is this how you suggest the names should appear on the map? Andy F (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

You'd be best off adapting File:2010UKElectionMap.svg in Inkscape, cropping the relevant section. I could do it, but I don't have time to do it for every county, if that's what you decide to do. Yes, the names on that list are accurate, but beware that those that the BBC and much of the media use are not. Wereon (talk) 12:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

St Austell

Ok, so you think that the term 'urban' characterises St Austell. I don't agree. The word urban normally pertains to a city environment not a small country town. I also don't accept that the reference you cited supports the urban assertion. To my mind, the sentence adds no useful value to the St Austell article and is in fact misleading. To suggest that the civil parish is entirely urban in character is patent nonsense to those of us who live there. I'm not going to get into any kind of edit war over the matter and I leave it to you and others as to its appropriateness. Poltair (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I dispute that St Austell is a 'small country town'; it is the biggest town in Cornwall by population (although, arguably, Camborne-Pool-Redruth is bigger in area). Secondly, you are of course free to put whatever personal connotation you wish on the word 'urban' but the Oxford Dictionary defines it as ...living or situated in a city or town.... By your definition, Truro as a city is urban while St Austell as a town is not.

In the specific case of parish articles I use 'urban' as the antonym of 'rural' to describe built-up areas of roads and streets with commercial, civic and residential buildings. I contend that most readers will understand that usage. However, if you can suggest a better adjective than 'urban' to describe towns like St Austell I will gladly consider it.

As to the reference, if you select the parish overlay then enlarge the map until it shows OS 1:50000 mapping, you will clearly see that the boundary of the new parish very closely follows the bounds of the built-up area. Andy F (talk) 19:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

PS You might also like to explain to me why until the 1974 local government changes, Cornwall had numerous authorities officially titled 'Urban'; Bude-Stratton Urban District, Camborne-Redruth Urban District, Looe Urban District, Newquay Urban District, Torpoint Urban District and so on? Or, indeed, why the current unitary authority Cornwall Council refers frequently to "... urban areas of Cornwall...". For example, in the Council's LTP (Local Transport Plan) document we read of "...development in the urban centres in Cornwall ...". In other published documents, the Council sets out Urban Centre Strategies for the seven centres it identifies with the word 'urban' (Camborne-Pool-Redruth, Truro, Falmouth-Penryn, St Austell, Newquay, Penzance and Bodmin). There are other examples, of course; lots of them, in fact.

In short, if "urban" as defined by common usage and the Oxford Dictionary is good enough for Cornwall Council and its predecessors, then it's good enough for me. And it should be for you too, regardless of whether or not you regard St Austell as a "small country town". Andy F (talk) 22:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

You're both right! St Austell is a small country town (but I remember thinking it was huge after I moved there from Treknow). It is also urban - a built up area having all the characteristics of a town. We do see phrases like "urban deprivation" to mean "inner-city squalor", but the word itself is being used correctly by Andy here. DuncanHill (talk) 08:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Urban districts weren't peculiar to Cornwall - see Local Government Act 1894 - pre-1974 administrative County Councils in England and Wales were divided into borough councils, urban districts and rural districts; rural districts were further subdivided into civil parishes. Boroughs and UDCs were approximately equal in status, the name difference being largely historical (such as the granting of a Royal Charter creating the Borough); also, a Borough typically had a Mayor, whereas UDCs had a Chairman. Boroughs and UDCs together covered the towns and cities, whereas the RDCs covered the villages. Many RDCs had a name common with a Borough or UDC; so in Oxfordshire, we had Banbury Borough Council, and also Banbury RDC. My Whitaker's Almanac for 1974 lists all County Boroughs (none of which were in Cornwall), all Borough Councils (eleven being in Cornwall: Bodmin, Falmouth, Helston, Launceston, Liskeard, Penryn, Penzance, St. Austell with Fowey, St. Ives, Saltash, Truro), but doesn't list all UDCs - it cuts off at a population of 20,000 (so for Cornwall, only one is listed: Camborne-Redruth). It also notes that St. Austell with Fowey Borough Council was created in 1968, and had an estimated population of 32,520 (June 1972). --Redrose64 (talk) 12:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

And prior to the establishment of St Austell with Fowey Municipal Borough, St Austell was an Urban District. DuncanHill (talk) 13:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh you're back

Nice to see you back here, Andy!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been away! :) Andy F (talk) 09:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Postcodes

Hello, Thank you for the advice. The postcode error is just carelessness as I filled in the wrong one first. Best wishes.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!

Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I've just read your profile and saw that you wish to defend Cornwall's culture and maybe Cornish too so I guess that being from a minority helps you understand what's the situation of the other minorized languages and cultures and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm part of an association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! Thanks again, wishing you a great summer, take care! Keep on preserving your culture, country and language! Slán agat (sorry I don't know it in Cornish!). Capsot (talk) 15:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

GENUKI

Hello again, I suspect you could be on holiday as much little is going on here. Having edited Advent, Cornwall about a fortnight ago perhaps I should explain a little more. Your GENUKI source was part of a text that was so old the identifications of Domesday manors are in fact misleading. There are many problems with identifications as the Domesday name may represent something important in the Anglo-Saxon period which is only a hamlet today, also the records were created by people who only understood Latin and Norman French while the informants would know Cornish or Old English. The different parts of GENUKI would have a wide range of value as reliable / unreliable sources so some judgements are needed and perhaps more precise citations.

