User talk:Andonic/Archive 26

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"why not"...

Reviewers, IP block exemptions, Rollbackers and Confirmed users

...Because they're all redundant and included in the sysop package* =) (It also causes a miscount - you're now double counted in the 5441 "total" figure listed at WP:ROLLBACK). –xeno^talk 14:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)*Except for something in IPBE which you probably don't need anyway and two rights in reviewer that aren't enabled here

My Pants

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/My_Pants_II Pigtuba (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Clock problems

Looks like your clock is 4 hours out for contributions, but accurate for timestamps (though they are substed into the page so that part would make sense). That IP's most recent contribution was actually 22:54. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 23:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Time.

No worries. Thanks for blocking him. Susfele (talk) 23:13, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your considered decision.

[1]. As it happened, I filed anANI report over the editor's behavior, it had gone on long enough, before I saw your protection. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Abd/Response to Verbal

Please blank this page. It was never used as evidence in an arbom case or RfC, and those are the only valid reasons for hosting a page such as this. Verbal chat 09:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I have replied. Please blank the page. Verbal chat 17:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

When I created these pages, I certainly thought I was "using them" as evidence. I put DRAFT on them because I was asking for corrections, and I revised my evidence many times in various ways. I asked for corrections, and part of "DRAFT" was to make it clear that, if there were errors, I'd correct them. There were none pointed out to me. Others kept revising their evidence during the case, and it became completely overwhelming, I basically gave up working on it, and let it go forward as-it-was. The page is blanked. There is nothing even possibly offensive on the current page. And there is nothing that anyone has specifically protested on the page in history. Verbal has been personally attacking me, now, over this page, calling me a "problem editor," reverting my required ANI notice with "Don't be an ass," etc. Something has gone dreadfully wrong; at the time of that case, he'd only been blocked once, but since then, he seems to have come unglued. If there is a problem with the page, he can let me know. I have a record of being civil and cooperative with people who were doing their darndest to get me banned. I must keep the record of the page as presented, people should be able to see what ArbComm saw, but I could add notes to it, I could conceal a problem section under another layer, I could use strikeout. But Verbal would probably have to talk to me about it. I don't understand why that apparently became impossible. I alsoreplied on Verbal Talk. --Abd(talk) 23:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Ken Harycki

Greetings. I noticed you protected this article due to the NPOV issues. However, I've noticed that several IPs have now taken to posting similar comments on Talk:Ken Harycki. I'm not sure how vigilant we are about talk pages. Should that also be protected? Or should we just let the comments stay? Thanks for your help. P. D. Cook ^{Talk to me!} 03:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Copy of my post on Pdcook's talkpage, added 15:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)) Unless the IP edits are vandalism or simply clearly not trying to help, I would say they should be allowed. I notice the page was already protected though, so I guess BLP enforcement has changed since I was active a couple of years ago. I'll default on Barek's judgement on this one, even if I don't entirely agree. Cheers, ·Andonic ^Contact 07:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

If any admin ever disagrees with my judgment, I have no objection to any protection/block/etc that I may have done being reverted (a note about the revert on my talk page is sufficient, just so I'm aware).

In this case, my main issue was the appearance of excessive IP sock-puppetry and the fact that the edits appeared to be pointy due to the article itself being protected - seemed to be nothing more than the continuation of the edit war of BLP content from the article to the talk page. Still, I hate even semi-protecting talk pages, so I only did it for 24 hours ... in hind-site, 3 or 6 may have been sufficient to discourage the abuse of the talk page. --- Barek (talk •contribs) - 15:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. Ultimately we were probably better off without them commenting anyway, not to be cold or anything but they were extremely biased. · Andonic ^Contact 15:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The censure of posts on a clearly political article, created by a current candidate, referencing his campaign website, is simply nonsense. You should be ashamed of your "abuse of power".--173.141.251.40 (talk) 22:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Afraid to say I'm not ashamed. · Andonic ^Contact 14:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Protecting templates

