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Hi, Kai! Can you please add John A Rogers, a scientist from Northwestern to the Notable people page for Rolla MO? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.42.206 (talk) 10:39, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes Akamaikai (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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Please place the access-date inside {{cite web}} and do not leave spaces between the source and the start of the ref tag. SounderBruce 05:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok Akamaikai (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

The latest batch has the same problem. Please correct them. SounderBruce 03:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Ah I see what you mean with the access date I will fix that. I have made sure to leave out spaces though. Akamaikai (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Update: So far I have fixed 43 of them Akamaikai (talk) 14:16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Update #2: Fixed retrieve dates going back 3 months so far Akamaikai (talk) 16:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I meant 3 weeks. Akamaikai (talk) 00:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Climax, Colorado

You ask why I reverted your edit to Climax, Colorado. It was a change of numbers, with no justification, no reference.

dino (talk) 12:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I put my sources in there. It was just an update of the table. Akamaikai (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I redid it with more references in the description. Akamaikai (talk) 02:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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Mammoth Lakes weather data fails verification?

I went to double-check the weather data that you've added to Mammoth Lakes, California. I cannot find any data about Mammoth in reference 18. Where did you find that data? — hike395 (talk) 07:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

NOWData is a common reference for climate tables and it is used in almost every single one. The NWS unfortunately wasn't smart enough to make specific links for each station, so the entirety of each NWS Forecast area is covered by a single link. To find the data for a station (specifically Mammoth Lakes) would normally just require looking through the table, but for Mammoth Lake you have to go to the map (click View Map), get more stations (click show more stations) and find Mammoth Lakes on the map. I used NOWData for the records, which you can find by going to monthly summarized data, using "por" (period of record) for the start and end year date, and choosing maximum temperature as the variable with daily maximum as the summary for record highs, and choosing minimum temperature as the variable and daily minimum as the summary for record lows. For the mean maxima and minima, I took the max and min temperatures values for each month from 1991-2020 and calculated the average for all of them (this can be easily done by copy pasting it into an Excel spreadsheet and using the average function). For the snow, snow days, snow depth, and precipitation days, I did the same thing but with different year ranges because the period of record for those is different. Akamaikai (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I had missed the "Show more stations" button. The data is now verified. I changed the table to show the data as displayed at the NWS site -- I worry that extracting more significant figures from their raw data could be considered to be original research. — hike395 (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

A majority of mean maxima and minima data for hundreds (maybe thousands) of climate tables on Wikipedia come from people calculating the mean themselves, so I think the significant figures are OK. Akamaikai (talk) 16:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Edits to Richland, Washington and Tri-Cities, Washington

Hello!

I noticed your edits today to the noted pages and wanted to let you know that I made some adjustments. KRLD in Richland, one of the Tri-Cities, did record a high of 118 on June 29 while the Tri-Cities Airport which is in Pasco (KPSC) only did 115. I returned the 118 values to the prose but didn't touch the infoboxes (and climate infoboxes referring to the Tri-Cities Airport should not show 118 anyway). I also added relevant citations. Please remember to check citations before removing material.

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Sonora Pass weather?

Hello Akamaikai! When I was verifying the climate data at Sonora Pass, I could only find precipitation data for that station in NOWdata. Am I missing something? — hike395 (talk) 17:26, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I just looked on there and it has the temperature data. Are you sure it's the right station? Akamaikai (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Akamaikai: In addition, Sonora Pass has 4 months with an average temperature greater than 10 degrees Celsius, which should be Dsb instead of Dsc. Fumikas Sagisavas (talk) 14:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Picking this back up: I double-checked, and yes, I was looking at the station named SONORA PASS. When I ask for temperature data, it says "no data available". An IP editor has added more data to the climate table without sources. I was going to revert back to a "known good" version, but I cannot verify your version. Where did the temperature data come from? — hike395 (talk) 08:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Try https://xmacis.rcc-acis.org/

That's where I get the data from. Sonora Pass is a SNOTEL station so it has temperature, precipitation, and snow depth. Akamaikai (talk) 16:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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	Thank you for your hard work updating the climate data on so many US city articles. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for adding a Weather Box to Gardner, Kansas!

Do you take requests for adding weather box to other articles? Could you add a weather box to county seats Newton, Kansas and Marion, Kansas articles? It is fine if you say no!