==Domesday=="The parish is mentioned in the Domesday Book as Tegleston or Helleston.< ref >:-GENUKI website; Advent; retrieved May 2010.</ ref >" Removed: this is very misleading. Helleston = Helston in Trigg (Helstone); Tegleston is now believed to be Treglasta. Thorn, C. et al. (1979) Cornwall. Chichester: Phillimore; entries 5,1,4 & 5. It is likely that Helston in Trigg included Advent but no-one really knows.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Writing about the church is also not always easy since ecclesiastical jargon will not always be understood by the reader but can be legally correct.What the clergy do has very little to do with management. You have done very well to get through all the upgrading of coverage of the settlements of Cornwall in such a short time. Best wishes.

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Hi, in reply to your message about my edits.. i am not in any way trying to vandalize wikkipedia, i just thought that some of the pictures made the places look a bit horrible so i just replaced them with nicer ones, all innocent i'm not doing it on purpose so i apologise! i have edited "Chorley, Lancashire" so have a look at that, jus to see how much of a vandal i am not (most of the pics are mine) again, sorry Karl1587 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl1587 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

About Karl1587

Hi! I was about to place a final warning on the above users talk page when I noted your messages to him. I subsequently followed back here to your talkpage and noted his reply above. There is actually more to his editing than meets the eye, try following his style, ie individual edits through the Chorley article as a prime example, noting that the two large blocks of editing by ANON IPs are 99.9% probable socks of his. I have added a message and warning to his talk page. I am now about to sift through the edits by his sock puppet :90.221.164.88, to do any required repairs. Richard Harvey (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately he has not learned and on Sept 3 he went to several articles and added his travel photos to the infoboxes which were not very representative of the cities nor did he attempt to find consensus. Mkdw^talk 20:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

St Endellion

Your change to St Endellion has resulted in lots of white space when the article is viewed in high resolution. I ask you to consider self reverting. Greenshed (talk) 10:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Greenshed, thanks for your message. I am viewing the St Endellion page at 1024 x 768. I don't easily have access to a higher resolution screen. Can you try viewing at 1024 x 768 and let me know how you see the page. I generally prefer to follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Images#Forced_left_justification regarding thiumbs and especially where, as in this case, right-justifying causes "islanding" of text at the most common resolutions. Personally I would prefer a deeper gutter of white than text squashed between images but I am not going to go all Stalinist about what is actually only a minor edit. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 19:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree with Andy that following Wikipedia:Images#Forced left justification and having white space is preferable to islanding text. Previously I viewed this in a widescreen resolution and the white space was at the bottom (before the nav boxes) which is fine, although now viewing the page in 1280x1024 (with no article changes in between) the white space is after the first section heading and before its text, as the coding says it should be (odd how originally it looked fine!) I'll try to force the images to display the white space at the bottom now (let me know if you think that's fine). Cheers Zangar (talk) 09:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Still at 1024 x 768 here Zangar and still looks fine to me. What about putting one of the images into the infobox using the piped 'static image=' parameter? Andy F (talk) 09:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

That's always an idea! I'll leave doing that for the moment (or feel free to do it yourself), as I think the high-res problem is now solved, but I'll see if Greenshed sees it fine. I'd be interested to see if the St Endellion article makes it onto the top 500 popular pages this month with Mr Cameron's daughter now! Zangar (talk) 09:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, Zangar, let's wait til Greenshed comments. Regarding the popularity of St Endellion, I have just linked to the article from David Cameron and from Samantha Cameron (who, incidentally, went to the same art school as me). Small world eh? Andy F (talk) 11:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Looking good now on 1680 x 1050. Thanks for the work. Greenshed (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

All sorted; everyone happy. Thanks, guys. Andy F (talk) 09:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yep, the St Endellion article is the 21st most popular page in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall for this month, after never even breaking into the top 500. Amazing what a baby's name can do for a village's popularity! Zangar (talk) 11:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Caerhays Castle

Hi Andy - As you suggested, I put Caerhays Castle on the list of new articles on WP:Cornwall, and I added 4 others. I also put the same 5 on the Project's DYK list. Let me know if you think any of them might not belong. Thanks, --Rosiestep (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Good work Rosie. They all seem wholly appropriate for both WP:Cornwall and as DYKs. Good to have you contributing to Project Cornwall. Best wishes, Andy F (talk) 08:38, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

List of civil parishes in Cornwall

Hi Andy, just to let you know List of civil parishes in Cornwall (pre-2009) has been merged into List of civil parishes in Cornwall, after a request from Skinsmoke. Unfortunately the result is that the List of civil parishes in Cornwall article is what it used to be before you overhauled it. I've asked the admin who implemented this to revert it here and then hopefully we can discuss the need for pre-2009 list after. Cheers Zangar (talk) 12:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to let you know again, the majority of discussions are now here: Talk:List of civil parishes in Cornwall#A recent history merge and here: User talk:Skinsmoke#List of civil parishes in Cornwall. Fancy collaborating on another upgrade? Cheers Zangar (talk) 22:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

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Another (if different) milestone

Hi Andy, today was my first day since 1966 when I was not attached to an educational institution. I've got what is eumpemistacally called "Gardening Leave" which I intend to fill with some worthwhile voluntary activities. Hence my question, do you know any comprehensive web based guides where I could start.Bashereyre (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2011 (UTC) PS I've put the same message on our other favourite site so just delete the one you see second.

Talk page stalker - have you found Do-it? They have a national database of volunteering opportunities. The Scout Association has lots of opportunities across the country, you can enquire here. Good luck! DuncanHill (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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