Hello! Just a friendly FYI, when you protect a template, please remember to wrap the<noinclude> tags around it, like I did here. As is, the protection template has now been transcluded as well, causing Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates to fill up. :) Since I fixed the template above, the job queue will eventually clear it out, so no worries there. Thanks, and keep up the great work!^Avic_ennasis @ 05:37, 13 Elul 5770 / 23 August 2010 (UTC)

IPs

Thanks. Well, situation is next: fact that Duško Vujošević is Montenegrin coach stood very long until i found in an interview that he says he is citizen of Serbia, not Montenegro, so I corrected the fact. Somebody can't live with that and he was trying to remove referenced claim from article on Vujošević. Now, he is changing flags that stand near Vujošević's name (from Serbian into Montenegrin). If flags denotes citizenship, his actions can only mean deliberate distorting of facts. -- Bojan  Talk  08:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. He has returned. Article history look terrible with such reverts. Maybe longer semi-protection (a month) is needed? -- Bojan  Talk  14:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

No, no, he alters three pages: Montenegrin national basketball team, PBC CSKA Moscow and Template:PBC CSKA Moscow. Perhaps flagged revisions with note to reviewers are solution for the problem? My Wikipedi hasn't yet introduced this feature, I don't have experience with this. -- Bojan  Talk  14:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Btw, I migrated part of article Montenegrin NBT into Template:Montenegrin National Basketball Team roster.-- Bojan  Talk  16:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

He is persistent. He will revert as soon as protection expires. -- Bojan  Talk  20:53, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Not. That is all for now. Thanks. -- Bojan  Talk  03:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: User talk:221.120.226.42.

Replied on my talk page. Thanks! — Xcalizorz (talk) 08:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Feel like blocking an admitted sock of an indeffed editor?

If you wouldn't mind taking a lookhere, RewlandUmmer admitted, after dragging things out a bit, that he is indeffed user Barryispuzzled. A block would be greatly appreciated. ThanksThrowaway85 (talk) 12:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

And a block we gave him. Good work! Spent a lot of time rattling on about his grievances that one! No matter. Hang the devil, I say! The squeal at the end is the most pleasurable bit. That's when we all get to pat each other on the back at a fine piece of old-fashioned lynching! FranceIsHog (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Quack. Throwaway85 (talk) 11:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Socks

Could you also protect List of weather records, which has the same sock? Bidgee (talk) 08:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice Work!

We need more people like you upholding the standards of Wiki! Blocking that serial sockpuppeteer RuelandHummer was a timely intervention. He seemed to spend a lot of time giving out his grievances but who cares, surely it's the rules that matter! I'm all for a public hanging and watching the victim squeal at the end is definitely the best bit. That's when we get the greatest sense of unity at a job well done!FranceIsHog (talk) 11:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom evidence pages held in user space

Hi Andonic... I thought you might be interested to know that ArbCom is taking an increasingly negative view of evidence pages stored in user space. In the recent Race and Intelligence case theypasseed a motion relating to these sorts of pages. Note the comments of arbitrators Cool Hand Luke and Roger Davies explicitly wishing a harder line had been taken in the past. Looking at the talk page of the proposed decision, you'll find several places where editors were encouraged to delete such pages themselves. I suspect pages like this may well be banned by ArbCom in the future. I realise that none of this means Abd's page must go, but I thought it relevant to point out ArbCom's recent thoughts. Regards, EdChem (talk) 13:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Ed. What ArbComm is doing is looking at providing different means for editors who need to present more evidence than will fit in the suggested limit. I could have created my pages in ArbComm space, presumably, but simply did it in user space, and nothing else was suggested. It's not clear what effect a "harder line" in the past would have had, but please do consider this: there were many editors presenting evidence of alleged misbehavior on my part, each with the same section limit as myself. One of the deficiencies in the process is that I had no idea what of this would be credible to ArbComm and what would not. Hence I answered just about all of it. And to answer charges typically takes more words than to make them. It was part of what made the case overwhelming for me. That I responded so much, possibly, caused ArbComm to discount all of it, I can't tell. I don't know what they read and what they didn't. But ... I did follow what was allowed practice at the time, and the clerks did not complain. --Abd (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