For a long term goal, it would be nice for all of the county seats of Kansas to have a weather box. I know some of them have it, such as Wichita / Hutchinson / Salina / Lincoln, but I haven't ever counted the number of county seats that don't have it. It is fine if you say no, because I know this is a lot of work!!

Thanks in advance. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 02:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I guess I do take requests but no one's ever really requested anything lol. I did Newton and Marion, fixed Lincoln, and did the county seats of Allen through Barton County. Thanksgiving Break is this week so I probably won't be able to get much done until next Monday, but I'll probably finish it all on that day. Akamaikai (talk) 07:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!! • Sbmeirow • Talk • 07:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok I finished them but the following don't have sufficient weather data to create weatherboxes:

Gove City, KS (Gove County)

Oswego, KS (Labette County)

Dighton, KS (Lane County)

Seneca, KS (Nemaha County)

Erie, KS (Neosho County)

Lyndon, KS (Osage County)

Osborne, KS (Osborne County)

Westmoreland, KS (Pottawatomie County)

Lyons, KS (Rice County)

Stockton, KS (Rooks County)

La Crosse, KS (Rush County)

St. John, KS (Stafford County)

Johnson City, KS (Stanton County)

Alma, KS (Wabaunsee County) Akamaikai (talk) 18:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for all other Kansas article improvements!! • Sbmeirow • Talk • 07:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Climate data

Why are you randomly changing climate data at Johnson City, Texas and Centerville, Texas? Magnolia677 (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

It's not random. They both set new monthly record highs this month. Akamaikai (talk) 14:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

The sources you cited are from 2022 and 2023. You need to update the source, or other editors will question your edit. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

The source used is the same source. Monthly temperature records get updated all the time without the source changing. Akamaikai (talk) 15:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Please take a moment to read WP:CS, and update the access dates, lest you waste other editor's time. Thanks for your understanding. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Source of Sierraville climate data?

Editors have added unsourced data to the climate table in Sierraville, California. Just like Sonora Pass (above), I wanted to revert to the last known good table. In this edit, you created a climate table from XMACIS2. There is a SIERRAVILLE RS weather station in ACIS, but like Sonora Pass, it appears to only have precipitation. Where did all of the other rows come from?

I've started to cleanup a large number of California climate tables that don't appear to be well-sourced. One source that always works is PRISM, because it spatially interpolates down to 800-meter resolution and provides 1991-2020 normals. However, it only has min/mean/max temperature and precipitation normals: it doesn't have extremes or snow. If you have a better source of extremes+snow data for places like Sierraville or Sonora Pass, I would love to learn about it. — hike395 (talk) 08:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The Sierraville RS has temperature data.

https://xmacis.rcc-acis.org/ Akamaikai (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you more: under "Daily/Monthly Normals" I only see precipitation. Were you looking at "Monthly Summarized Data"? — hike395 (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I've figured out what you are doing. If you ask XMACIS for "Monthly Summarized Data" and then ask for a table of "Precipitation" "Sum", and then restrict the years to 1991-2020, and look at the mean of the table at the bottom, you get the row of precipitation that is currently in the table at Sierraville, California.

But notice this does not match the 1991-2020 precipitation normals provided by XMACIS if you ask for "Daily/Monthly Normals". The annual sum of the precipitation row in the table in the article is 22.32 inches, while the annual precipitation normal is 27.65 inches: a 24% difference. The discrepancy is explained by the NCEI page describing climate normals, under the "About" tab. Climate normals are not simply averages across years, but appear to have a more careful curation.

The way that the data is labeled in the climate table is not quite right: these aren't climate normals, but averages. That doesn't mean it's wrong, but it can be confusing for our readers.

There are a couple of alternative actions we can take:

1. We can change the wording of "climate normals" to say something like "weather averages" and describe the computation in the footnote for XMACIS.
2. We can drop anything that isn't an officially computed "climate normal" (because we are not doing the curation correctly).

I suspect we need more than two editors deciding which path to take. Should we bring this up at WT:WikiProject Weather? — hike395 (talk) 17:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes I go to Monthly Summarized Data for temperature. I think just saying "1991–2020 averages" instead of "1991–2020 normals" would suffice, but feel free to bring it up to others. Akamaikai (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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