This now seems clear, please delete the page. (and the others while you're about it). Verbal chat 18:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Race (classification of humans)

Why did you protect the article? All that was required was semi-protection to block disruptive anonymous IPs. We were making slow, steady, and largely uncontroversial progress. Please change to semi-protection. Thanks! PЄTЄRS JVЄСRUМВА ►TALK 04:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the update and your note! (If we continue to have anon disruption we can think about semi-protection.) Best,PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВА ►TALK 13:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:WWF SmackDown! 2: Know Your Role

You revert and warn on the page Talk:WWF SmackDown! 2: Know Your Role was incorrect. The edit summary by Kennedy stated that he was archiving it. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 02:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your nice apology note I appreciate that. Kennedy ,007--Kennedy, 007 (talk) 02:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

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Louise Gerrish

Please undelete this article, which you speedied recently. I had previously objected to the speedy deletion of the article, which included not only a clear claim of significance, but a reaonable assertion of notability as a twice-bronze medalist in national AAU competition.Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Freeview Vandalism

I disagree with your protection of the Freeview (Australia) article because of excessive vandalism. Wikipedia defines that: "Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia ... Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism ... edits/reverts over a content dispute are never vandalism ...". The blanking of the channel section (if that's what you are referring to as vandalism) was not vandalism because there was good reasoning for it, and an explanation is on the talk page.124.168.229.213 (talk) 01:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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Dancing mania

Greetings! I note that you are the 3rd highest contributor to this article. As such, I'd appreciate your feedback on it atFAC. Cheers, Aiken (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I've decided to withdraw it, but if you still want to copyedit it, that would be great. Thanks Aiken(talk) 23:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

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Stephen Gammell

I appreciate the protection, many thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 13:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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another one

Hi, you did say to ask , this is another article in need of pending protection,Patrice Oneal gets some nasty unconfirmed additions that are sitting in the article too long, pending will attract watchers and keep the attacking content out of public view, sexual claims and suchlike. Off2riorob (talk) 01:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

No worries, did you see the vandal edits? Semi protection ? Off2riorob (talk) 01:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, perhaps its late and I didn't see the dates , thanks for looking. Off2riorob (talk) 02:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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Protection of Amazon Rainforest

Hey, this article has been protected since June 2008, is it worth giving unprotection a try? -- Eraserhead1<talk> 23:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject Video games Triple Crown

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Service award level

There has been a major revision of the the Service Awards: the edit requirements for the higher levels have been greatly reduced, to make them reasonably attainable.

Because of this, your Service Award level has been changed, and you are now eligible for a higher level. I have taken the liberty of updating your award on your user page.

Herostratus (talk) 05:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Acutally, I didn't update your award. I can't, as you have that page under full protection. But you are eligible for the next higher level. Herostratus (talk) 05:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit War

Hi. Can you please pay attention to here (edit history)? Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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Article on "Approach Chords" in Music

We have interacted once before in 2008 regarding an edit of mine to an article re music. I am fairly certain that there is an error in the article on APPROACH CHORDS but I am nervous about making the edit as it may affect links and such and I have not ever done that before.

The error is that FMAJ7 is referred to as the dominant (approach chord) resolving to the tonic CMAJ7. But in the key of C (tonic being C) F is the subdominant (G being the dominant) . . . and thus FMAJ7 should be referred to as the subdominant.

Is this a change YOU would make on behalf of the article, or am I being an edit wimp?

Thanks ever so . . .

Oh, and by the way, in your "truth about me" tab at the top, I believe you have written "hear" when you men "here".

Beofluff (talk) 06:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hey

Haha, indeed. It's been a while. I'll log onto my account every so often to see what's going on around here, but almost all of the familiar faces from years past are gone. I don't edit nearly as often anymore, but it's nice to know not everyone has abandoned the project.   JJ (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the motivation for me to edit is almost entirely gone; I suppose I've just moved on. I like the nostalgic feeling of returning now and again, but I'm sure we've all changed in one way or another over the past few years :)   JJ (talk) 03:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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MSU Interview

Dear Andonic,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 04:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)